[06:05] <superfly> Morning Kilos!
[06:06] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:06] <Kilos> hi all
[06:30] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn kbmonkey 
[06:31] <nlsthzn> Alo Uncle Kilos :)
[06:33] <kbmonkey> hello :)
[06:35] <nuvolari> o/ mornings everyone
[06:35] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[06:37] <nlsthzn> Hey kbmonkey ... good to see you on IRC again (or am I just on to little myself?)
[06:37] <nlsthzn> alo nuvolari :)
[06:38] <kbmonkey> :)
[06:46] <kbmonkey> nothing much new to report im afraid
[06:47]  * superfly is killing the mail server at work again
[06:47] <kbmonkey> have some boxes to pack and from next week i'll be without my desktop for a month+. eeek
[06:47] <superfly> pretty easy to do though... it is exchange after all
[06:47] <superfly> kbmonkey: get a netbook ;-)
[06:47] <kbmonkey> exchange gives me nightmares! ha ha
[06:47] <kbmonkey> i have a netbook. im so happy i have it! :D
[08:19] <oomkoos> good morning everyone
[08:19] <Kilos> hi oomkoos 
[08:20] <oomkoos> hi Kilos, thanks for the help the other day. managed to sort everything out about halfway through that webpage
[08:21] <Kilos> yay so is everything working now
[08:21] <superfly> hi oomkoos
[08:21] <oomkoos> hi superfly
[08:21] <oomkoos> yeah finally lol
[08:22] <superfly> oomkoos: You run that youth camp thingie?
[08:22] <Kilos> lol. did you find what was causing the problem
[08:22]  * superfly can't remember exactly what it was
[08:22] <Kilos> wasnt that langjan superfly 
[08:22] <superfly> Kilos: oh, is that langjan...
[08:22] <oomkoos> wasnt me lol
[08:22]  * superfly is feeling like a blur at the moment
[08:23] <Kilos> yeah
[08:23] <Kilos> blur as in going too fast?
[08:23] <superfly> yes, and not well defined
[08:23] <Kilos> watch out for speed wobbles
[08:23] <Kilos> bikers call it tank slappers
[08:24] <Kilos> oomkoos, i happy you got it sorted
[08:24] <oomkoos> me too. thanks again for all the help and patience
[08:24] <Kilos> actually thought you had done a reinstall
[08:25] <Kilos> you are welcome. glad to be able to help
[08:27] <oomkoos> really didnt want to reinstall so I rather suffered and endured till it was fixed lol
[08:27] <Kilos> lol
[09:22] <kbmonkey> catch you all later, have a good day everyone :]
[09:22] <Kilos> cheers kbmonkey go well
[09:22] <superfly> toodles kbmonkey
[09:26]  * kbmonkey gives bananas to everyone 
[09:26] <Kilos> lol you are the monkey man
[09:44] <inetpro> fp
[09:45] <inetpro> good morning everyone
[09:45] <Kilos> hi there inetpro 
[09:45] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe gaanit?
[09:45] <Kilos> goed dankie en daar inetpro 
[09:46] <inetpro> Kilos: ook goed dankie, die horlosie loop net so bietjie stadig vandag
[09:46] <Kilos> lol
[09:46]  * inetpro word al honger en die klok is nog nie bo nie
[09:47] <Kilos> amper
[09:47]  * nuvolari moet nog 13min wag :'(
[09:47] <nuvolari> torture
[09:47] <Kilos> lol
[09:47] <nuvolari> lunch smells great
[09:48] <Kilos> savour the smell and the food tastes even better when you get to it
[09:57]  * nuvolari kap om van honger
[10:02] <magespawn> howdy all
[10:03] <magespawn> superfly you around?
[10:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:05] <magespawn> hi kilos
[10:18]  * andrewlsd waves
[10:33] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn, sorry, I was out to lunch
[10:33] <Maaz> superfly: I don't know who magespawn, is. Say 'magespawn, on freenode' and I'll take your word that magespawn, exists
[10:33] <superfly> Maaz: tell magespawn sorry, I was out to lunch
[10:33] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell magespawn on freenode
[10:49] <nlsthzn> Hey... so I got bumped to mod over at the Ubuntu Forums... and as such I will be applying for Ubuntu Membership... so as I don't like to do this (and will only do so once) if anybody would like to leave me a testimonial you can do so here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nlsthzn or here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846551 ... kthxbai :p
[10:53] <superfly> hey nlsthzn
[10:53] <nlsthzn> Hallo superfly :)
[10:54] <superfly> nlsthzn: I'll have a look at home this evening - really busy at work at the moment
[10:56] <nlsthzn> superfly, no prob... and thanks... would be much appreciated!
[15:40] <nlsthzn> what time is the meeting tonight?
[15:41] <marcog> nlsthzn: usually 19:30
[15:42] <nlsthzn> marcog, thanks... a bit late for me tonight.... got day shift tomorrow... oh well
[15:42]  * marcog shall be out and i believe so will tumbleweed 
[15:43] <kbmonkey> greets
[15:44] <kbmonkey> hi superfly and nuvolari and anyone else. any chance someone could chair the meet later?
[15:44] <marcog> 17:42 < nlsthzn> marcog, thanks... a bit late for me tonight.... got day shift  tomorrow... oh well
[15:45] <marcog> also 17:42  * marcog shall be out and i believe so will tumbleweed 
[15:46] <kbmonkey> thanks marcog. see I just missed that convo
[15:54] <kbmonkey> apologies if anybody does join to meet later. will bbl around 8pm (hopefully)
[16:02] <superfly> 19:30, right?
[16:04] <nlsthzn> np it happens :)
[16:14] <Kilos> evening all. i see we have a meeting tonight
[16:14] <nlsthzn> Had
[16:15] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[16:15]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[16:15] <Kilos> aw
[16:15] <nlsthzn> It has been canceled
[16:15] <Kilos> aw
[16:15] <nlsthzn> maybe tomorrow night
[16:15] <Kilos> reason nlsthzn 
[16:15] <nlsthzn> nobody to chair apparently
[16:15] <Kilos> ah i see next mail
[16:15] <Kilos> no chair
[16:17] <nlsthzn> :)
[16:18] <Kilos> lol
[16:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[16:19] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[16:19] <Maaz> Enjoy Kilos
[16:36] <nlsthzn> Night all in ZA land
[16:39] <nuvolari> o/ g'evening
[16:39]  * nuvolari wipes the sweat away
[16:39] <nuvolari> lo from a hot KZN
[16:40] <nuvolari> boy, time to make food
[16:41] <nuvolari> not feeling too bright... I forgot the fridge door open this morning :P
[16:49] <Squirm> it's cold here
[17:09] <Symmetria> wtf
[17:10] <Symmetria> someone gimme a linux command to force a hard reboot of a machine
[17:10] <Symmetria> when shutdown and reboot no longer work properly
[17:11] <Symmetria> heh
[17:11] <Symmetria> found a way to do it
[17:11] <Symmetria> root@tenet-bree-2:/var/run# echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
[17:11] <Symmetria> root@tenet-bree-2:/var/run# echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
[17:11] <Symmetria> way to beat my machine into submission
[17:11] <Symmetria> :p
[17:12] <Squirm> Symmetria: http://www.linux-geex.com/?p=259
[17:12] <Squirm> oh
[17:12] <Squirm> lol, got there too :P
[17:13] <Symmetria> if this box boots up I will fall off my chair 
[17:14] <Symmetria> root@tenet-bree-2:/var/run# uptime
[17:14] <Symmetria>  19:10:07 up 985 days,  2:10,  6 users,  load average: 8.79, 6.57, 4.88
[17:14] <Symmetria> ^^^ that was before reboot
[17:14] <Symmetria> :p
[17:14] <Squirm> ...wow
[17:14] <Symmetria> LOL its still not on the top of the list
[17:14] <Symmetria>   7:15pm  up 1266 day(s), 17:52,  2 users,  load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.05
[17:15] <Symmetria>  7:15PM  up 1117 days,  9:34, 1 user, load averages: 0.14, 0.04, 0.01
[17:15] <Symmetria> heh, the first one is solaris :P the second one is fbsd 
[17:15] <Squirm> 0o
[17:52] <magespawn> evening all
[17:52] <nuvolari> hello
[17:53] <nuvolari> hmm, I guess the meeting is not happening?
[17:53] <Kilos> tomorrow maybe
[17:53] <nuvolari> naand oom Kilos! 
[17:53] <Kilos> dont you get lists mail
[17:53] <Kilos> naand seun
[17:54] <Kilos> môre aand
[17:54] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit met oom?
[17:54] <nuvolari> meh, was 'n lang dag
[17:54] <Kilos> goed dankie en jy
[17:54] <magespawn> there is a meeting?
[17:55] <Kilos> tomorrow night magespawn 
[17:55] <Kilos> no chair for tonight
[17:55] <Kilos> so everyone would have to stand
[17:55] <inetpro> Kilos: but you can chair
[17:56] <Kilos> tomorrow night the monkey will be here
[17:56] <magespawn> Kilos for chair. I second that.
[17:56]  * inetpro thinks Kilos would be a good chairman
[17:57] <Kilos> and anyone that chairs needs maia's help
[17:57] <inetpro> Kilos: maia bee bee can still take the summary and post it as usual
[17:57] <Kilos> now you guys are pushing
[17:57] <inetpro> maia the bee
[17:57] <Kilos> too much to learn in too little time
[17:58] <Kilos> see even maia isnt here
[17:58] <inetpro> Kilos: you know better than most how to drive the bot
[17:59] <Kilos> no
[17:59] <inetpro> Kilos: it really is quite simple
[17:59] <Kilos> its new stuff to learn about remember and all that
[17:59] <magespawn> i am sure you know more than me.
[17:59] <Kilos> do you know how inetpro 
[18:00] <Kilos> i cant even get the bot to find the weather in pretoria
[18:01] <magespawn> hah. when i want the weather i go outside.
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01]  * Kilos loved that little town
[18:02] <magespawn> i just found out that you can leave messages for ppl with Maaz
[18:02] <Kilos> if i remember right its the 7th most healthy place in the world
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: all we need to organise is the permissions so Maaz will not complain at you when you talk to him
[18:02] <Kilos> yes you 'tell' him
[18:03] <magespawn> not so sure about that now
[18:03] <Kilos> are there factories polluting the place now
[18:04] <Kilos> and used to rain most afternoons for few mins
[18:04] <Kilos> yes inetpro but there all the things to tell him to remember and make note of etc
[18:05] <inetpro> Maaz: help meeting
[18:05] <Maaz> inetpro: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this:
[18:05] <Maaz>   (start | end) meeting [about <title>]
[18:05] <Maaz>   I am <True Name>
[18:05] <Maaz>   topic <topic>
[18:05] <Maaz>   (agreed | idea | accepted | rejected) <statement>
[18:05] <Maaz>   minutes so far
[18:05] <Maaz>   meeting title is <title>
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: it really is as simple as that ^^
[18:05] <magespawn> lots of ground pollution. litter and such. just needs a good waste program to be run properly.
[18:06] <Kilos> lol nee man there is more to it than that
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: nope
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: ok, what you are perhaps thinking of is the agenda
[18:07] <inetpro> the agenda is something which is on a separate page
[18:07] <Kilos> ya all of that and where it is and all the links etc
[18:07] <Kilos> dis baie vir n platkop
[18:08] <Kilos> superfly, help
[18:08] <Kilos> tell them to stop
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: as the chair you simply follow the agenda and tell Maaz to change the topic as you go along
[18:08] <Kilos> lmga
[18:08] <magespawn> is there a way to run a gui as root, eg zenmap?
[18:09] <Kilos> you chair next one and i will copy paste everything and see how far i get
[18:09] <superfly> Kilos: what's up?
[18:09] <superfly> ohi magespawn
[18:09] <Kilos> ^^^
[18:09] <magespawn> hi superfly
[18:09] <Kilos> they wanna stress me
[18:10] <inetpro> BTW, good evening everyone :-)
[18:10] <superfly> hi inetpro
[18:10] <Kilos> hiya inetpro welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:10] <magespawn> good evening inetpro lol
[18:10] <Squirm> Symmetria: uptime
[18:10] <Squirm>  14:10:15 up 119 days,  3:52,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.06
[18:10] <Squirm> im catching you :P
[18:11] <magespawn> is there a way to run a gui as root, eg zenmap?
[18:11] <superfly> magespawn: sudo startx
[18:11] <Squirm> cant you just sudo the ap ?
[18:11] <Squirm> sudo zenmap
[18:12] <inetpro> magespawn: what is zenmap?
[18:12] <magespawn> gui for nmap
[18:12] <Squirm> I think sudo zenmap should work
[18:12] <inetpro> hmm... why would anyone want a gui for nmap?
[18:14] <superfly> magespawn: oh, you already have Gnome/KDE and now you want to run an app as root in your existing desktop session?
[18:17] <inetpro> magespawn: just don't try running that in a corporate environment or you may just land up in trouble
[18:17] <inetpro> hmm... he ran off already?
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <magespawn> back again like a boomarang or a cold
[18:19] <Kilos> hehe
 magespawn: just don't try running that in a corporate environment or you may just land up in trouble
 magespawn: oh, you already have Gnome/KDE and now you want to run an app as root in your existing desktop session?
[18:21] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[18:21] <magespawn> yes
[18:21] <superfly> magespawn: which desktop are you using?
[18:21] <magespawn> i also have aircrack on my N900
[18:22] <magespawn> gnome on lucid
[18:22] <superfly> gksudo zenmap
[18:24] <magespawn> that just runs it in the terminal
[18:25] <superfly> magespawn: terminal, whatever
[18:25] <superfly> try running any gui app "in the terminal" and it pops up on your desktop
[18:26] <superfly> gksu or gksudo (can't remember which one it is) is a GUI version of sudo
[18:28] <inetpro> superfly: the package is gksu and the command is gksudo IIRC
[18:28] <magespawn> what i would like is click the menu item zenmap to have it give me the option to put in my sudo password instead of just telling me that it needs root to run properly
[18:29] <magespawn> if i sudo zenmap it also works
[18:29] <inetpro> magespawn: seriously, why would you want a gui for nmap?
[18:30] <magespawn> just learning to use it the gui has the commands in it so i can learn them
[18:30] <superfly> magespawn: I don't get you... just create a menu entry! or is Gnome so retarded (which is not too difficult to believe) that they've made is so user friendly you can't even create or edit menu items?
[18:30] <inetpro> magespawn: you won't learn it that way
[18:31] <superfly> magespawn: though I agree with inetpro... if you are going to learn a sysadmin tool, you need to use the CLI version
[18:31] <superfly> GUI's don't teach you anything
[18:31]  * nuvolari <3 cli
[18:31] <inetpro> nmap is a powerful command and dangerous as well in the wrong hands
[18:32] <inetpro> if you are serious about using it then you want to learn to use it properly and with proper authority
[18:34] <magespawn> okay there looked like a lot of options when i had look. where should i start?
[18:35] <inetpro> magespawn: man nmap
[18:35] <superfly> magespawn: also, one usually uses nmap with a particular task or goal in mind, so what do you want to use it for?
[18:36] <inetpro> magespawn: read the stuff on FIREWALL/IDS EVASION AND SPOOFING
[18:37] <inetpro> companies are increasingly monitoring traffic with intrusion detection systems (IDS). All of the major IDSs ship with rules designed to detect Nmap scans because scans are sometimes a precursor to attacks.....
[18:37] <magespawn> i was looking into setting my own server behind a router and forwarding port 80 to the server so i can access a website on it
[18:38] <superfly> magespawn: why?
[18:39] <magespawn> just to learn how? if that is a valid reason
[18:40] <magespawn> tell you what in the next couple of days i will put up a post on my blog for you guys to read detailing my ideas
[18:42] <magespawn> i installed ubuntu server and was fascinated by the possibilities. 
[18:42] <inetpro> magespawn: just make sure you know the ect act before you go about scanning stuff outside of your own network
[18:42] <superfly> magespawn: I mean why do you want to host your website on your ADSL line? it'll be horribly slow
[18:42] <magespawn> this is after much reading on the net.
[18:42] <superfly> magespawn: http://blog.saturnlaboratories.co.za/archive/2007/01/01/howto-ubuntu-home-lan-server
[18:43] <magespawn> this site would be for me to practice on
[18:43] <magespawn> ty
[18:44] <magespawn> none of this would happen outside of my network.
[18:44] <magespawn> i am not a criminal.
[18:44] <magespawn> at least not yet.
[18:44] <Kilos> lol
[18:45] <superfly> magespawn: first get your home network running with DHCP, DNS and routing all your HTTP traffic via squid
[18:46] <magespawn> well being a criminal is sometimes a poinf of view
[18:46] <magespawn> have the dhcp set up. still need to do some work on the dns and routing side.
[18:46] <inetpro> magespawn: hmm... I didn't mean to make you feel like a criminal :-)
[18:47] <magespawn> but read the blog later on. then you can have a good laugh and tell me what i am doing wrong.
[18:48] <magespawn> not at all. but i saw the potential for tools like nmap and aircrack-ng to be abused.
[18:50] <inetpro> magespawn: I just don't want anyone on #ubuntu-za to land up in jail for abusing the power in your hands
[18:50] <magespawn> if you know how the tools work then you are a little bit closer in guarding against attacks
[18:51] <magespawn> i take that upon myself anyway
[18:51] <magespawn> bit like driving a car or owning a gun
[18:55] <Kilos> night all of you. sleep tight
[18:55] <Kilos> be good
[18:55] <magespawn> night kilos
[18:58] <magespawn> superfly some would take  'home network' to mean the one at home.
[18:59] <superfly> magespawn: well, that's what I have... 2 PC's, 2 phones, and 2 servers
[18:59] <superfly> at home
[18:59] <magespawn> this is the one at my internet cafe.
[18:59] <superfly> right
[19:02] <magespawn> i am also starting in on web design and maybe at some point develolpment but who knows?
[19:03] <magespawn> picked up a book about python. busy working my way through that.
[19:28] <inetpro> bye mag[tab]
[19:29] <magespawn> back again
[19:29] <inetpro> magespawn: wb
[19:33] <magespawn> now i am off to bed for real. night all.
[20:03] <nuvolari> bedtime
[20:03] <nuvolari> o/
[20:03] <nuvolari> night