[05:39] rekonq is the default browser in maverick+, right? [05:47] micahg: Yes. [05:47] :( [05:47] Why? [05:47] well, just tested my qt4-x11 update on maverick and rekonq crashed [05:47] Oh. [05:47] It may have done that before. [05:48] First set of Kubuntu candidate images up for Beta 2 testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20110920.6/ [05:48] * micahg wonders how a default browser could be released with a segfault [05:48] shadeslayer was busy with exams, IIRC. [05:48] Actually, IDK, as I almost never use it. [05:48] * micahg downgrades to release version to see [06:00] dang, it does segfault with the release version :( [06:00] * micahg switches to konqueror [06:06] ScottK: I brought my netbook which was running beta, up to date last night [06:07] if I run another set up updates, is that the equiv. of the Beta 2/rc ? [06:17] Yes [06:20] cool [06:51] apachelogger: how to compile uds-qml for symbian on my mashine? === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [08:04] morning === timblechmann is now known as tim [10:12] bulldog98: qt creator [10:12] also you'll need to remote compile via nokia, as I do not think there is a symbian toolchain on linux [10:13] apachelogger: yes that’s what I found out until now, but how can I get an account to use that? [10:13] register at developer.nokia.com [10:14] apachelogger: where is the button to do so, or am I blind? [10:15] bulldog98: https://www.developer.nokia.com/Profile/Join.xhtml?locale=en [10:15] apachelogger: thx [10:17] hi everyone.i want to create a new option in my kubuntu right-click menu.How shld i write a .desktop file to do this? [10:19] venu: this is the developer channel please ask questions for support in #kubuntu [10:19] bulldog98: thanx [10:25] actually that belongs even less in there than in here :P [10:26] bulldog98: what I always find surprising is how much rekonq can crash with such a tiny code base === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:28] well, if you add qtwebkit to that you can enough crash potential ^^ [10:28] *can get [10:31] ScottK: can you please accept https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-coding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-postponeds https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-kubuntu-mobile [10:34] yofel: except most crashes I get are not in qtwebkit but rekonq [10:35] ah, mine are usually in qtwebkit [10:35] so I hope it becomes actually usable with the rc [10:35] oh [10:35] on oneiric? [10:35] maybe we should push a new rekonq in? :P [10:35] that too ^^ [10:36] bulldog98: how are settings usually presented on symbian^3? [10:38] apachelogger: nokia apps use a popup list [10:38] video would be good [10:39] interestingly enough the harmattan components are not half bad compared to the symbian ones [10:39] on harmattan you can at least get a settings dialog that looks like the others ^^ [10:40] apachelogger: but even the nokia one are not consitent, so simply do one [10:41] bulldog98: well, whatever seems most useful I want [10:41] that said... the symbian UX guidelines suggest a wizard like dialog [10:41] e.g. Store uses a tab for that, player uses a popup, … [10:41] except there is no such thing in the qt components [10:41] + it would be jolly ard to build such a wizard without cpp [10:41] utter fail [10:42] it is like statusbar notifications on harmattan .. you simply cannot trigger them [10:42] although for harmattan that is a design flaw from meego [10:52] fml [10:52] I'm ill :/ === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [10:59] Quintasan: soft kitty warm kitty littel ball of fur sleepy kitty happy kitty purr purr purr [11:00] who wants to do the uds app for android? [11:01] I thought there already was one. [11:01] as with so many things apacheloggerware is superior [11:01] summit exposes a read-only API now, if it helps anyone who wants to build an app. [11:01] also it is written in qt [11:01] using throw away UIs [11:01] \o/ [11:01] writing a ui takes like an hour or so [11:01] nigelb: oh oh oh [11:01] nigelb: tell me more pretty please [11:01] apachelogger: sec, let me find docs :-) [11:02] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/rest-api/+merge/75859 [11:02] If you want pretty docs, poke me ~4 hours and I'll sit down and write it :) [11:05] haha [11:05] shadeslayer: all the work for nothing :P [11:06] nigelb: if you had mentioned this last week ... shadeslayer wrote an ical parser :S [11:14] apachelogger: haha [11:14] apachelogger: Talk to us! [11:14] Let us just help you folks :-) [11:15] lol [11:15] well [11:15] I do not think a full switch to the API is much to go for at this point [11:15] * apachelogger does not care to implement persistent storage using sql [11:16] every time someone writes a line of sql a kitten dies somewhere on planet earth :( [11:19] nigelb: something about the api feels fishy TBH [11:19] apachelogger: what feels fishy? [11:19] not sure [11:19] Its a thin wrapper [11:19] perhaps the fact that oen has to use query params [11:20] http://summit.ubuntu.com/api/room/?summit=6 [11:20] Yeah, its not a "solid" API [11:20] http://summit.ubuntu.com/api/summit/6/room would seem much intuitive [11:20] Sure, slowly :-) [11:21] why? it does exactly the same internally [11:21] Ther's going to be a summit session at UDS [11:21] Go there and tell what you want [11:21] on http://summit.ubuntu.com/api/summit/6/room you'd then apply your query [11:21] I'll try to be there remotely as well [11:22] so you drilled down from a list of summits to one specific summit's room and then only want rooms that host tracks of "foo" [11:22] nigelb: not coming to orlando? :( [11:22] apachelogger: Nope :( [11:22] Mostly because it in the US and the visa is a hassle. [11:23] yeah, stupid visas [11:23] * apachelogger is fortunate enough to not require a proper visa [11:24] oh, my new headset is in austria [11:25] nigelb: something that I can request right now ... it would be super awesome if summit provided a map of the venue [11:27] nigelb: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/uds-qml3.mp4 [11:27] apachelogger: let me open a bug. I understand how that can be helpful. [11:29] apachelogger: We already have a bug :-) bug 668540 [11:29] Launchpad bug 668540 in Summit "Add room map" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/668540 [11:33] * apachelogger thinks about doing a blunt on-disk json cache [11:33] I do not think there is much benefit from throwing stuff into a database really [11:34] with a simple json cache we can transparently serve urls from cache [12:36] apachelogger: Done. [13:03] aw [13:03] boo [13:06] apachelogger: i condem you to use our parser, thou shall not use summit API :P [13:07] ok [13:07] :P [13:07] ScottK: thx [13:07] http://i.imgur.com/b0Aij.png [13:07] apachelogger: android app? is that in QML? [13:08] yep [13:08] now pushed [13:08] someone should write android components [13:18] shadeslayer: you should totally port to ipone [13:18] you can actually reuse the main.qml from android it uses plain qtquick 1.0 [13:18] iphone? What a rubbish platform [13:19] http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/08/09/update-on-uikit-lighthouse-platform/ [13:19] apachelogger: my sister has a iPad and i got bored after 2 hours [13:19] there's *nothing* to do [13:19] except run your uds app on it ^^ [13:19] it was designed to do one job and one job only, make money by selling apps [13:19] heh [13:20] anywho, I would reall appreciate if you could try to deploy it there [13:20] should be relatively easy as you can just put everything into the binary [13:20] also see qml/android.qrc [13:20] sure, i can try, if i manage to figure out how to do it [13:21] shadeslayer: the qt labs post explains how to get a lighthose setup and all that stuff [13:21] yep, will try over the weekend [13:21] splendid [13:21] my profs have loaded me up for the week right now [13:23] * apachelogger waves fist [13:24] fooey, will have to clone Qt, and download the SDK [13:24] that is like a ton of download right there [13:31] apachelogger: on iOS side, what needs doing? [13:32] i haz a iOS developer friend, i could probably ask him for help to set everything up [13:32] shadeslayer: nothing [13:32] that is what the blog post suggests [13:32] oh, just testing stuff? [13:32] yeah, proof of concept [13:33] unless you actually want to do the development [13:33] alright, i'll try it over the weekend [13:33] no thanks :P [13:33] which probably involves writing ios qt components [13:33] heh [13:33] which is surely a PITA [13:33] though not as much as on android I'd say [13:33] cloning Qt will be a PITA [13:33] i'm pretty sure i'll time out a couple of times [13:33] :D [13:34] i tried to clone qtwebkit once [13:34] on a 256kbp connection [13:34] not pretty [13:34] well [13:34] bulldog98 is on 56k or something [13:34] so stop whining :P [13:35] i know the feeling [13:35] i had 56k 5 years back :P [13:35] still have the US Robotics modem with me [13:35] iirc i video called someone in the US with Yahoo + 56k modem [13:47] hmm... [13:47] a video call + 56k modem is not a possible combination [13:48] in 2003 it was [13:48] Hmm [13:48] So you did listen to a 8-bit voice and two pixels? [13:49] well, i had a VGA webcam back then, :P [13:49] so something like, 1 frame every 10 seconds [13:49] VGA is 640x480 so its just too much for 56k modem itself :) [13:49] and i used to go, OMG THAT GUY IS MOVING AND I CAN SEE HIM [14:03] !find pcre.h [14:04] File pcre.h found in autoconf-archive, emboss-lib, gambas2-doc, kannel-dev, liblua5.1-rex-pcre-dev, libocamlnet-ocaml-doc, libpcre3-dev, php-doc, php5-dev, picviz (and 3 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=pcre.h&mode=&suite=natty&arch=any [14:08] finally [14:09] portal download [14:09] started :D [14:17] http://paste.kde.org/124579/ [14:17] weeh [14:18] shadeslayer: I thought you had work to do? :P === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:33] apachelogger: sure, i'm doing that, but portal is downloading as well [14:33] * shadeslayer is studying about 8051 micro controller registers [14:33] gross [14:35] gross for you, coursework for me [14:57] apachelogger: why can’t I use a paint(int, int, QPixmap) in an selfwritten QDeclarativeItem? [15:00] bulldog98: show me code [15:00] apachelogger: what am i supposed to do in the workitem for neon? [15:03] I dunno [15:03] maybe it was Quintasan who added that [15:03] * apachelogger does not even know what it means [15:04] apachelogger: kde:scratch/kolberg/kardsloader [15:04] apachelogger: that’s the lib [15:06] apachelogger: kde:scratch/kolberg/doppelkopf-qml is a small test project [15:06] hm [15:06] should just work [15:06] as long as qpixmap is actually a valid one [15:06] apachelogger: problem is it says QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread [15:07] but I consider QML a Gui thread [15:07] or an extend to that [15:07] * apachelogger points out that this assumption is not true for qtquick2 [15:08] apachelogger: but how can I get the card out off that cache? [15:12] bulldog98: QPixmap: It is not safe to use pixmaps outside the GUI thread [15:12] that appears before paint is even called [15:12] I know that [15:12] I guess it’s somewhere in the cache [15:13] since I do not use QPixmap anywhere [15:14] it’s tiggerd in m_cache->loadTheme(…) [15:15] even if I move that into paint that error is thrown [15:15] debfx: bug 854330 [15:15] Launchpad bug 854330 in strigi (Ubuntu) "Strigi 0.7.2 is an old release, it won't index files properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854330 [15:16] bulldog98: that function is threaded [15:16] hence the warning [15:16] hm [15:16] it’s from the kdegames lib [15:17] maybe I should ask in #kdegames for help [15:20] still kpat and lskat should get the same error if they call that [15:20] but they get pixmaps and I don’t get pixmaps [15:21] fabo: ah hah, that might explain why file search has stopped doing anything [15:22] apachelogger: now I managed to get rid of the QPixmap stuff [15:23] Riddell: :) it introduces also some new stream support using ffmpeg [15:25] bulldog98: how? [15:25] apachelogger: see the new commit [15:25] somehow it was due a missing ->set…Theme() call [15:26] but now I think my themename is wrong [15:26] I think you are using libkdegames wrong [15:44] apachelogger: Certainly it was not me [15:45] apachelogger: One of Polish users report brekage in packages [15:45] plasma-widget-metworkmanagement conflicts with network-manager-kde and network-manager-kde requires plasma-widget-networkmanagement [15:46] apachelogger: maybe [15:50] apachelogger: but at least I managed to get the plugin build and installed with cmake :) [15:51] btw [15:51] apachelogger: Blueprint changed by Harald Sitter: [15:51] - [kubuntu-members] Give Neon a public purpose: TODO [15:51] + [shadeslayer] Give Neon a public purpose: TODO [15:51] someone was talking about that at UDS [15:51] or the item would not be there [15:51] someone explain that to me [15:51] shadeslayer: listen to the uds discussion [15:51] ah righto [15:52] or maybe the notes have more details [15:52] see wiki link or something on the blueprint [15:52] will check [15:52] is already uds? [15:52] no [15:52] app is not finished :P [15:52] so it cannot be uds [15:53] bulldog98: did you deploy onto symbian yet? [15:53] "This page does not exist. If you feel that this is an error, please file a bug" [15:53] apachelogger: no, I had my new account in spam folder [15:53] awesome [15:54] shadeslayer: that’s good [15:55] i'll have a look on the weeken [15:55] s/weeken/weekend/ [15:55] shadeslayer meant: "i'll have a look on the weekend" [15:56] hrm [15:56] yofel: digikam still being worked upon? [16:13] bulldog98: lol [16:14] apachelogger: even better nokia warned that that could happen. I guess they setup their mail server wrong [16:14] *shrug* [16:16] fabo: is that fixed now? [16:21] apachelogger: what pass do I have to type in into the remote compiler setup? [16:33] bulldog98: the one from developer.nokia.com [16:33] about nepomuk and strigi: in http://trueg.wordpress.com/2011/09/19/nepomuk-what-comes-next-revised/ in a comment it's mentioned "..2. If it’s 0.7.2, FILE A BUG IN YOUR DISTRO..". Oneiric and Project Neon still seem to use 0.7.2. [16:43] bulldog98: what's the context? :) "is that fixed now?" [16:45] allee: bug 854330 [16:45] Launchpad bug 854330 in strigi (Ubuntu) "Strigi 0.7.2 is an old release, it won't index files properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854330 [16:45] allee: oneiric need a sync request [16:45] dcmtk won't make it into main [16:45] was required for KOffice [16:46] but since we won't be usnig KOffice anymore [16:46] *using [16:49] fabo: great! Can you do a ppa build so 'we' can test it, like with bluedevil. I assume as it's late in release cycle a simple sync request is not enough [16:50] ScottK: ^^ libstrigi & co ?? [16:53] omg [16:53] apachelogger: http://googleplusplatform.blogspot.com/2011/09/introducing-google-hangouts-api.html [17:00] yay [17:00] more prn [17:00] allee: Yes. Please (testing) [17:11] Sput: ping [17:11] Sput: I said ping!!! :P [17:17] shadeslayer: not by me at least right now, someone still needs to fix the stuff debfx complained about [17:21] allee: uploaded to https://launchpad.net/~fboudra/+archive/kde [17:22] yofel, shadeslayer: I think putting the libraries into own packages and overriding their version might actually be the best option [17:23] I put them seperately to prevent file conflicts later, but I don't know how to override the versions (and have no time for at least the next 2 days to look it up) [17:25] fabo: exectly that bug 854330 [17:25] Launchpad bug 854330 in strigi (Ubuntu) "Strigi 0.7.2 is an old release, it won't index files properly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854330 === maco2 is now known as maco [17:38] has somebody an idea what https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/766145 is about? [17:38] Ubuntu bug 766145 in kdebase (Ubuntu) "KDM resets system settings from custimized to defult value" [Undecided,New] [17:44] bulldog98: looks like a duplicate of bug #798091 [17:44] Launchpad bug 798091 in kubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Default settings not applied when reverting system settings" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/798091 [17:45] allee: thanks for mentioning it, I'll try to update it in neon (we can't built it from git since bzr-git doesn't support submodules) [17:45] debfx: should we fix that? [17:45] systemsettings reverts to kde default values ignoring kubuntu-default-settings [17:45] bulldog98: sure if you know how [17:48] debfx: I guess we need to patch the *.kcfgc files to include our defaults, but that would mean, that you can’t get default kde settings [17:49] in the kcms [17:54] bulldog98: the proper solution would be to teach the code to take config file cascading into account [17:55] debfx: that isn’t possible, cause the reset feature only uses the .kcfgc files, which is intended [17:56] it should only take .kcfgc files in account, since everything else is not default [17:56] bulldog98: so we need to change the reset feature [17:57] that's certainly not what users expect [17:57] debfx: should we teach it to also use our system config path? [17:57] debfx++ [18:02] I guess it should take all config paths into account except the kde home dir [18:05] debfx: yes, we would need to do that upstream I guess [18:23] Hmm...either kcolorpicker hasnt been yet synced to finnish update mirror or it is strangely missing [18:24] apt-get returns 404 [18:24] Well, doesnt actually return but the download process returns 404 [18:24] I once had a 404 [18:24] got it on ebay for 0.50 EUR [18:24] it broke after one week [18:25] Ok. [18:25] I can sell you this one [18:26] no, I don't want another one [18:26] I grew really close with my old one [18:27] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kcolorchooser/4:4.7.1-0ubuntu2 [18:27] skfin: mirror might be updating right now [18:27] Yea [18:27] it happens [18:28] hold on to your 404 while it lasts [18:28] But Trumpetti is my favourite server and my really close friend, I wont let it down for just one 404 [18:29] And it's just 23km away and ping to there is 16ms [18:30] something tells me roundtrip with backbone server is kiling the speed there :P [18:31] Ah. Now it doesnt give me 404 [18:31] :( [18:31] trumpetti.atm.tut.fi [18:31] another 404 scared away [18:32] Tampere University of Technologies :) [18:32] trumpetti <3 [18:32] university, I have heared of this place, they have partees there [18:34] after all this rubbish talk I feel like champagne [18:38] bulldog98: anything blocking the soprano backport? or did you just not get to it yet? [18:38] yofel: shadeslayer said he was working on it [18:41] k [19:07] something *was* blocking the soprano backport, but i don't remember what it was anymore [19:08] some other package that needed backporting or sth [19:08] and someone is trying to bruteforce their way in [19:08] via ssh [19:09] lemme, guess, you have ssh listening on port 22 and 22 forwarded? [19:10] ssh is running on 22 :P [19:10] haven't put in a custom port yet [19:11] i should probably do that [19:15] shadeslayer: pingpingping [19:15] shadeslayer: you coming to uds? [19:15] is Quintasan coming to uds? [19:15] * yofel isn't coming to UDS [19:15] * apachelogger waves fist [19:15] * bulldog98 neighter [19:16] y you people never come to the uds? [19:16] despite me writing cool apps [19:16] bulldog98: did you deploy on symbian yet? [19:16] apachelogger: nope [19:16] apachelogger: nope, I don’t know which pass to tipe into the configuration of remote compiler [19:16] apachelogger: i have my GRE exam during UDS [19:18] oh dear [19:18] bulldog98: your nokia developer account details [19:18] apachelogger: you coming to UDS? [19:18] * bulldog98 tries again last time I tried it didn’t work [19:19] micahg: yup [19:19] apachelogger: great! [19:19] \o/ [19:19] bulldog98: http://i.imgur.com/8s56c.png [19:20] bulldog98: http://i.imgur.com/o5a42.png [19:20] apachelogger: me forgot to add the username to the lineedit :( [19:20] lol [19:28] apachelogger: how do I deploy to my device? [19:28] bulldog98: see documentation [19:28] help tab in qtcreator [19:36] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/125371/ [19:40] apachelogger: wot. [19:41] who from kubuntu will be at uds? [19:41] obv i can safely assume scott & riddell [19:42] maco: no scott, busy with work he is [19:42] mrow? [19:42] maco: jr, claydoh, DarkwingDuck and me from what I know thus far [19:42] scott...ever...misses uds? [19:42] Quintasan if he can get a visa [19:42] maco: apparently so [19:43] this has to be the first uds scott's missed in at least 3 years [19:43] incidentially enough I need to find a new drinking partner :( [19:43] maco: you coming? did you add yourself to the wiki yet? :P [19:43] i dont know [19:43] lol apachelogger I could take drinking up as a new hobby [19:44] buy I am not good at it [19:44] bulldog98: and that is all? :O [19:44] Sput: nvm, markey seems to have fallen asleep [19:44] he wanted to do hangoutz [19:44] g55 [19:44] apachelogger: yes. I would say remote compiler has a bug [19:44] bulldog98: I'll try in a minute or two [19:44] nigelb: having a fight with your irc client? [19:45] claydoh: about time then :P [19:45] maco: nah [19:52] nigelb: btw, I wrote a simple app using the api earlier today [19:52] should be jolly easy to make the app use the api [19:53] qt quick is awesome like that [19:53] apachelogger: \m/ [19:53] ROCK ON [19:54] apachelogger: as usual [19:54] awake? [19:54] apachelogger is always awake. [19:54] The question, is, is he sober enough to type. [19:55] Sput: :D :D :D :D [19:55] ScottK: hahaha [19:56] ScottK: I think Sput was referring to a joke only elitist google hangouters understand :P [19:56] yes, I was indeed [19:58] evening guys :) [19:59]