[11:00] <sabdfl> hello all
[11:03] <dholbach> hello
[11:04] <dholbach> ok, I pinged everyone
[11:04] <dholbach> it seems our agenda page is empty
[11:04] <popey> o/
[11:06] <dholbach> I just have 2 quick updates: 1) regarding the membership process, I'm in touch with all the RMBs about setting clearer expectations and updating our documentation and hope that will make things easier in the future and 2) CC nomination period started, Liz and I agreed to put out a blog post each to remind people to nominate
[11:06] <dholbach> are there any other open threads right now?
[11:06] <sabdfl> all clear here
[11:07] <popey> newp
[11:08] <popey> well, actually
[11:08] <popey> i need to write a call for help for -users list
[11:08] <popey> I'm stepping down from moderating that once we have replacement / supplemental mods
[11:09] <popey> will run it past dholbach first :D
[11:09] <dholbach> sure, let me know if I can help
[11:09] <dholbach> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MailingLists good enough?
[11:09] <dholbach> in terms of letting moderators know what to do?
[11:10] <sabdfl> aiee, we should just shut that baby down
[11:10] <sabdfl> moderation is emotionally exhausting
[11:10] <sabdfl> but, if there are volunteers, i'll not press the point
[11:11] <dholbach> it'll be interesting to know how many subscribers it has and how many people actually and successfully find help there
[11:11] <popey> i can get that
[11:11] <popey> its ~4.8K subscribers iirc
[11:12] <popey> 4939 in fact
[11:12] <dholbach> to see if we are actually trying to improve a valuable service
[11:12] <popey> There certainly are people getting help on the list
[11:12] <ogra_> yeah
[11:12] <popey> and there is a 'community' of sorts on there
[11:12] <popey> a set of regulars who frequently offer help
[11:13] <ogra_> and people watching the actual tone etc
[11:13] <popey> yeah
[11:13] <ogra_> but thats not enough
[11:13] <ogra_> as time told us :)
[11:13] <popey> although as sabdfl pointed out elsewhere it's hard to moderate
[11:13] <ogra_> yeah, for sure
[11:13] <popey> because once someone sends a snotty mail it's already been seen by 4.9K people
[11:13] <popey> forums and askubuntu etc are far easier to moderate than this
[11:14] <dholbach> maybe popey, ogra_ and I should try to get together nominees together and see if we can improve the guidelines and see this as the final try to make the list useful again(?)
[11:14] <ogra_> well, generally you only need it for the karl L.'s in the world
[11:15] <ogra_> dholbach, moderation on that list should essentially only be used as last resort ... we had some trolls in the past that really made life hard
[11:15] <popey> I completely understand the argument that it should be shutdown
[11:15] <ogra_> general operations are fine and covered by the community ... the prob with moderation here is that you actually need to read the list
[11:15] <popey> but there's no way on earth I am proposing that! :D
[11:15]  * dholbach hugs popey
[11:16] <nigelb> popey: hehe
[11:16] <dholbach> personally, I think it's important to show that tone is important to us and if users of the list don't take that seriously, we act - I hope that that will get misguided users back on track
[11:17] <dholbach> popey, ogra_: shall we have a look at the call for help mail and mailinglist wiki page together for the next cc meeting?
[11:17] <ogra_> that should be covered by the community though
[11:17] <ogra_> (if the community is healthy that works just fine)
[11:17] <popey> dholbach: I'll have left the cc by then
[11:17] <dholbach> ok, then before :)
[11:17] <popey> I'd like to do it ASAP
[11:17] <ogra_> moderators should really only be there if you actualy cant do anything else but blocking aperson
[11:18] <popey> i did ponder maybe a monthly mail
[11:18] <popey> like people used to do on usenet
[11:18] <popey> remind people of the rules etc
[11:18] <popey> because we do get new subscribers, who maybe haven't seen the links everyone else knows
[11:19] <dholbach> it's worth a try
[11:19] <ogra_> can we do that with a fake address or so ?
[11:19] <ogra_> i.e. something that sounds official and doesnt bind it to a person
[11:20] <ogra_> listbot@ubuntu.com or so :)
[11:20] <ogra_> would prevent some potential discussion
[11:20] <dholbach> you mean for the monthly remind?
[11:20] <ogra_> yeah
[11:20] <ogra_> so the moderator doesnt get blamed for playing list police etc
[11:21] <dholbach> if it's just flaming, I personally would just ignore it - it's not worth replying to it
[11:21] <popey> yeah, you and I might not reply
[11:21] <ogra_> well, such a post will definitely cause a thread ...
[11:21] <popey> but all it takes is 0.1% of subscribers to respond to make it annoying
[11:21] <ogra_> its a question if we can keep it small or not ;)
[11:22] <ogra_> and not having a human attached to it will lower the risk of getting a big thread
[11:22] <ogra_> (ubuntu-users is a special universe ... )
[11:23] <popey> ok, so two documents need drafting, one to request mods, one a monthly reminder of the 'house rules / etiquette'?
[11:23] <popey> I'll draft those and ping ogra_ & dholbach for input.
[11:24] <dholbach> then we should make it unspecial again - personally I feel that users who object to a calm and reasonable tone should have no business on that list :)
[11:24] <dholbach> thanks popey
[11:24] <popey> I need to disappear for a bit, anything else I'm needed for?
[11:25] <dholbach> no, I guess not - any other business?
[11:26]  * AlanBell has a quick question for sabdfl 
[11:26] <ogra_> dholbach, its not the first set of users answering thaqt cause the issues
[11:26] <AlanBell> spd-say "on-eer-ric osselot" <- does that sound right?
[11:26] <ogra_> its usually the subsequent discussion escalation that causes them
[11:26] <dholbach> ok
[11:26] <dholbach> Any other business? :)
[11:27] <dholbach> if not, I think we can adjourn
[11:28] <dholbach> oops :)
[11:28] <dholbach> AlanBell, maybe take it to email? :)
[11:28] <ogra_> AlanBell, i think its: "one eye rick"
[11:29] <dholbach> "on-eer-ric" is how I pronounce it too
[11:29] <AlanBell> this is for bug 852583
[11:30]  * ogra_ likes to imagine rickspencer3 in johnny depp outfit :)
[11:30] <nigelb> Heh. Now that's what I'll think of when I say oneiric
[11:36] <dholbach> ok, I think we can adjourn now - thanks everyone :)
[11:40] <czajkowski> ogra_: you're not a well lad at all are you
[11:41] <ogra_> aint i ?
[11:44] <sabdfl> hi, sorry
[11:44] <popey> np
[11:44] <sabdfl> i think i dropped off at 12:23
[11:44] <sabdfl> popey, two docs
[11:44] <popey> ya
[11:44] <sabdfl> i'm happy to take the shutdown bullets on -users
[11:45] <sabdfl> even if it's of the 'last chance, fred's agreed to moderate, if (s)he gives up, we shut down the list'
[11:45] <popey> that sounds preferable
[11:45] <popey> rather than shutdown now
[12:16] <shattered> server team is supposed to meet now, right?
[14:51] <jrgifford> "/alias hidelevels.set set activity_hide_level parts joins quits nicks modes"
[14:52] <jrgifford> Whoops. :P
[15:31] <macer1> Hello. I am looking at ubuntu fridge calendar. But what timezone are that that hours?
[15:33] <charlie-tca> UTC
[15:33] <macer1> does google converted it for me automaticly?
[15:34] <charlie-tca> depends on your settings for google
[15:35] <charlie-tca> macer1: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ can convert any time to any other time zone
[16:01] <Ursinha> hmm. hello?
[16:01] <smoser> o/
[16:01] <smb> \o
[16:01]  * Ursinha pokes Daviey 
[16:02] <adam_g> \o
[16:02] <Daviey> hello!
[16:03]  * hallyn still waiting for laptop to boot.  damned vgscan race
[16:03] <Daviey> smoser: are you chairing?
[16:03] <smoser> i figured it might be about my turn to do that
[16:03] <smoser> i suppose i can
[16:03] <Daviey> smoser: well it is your pop queue turn :)
[16:03] <smoser> k
[16:04] <smoser> here we go
[16:04]  * Daviey notes that he and rbasak are in a call, so might not be fully here.
[16:04] <smoser> #startmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 16:04:07 2011 UTC.  The chair is smoser. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[16:04] <SpamapS> smoser: you forgot to name it. ;)
[16:04] <smoser> how?
[16:04] <smoser> #endmeeting
[16:04] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 16:04:56 2011 UTC.
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[16:05] <SpamapS> smoser: it takes an argument
[16:05] <smoser> whats our meeting?
[16:05] <SpamapS> Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
[16:05] <smoser> #startmeeting Ubuntu Server Team Meeting
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[16:05] <SpamapS> lol
[16:06] <smoser> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:06] <smoser> no action points.
[16:06] <smoser> so thats a free pass onto....
[16:06] <smoser> [TOPIC] Oneiric Development
[16:06] <Daviey> As you all must know by now we are in Beta2 freeze.
[16:07] <Daviey> With it shipping this Thursday.
[16:07] <smoser> Yes, only the great ones are allowed to upload, like zul.
[16:07] <Daviey> This is a great chance to get testing of the iso in as many ways possible.
[16:07] <Daviey> Also, we need to consolidate bugs that need fixing
[16:07] <Daviey> I notice smoser has been busy raising and fixing some nova issues, do you have any news on them landing?
[16:08] <Daviey> smoser: No, everyone can still upload.. just main fixes need to be b2 crticial.
[16:08] <smoser> i landed more changes in nova milestone branch in the past 4 days than i'd care to admit to
[16:08] <Daviey> i noticed.
[16:08] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html <- any bugs that need to be decalred there?
[16:08] <smoser> but, i'm actually pretty excited about nova's state.
[16:08]  * AlanBell goes to fix a bug in the topic handling code to prevent Meeting Meetings
[16:09] <zul> they should be in the archive today hopefully
[16:09] <Daviey> smoser: Action AlanBell to that pls :)
[16:09] <SpamapS> Daviey: I'm pretty convinced that bug 653405 is "fixed" .. but we need somebody to confirm that.
[16:09] <Daviey> I could also do with some help with things that need release noting.
[16:09] <Daviey> So if you have anything, please raise it :)
[16:10] <Daviey> hmm
[16:10] <Daviey> someone was looking at that earlier this week
[16:10] <Daviey> was it lynxman ?
[16:10] <smoser> Daviey, ...
[16:10] <smoser> bug 854614 should be on our release list
[16:10] <SpamapS> Daviey: also bug 831628 is fixed but sitting in the b2 freeze queue so will land after b2 I think.
[16:10] <smoser> this is something that JuJu views as being important.
[16:11] <Daviey> smoser: 854614 i tagged just before this meeting, thanks
[16:11] <lynxman> Daviey: wasn't me, we just need to confirm that the new version of Erlang and rabbitmq 2.5.0 works as intended
[16:11] <smoser> yeah.
[16:11] <SpamapS> Also I think we can stop tracking bug 829063 unless my concerns were addressed
[16:12] <Daviey> SpamapS: Considering how bad squid has been on upgrades, is this one worth landing for b2?
[16:12] <Daviey> As in, get it in early?
[16:12] <macer1> Hello, is this ubuntu server team meeting?
[16:12] <zul> SpamapS: the glance ssl stuff is still being reviewed upstream
[16:12] <smoser> macer1, it is.
[16:12] <smoser> welcome
[16:13] <SpamapS> Daviey: all the problems on upgrade were caused by the old upstart scripts.. hasn't been a problem since the change to use -N and drop 'expect fork' from what I can tell.
[16:13] <SpamapS> Daviey: but, if squid is not on the CD.. then yeah why not land it now?
[16:13] <Daviey> SpamapS: hmm, i thought we had to double tap an SRU for that fix?
[16:14] <Daviey> SpamapS: ok, will look the package over after the meeting
[16:15] <Daviey> Triage, Triage, Triage - not just step 1 :)
[16:15] <Daviey> smoser: move on?
[16:15] <smoser> yep
[16:15] <smoser> the other thing is ...
[16:15] <smoser> we are testing ISOs very soon.
[16:16] <smoser> Daviey, are you aware of anything that would prevenet testing of $MEDIA ?
[16:16] <smoser> utlemming would likely be interested as i believe he expects to start testing cloud-images today
[16:16] <Daviey> smoser: the candidate posted will amost certainly not be final
[16:16] <smoser> gold
[16:16] <adam_g> we should probably free up the QA test cluster from our openstack testing?
[16:16] <Daviey> So testing is still useful, don't hold out.
[16:16] <smoser> moving on then.
[16:17] <smoser> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:17] <Daviey> adam_g: The test cluster could really do with streching it to the limits.
[16:18] <smoser> The Openstack Developer Summit [http://summit.openstack.org] is in 2 weeks
[16:18] <Daviey> wow, really only two weeks away
[16:18] <Daviey> happy days.
[16:18] <smoser> UDS is actually not far off, especially if you're expecting to get flights and travel accomodations
[16:18] <zul> hopefully i can make it ;)
[16:18]  * smoser writes a memo to self to get flights
[16:18] <smoser> anything else to note ?
[16:19] <adam_g> puppetconf is this week
[16:19] <Daviey> I'll be at the London release party 13th October
[16:19] <rbasak> It seems that I'll be there too!
[16:19] <adam_g> lynxman and i will likely be giving lightning talk on juju + ubuntu server
[16:19] <Daviey> rbasak: nonoes.
[16:19] <zul> release party = booze up
[16:19] <robbiew> adam_g: sweet
[16:20] <SpamapS> Who all will be at the Openstack Dev summit btw?
[16:20]  * SpamapS raises hand
[16:20]  * adam_g <-
[16:20]  * zul me
[16:20]  * smoser raises hand
[16:20]  * SpamapS raises ttx's hand
[16:20] <zul> <-- already submitted a proposal
[16:20] <smoser> also i suspect that ttx and soren to will be there. kirkland also.
[16:20] <smoser> ok. enough chitchat. moving on.
[16:20]  * kirkland waves a thumbs up
[16:20] <smoser> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:21] <smoser> hggdh, ^
[16:21] <Daviey> o/
[16:21] <SpamapS> I have a question about getting SRU verification help on the occasional important bug..
[16:22] <SpamapS> mdeslaur was asking if we could finish the squid SRU bug 750371 so he didn't have to supersede it and I didn't know how to get it onto our QA team's radar
[16:23] <SpamapS> hggdh: ideas?
[16:23] <robbiew> :/
[16:24] <smoser> ok. then.
[16:24] <smoser> [ACTION] hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:24] <meetingology> ACTION: hggdh and SpamapS to discuss SRU verification work for bug 750371 at next meeting or before
[16:24] <smoser> anyone else have anything here ?
[16:25] <smoser> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:25] <smb> Since there was Plumbers two weeks ago and /me on holiday last week there is not much new. Still not completely happy with Xen HVM and filed bug 854829 just now. Also trying to see whether bug 854050 is somehow reproducable. And if it is whether an updated kernel would help. People seem to have a habbit of using the ami of an release without updating.
[16:25] <smoser> smb, yeah, sorry to have dumped that swap bug on you.
[16:26] <smoser> and the slew of mis-data that is the aws forums
[16:26] <Daviey> bug 790712
[16:26] <smb> smoser, no worries, just one of those which seem to happen "sometimes"
[16:26] <smoser> one happy event on that, though, the original reporter of that hit a hang
[16:26] <smoser> and called Amazon on support
[16:26] <Daviey> bug 818177
[16:26] <smoser> they told him "hardware failure"
[16:27] <smoser> Daviey, smoser there are udev issues in the ramdisk.
[16:27] <smoser> this is unfortunately nothing new.
[16:27] <Daviey> ugh
[16:28] <smoser> at least my personal feeling is that several of the "rarely does not boot" bugs are a result of udev not behaving correctly.
[16:28] <Daviey> smb: What server related kernel things do you think are viable to land before kernel freeze?
[16:28] <Daviey> lol
[16:28] <SpamapS> smoser: seems to be most often triggered by very high end storage
[16:29] <Daviey> So yes, what else do you think you can land as of 5 days ago? :)
[16:29] <smb> Daviey, Not sure that I got anything that is close pending atm
[16:29] <smoser> smb, i've just been asked for bug 761809. i would like to have that landed for oneiric.
[16:29] <smb> smoser, Is that the virtual package?
[16:29] <smoser> yes.
[16:29] <adam_g> SpamapS: negative. i hit bug #818177 anytime LVM xists ontop of my low end commodity  stuff
[16:29] <Daviey> yes
[16:30] <smb> smoser, apw has been working on having an extra package with all the other stuff. Would that be enough?
[16:30] <Daviey> smb: ogasawara added the aufs kernel module to the virtual package recently, seems we need a repeat
[16:30] <smoser> adam_g, SpamapS well some less common ratio of processor:disk-speed:disk-turn-on speed
[16:30] <Daviey> \o/
[16:30] <Daviey> we didn't know that
[16:31] <ogasawara> Daviey, smb: that was prior to the extras virtual package existing
[16:31] <smoser> smb, well that would in fact be good. but he told me to go jump in a lake once before.
[16:31] <smoser> when i asked for that.
[16:31] <smoser> would that land in oneiric ? smb?
[16:31] <smoser> oh. ogasawara is it *in* oneiric ?
[16:31] <smb> ogasawara, I think its checkid in now, right?
[16:31]  * smoser gets a clue
[16:31] <smb> checked-in*
[16:32] <apw> it is fix committed but not uploaded yes
[16:32] <ogasawara> smb: yep, committed.  not uploaded.
[16:32] <smoser> apw, that rocks.
[16:33] <SpamapS> So sounds like we need to do some intense race hunting in the initrd
[16:33] <smoser> since i have the kernel team here
[16:33] <ogasawara> smb: we have a 1 week window between beta-2 and final freeze that I'm going to plan one final kernel upload (pending approval from the release team)
[16:33] <smoser> do you think that that bug above would be acceptable for a lucid SRU ?
[16:33] <smb> Sounds a bit with the hint about a combination of lvm and slow disk...
[16:33] <ogasawara> smb: so if we need to add anything, best to do it now.
[16:34] <smoser> i'm asked by gondai in ubuntu-server.  ie, could we sru inclusion of -virtual modules for quota
[16:34] <smb> smoser, Which of the above being Lucid?
[16:34] <smoser> bug
[16:34] <smb> ogasawara, I understand if we have the extra package there is things ok
[16:34] <smoser> bug 761809
[16:34] <smoser> is what i was talking about.
[16:35] <smb> Oh so those are missing in lucid
[16:35] <smb> Probably there an inclusion of the modules is simpler
[16:36] <smoser> right.
[16:36] <smoser> i absolutely agree, but we could get that done ?
[16:36] <smb> yes
[16:36] <smoser> apw, you recently marked the task for "investigate missing modules" as DONE
[16:36] <smoser> did you add/remove anythign ?
[16:37] <apw> smoser, i don't recognise that WI title ...
[16:37] <smoser> looking
[16:37] <smoser> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-kernel-o-version-and-flavours
[16:37] <smoser> [apw] Investigate pulling 'excluded' modules for -virtual into a new binary package/udebs: DONE
[16:37] <smb> Think that was the one assigned to me and more of a for oneirc thing
[16:37] <smb> which we stopped when having the extras for that
[16:37] <apw> smoser, yes that is the one which triggered the -extras pacage
[16:38] <smoser> so is -extras *everything* such that -virtual + -virtual-extras == -server ?
[16:38] <apw> smoser, -virtual != -server, but other than that yes
[16:38] <smb> smoser, There still is a difference in what is compiled in
[16:39] <smb> (at least)
[16:39] <smoser> yeah. ok.
[16:39] <apw> the main difference is things like xeny-ness, otherwise we'd tell you to install -server
[16:39] <smoser> so i would consider all future bugs of "give me this module in -virtual" much lower priority
[16:39] <smoser> but still sometimes valid
[16:39] <smoser> ie, the aufs module and such, should be in -virtual and not require the additional 100MB of stuff
[16:40] <smoser> anyway
[16:40] <apw> smoser, you'll have to try even harder to convince us to let them in, we'll likely want to take things out to slim things down
[16:40] <smoser> i think we've beaten this.
[16:40] <smoser> apw, right.
[16:40] <smoser> i like it
[16:40] <smoser> thank you.
[16:40] <smoser> that brings us to
[16:40] <smoser> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (NCommander)
[16:40] <smoser> NCommander, around ?
[16:41] <smoser> i believe that utlemming has made some recent progress around arm
[16:41] <smoser> and maybe even zul
[16:41] <smoser> just if you wanted to brag a bit
[16:41] <Daviey> and rbasak
[16:41] <zul> smoser: im good
[16:41] <smoser> i'll brag for utlemming
[16:41] <smoser> because i think it is seriously cool
[16:41] <Daviey> NCommander: When you read this, please can you explain why you are unable to attend this slot?
[16:41] <smoser> you can now download our cloud-images from http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com and they will "just work" under qemu arm
[16:42] <jamespage> w00t
[16:42] <smoser> so if you want to just see an arm thing run, you can.
[16:42] <Ursinha> that's cool
[16:42] <smoser> yes.
[16:42] <rbasak> great!
[16:42] <smoser> ok.
[16:42] <smoser> moving on
[16:42] <smoser> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community
[16:43] <Daviey> zul: How is openstack on arm looking?
[16:43] <zul> Daviey: uh...good
[16:43] <Daviey> How is our fine community looking?
[16:43] <Daviey> (Please don't all answer at once)
[16:43]  * zul watches tumbleweeds go one by
[16:44] <utlemming> smoser: the arm qemu images are actually broken due to a kernel bug
[16:44] <smoser> boooo
[16:44] <Daviey> :(
[16:44] <utlemming> smoser: the fix has been committed, but the latest images don't have the kernel fix
[16:44] <apw> utlemming, which bug ... so i can add it to the 'why we want to upload' list, and for which branch
[16:45] <utlemming> sure...give me a minute to look it up
[16:45] <utlemming> a working qemu image can be fetched from http://people.canonical.com/~ben/images/arm.img.gz for those who want to play with one that is about a week old.
[16:46] <utlemming> Bug #852225
[16:46] <rbasak> That's a great bug title :)
[16:46] <smb> Think that one went into master
[16:46] <Daviey> Oneiric SRU?
[16:47] <smb> Daviey, Close to release. You have to really argue now
[16:47] <Daviey> smb: nah
[16:47] <smoser> "doesn't boot"
[16:47] <apw> ogasawara, ^^ that lends weight to your upload argument
[16:47] <ogasawara> apw: indeed.  /me makes a note.
[16:48] <utlemming> it only affects qemu though
[16:48] <Daviey> The arm cloud images are not part of the offical release this cycle, unless i am mistaken.
[16:48] <Daviey> If they get fixed post release as an SRU, seems reasonable
[16:48] <smb> Daviey, Mainly its a switch to not just dump stuff in but to already switch over to a more stable more with reviewing things
[16:48] <apw> but they are important
[16:48] <smoser> well, we will let ogasawara argue that appropriately. it seems we have good representation, and i trust the participants.
[16:49] <smoser> lets move on
[16:49] <Daviey> +1
[16:49] <Daviey> can we go home?
[16:49] <smoser> i am winning for longest meeting in quite some time.
[16:49] <smoser> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:49] <zul> i like turnips
[16:49] <SpamapS> +1
[16:49] <Ursinha> lol
[16:49] <jamespage> I'm a swede man myself
[16:50] <AlanBell> Daviey: fix committed
[16:50] <SpamapS> I was reading the launchpad-dev mailing list yesterday, and I saw that they have a very interesting triage process... they do not use Medium as a priority.
[16:50] <Daviey> Thanks for your input Serge
[16:50] <Ursinha> SpamapS, yes, that discussion is indeed really interesting
[16:50] <smoser> SpamapS, a link would be helpful
[16:50] <SpamapS> Critical means it has to be worked on now. High means it has to be worked on Next. Everything else is Low
[16:50] <Daviey> We are /close/ to that.
[16:51] <Daviey> Medium is almost the 'next' High stuff.
[16:51] <Ursinha> they're discussing possibly using high and medium as they almost don't do that today
[16:51] <SpamapS> I'd give you a link but the archive seems 2 days behind.
[16:52] <Ursinha> Daviey, that's how I see it too.
[16:52] <smoser> moving on then.
[16:52] <rbasak> I got the impression that Low means probably will never be worked on unless someone has a specific interest, and Medium is the general work queue
[16:53] <rbasak> (from being new to the process on the server team, not launchpad-dev)
[16:53] <smoser> i would agree with rbasak .
[16:53] <smoser> i really dont think its all that important
[16:53] <Daviey> rbasak: yeah.
[16:53] <Daviey> Crticial means, panic - all hands on deck.
[16:53] <SpamapS> Anyway, our Medium queue just for triage is massive.. and I feel like we should look at being honest that we may not ever get to it, so its a Low issue in our *work* priority.
[16:54] <Daviey> smoser: you don't think the importance is importiant?
[16:54] <SpamapS> Daviey: he gives it a Low priority is all
[16:54] <smoser> i would give imprtance a 'low' importance
[16:54] <Daviey> Anyway, you don't have to use the full hour for the meeting btw.
[16:54] <smoser> i'm not kidding.
[16:54] <smoser> we need some way to flag stuff that really matters.
[16:54] <smoser> currently that is either 'critical' or getting it onto Daviey's list
[16:54] <rbasak> smoser: as long as importance gets set, so critical stuff is separated out quick
[16:54] <SpamapS> smoser: High is just that.
[16:54] <Daviey> end meeting?
[16:55] <smoser> SpamapS, so what are we discussing ?
[16:55] <smoser> i work on bugs that are quite reasonably 'Low' before i work on ones that are 'High' at times.
[16:55] <SpamapS> pushing most things we'd normally say are "Medium" down to Low and possibly reviewing the queue more often to put them in Won't Fix status.
[16:56] <smoser> the key point above was that if someone thinks it needs fixing and works on it it will get fixed.
[16:56] <smoser> i'll agree with "wont fix"
[16:56] <smoser> but daviey wants to go home
[16:56] <smoser> so i'm not giving any more fuel to the fire
[16:56] <smoser> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:56] <smoser> Tuesday 2011-09-27 at 16:00 UTC
[16:57] <smoser> SpamapS, Ursinha i do apologize for not giving you as much time as you wanted.
[16:57] <smoser> but i really do think that everyone wants to go
[16:57] <Ursinha> that's ok
[16:57] <smoser> and i think we have another meeting scheduled next week, with another open discussion section next week.
[16:57] <smoser> #endmeeting
[16:57] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 16:57:38 2011 UTC.
[16:57] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-20-16.05.moin.txt
[16:59] <apw> o/
[16:59] <jjohansen> \o
[16:59] <sforshee> o/
[16:59] <sconklin> o/
[16:59] <smb> o/
[16:59] <tgardner> dudes
[17:00] <ppisati> \o/
[17:00] <bjf> #startmeeting
[17:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 17:00:02 2011 UTC.  The chair is bjf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:00] <bjf> ##
[17:00] <bjf> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:00] <bjf> ##
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:00] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[17:00] <bjf> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[17:00] <bjf> #       'o/' indicates you have something you'd like to add (wait until you are recognized)
[17:00] <bjf> #
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:00] <ppisati> nothing new to report this week
[17:00] <ppisati> ..
[17:00] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (ogasawara)
[17:00] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:00] <ogasawara> [17:00] <ogasawara>  * 42 linux kernel bugs (up 22)
[17:00] <ogasawara> [17:00] <ogasawara>  * 2 linux kernel bugs (up 2)
[17:00] <ogasawara> [17:00] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:00] <ogasawara>  * 15 natty linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:00] <ogasawara>  * 3 maverick linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:00] <ogasawara>  * 7 lucid linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:00] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy linux kernel bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 221 oneiric bugs (up 30)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1618 natty bugs (up 22)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1110 maverick bugs (up 23)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1010 lucid bugs (up 51)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 46 hardy bugs (up 14)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 17 natty bugs (up 1)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 40 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 79 lucid bugs (up 1)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 7 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 433 natty bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 239 maverick bugs (up 2)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 213 lucid bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 2 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara> [17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 oneiric bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 4 natty bugs (up 1)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 maverick bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 1 lucid bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara>  * 0 hardy bugs (no change 0)
[17:01] <ogasawara> ..
[17:01] <bjf> [TOPIC] Milstone Targeted Work Items
[17:01] <bjf> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/milestones.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html
[17:02] <ogasawara> || apw       || desktop-o-xorg-stakeholders-request || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || ppisati   || other-kernel-o-ubuntu-delta-review  || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> ||           || other-kernel-o-config-review        || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> || Sarvatt   || desktop-o-xorg-tools-and-processes  || 1 work item ||
[17:02] <ogasawara> If your name is in the table above, please review your Beta 2 work items.
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: General Oneiric (ogasawara)
[17:02] <ogasawara> We are currently in Kernel Freeze as well as Beta-2 Freeze.  Only high/critical issues which are deemed necessary for the release will warrant an upload at this time.  Because there is a week between Beta-2 and Final Freeze, I am going to try and upload one more kernel early next week (pending approval from the release team).  I would like to remind everyone that because we are in Kernel Freeze, all patches are subject to
[17:02] <ogasawara> our SRU policy in order to be applied.
[17:02] <ogasawara> Some important upcoming dates to keep in mind are as follows:
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * Sept 22 - Beta 2 (2 days)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  * Sept 29 - Final Freeze (~1 week)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  *  Oct  6 - Release Candidate (~2 weeks)
[17:02] <ogasawara>  *  Oct 13 - Final Release (~3 weeks)
[17:02] <ogasawara> ..
[17:02] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (apw)
[17:02] <apw> [17:02] <apw>  
[17:02] <apw> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:03] <apw>  
[17:03] <apw> Currently open CVEs for each supported branch:
[17:03] <apw>  
[17:03] <apw> || Package                                  || Open      ||
[17:03] <apw> ||                                          ||           ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux Hardy                              ||    6 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux Lucid                              ||    3 (-4) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux Maverick                           ||    3 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux Natty                              ||    3 (-8) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux Oneiric                            ||    2 (-3) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-ec2 Lucid                          ||    3 (-4) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-fsl-imx51 Lucid                    ||    3 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Lucid                     ||    3 (-4) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-mvl-dove Maverick                  ||    3 (-4) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Maverick                  ||    3 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Natty                     ||    3 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-ti-omap4 Oneiric                   ||    2 (-4) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-maverick Lucid        ||    3 (-9) ||
[17:03] <apw> || linux-lts-backport-natty Lucid           ||    3 (-8) ||
[17:03] <apw>  
[17:03] <apw> Good progress this week with nine independant CVEs triaged, fixed, and applied.  Of the
[17:03] <apw> remaining CVEs three affect all releases, two do not yet have fixes upstream.
[17:03] <apw>  
[17:03] <apw> ..
[17:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Natty/Maverick/Lucid/Hardy (sconklin)
[17:03] <sconklin> ||== Status of kernels ==
[17:03] <sconklin> ||
[17:03] <sconklin> || This is kernel prep week, and new kernels have been prepared for both
[17:03] <sconklin> || Hardy and Maverick.
[17:03] <sconklin> ||
[17:04] <sconklin> || An i915 regression was discovered last Friday in the released Natty
[17:04] <sconklin> || kernel. Investigation continues to determine whether the patch should be
[17:04] <sconklin> || reverted or whether there is a fix to be applied. This does not affect
[17:04] <sconklin> || the Natty kernel currently in testing, but may hold preperation of the
[17:04] <sconklin> || next Natty kernel until it is resolved. I expect a resolution by the
[17:04] <sconklin> || end of this week.
[17:04] <sconklin> ||
[17:04] <sconklin> || SRU kernel status:
[17:04] <sconklin> || * [[http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html|Detailed Information Here]]
[17:04] <sconklin> ||
[17:04] <sconklin> || Kernel status for each series is as follows:
[17:04] <sconklin> ||
[17:04] <sconklin> ||[17:04] <sconklin> || * [[http://launchpad.net/bugs/853945|Hardy Tracking Bug]]
[17:04] <sconklin> || * Built in PPA, awaiting copy to -proposed
[17:04] <sconklin> ||
[17:04] <sconklin> ||[17:04] <sconklin> || * [[https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/849228|Lucid Tracking Bug]]
[17:04] <sconklin> || * In Testing phase, awaiting QA and Certification testing
[17:04] <sconklin> ||
[17:05] <sconklin> ||[17:05] <sconklin> || * [[http://launchpad.net/bugs/854092|Maverick Tracking Bug]]
[17:05] <sconklin> || * Built in PPA, awaiting copy to -proposed
[17:05] <sconklin> ||
[17:05] <sconklin> ||[17:05] <sconklin> || * [[http://launchpad.net/bugs/848246|Natty Tracking Bug]]
[17:05] <sconklin> || * In Testing Phase, awaiting Certification testing
[17:05] <sconklin> ||
[17:05] <sconklin> || Current Kernel versions are available here: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html
[17:05] <sconklin> ||
[17:05] <sconklin> ..
[17:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:05] <akgraner> o/
[17:05] <bjf> akgraner, go!
[17:05] <akgraner> Hi all!  I was originally working with jjohanson on this but after speaking with him decided to come to you all dierectly.  I've worked out an arrangement with informIT to include a 6 to 7 article series on the Ubuntu Kernel.  I'll be getting in touch with you all over then next 7 to 10 days for interviews and reviews.  I just wanted you all to know that and be expecting contact from me.  I need your help to get your message out about t
[17:05] <akgraner> he Ubuntu Kernel.
[17:05] <akgraner> Thanks in advance and if you have questions or comments before I contact you just email me at akgraner ubuntu com.
[17:05] <akgraner> ..
[17:06] <bjf> thanks everyone
[17:06] <bjf> #endmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 17:06:27 2011 UTC.
[17:06] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-20-17.00.moin.txt
[17:06] <kamal> thanks bjf
[17:06] <sconklin> thanks
[17:06] <kamal> akgraner: hi Amber
[17:06] <pgraner> thanks bjg
[17:06] <akgraner> kamal, hi!
[17:06] <pgraner> s/bjg/bjf/
[17:06] <kamal> akgraner: see you in Orlando?
[17:07] <akgraner> that's was the fastest meeting I've ever attended
[17:07] <akgraner> kamal, yeppers
[17:07] <macer1> What the...?
[17:07] <macer1> 7 minutes meeting?
[17:07] <apw> we're very efficient in the kernel-team
[17:07] <akgraner> bjf, et al - awesome!
[17:07] <bjf> macer1, yes, sorry it dragged out
[17:07] <apw> :))
[17:07] <ogasawara> heh
[17:07] <Ursinha> lol
[17:07] <kamal> yeah, 7 minutes is nowhere near a record-breaker.
[17:08] <pgraner> skaet should learn from this for the ubuntu release meeting
[17:08] <apw> though if flood wasn't an issue we'd get it down even further
[17:08] <kamal> akgraner: very good -- see ya in FL.  :-)
[17:14] <macer1> what will happen if I will write #startmeeting ?
[17:15] <cking> kernel team meeting - blink and you miss it
[17:37] <lynxman> that was one of the fastest meetings I've seen
[17:37] <lynxman> akgraner: oh hai o/
[17:48] <macer1> meetingology: hello,bot
[17:48] <meetingology> macer1: Error: "hello,bot" is not a valid command.
[19:59] <czajkowski> popey: huats leogg itnet7
[20:00] <huats> hello czajkowski
[20:02] <itnet7> o/
[20:02] <itnet7> hey there!
[20:04] <popey> o/
[20:06] <czajkowski> so no agenda
[20:06] <czajkowski> any thoughts ?
[20:07] <itnet7> Not really sure what we could/should discuss (unfortunately I am kind of swamped at work which seems to be par lately)
[20:08] <paultag> me too .and on remote via phone
[20:08] <popey> I have nothing to bring up
[20:08] <czajkowski> ok
[20:08] <popey> #startmeeting
[20:08] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 20:08:45 2011 UTC.  The chair is popey. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[20:08] <czajkowski> can we all vote on any outstanding tickets
[20:08] <popey> #endmeeting
[20:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 20:08:46 2011 UTC.
[20:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-20-20.08.moin.txt
[20:08] <popey> :D
[20:08] <paultag> good meeting :)
[20:09] <czajkowski> can we all please update the last etherpad doc which will be going ont the LD
[20:09] <czajkowski> for how to set up a team please
[20:09] <paultag> i was +1 last i read it
[20:09] <popey> will do
[20:10] <czajkowski> ok
[20:10] <czajkowski> may need some padding out
[20:12] <paultag> kk i need bat. email me if anyone drops in
[20:17] <huats> I agreed too if I remember correctly
[20:17] <macer1> #startmeeting What codename do you want for 12.04 LTS?
[20:17] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Sep 20 20:17:50 2011 UTC.  The chair is macer1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[20:18] <macer1> #vote Do you want Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Codename to be "Proud Puma"?
[20:18] <meetingology> Please vote on: Do you want Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Codename to be "Proud Puma"?
[20:18] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:18] <macer1> +1
[20:18] <meetingology> +1 received from macer1
[20:19] <ashams> +1
[20:19] <meetingology> +1 received from ashams
[20:21] <macer1> Please vote :D
[20:21] <czajkowski> macer1: what are you doing
[20:22] <macer1> a small meeting
[20:23] <macer1> #endvote
[20:23] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Do you want Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Codename to be "Proud Puma"?
[20:23] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:23] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:24] <macer1> #endmeeting
[20:24] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Sep 20 20:24:00 2011 UTC.
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[20:24] <macer1> that was nice meeting :D
[20:26] <hbs> z
[20:37] <hbs> how do i join a locatio specific chat?