[00:26] <Frederick> hello folks is anyhone around?
[00:26] <Corey> A few of us.  Most are not.
[00:26] <rww> Frederick: howdy
[00:28] <rww> Frederick: something we can help you with?
[00:29] <Frederick> rww: Ive been banned from the main chan
[00:29] <Frederick> I wonder if I can be re-admited
[00:29] <rww> Frederick: why were you banned?
[00:30] <Frederick> rww: I asked from help to get a ubuntu lappy connected to the ethernet but as it was a bit customized (and I was naive to comment it) a operator said it was unsuported and I should leave I tried to talk to other people and got banned. But it should be appended to my account you should be able to see the reason.
[00:31] <rww> Frederick: I can, I was asking to get your point of view on it :)
[00:32] <Frederick> rww: I'm sad about it I really have a problem with that box and that is serious bussiness
[00:32] <Corey> Frederick: If the box is unsupported, it's unsupported.
[00:32] <Corey> Ask the question elsewhere?
[00:32] <Frederick> Corey: I could ask at #linux people ther would be friendlier thou my box is ubuntu with some custom packages
[00:33] <rww> Frederick: here's the issue as I see it, looking at the channel logs from the incident. #ubuntu is very strictly for technical support with Ubuntu (as in the operating system we distribute ourselves) and certain recognized derivatives. Other derivatives, like the one it sounds like you're using, we can't support because we don't know what changes they make.
[00:34] <rww> If I were using such a derivatives, I'd pop in an Ubuntu liveCD and try to reproduce the problem, then ask in #ubuntu if I can
[00:34] <Frederick> rww: they change the initial package set
[00:34] <Frederick> rww: but my issue was 99% something trivial
[00:34] <rww> Frederick: so it consists entirely of Ubuntu packages and the only difference is which are installed (from Ubuntu's repositories) by default?
[00:35] <rww> no configuration changes or anything like that?
[00:35] <rww> and yeah, it may seem trivial, but we have to draw the line somewhere, and "we don't ship it, so we don't support it" is that line
[00:37] <Frederick> rww: man I work for a very big company and I use ssl to get access to a very confidential system and I coukdl not manage that to work im using a vmware box now but I was really confident I could use ubuntu as my safe lappy
[00:37] <Frederick> rww: no config changes afaik
[00:37] <rww> Frederick: and there's the issue. You don't know what changes were made, and we don't know what changes were made, and neither of us have any idea if that's relevant to your problem. Hence what jrib said, put in a LiveCD and try to replicate the issue.
[00:38] <rww> and if an Ubuntu LiveCD has the same issue, then feel free to ask in #ubuntu (once we get this ban sorted out), but otherwise it's not really fair to ask us to support something that neither of us understand the details of
[00:38] <Frederick> rww: trying to do it right now on vmware
[00:39] <rww> Alrighty. If I unban you from #ubuntu, do you promise to follow that procedure (loading up an actual upstream Ubuntu instance and troubleshooting on there) when asking for help?
[00:39] <Frederick> sure
[00:40] <rww> Okay. I've removed your ban. Please try /join #ubuntu to make sure it was removed properly.
[00:41] <Frederick> thank you
[00:42] <rww> Welcome. Thanks for understanding :). (Once you're all sorted, please /part #ubuntu-ops so that we can keep track of whether people still need op assistance.)
[00:46] <Corey> rww: Nice job.
[00:46] <phillw> text book... I may copy that and use it as teaching notes.
[00:47] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops Frederick removed ban, user promised to check with Ubuntu LiveCD before asking for help in #ubuntu as a condition of unbanning
[00:49] <phillw> btw, what is the command to look at the ban list on a channel?
[00:49] <rww> phillw: /mode #channelname b
[00:50] <phillw> (01:49:42) End of ban list ... didn't think we had any active bans in place.
[00:52] <phillw> sort of half looking forward to becomming official and our 1st trolls land. all I can say is may the Lord have mercy upon the 1st troll... the rotweilers have dressed up nicely in puppy clothes :P
[02:54] <h00k> !away > mrono
[03:20] <bioterror> http://termite.apcdn.com/full/45571.gif
[03:20] <h00k> bioterror: can we help you?
[03:21] <h00k> Unit193: can we help you?
[03:21] <Unit193> h00k: I've been told to join as I'm an Lubuntu op
[03:21] <IdleOne> bioterror: are you serious?
[03:21] <h00k> Unit193: cool. Hi.
[03:21] <Unit193> Hello!
[03:21] <h00k> bioterror: if you don't have anything in here, please /part as we have a no-idle policy.
[03:22] <Unit193> He's also an op
[03:22] <bioterror> oh, sorry. wrong window it was
[03:22] <IdleOne> Who told you to join?
[03:23] <h00k> bioterror: be sure to check where you're posting things, especially as an op.
[03:23] <IdleOne> afaik #lubuntu is not yet a core channel. core channel ops are invited here by the IRCC.
[03:24] <Flannel> IdleOne: I imagine there was confusion about that given today's email thread
[03:25] <IdleOne> am I missing a subscription?
[03:25] <rww> IdleOne: ubuntu-irc was discussing the IRCC meeting agenda today
[03:25] <rww> but yes, #lubuntu is not yet a core channel and unless someone on IRCC has stated otherwise without telling the IRC Team, #lubuntu ops should not be in here
[03:26] <phillw> rww, then I will send out YET another email telling them all to leave :(
[03:26] <rww> or rather, "#lubuntu ops in here are valid targets for the idle policy, which rww only enforces on random days and leaves to discretion of other ops otherwise", but it probably ends up meaning the same thing
[03:26] <phillw> bioterror: please /part... I will be following
[03:27] <Unit193> Will do!
[04:52] <Myrtti> M0hi: hi
[04:52] <M0hi> hey Myrtti
[04:52] <Myrtti> how can we help?
[04:53] <rww> the email you received was in error, please don't idle in #ubuntu-ops unless and until #lubuntu is made a core channel, thanks
[04:54] <M0hi> rww: thanks
[04:54] <M0hi> bye all
[05:01] <tsimpson> Pici: ubottu won't reply to people it doesn't share channels with mostly because it (Encyclopedia) doesn't send any messages to people it doesn't share channels with. mostly to stop people abusing the bot to send messages to random people etc
[05:33] <Myrtti> meh
[09:47] <ikonia> hello head_victim
[09:49] <elky> head_victim, hey, if you're here because of phill's mail earlier, he's jumped the gun a little bit. the lubuntu stuff is still in discussion phase, nothing's been decided yet.
[09:52] <LjL> ikonia: do you know for sure it's illegal to use a proxy that bypasses the "security" whatever backwards country he lives in enforces?
[09:52] <LjL> if not, i don't think you should stop him from asking
[09:52] <head_victim> elky: ahh ok, and gday ikonia
[09:52] <ikonia> LjL: not at all, but he's telling me that country is blocking his use of TOR, therefore bypassing that isn't something we should support
[09:52] <ikonia> LjL: wasn't suggesting it was illegal, just not something we should be doing
[09:52] <LjL> why?
[09:52] <ikonia> same way I wouldn't help somone get around their work firewall
[09:53] <ikonia> LjL: because the official ubuntu channel shouldn't be helping users bypass restrictions by their ISP/Company/whatever
[09:53] <LjL> well you don't have to help, but i disagree it shouldn't be supported
[09:53] <LjL> the official ubuntu channels frowns upon illegal things
[09:53] <ikonia> I don't think it's something an official channel should be doing, and something that's always been non-challanged
[09:53] <LjL> if it's not illegal, why should it be forbidden
[09:53] <LjL> it's been challenged by me a number of times
[09:54] <ikonia> LjL: if you are blocked from doing something, is circumventing it in line with the intention of the project /
[09:54] <ikonia> LjL: apologies, I've never seen it challanged before
[09:54] <LjL> !dvde
[09:54] <LjL> !dvd
[09:54] <LjL> feel free to remove that factoid?
[09:54] <ikonia> LjL: if you feel it goes against it, please do
[09:55] <LjL> i feel it goes against what you think shouldn't be allowed in #ubuntu, the only difference is that i don't think it shouldn't be allowed
[09:55] <ikonia> LjL: if you feel strongly about it, lets sort it out with the team
[09:55] <LjL> and honestly i don't see that many people other than you insisting so much on things that may remotely be illegal but probably not
[09:56] <ikonia> I'm not interested if it's legal or not
[09:56] <ikonia> if your ISP puts a block on that, we should not be helping bypass it
[09:56] <ikonia> you have a choice of accepting that, getting help from somewhere else or changing ISP
[09:57] <LjL> just show me the rule that says that
[09:57] <ikonia> there isn't one, there aren't specifc rules
[09:57] <LjL> if there is not a rule, then you're free to use your common sense to decide whether or not to help people with that
[09:57] <LjL> but you shouldn't say that nobody is allowed
[09:58] <ikonia> sorry, no
[09:58] <ikonia> bypassing restrictions
[09:58] <ikonia> that's not something I believe we should be allowing in the official channel, I'd be happy to discuss it with the group to get clarification.
[09:58] <ikonia> if you want to help him, feel free to pm him
[09:59] <ikonia> sorry, that wasn't meant to sound condencending
[09:59] <LjL> i'll do something else
[09:59] <ikonia> LjL: that's uncalled for
[11:38] <elky> hi AtomicSpark. Now, I want to make something quite clear to you
[11:38] <AtomicSpark> Yes?
[11:38] <elky> You will not make comments such as your one earlier regarding whether or not someone's manner of speech or typing reflects the colour of their skin.
[11:39] <elky> Doing so is racist. We do not tolerate racism.
[11:41] <elky> Is that clear, AtomicSpark?
[11:41] <AtomicSpark> Yes.
[11:44] <elky> Ok, then you may leave here.
[11:51] <elky> @mark AtomicSpark Regarding "<AtomicSpark> Naw, he sounds pretty white. The fact that even if he used words correctly, he'd still be wrong, makes me think he's just dumb." has agreed that it is clear to him that veiled racism isn't permitted
[13:47] <nyuszika7h> Sorry for my previous edit request, it was by accident..
[13:48] <nyuszika7h> I forgot that ' !command' is also parsed by ubottu.
[13:50] <macer1> I just wanted to cancel edit request about !macer1: I was just testing.
[13:57] <ikonia> no problem
[13:59] <macer1> Can I have a factoid about me that will be saying about my launchpad profile and wiki page?
[14:02] <knome> no
[14:02] <macer1> why?
[14:02] <Pici> We don't do personal factoids.
[14:03] <Pici> 'vanity' factoids.
[14:04] <macer1> "ubuntu members" can't have it too?
[14:17] <ikonia> macer1: sorry, no-one does
[14:17] <macer1> ok, I understand
[14:17] <ikonia> thanks
[14:17] <macer1> Maybe some new feauture like...!launchpad user?
[14:18] <ikonia> no
[14:20] <macer1> :(
[14:20] <macer1> ok
[14:20] <ikonia> thanks.
[14:22] <macer1> btw, what are requirements to become op of #ubuntu channels?
[14:22] <Pici> !canibeanop
[14:23] <macer1> thanks for links, I will look at it :)
[14:25] <macer1> oh
[14:25] <macer1> first link is dead
[14:25] <Pici> topyli: your website is dead.
[14:25] <macer1> thank you google for google cache ;D
[15:25] <ikonia> jrib: that makes total sense that "compname" would = username, rather than computer name?????
[15:31] <ikonia> false
[15:32] <jrib> nice...
[15:34] <Myrtti> macer1: hiya
[15:34] <macer1> Myrtti, hi
[15:36] <Myrtti> macer1: was there anything else we could help with, or is there anything unfinished?
[15:37] <macer1> I think everything is finished ;)
[15:38] <Myrtti> ok, have a nice evening then :-)
[15:38] <macer1> Myrtti, thanks :)
[15:47] <ikonia> macer1: there is a no-idle policy in this channel, which means if you don't need anything else, we ask that you leave the channel so that others needing assistance are free to recieve it
[15:47] <macer1> ikonia, ok
[15:47] <ikonia> thanks
[15:48] <macer1> I was hoping to watch what is going on here...
[15:48] <ikonia> sorry, that's not something we allow at this time
[15:48] <Myrtti> !logs
[15:50] <macer1> ok
[15:50] <macer1> so I am leaving...
[15:50] <macer1> bye
[16:33] <ikonia> Monotoko: hello, how can we help you today ?
[16:33] <Monotoko> hey guys! I did something stupid about a week ago while playing with scripts in mIRC (pasted a bash.org quote in a lot of channels) and I got banned from #ubuntu
[16:33] <Monotoko> I accepted the ban, but I'm just wondering when I can go back in...?
[16:33] <ikonia> Monotoko: can you give me a minute please.
[16:33] <Monotoko> sure
[16:34] <ikonia> Monotoko: it will just take a few moment to grab the info I need
[16:35] <Monotoko> sure I can wait :)
[16:36] <ikonia> I don't believe that was a bash quote
[16:36] <ikonia> I believe that was you just trying to get people to close their terminal windows
[16:37] <ikonia> I don't believe it was a script either
[16:37] <Monotoko> not a bash quote, a quote from bash.org
[16:37] <ikonia> I don't believe a quote from bash.org
[16:37] <Monotoko> it's a site with a lot of funny IRC quotes
[16:37] <ikonia> and even if it was, I don't believe it was a script, as you joined and it was the first thing you said
[16:37] <ikonia> that's my personal opinion.
[16:38] <Monotoko> I connect through a BNC, I just started it up but okay...then how long is the ban for?
[16:38] <ikonia> the fact that you used your nickname to "help" the quote be funny suggests you knew exactly what you where doing
[16:38] <ikonia> the quote was "have just encounted a fatal error...press alt+f4 to fix immediatly"
[16:38] <ikonia> you set your nickname to "you"
[16:39] <ikonia> so you could do "/me have just encounted a fatal error...press alt+f4"
[16:39] <ikonia> which would give you
[16:39] <ikonia> you have just encounted a fatal error...press alt+f4
[16:39] <Monotoko> yes, it was supposed to go into another channel that's the thing...I'm not denying that it came from me
[16:39] <ikonia> have just encounted a fatal error...press alt+f4
[16:39] <ikonia> which would look like a system error on screen
[16:40] <Monotoko> it just went into every channel I was in at the time (across about 15 networks...)
[16:40] <ikonia> it was supposed to go into one channel, but you managed to hit a whole lot from what I'm seeing
[16:40] <Monotoko> yeah...a script gone wrong, and I'm sorry about it
[16:40] <ikonia> ok, so if I remove the ban now, which I'm happy to do
[16:41] <ikonia> you can assure me you will not run any scripts on the client that is connected to the ubuntu channel ?
[16:41] <Monotoko> that would be amazing, and I won't do anything like that again
[16:41] <ikonia> ok.
[16:41] <Monotoko> thank you :)
[16:42] <ikonia> ok, I've removed the ban, but please grow up and don't try to trick people into closing terminals.
[16:42] <Monotoko> will do, thank you again for removing the ban
[16:42] <ikonia> no problem.
[16:42] <ikonia> you're welcome to leave this channel and join #ubuntu
[16:42] <Monotoko> still unable to join...
[16:43] <ikonia> try again
[16:43] <Monotoko> I'm in :)
[16:43] <Monotoko> ty
[16:43] <ikonia> ok, great
[17:46] <Myrtti> this is getting old
[17:47] <ikonia> Pici: did I put a ban forward on that guy or did I mess it up
[17:47] <Pici> ikonia: different ip.
[17:48] <ikonia> so I see
[17:48] <ikonia>  *!*@173.231.43.118
[17:48] <ikonia> took me a while to find it
[19:48] <IdleOne> Lots of young people wanting to become ops/members for "vanity" reasons lately
[19:48] <IdleOne> I fear Ubuntu is going the way of Hollywood
[19:49] <oCean> Wait, there's an Ubuntu The Movie coming?
[19:49] <IdleOne> in 3D
[19:50] <oCean> Starring: All Your Fav Ops!
[20:51] <h00k> except this guy. I'll do sound and lighting.