[03:20] <patrice> hi
[03:22] <patrice> i have a problem with alacarte
[03:22] <patrice> it's full of bugs
[07:00] <mikodo> I have Xubuntu installed on top of Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone know how to have the Compiz Fusion Icon persist over reboots; and not have to always either click or unclick the Loose Binding or Indirect Binding to allow for the Negative Settings in CompizConfig Settings Manager to work?
[07:18] <mikodo> bedtime --goodnight
[09:08] <cYmen> How do I get a list of the fonts availabe for xterm?
[09:09] <cYmen> Somehow the VT Fonts right-click menu doesn't work for me.
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> cYmen: there;s xfontsel
[09:18] <well_laid_lawn> s/;/'/
[10:51] <SoundHelp> how would i change my default playback device? i can hear sound from teamspeak on my usb headset, but not sound from chrome
[10:52] <knome> try installing pavucontrol
[10:54] <SoundHelp> haha, thank you :)
[10:54] <knome> np
[11:05] <sivik> hey all
[11:05] <sivik> How do I control different volume for different applications?
[16:36] <skcud> Anyone around? I need some help urgently.
[16:37] <pleia2> !ask
[16:38] <skcud> I installed xubuntu two days back, everything was installed, configured well and today I didn't start up
[16:39] <pleia2> does the machine not start, or does it start and give an error?
[16:39] <Guest68197> I bet it's xfcesession
[16:39] <skcud> Nop, no errors. I'm running xubuntu 11.04?
[16:40] <skcud> I've been using ubuntu until this month and nothing like this occurred.
[16:40] <pleia2> what about it "doesn't start"? does the machine start up? does the login screen appear? will it just not load the desktop?
[16:40] <skcud> The machine starts up. it doesn't go beyond the splash screen
[16:41] <skcud> I'm currently on the live cd
[16:41] <Guest68197> so it's the desktop, can u log on tty ?
[16:41] <skcud> nop
[16:41] <charlie-tca> drive fsck?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> We did not have any notices for that in 11.04, but they still run.
[16:42] <charlie-tca> How long did you let it go?
[16:42] <charlie-tca> My 400GB drive takes about 15 minutes to check, and all I get is splash or blank screen during it.
[16:43] <skcud> I'm on a 300GB
[16:43] <skcud> Might it be that it's doing the check?
[16:43] <skcud> I didn't kept it longer than 5 minutes
[16:43] <skcud> Usually it does state that it's running a check
[16:44] <charlie-tca> possible. You can hit S to skip the check, and it will then go to the login scren if that is what is happening
[16:44] <skcud> Let me try :)
[16:44] <skcud> Thanks for the help
[16:44] <charlie-tca> You can also hit e in the grub menu, and edit the kernel line to remove "quiet splash" and see what messges it gives you
[16:45] <skcud> Alright
[16:45] <skcud> I'm going off from the live cd now
[17:06] <skcud> charlie-tca, that didn't work
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 30 minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:02] <In-Vent-ive> Hello people, I have a question ..  The computer turns off suddenly, and when I restart the Xfce does not work, I mean, instead of mouse displayed a big picture, and you see only part of window icons. I also tried restarting but i don't see any changes.
[19:02] <In-Vent-ive> Then do you know any way to reset Xfce, and solve my trouble.. Thank you. *My apologies, my english is poor..
[19:10] <TheSheep> In-Vent-ive: you could try opening a terminal and writing 'xrandr --auto', that should set it to the default screen resolution
[19:10] <TheSheep> In-Vent-ive: also, what graphics card are you using?
[19:16] <In-Vent-ive> TheSheep: ThankYou for your answer, is solved now... yes indeed.. When I rebooted, I pressed the keys to enter in "low graphics". Then the system, repaired the visual environment.
[19:17] <In-Vent-ive> Thks!
[19:56] <IStorm> Okay, I have a question, but there are tons of details I'm putting on the back-burner, so I don't want the first response to be RTFM
[19:57] <IStorm> I wanna know about splitting the main file system to 2 drives, naturally, nothing critical could go on the second, but what could?
[19:58] <beardygnome> IStorm: such as /home on one partition and everything else on the other?
[19:58] <IStorm> Exactly. but I'm wondering about further than that. Something like /usr/share maybe
[19:59] <IStorm> I have a 3 some-odd gig hard drive, and it's getting tight, even cleaning what I can.
[19:59] <beardygnome> i've seen some suggestions that /var can go on a separate partiton
[19:59] <beardygnome> let me see if i can find the page for you
[20:00] <IStorm> how would it log the boot sequence?
[20:00] <IStorm> and please do, any info is helpful
[20:02] <IStorm> or, let me throw this out. Things like firefox and some other apps, well, I don't feel I need to have them on main drive. Outside of recompiling them, are there options?
[20:03] <IStorm> actually, I should say,  are there option IN the package managers to redirect?
[20:05] <beardygnome> hmmm... i'm not sure about that
[20:05] <IStorm> I just need to get the fluff off the main
[20:05] <beardygnome> most programs end up in /usr, so if /usr was on a separate drive, they would go there automatically
[20:06] <IStorm> but how many are critical prior to auto-mounting that?
[20:07] <IStorm> btw, thanks much for any help. I love...well, I call them frankenstein systems, stuff put together from dead pc's
[20:09] <IStorm> We're lookin at a 3.2 gig, 3.1 gig, and a 40 gig for data. The 40 gig needs to be "pull out-able" without disrupting too much.
[20:09] <beardygnome> i think that they would be auto-mounted during the boot process
[20:09] <beardygnome> this website should give you some ideas: http://lissot.net/partition/partition-04.html
[20:12] <beardygnome> if you run the ubuntu installer (i've not used others, so i can't comment on how they will behave) and choose to manually partition your disk, it gives you a drop down of all the different options
[20:12] <IStorm> Well, I see your point about var now
[20:13] <beardygnome> you can choose /var, /boot, /home, /usr, /tmp and some others, iirc
[20:13] <IStorm> I've done other installers, but from old debian and red hat
[20:14] <IStorm> boot has to be on the main, doesn't it?
[20:14] <IStorm> I know I could get home on the other, and from what you pointed me to, tmp and var
[20:15] <IStorm> but I think the issue is in /usr/share
[20:16] <beardygnome> linux can boot from any partition, as long as it is flagged as bootable
[20:16] <beardygnome> but /boot is usually very small, so wouldn't save you that much space
[20:16] <beardygnome> what is your current setup?
[20:19] <IStorm> Well, it all fits on the 3.2, but it concerns me  that I don't have at least  500 megs left
[20:20] <beardygnome> what other disks do you have available?
[20:21] <IStorm> I've got another 2gig and 3.1 gig, in addition to the 3.1, 3.2, and 40
[20:22] <IStorm> I know the easy answer is to use the 40, but I want that one removeable.
[20:23] <beardygnome> so you have 2gig, 3.1gig and 3.2 gig to use then?
[20:24] <IStorm> And believe me, I"ve culled apps like sickness
[20:24] <IStorm> Nah, I need one open for a cd-burner/reader
[20:24] <IStorm> 2 ide channels, so I get 4  total
[20:25] <IStorm> It's a puzzle, and that's why I love it.
[20:25] <beardygnome> so you have about 6gig in total to use?
[20:26] <IStorm> Yea, I got 6 gig total, that won't be added to by data in the least
[20:27] <IStorm> Well, I guess thats kind of a sweeping statement,
[20:27] <beardygnome> and i guess getting a bigger disk isn't possible at the moment?
[20:27] <IStorm> well, I guess I feel like that's cheating
[20:28] <beardygnome> :-)
[20:28] <IStorm> I could get a whole pc for less than a new HD
[20:29] <IStorm> I run Xubuntu because it's lovely with low ram systems, only 512m on this one, actually it was 256 till a week ago
[20:29] <beardygnome> just checking how much space different things take on my disks
[20:29] <IStorm> du is the rockstar there
[20:30] <beardygnome> df was fine for me
[20:31] <charlie-tca> um, I pick up 40gb hard drives at the thrift stores in the USA for about $5 each
[20:31] <IStorm> oh, I was looking at different directories
[20:31] <beardygnome> ok, i have /home on a separate drive, and everything else on my main drive
[20:32] <beardygnome> my main xubuntu partition takes up 6gig, but that's without any effort to cut things down
[20:32] <beardygnome> out of that 6gig, 3.2gig is taken up by /usr
[20:32] <IStorm> charlie-tca - I pick these machines up at auction for about that, but sadly most of the thrift stores don't carry much of that around here, I've looked.
[20:33] <beardygnome> so how about you use the two drives for /root and /usr ?
[20:33] <IStorm> The trouble is that most of the time with an auction you have no idea what's inside, but gambling for 4-8 bucks is kinda fun
[20:33] <beardygnome> sorry, i should say / and /usr
[20:33] <charlie-tca> heh, yard sales...
[20:33] <beardygnome> (/root is a different thing...)
[20:33] <IStorm> exactly
[20:34] <IStorm> actually, property auctions are way better, if you have the chance
[20:35] <IStorm> right, that is the question, I've got 1.3g on usr on my machine, could it be moved....SHOULD it be moved?
[20:37] <IStorm> The last thing I wanna do is destabilize the system because something needs for that to be on the same drive.
[20:38] <IStorm> I'm gonna be reloading the OS as it is, because I cleaned it a little too tightly, there are fonts missing from my panel configuration displays
[20:38] <beardygnome> as long as the partition with the /usr data on is mounted on /usr, you shouldn't have any problems
[20:39] <beardygnome> if you are planning to reinstall, then i would suggest that you simply tell the installer to put / on one drive and /usr on the other
[20:40] <IStorm> I don't remember an option for that, but it might be there
[20:41] <beardygnome> that will ensure that the correct fstab settings get generated and that everything gets mounted in the right place
[20:41] <beardygnome> you have to choose the "manually partition the disk" option
[20:41] <IStorm> I take great pride in hand-editing my fstabs, lol
[20:42] <IStorm> out of principle, I refuse to use a utility.
[20:42] <IStorm> one  should know that config file
[20:42] <IStorm> particularly
[20:43] <IStorm> in the manual partition method, does it offer any other options but root and swap though?
[20:44] <beardygnome> yes, you can choose /home, /boot, /var, /tmp, /, /usr (and a few more, iirc)
[20:44] <IStorm> wow
[20:45] <charlie-tca> and if you the alternate installer, you can even specify the mount point manually
[20:47] <IStorm> okay, need to get xchat onto a diff machine, gonna throw another drive in and see what comes up.
[20:47] <IStorm> this is just general ubuntu servers irc. right
[20:49] <IStorm> hmph, I wanna detach a session on my other linux machine so that I can move it around, any thoughts on terminal based irc clients?
[20:52] <beardygnome> sorry, i prefer guis for that
[20:52] <charlie-tca> weechat is real good, easier than irrsi, I think
[20:52] <beardygnome> gotta go now, but good luck
[20:52] <knome> i haven't used weechat, but if it's easier than irssi, it must be really easy ;)
[20:52] <IStorm> well, I think for the time being, I'm gonna mirc my windows
[20:57] <IStorm> okay, switching over
[20:58] <IncredibleStorm> Back
[20:58] <IncredibleStorm> well, IStorm=Incrediblestorm
[21:03] <IncredibleStorm> hmph, need to find my natty xubuntu-alt cd
[21:36] <IncredibleStorm> hmph, shouldn't be that hard to turn off display of joins
[21:37] <Unit193> !quietxchat
[21:39] <Unit193> IncredibleStorm: You're using pidgin aren't you?
[21:40] <charlie-tca> hm, weechat starts with them disabled
[21:40] <charlie-tca> xchat is just a right-click on the channel
[21:41] <Unit193> It's a simple /ignore #channel +JOINS +PARTS +QUITS   for me, but I don't use it
[23:18] <IStorm> It's really quiet here
[23:18] <knome> it's not unusual
[23:19] <IStorm> It's still sad. I've brought amazing life to a lot of machines with Xubuntu
[23:19] <IStorm> I'd just like to hear some chatter, so-to-speak
[23:21] <knome> the fact that it's quiet here doesn't necessarily mean there is no xubuntu users
[23:21] <knome> maybe they just don't have any problems
[23:22] <IStorm> well said
[23:22] <IStorm> I'm reinstalling, trying to split stuff between 2 3.2Gb drives
[23:23] <knome> mmh
[23:23] <IStorm> I asked earlier, and they were correct, I can designate /usr to a different partition on install
[23:23] <knome> yes
[23:25] <IStorm> first attempt failed, I expect this one to as well, I didn't make that many changes. It's to early to define what actually happened
[23:25] <knome> yeah. 6.4Gb is little, that split in two is even less
[23:25] <knome> that's less than i have RAM :(
[23:26] <IStorm> well, I've been running it well on 4gb, but 3.2 is just toooooooo tight.
[23:26] <knome> yeah, 1×4Gb is ~okay, i have the 4G eeepc model
[23:26] <IStorm> this is Xubuntu, right? I started this machine with 256mb ram
[23:26] <knome> yeah. :)
[23:27] <knome> xubuntu works well with newer pc's too
[23:28] <IStorm> I cannot imagine it working badly with anything...
[23:28] <knome> install it with less than 256MB ram ;)
[23:28] <IStorm> that being said, I've brought machines back from the grave with it
[23:29] <knome> yeah. on the other hand, i've brought machines to grave with it. it's pretty much so solid you understand you only need one
[23:29] <IStorm> I could do it with 128, I'm betting, but lower than that and you would have to drop X
[23:29] <knome> you can probably boot it with 128, yeah
[23:29] <IStorm> With X
[23:30] <knome> yes
[23:30] <IStorm> Ya gotta love that
[23:30] <knome> there are better alternatives for below 256 than xubuntu though
[23:30] <IStorm> do tell
[23:30] <knome> damn small linux
[23:30] <IStorm> doesn't have X does it?
[23:31] <knome> does
[23:31] <IStorm> REALLY?
[23:31] <knome> yeah, but then again it's really different
[23:32] <knome> Minimum Requirements for DSL with X-Window:
[23:32] <knome> "i486" "24 MB RAM"
[23:32] <IStorm> I was under the impression that DaSmLi was for flash drives and such?
[23:32] <knome> well, it is also small in size yeah, but no reason why you couldn't use it on a hard drive too
[23:33] <IStorm> See, I don't know how old YOU are, but I remember when 24mb was a rockin PC
[23:33] <IStorm> Well, let's start with the start, what is the window manager?
[23:33] <knome> i can't remember that far, but yeah, things change
[23:34] <IStorm> You can't remember when 16mb simm's were high-end?
[23:34] <knome> something like that
[23:34] <IStorm> When the internet got pictures?
[23:34] <knome> heh
[23:34] <knome> i'm 25 :)
[23:34] <IStorm> NCSA
[23:35] <IStorm> Okay, you clearly don't remember browsing the internet on a green-screen
[23:35] <knome> started fiddling with pc's when i was 5, our first internet was broadband (cable!) when i was 14, the same year i was paid to create my first ever website for a company... ;)
[23:36] <knome> dsl uses fluxbox afaik
[23:37] <knome> fluxbox or jwm
[23:38] <IStorm> started dissassembling phones when I was 5 (not even the atari was built then), my first PC was an 8086 (640k ram, no hard disk, dual 5 1/4 floppy drives.......top of the line)
[23:38] <knome> the first pc i remember us having was 486
[23:40] <IStorm> oh, and my first paid excursion was taking a supermarket chain off satellite credit card transaction processing and transferring to land line ip based transactions
[23:40] <IStorm> 386
[23:40] <knome> heh, nice
[23:41] <IStorm> we added check clearing, with the little modules that scan a check and test for micr ink\
[23:42] <IStorm> I wasn't that involved in that, till they needed people to hook cables under a checklane that hadn't been cleaned in 15 year, LOL
[23:42] <knome> ;)
[23:43] <IStorm> Do you do a lot of web stuff?
[23:43] <knome> one could say so
[23:44] <knome> (run a company myself that does web stuff + work on open source web stuff too)
[23:46] <IStorm> for whom (don't give names)
[23:46] <knome> for whom what? :)
[23:46] <IStorm> do you have a plan, or do you just take what you get?
[23:47] <IStorm> your company doing web stuff
[23:47] <knome> let's put it like this: so far i haven't needed to say no to an offer :)
[23:48] <IStorm> I'm not trying to pry or be mean, but a janitor could say that.
[23:48] <IStorm> You know your stuff, that's clear.
[23:48] <knome> err, actually once i did. but that doesn't really count becuase they wanted to race companies and i (then we) said we can't offer what you want for the price you are willing to pay
[23:48] <knome> ;)
[23:49] <knome> it's not always easy to be an entrepreneur, true enough
[23:49] <IStorm> Always make sure they understand what they get for the price
[23:49] <knome> of course.
[23:50] <IStorm> DON'T EVER LET YOURSELF GET CAUGHT UP IN ANYTHING THAT *
[23:50] <IStorm> DON'T EVER LET YOURSELF GET CAUGHT UP IN ANYTHING THAT *"YOU"*
[23:50] <knome> oops, caps? :)
[23:50] <IStorm> FIND COOL!
[23:50] <IStorm> For a reason
[23:51] <IStorm> I meant every cap
[23:51] <knome> don't get caught using caps when an operator is present
[23:51] <knome> O;)
[23:52] <IStorm> You could save a fortune 500 company 2billion a year, but if it makes the owner look bad, or doesn't make him happy............
[23:52] <IStorm> It's been a while for me with IRC
[23:52] <knome> !coc
[23:52] <knome> !guidelines
[23:52] <knome> just for reference :)
[23:55] <IStorm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine
[23:55] <IStorm> We started as such
[23:55] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:56] <IStorm> If an op wants to ban me for capping that advice, they can. I DO know the etiquette, but not so much the rules.
[23:57] <knome> i don't want to ban you ;) just said so you know the next time
[23:57] <knome> if you use common sense, you'll get far without getting banned
[23:58] <IStorm> lol, I didn't know you were an op.
[23:58] <IStorm> Caps are meant for "loud, shouting" speech.
[23:58] <IStorm> no?
[23:58] <knome> yup
[23:59] <knome> that's pretty much always unwanted
[23:59] <IStorm> That was the intention.
[23:59] <knome> being unwanted? :P
[23:59] <IStorm> Well, then I will apologize to you personally
[23:59] <knome> heh, no problem really