[02:17] <cjohnston> I've installed +1.. When trying to boot for the first time, its hanging at Starting Bluetooth.. any ideas on whats going on or how to fix?
[02:18] <silverarrow> hmm
[02:18] <silverarrow> did you check filesum and integrity on cd?
[02:18] <cjohnston> yes
[02:18] <silverarrow> good
[02:19] <silverarrow> I once had trouble when I ran updates during install
[02:19] <silverarrow> you know the ones you mark off for
[02:19] <silverarrow> major grub error
[02:19] <cjohnston> ya
[02:20] <cjohnston> im not sure why im hanging at bluetooth
[02:20] <silverarrow> what are the specs?
[02:20] <cjohnston> on my system? i dont even think it has bluetooth
[02:21] <silverarrow> yes, like ram
[02:21] <silverarrow> but if you ran the installer fine, it should all be fine
[02:22] <cjohnston> 4gb ran, a quad core prox
[02:22] <cjohnston> proc
[02:22] <silverarrow> this is first boot up?
[02:22] <silverarrow> plenty
[02:22] <cjohnston> ya.. i installed lubuntu... been running ubuntu forever
[02:22] <silverarrow> I have ran lubuntu on 3GB and duo core pentium something
[02:23] <silverarrow> I like lubuntu
[02:23] <silverarrow> I have it on an old laptop with rather minimal specs
[02:23] <cjohnston> ctrl alt delete gives me the lubuntu splash screen and then reboots.. but still stops on reboot at bluetooth
[02:23] <silverarrow> 1GB and not so powerful cpu
[02:27] <phillw> cjohnston: I've just had a quick trawl round bugs, I cannot find one that links to your problem.
[02:27] <cjohnston> :-/
[02:28] <cjohnston> phillw: it was on todays daily cd
[02:28] <silverarrow> very odd
[02:29] <silverarrow> I have sometimes had buggy installs, and a reattempt has resulted in a working os
[02:29] <jmarsden> cjohnston: You could try using the Beta1 image instead -- older, but if this is a very new bug, the beta1 ISO might work fine for you.
[02:30] <silverarrow> lubuntu install has behaved well for me on different systems, only hp has resisted, and dell
[02:30] <cjohnston> this is a dell
[02:31] <phillw> I have no bluetooth to test the betas on, but as bluetooth is a 'core' part of ubuntu I'd have expected to see it on their reporting system also.
[02:32] <jmarsden> I think that is just the last msg on screen before the hang; I'd guess the hang is actually caused by something else.
[02:32] <silverarrow> I have a blue tooth usb thing, and it works fine
[02:32] <cjohnston> jmarsden: any idea whats after bluetooth
[02:32] <silverarrow> I thought I had problems with it, but it turned out my printer has some kind of lazer light, not blue tooth lol
[02:33] <cjohnston> it does say bluetooth ok
[02:33] <jmarsden> Not really... I'd have to go dig around the startup scripts to find out, and I'm not "really" on IRC right now (busy with other stuff)...
[02:33] <cjohnston> gotcha
[02:34] <cjohnston> well.. im about to head off to bed, but im on irssi/screen, so I'll be around.. if you think of anything, ping me and I'll check it in the morning.
[02:34] <jmarsden> OK, no promises, but if I come up with something I'll do that.
[02:34] <cjohnston> Thanks
[02:34] <silverarrow> why can't I make my own wallpaper in lubuntu?
[02:35] <cjohnston> ill dl b1 too, and then i can try that in the AM
[02:36] <silverarrow> firefox has this simple function for setting any picture as wallpaper, but it will not go on the desktop?
[02:36] <silverarrow> cjohnston, it would be great to know how you make stuff work
[02:38] <silverarrow> so wallpapers in lubuntu is narrowed down to LXDE's own?
[02:38] <silverarrow> sight
[02:40] <jmarsden> silverarrow: Huh?  Right click on the desktop, click Desktop Preferences, click the icon at the right of the "wallpaper" field, then find any JPG file you want and it will become your wallpaper.  No restriction at all to "LXDE's own".
[02:43] <silverarrow> jmarsden, I remember the easy FF function worked in ubuntu
[02:43] <jmarsden> I didn't know it existed :)  Desktop prefs is not exactly hard...
[02:44] <jmarsden> But anyway, I'm not really here... I'm working :)
[02:44] <phillw> silverarrow: lubuntu uses chromium by default, owing to FF being a little bit too bloated :)
[02:44] <silverarrow> I see
[02:45] <silverarrow> I downloaded FF because of the clever flash video replacer addon
[02:45] <silverarrow> only
[02:45] <silverarrow> lol, jmarsden, I am a bit slow sometimes
[02:45] <silverarrow> thanks
[02:49] <silverarrow> phillw, I'm not stuck on FF, but there are some useful addons
[02:50] <silverarrow> the flash video replacer allows me to stream youtube and some others very well
[02:50] <silverarrow> adobe flash player is a bit jerky on minimal specs
[02:51] <phillw> silverarrow: it has taken me a while to pop over to chromium, the clincher for me was when https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/bfbameneiokkgbdmiekhjnmfkcnldhhm became available, It is a MUST for me :)
[02:52] <phillw> silverarrow: as flash is on its way out owing to html5, it is not high on my list of must haves. Not only have apple dropped it, but the new tablet version of IE will also use html5 and not support it.
[02:53] <silverarrow> last lubuntu install I stuck with chromium for a couple of months, until I was recommended the flash replacer. I think it is general mozilla so maybe it will be available for chromium?
[02:54] <silverarrow> unfortunately html5 runs equally jerky on my old system
[02:54] <silverarrow> the flash video replacer runs seamlessly
[02:54] <phillw> html5 should run faster than flash?
[02:54] <phillw> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[02:55] <phillw> you can add flash to chromium just as if to FF
[02:56] <silverarrow> hmm, maybe I should give it another go
[02:57] <silverarrow> I realize I might not get everything to work on this old laptop, at least not ideally
[02:57] <silverarrow> at some point, adobe flash player got to heavy
[02:58] <silverarrow> it is the only app not running smoothly though
[03:05] <silverarrow> how do I try html5 in chromium then? only ff and opera is listed for linux
[03:06] <jmarsden> silverarrow: In Chromium, browse to the link phillw gave and click "Join HTML5 trial" -- it's that simple.
[03:06] <silverarrow> hmm
[03:07] <jmarsden> Then browse to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l6PYC2B0Wc to see my son play some classical guitar :)
[03:08] <silverarrow> still runs a bit too slow in away
[03:09] <silverarrow> hmm, no, it runs fine
[03:09] <silverarrow> it just needed a few seconds to get going
[03:10] <silverarrow> and this is 700 MHz duron
[03:11] <silverarrow> I would say the flash replace is even better
[03:11] <silverarrow> but only on minimal specs
[03:11] <phillw> jmarsden: tomorrow he will be back asking how to get Blu-Ray to work :P
[03:12] <silverarrow> I shall add html5 to my other system to try, it is more normal
[03:20] <silverarrow> is there a difference between Chrome and Chromium?
[03:21] <jmarsden> silverarrow: yes.  Chrome is proprietary closed source, Chromium is open source.  Chrome has a few extras in it that Chromium does not... but I don't even know what they are :)
[03:22] <silverarrow> oh I see
[03:22] <silverarrow> fickely issues
[03:24] <silverarrow> this is the addon I like http://www.webgapps.org/add-ons/flashvideoreplacer
[03:45] <daniel__> hey, i'm back ;)
[03:45] <rezbd> welcome back
[03:45] <daniel__> (hopefully lubuntu release fixes the wlan problem of choosing sta instead of b43 ;) )
[03:46] <daniel__> anyway, still hoping to get some information about PCManFM
[03:46] <daniel__> my problem: i'm trying to get PCManFM to show thumbnails from raw photos
[03:47] <daniel__> (*.cr2)
[03:48] <daniel__> I now generated the thumbnails by myself but they still doesn't get displayed. Do i need to register what kind of files got thumbnails to display? Shouldn't it just search in ~thumbnails if there exist something?
[03:48] <jmarsden> daniel__: I'm not sure, but reading the code will tell you.  There may be a fixed set of file types that it does thembnails for, somewhere??
[03:50] <daniel__> jmarsden,  you might be right and i am on my way to download the libfm source :)
[03:51] <rezbd> jmarsden: good evening sir. how are you doing? :)
[03:51] <jmarsden> rezbd: I'm fine, kind of busy tonight with real life stuff, joining in here once in a while "unofficially" :)
[03:52] <rezbd> sounds like dinner party ;p
[04:05] <rezbd> jmarsden: sir let me know when you are free, I have to ask you something about bluetooth activation
[04:15] <jmarsden> rezbd: I'm not really "sir" :)   Have you read and worked with the ideas in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[04:16] <rezbd> ok SIR, gonna check it out :))
[04:16] <jmarsden> :)
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[04:39] <rezbd> I don't understand. everything is ok but why i don't find the bluetooth device :|
[04:39] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[04:39] <rezbd>  * Stopping bluetooth                                                   [ OK ]
[04:39] <rezbd>  * Starting bluetooth                                                   [ OK ]
[04:39] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$
[04:42] <rezbd> jmarsden: sir are you awake right now? :)
[04:47] <jmarsden> Yes...
[04:48] <jmarsden> So... what does    hcitool dev   say?  Did it find your device?
[04:49] <rezbd> I have followed this procedure:
[04:49] <rezbd> Older documentation:Before you begin open up the terminal and type the following:sudo apt-get install bluez && sudo apt-get install bluez-utilsRestart the bluetooth server to ensure your pc can communicate with a bluetooth devicesudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart
[04:50] <rezbd> jmarsden: hcitool dev have found my device but..
[04:50] <rezbd> ok I'm gonna run it agin from the beginning to show you the results
[04:52] <rezbd> jmarsden: yes it has found
[04:52] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$ hcitool dev
[04:52] <rezbd> Devices:
[04:52] <rezbd> 	hci0	B4:74:9F:8E:8D:1D
[04:52] <rezbd> 	hci1	00:1F:81:00:02:50
[04:52] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$
[04:53] <jmarsden> OK, so... hmm, you have two :) OK, so what exactly is the problem?
[04:54] <rezbd> but then it shows rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$ sudo bluez-simple-agent hci0 B4:74:9F:8E:8D:1D
[04:54] <rezbd> [sudo] password for rezwan:
[04:54] <rezbd> Release
[04:54] <rezbd> Creating device failed: org.bluez.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed: Page Timeout
[04:54] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$
[04:55] <rezbd> actually I have aslo connected an external bluetooth device at usb :p
[04:55] <rezbd> that's why it's showing two
[04:55] <daniel__> ok, i'm now trying to compile libfm so i get some debug output: My Problem - i see many "DEBUG()" prints in the source and i don't know how to compile that using dpkg-buildpackage so i see that DEBUG() macro output
[04:55] <daniel__> (libfm = backend from PCManFM)
[04:56] <daniel__> (the compile itself worked nicely - only missing the debug outputs)
[04:56] <jmarsden> rezbd: (I only have about 10 minutes more I can stay here... not trying to rush you, just bad timing)... the ID you need to give to bluez-simle-agent is the ID of the "other end", the remote wireless device...
[04:56] <jmarsden> I think!
[04:57] <rezbd> ok sir. good night
[04:57] <jmarsden> rezbd: Can you put the remote bluetooth device that you want to connect to into a mode where it is discoverable, and then do   hcitool scan
[04:57] <rezbd> hope to talk with you later :)
[04:58] <rezbd> ah ok
[04:58] <rezbd> i'm gonna look for it
[04:59] <rezbd> wow
[04:59] <rezbd> ezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$ hcitool scan
[04:59] <rezbd> Scanning ...
[04:59] <rezbd> 	34:7E:39:2E:D5:81	Nokia 2700 classic
[04:59] <rezbd> rezwan@rezwan-NF108-NF208:~$
[04:59] <rezbd> that's my mobile phone :)
[04:59] <jmarsden> rezbd: So it is working fine :)
[04:59] <daniel__> (ok, trying DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=debug now)
[05:00] <rezbd> jmarsden: but i don't see any option to connect with it :(
[05:00] <jmarsden> daniel__: I'm not sure that is what you need, more likely you need a way to set a DEBUG flag in a Makefile or something along those lines; I think the option you are trying is for building dbg packages that have symbol tables for debugging...
[05:01] <rezbd> any indicator or something like that
[05:01] <jmarsden> rezbd: Read the rest of the page I pointed you at.  I don't know what GUI interface exists for bluetooth in Lubuntu, I have not tried it... but you can probably do something using   sudo bluez-simple-agent hci0 34:7E:39:2E:D5:81
[05:02] <jmarsden> and so forth...
[05:02] <rezbd> ok sir. good night :)
[05:02] <rezbd> sweet dreams
[05:02] <jmarsden> Goodnight :)
[12:30] <cjohnston> What would be the command to start up the desktop with lubuntu?
[13:08] <cjohnston> phillw: jmarsden by installing b1 I was able to boot up into lubuntu.. now to run updates and see if it lasts.
[13:09] <phillw> cjohnston: cool :)
[13:11] <cjohnston> phillw: am I missing something, or does the monitor display settings not allow me to setup and have two monitors running where one is not just a clone of the other?
[13:21] <phillw> cjohnston: I still use grandr.. not sure if I should, but it works for me :)
[13:22] <cjohnston> just apt-get install grandr?
[13:22] <phillw> cjohnston: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=84
[13:22] <phillw> that should do it :)
[13:23] <cjohnston> I was enjoying 11.04 on my desktop, but unity is now kinda a requirement (you cant boot into classic) so here I am.. lol
[13:24] <phillw> I have 11.10 in a Virtual Machine.
[13:25] <cjohnston> I still have it on my laptop, and do quite like unity.. but using synergy between my desktop and laptop, having the unity bar in the middle was a pain
[13:43] <bioterror> but isnt unity like OS X
[13:44] <bioterror> and everybody wants Mac's
[13:44] <bioterror> I've seen it on television and movies
[13:44] <bioterror> and in my work all the people in the offices are talking about how mac's are fast and no problems
[13:44] <bioterror> ;)
[13:44] <bioterror> so unity cannot be that bad?
[14:51] <cjohnston> phillw: after doing all of my updates, I'm back to not being able to login.. but this time I don't even get to see that bluetooth is ok.. the screen goes blank before that
[14:59] <rezbd> jmarsden: sir my bluetooth problem is solved :)
[16:22] <svm> ls
[21:10] <nyuszika7h> DragonEyes :O
[21:12] <kosaidpo> hello guys
[21:12] <kosaidpo> i have windows and lubuntu and i wana delete windows how to do that ?
[21:12] <bioterror> with gparted for example
[21:12] <nyuszika7h> kosaidpo: you can just format Windows partition with gparted or something.
[21:13] <bioterror> I would use live media for adding the windows space for lubuntu
[21:13] <nyuszika7h> Although it's a good idea to remove it from your boot loader (GRUB, LILO, Syslinux etc.), too.
[21:13] <kosaidpo> guys and it ll boot with no problem ?? even i have the bootin things in window
[21:13] <kosaidpo> or shud i modify the fstab file ?
[21:13] <nyuszika7h> yes, it will work if you use Linux's bootloader.
[21:13] <nyuszika7h> Probably
[21:13] <bioterror> what else he would use?
[21:13] <kosaidpo> how  ?
[21:14] <bioterror> as windows has chainloader
[21:14] <bioterror> and it comes after grub
[21:15] <kosaidpo> bioterror: well what i have to do is jst format the windows partition ?? thats all ??
[21:15] <bioterror> why you want to format it?
[21:16] <bioterror> you can just remove it and add that space to your / or /home, or how ever you've partitioned your lubuntu
[21:17] <kosaidpo> bioterror: okies and i wont have prboel when ireboot ?
[21:17] <kosaidpo> problems*
[21:17] <bioterror> probably not ;)
[21:18] <bioterror> UUID <3
[21:18] <bioterror> but good night