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patricehi03:20
patricei have a problem with alacarte03:22
patriceit's full of bugs03:22
mikodoI have Xubuntu installed on top of Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone know how to have the Compiz Fusion Icon persist over reboots; and not have to always either click or unclick the Loose Binding or Indirect Binding to allow for the Negative Settings in CompizConfig Settings Manager to work?07:00
mikodobedtime --goodnight07:18
cYmenHow do I get a list of the fonts availabe for xterm?09:08
cYmenSomehow the VT Fonts right-click menu doesn't work for me.09:09
well_laid_lawncYmen: there;s xfontsel09:18
well_laid_lawns/;/'/09:18
SoundHelphow would i change my default playback device? i can hear sound from teamspeak on my usb headset, but not sound from chrome10:51
knometry installing pavucontrol10:52
SoundHelphaha, thank you :)10:54
knomenp10:54
sivikhey all11:05
sivikHow do I control different volume for different applications?11:05
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skcudAnyone around? I need some help urgently.16:36
pleia2!ask16:37
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)16:37
skcudI installed xubuntu two days back, everything was installed, configured well and today I didn't start up16:38
pleia2does the machine not start, or does it start and give an error?16:39
Guest68197I bet it's xfcesession16:39
skcudNop, no errors. I'm running xubuntu 11.04?16:39
skcudI've been using ubuntu until this month and nothing like this occurred.16:40
pleia2what about it "doesn't start"? does the machine start up? does the login screen appear? will it just not load the desktop?16:40
skcudThe machine starts up. it doesn't go beyond the splash screen16:40
skcudI'm currently on the live cd16:41
Guest68197so it's the desktop, can u log on tty ?16:41
skcudnop16:41
charlie-tcadrive fsck?16:41
charlie-tcaWe did not have any notices for that in 11.04, but they still run.16:42
charlie-tcaHow long did you let it go?16:42
charlie-tcaMy 400GB drive takes about 15 minutes to check, and all I get is splash or blank screen during it.16:42
skcudI'm on a 300GB16:43
skcudMight it be that it's doing the check?16:43
skcudI didn't kept it longer than 5 minutes16:43
skcudUsually it does state that it's running a check16:43
charlie-tcapossible. You can hit S to skip the check, and it will then go to the login scren if that is what is happening16:44
skcudLet me try :)16:44
skcudThanks for the help16:44
charlie-tcaYou can also hit e in the grub menu, and edit the kernel line to remove "quiet splash" and see what messges it gives you16:44
skcudAlright16:45
skcudI'm going off from the live cd now16:45
skcudcharlie-tca, that didn't work17:06
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charlie-tcaXubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings18:29
In-Vent-iveHello people, I have a question ..  The computer turns off suddenly, and when I restart the Xfce does not work, I mean, instead of mouse displayed a big picture, and you see only part of window icons. I also tried restarting but i don't see any changes.19:02
In-Vent-iveThen do you know any way to reset Xfce, and solve my trouble.. Thank you. *My apologies, my english is poor..19:02
TheSheepIn-Vent-ive: you could try opening a terminal and writing 'xrandr --auto', that should set it to the default screen resolution19:10
TheSheepIn-Vent-ive: also, what graphics card are you using?19:10
In-Vent-iveTheSheep: ThankYou for your answer, is solved now... yes indeed.. When I rebooted, I pressed the keys to enter in "low graphics". Then the system, repaired the visual environment.19:16
In-Vent-iveThks!19:17
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IStormOkay, I have a question, but there are tons of details I'm putting on the back-burner, so I don't want the first response to be RTFM19:56
IStormI wanna know about splitting the main file system to 2 drives, naturally, nothing critical could go on the second, but what could?19:57
beardygnomeIStorm: such as /home on one partition and everything else on the other?19:58
IStormExactly. but I'm wondering about further than that. Something like /usr/share maybe19:58
IStormI have a 3 some-odd gig hard drive, and it's getting tight, even cleaning what I can.19:59
beardygnomei've seen some suggestions that /var can go on a separate partiton19:59
beardygnomelet me see if i can find the page for you19:59
IStormhow would it log the boot sequence?20:00
IStormand please do, any info is helpful20:00
IStormor, let me throw this out. Things like firefox and some other apps, well, I don't feel I need to have them on main drive. Outside of recompiling them, are there options?20:02
IStormactually, I should say,  are there option IN the package managers to redirect?20:03
beardygnomehmmm... i'm not sure about that20:05
IStormI just need to get the fluff off the main20:05
beardygnomemost programs end up in /usr, so if /usr was on a separate drive, they would go there automatically20:05
IStormbut how many are critical prior to auto-mounting that?20:06
IStormbtw, thanks much for any help. I love...well, I call them frankenstein systems, stuff put together from dead pc's20:07
IStormWe're lookin at a 3.2 gig, 3.1 gig, and a 40 gig for data. The 40 gig needs to be "pull out-able" without disrupting too much.20:09
beardygnomei think that they would be auto-mounted during the boot process20:09
beardygnomethis website should give you some ideas: http://lissot.net/partition/partition-04.html20:09
beardygnomeif you run the ubuntu installer (i've not used others, so i can't comment on how they will behave) and choose to manually partition your disk, it gives you a drop down of all the different options20:12
IStormWell, I see your point about var now20:12
beardygnomeyou can choose /var, /boot, /home, /usr, /tmp and some others, iirc20:13
IStormI've done other installers, but from old debian and red hat20:13
IStormboot has to be on the main, doesn't it?20:14
IStormI know I could get home on the other, and from what you pointed me to, tmp and var20:14
IStormbut I think the issue is in /usr/share20:15
beardygnomelinux can boot from any partition, as long as it is flagged as bootable20:16
beardygnomebut /boot is usually very small, so wouldn't save you that much space20:16
beardygnomewhat is your current setup?20:16
IStormWell, it all fits on the 3.2, but it concerns me  that I don't have at least  500 megs left20:19
beardygnomewhat other disks do you have available?20:20
IStormI've got another 2gig and 3.1 gig, in addition to the 3.1, 3.2, and 4020:21
IStormI know the easy answer is to use the 40, but I want that one removeable.20:22
beardygnomeso you have 2gig, 3.1gig and 3.2 gig to use then?20:23
IStormAnd believe me, I"ve culled apps like sickness20:24
IStormNah, I need one open for a cd-burner/reader20:24
IStorm2 ide channels, so I get 4  total20:24
IStormIt's a puzzle, and that's why I love it.20:25
beardygnomeso you have about 6gig in total to use?20:25
IStormYea, I got 6 gig total, that won't be added to by data in the least20:26
IStormWell, I guess thats kind of a sweeping statement,20:27
beardygnomeand i guess getting a bigger disk isn't possible at the moment?20:27
IStormwell, I guess I feel like that's cheating20:27
beardygnome:-)20:28
IStormI could get a whole pc for less than a new HD20:28
IStormI run Xubuntu because it's lovely with low ram systems, only 512m on this one, actually it was 256 till a week ago20:29
beardygnomejust checking how much space different things take on my disks20:29
IStormdu is the rockstar there20:29
beardygnomedf was fine for me20:30
charlie-tcaum, I pick up 40gb hard drives at the thrift stores in the USA for about $5 each20:31
IStormoh, I was looking at different directories20:31
beardygnomeok, i have /home on a separate drive, and everything else on my main drive20:31
beardygnomemy main xubuntu partition takes up 6gig, but that's without any effort to cut things down20:32
beardygnomeout of that 6gig, 3.2gig is taken up by /usr20:32
IStormcharlie-tca - I pick these machines up at auction for about that, but sadly most of the thrift stores don't carry much of that around here, I've looked.20:32
beardygnomeso how about you use the two drives for /root and /usr ?20:33
IStormThe trouble is that most of the time with an auction you have no idea what's inside, but gambling for 4-8 bucks is kinda fun20:33
beardygnomesorry, i should say / and /usr20:33
charlie-tcaheh, yard sales...20:33
beardygnome(/root is a different thing...)20:33
IStormexactly20:33
IStormactually, property auctions are way better, if you have the chance20:34
IStormright, that is the question, I've got 1.3g on usr on my machine, could it be moved....SHOULD it be moved?20:35
IStormThe last thing I wanna do is destabilize the system because something needs for that to be on the same drive.20:37
IStormI'm gonna be reloading the OS as it is, because I cleaned it a little too tightly, there are fonts missing from my panel configuration displays20:38
beardygnomeas long as the partition with the /usr data on is mounted on /usr, you shouldn't have any problems20:38
beardygnomeif you are planning to reinstall, then i would suggest that you simply tell the installer to put / on one drive and /usr on the other20:39
IStormI don't remember an option for that, but it might be there20:40
beardygnomethat will ensure that the correct fstab settings get generated and that everything gets mounted in the right place20:41
beardygnomeyou have to choose the "manually partition the disk" option20:41
IStormI take great pride in hand-editing my fstabs, lol20:41
IStormout of principle, I refuse to use a utility.20:42
IStormone  should know that config file20:42
IStormparticularly20:42
IStormin the manual partition method, does it offer any other options but root and swap though?20:43
beardygnomeyes, you can choose /home, /boot, /var, /tmp, /, /usr (and a few more, iirc)20:44
IStormwow20:44
charlie-tcaand if you the alternate installer, you can even specify the mount point manually20:45
IStormokay, need to get xchat onto a diff machine, gonna throw another drive in and see what comes up.20:47
IStormthis is just general ubuntu servers irc. right20:47
IStormhmph, I wanna detach a session on my other linux machine so that I can move it around, any thoughts on terminal based irc clients?20:49
beardygnomesorry, i prefer guis for that20:52
charlie-tcaweechat is real good, easier than irrsi, I think20:52
beardygnomegotta go now, but good luck20:52
knomei haven't used weechat, but if it's easier than irssi, it must be really easy ;)20:52
IStormwell, I think for the time being, I'm gonna mirc my windows20:52
IStormokay, switching over20:57
IncredibleStormBack20:58
IncredibleStormwell, IStorm=Incrediblestorm20:58
IncredibleStormhmph, need to find my natty xubuntu-alt cd21:03
IncredibleStormhmph, shouldn't be that hard to turn off display of joins21:36
Unit193!quietxchat21:37
ubottuTo disable joins and parts from being displayed in all future channels you join, type /set irc_conf_mode 1 . To apply this setting to all current channels, type /gui apply. To disable the prints for only certain channels, right click on the channel tab and click Settings -> Hide Join/Part Messages21:37
Unit193IncredibleStorm: You're using pidgin aren't you?21:39
charlie-tcahm, weechat starts with them disabled21:40
charlie-tcaxchat is just a right-click on the channel21:40
Unit193It's a simple /ignore #channel +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS   for me, but I don't use it21:41
IStormIt's really quiet here23:18
knomeit's not unusual23:18
IStormIt's still sad. I've brought amazing life to a lot of machines with Xubuntu23:19
IStormI'd just like to hear some chatter, so-to-speak23:19
knomethe fact that it's quiet here doesn't necessarily mean there is no xubuntu users23:21
knomemaybe they just don't have any problems23:21
IStormwell said23:22
IStormI'm reinstalling, trying to split stuff between 2 3.2Gb drives23:22
knomemmh23:23
IStormI asked earlier, and they were correct, I can designate /usr to a different partition on install23:23
knomeyes23:23
IStormfirst attempt failed, I expect this one to as well, I didn't make that many changes. It's to early to define what actually happened23:25
knomeyeah. 6.4Gb is little, that split in two is even less23:25
knomethat's less than i have RAM :(23:25
IStormwell, I've been running it well on 4gb, but 3.2 is just toooooooo tight.23:26
knomeyeah, 1×4Gb is ~okay, i have the 4G eeepc model23:26
IStormthis is Xubuntu, right? I started this machine with 256mb ram23:26
knomeyeah. :)23:26
knomexubuntu works well with newer pc's too23:27
IStormI cannot imagine it working badly with anything...23:28
knomeinstall it with less than 256MB ram ;)23:28
IStormthat being said, I've brought machines back from the grave with it23:28
knomeyeah. on the other hand, i've brought machines to grave with it. it's pretty much so solid you understand you only need one23:29
IStormI could do it with 128, I'm betting, but lower than that and you would have to drop X23:29
knomeyou can probably boot it with 128, yeah23:29
IStormWith X23:29
knomeyes23:30
IStormYa gotta love that23:30
knomethere are better alternatives for below 256 than xubuntu though23:30
IStormdo tell23:30
knomedamn small linux23:30
IStormdoesn't have X does it?23:30
knomedoes23:31
IStormREALLY?23:31
knomeyeah, but then again it's really different23:31
knomeMinimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window:23:32
knome"i486" "24 MB RAM"23:32
IStormI was under the impression that DaSmLi was for flash drives and such?23:32
knomewell, it is also small in size yeah, but no reason why you couldn't use it on a hard drive too23:32
IStormSee, I don't know how old YOU are, but I remember when 24mb was a rockin PC23:33
IStormWell, let's start with the start, what is the window manager?23:33
knomei can't remember that far, but yeah, things change23:33
IStormYou can't remember when 16mb simm's were high-end?23:34
knomesomething like that23:34
IStormWhen the internet got pictures?23:34
knomeheh23:34
knomei'm 25 :)23:34
IStormNCSA23:34
IStormOkay, you clearly don't remember browsing the internet on a green-screen23:35
knomestarted fiddling with pc's when i was 5, our first internet was broadband (cable!) when i was 14, the same year i was paid to create my first ever website for a company... ;)23:35
knomedsl uses fluxbox afaik23:36
knomefluxbox or jwm23:37
IStormstarted dissassembling phones when I was 5 (not even the atari was built then), my first PC was an 8086 (640k ram, no hard disk, dual 5 1/4 floppy drives.......top of the line)23:38
knomethe first pc i remember us having was 48623:38
IStormoh, and my first paid excursion was taking a supermarket chain off satellite credit card transaction processing and transferring to land line ip based transactions23:40
IStorm38623:40
knomeheh, nice23:40
IStormwe added check clearing, with the little modules that scan a check and test for micr ink\23:41
IStormI wasn't that involved in that, till they needed people to hook cables under a checklane that hadn't been cleaned in 15 year, LOL23:42
knome;)23:42
IStormDo you do a lot of web stuff?23:43
knomeone could say so23:43
knome(run a company myself that does web stuff + work on open source web stuff too)23:44
IStormfor whom (don't give names)23:46
knomefor whom what? :)23:46
IStormdo you have a plan, or do you just take what you get?23:46
IStormyour company doing web stuff23:47
knomelet's put it like this: so far i haven't needed to say no to an offer :)23:47
IStormI'm not trying to pry or be mean, but a janitor could say that.23:48
IStormYou know your stuff, that's clear.23:48
knomeerr, actually once i did. but that doesn't really count becuase they wanted to race companies and i (then we) said we can't offer what you want for the price you are willing to pay23:48
knome;)23:48
knomeit's not always easy to be an entrepreneur, true enough23:49
IStormAlways make sure they understand what they get for the price23:49
knomeof course.23:49
IStormDON'T EVER LET YOURSELF GET CAUGHT UP IN ANYTHING THAT *23:50
IStormDON'T EVER LET YOURSELF GET CAUGHT UP IN ANYTHING THAT *"YOU"*23:50
knomeoops, caps? :)23:50
IStormFIND COOL!23:50
IStormFor a reason23:50
IStormI meant every cap23:51
knomedon't get caught using caps when an operator is present23:51
knomeO;)23:51
IStormYou could save a fortune 500 company 2billion a year, but if it makes the owner look bad, or doesn't make him happy............23:52
IStormIt's been a while for me with IRC23:52
knome!coc23:52
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere, and can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/ | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct23:52
knome!guidelines23:52
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines23:52
knomejust for reference :)23:52
IStormhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine23:55
IStormWe started as such23:55
knomemm-hmm23:55
IStormIf an op wants to ban me for capping that advice, they can. I DO know the etiquette, but not so much the rules.23:56
knomei don't want to ban you ;) just said so you know the next time23:57
knomeif you use common sense, you'll get far without getting banned23:57
IStormlol, I didn't know you were an op.23:58
IStormCaps are meant for "loud, shouting" speech.23:58
IStormno?23:58
knomeyup23:58
knomethat's pretty much always unwanted23:59
IStormThat was the intention.23:59
knomebeing unwanted? :P23:59
IStormWell, then I will apologize to you personally23:59
knomeheh, no problem really23:59

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