| doad | hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection | 05:16 |
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| doad | hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection | 05:17 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 06:31 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Guest83935 | ||
| MartijnVdS | Is anyone else seeing this: | 07:37 |
| MartijnVdS | W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com> | 07:37 |
| jpds | MartijnVdS: Yes, being worked on. | 07:38 |
| MartijnVdS | OK | 07:38 |
| MartijnVdS | so it's not on my end | 07:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | MartijnVdS: Me too :) | 07:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Someone broke their key? | 07:40 |
| jpds | TheOpenSourcerer: No. | 07:41 |
| MartijnVdS | "disk full"? | 07:41 |
| MartijnVdS | "No space left on device.", sorry | 07:41 |
| daubers | Morning | 08:07 |
| MartijnVdS | \o daubers | 08:08 |
| DJones | Morning all | 08:15 |
| smittix | o/ | 08:25 |
| oimon | :( ubuntu one seems to always be flaky for me | 08:27 |
| bigcalm | Morning peeps :) | 08:28 |
| DJones | Morning bigcalm, hows the holiday going | 08:29 |
| Pernig | morning | 08:29 |
| bigcalm | DJones: back in the office today | 08:29 |
| bigcalm | So, short | 08:30 |
| DJones | Boo, Hiss :) | 08:30 |
| bigcalm | That about sums it up, yes ;) | 08:30 |
| JamesTait | Good morning, everyone! | 08:35 |
| oimon | anyone know how to fix u1 issues? #ubuntuone are all asleep | 09:02 |
| oimon | client is not receiving new files ,and status is http://pastebin.com/mLGr5dDQ | 09:02 |
| diplo | I had similair issues of that before oimon, fix was a lot of cli commands, but this was first release sort of time | 09:06 |
| diplo | Couldn't get it to sync | 09:06 |
| diplo | think i had to install ubuntuone-client-tools | 09:08 |
| * oimon installs | 09:08 | |
| diplo | I'm guessing you have them, as you have used u1sdtool -s ? | 09:08 |
| diplo | This has been a while, I'm trying to refresh myself what the issue was :/ | 09:09 |
| oimon | diplo: guess what? | 09:09 |
| diplo | --rescan-from-scratch=VOLUME_ID | 09:10 |
| diplo | Working now ? | 09:10 |
| diplo | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/u1sdtool.1.html | 09:11 |
| oimon | after installing that package, | 09:11 |
| diplo | heh \o/ | 09:11 |
| oimon | -d folllowed by a -c works | 09:11 |
| diplo | I know i had to install that before, but couldn't remember what i did with it | 09:11 |
| diplo | Maybe mine was the same :) | 09:11 |
| oimon | gonna check what's inside that package | 09:12 |
| oimon | maybe i had an old version of u1sdtool | 09:12 |
| oimon | diplo: thanks for fixing my problem :) | 09:14 |
| diplo | Well didn't fix it, but pointed you in the general direction :) | 09:17 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:25 |
| === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson | ||
| ikonia | Can any of the Dr Who geeks explain to me why Amy's daughter was part Time Lord ? | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | because she was conceived in the TARDIS | 09:41 |
| ikonia | is that the real explained reason ? | 09:41 |
| MartijnVdS | yes | 09:41 |
| ikonia | wow | 09:41 |
| oimon | it's about as good as you will get | 09:41 |
| ikonia | thank you for explaining the randomness | 09:42 |
| oimon | also, it's probably why the doctor can now keep on regenerating | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | ikonia: they used different words.. something about "spending their honeymoon in the tardis" | 09:42 |
| ikonia | keep on regenerating ? | 09:42 |
| oimon | cos she gave her future regenerations to him | 09:42 |
| daubers | oimon: Though they have made a couple of references to "No more regenerations" | 09:42 |
| ikonia | MartijnVdS: I know what your saying though | 09:42 |
| ikonia | oimon: he should have been able to regenerate for $X ammount of time before anyway | 09:42 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: those were in the old series | 09:43 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: In this series it was said a few times | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | yes but no hard limit was given | 09:43 |
| oimon | originally there were a fixed number, but since RTD all rules got rewritten (grrr) | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: the number used to be _12_, current Doctor is 11 | 09:43 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: When he nearly died earlier in the series the tardis told him "No regenerations available" | 09:43 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: because he was poisoned. | 09:44 |
| oimon | TARDIS probably needed a reboot | 09:44 |
| oimon | i think that happened too | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: What, you think it runs TARDOWS? Not TARDOS X? :) | 09:44 |
| oimon | i gave up watching dr who for the whole of the catherine tate series | 09:45 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: If it ran TARDOS X, then you could easily change user passwords to gain root privs now | 09:45 |
| MartijnVdS | oimon: the new Doctor is good. Moffat++ | 09:45 |
| oimon | there seem to have been a lot of quirky episodes lately | 09:45 |
| diplo | Not to many spoilers peeps, just about to start watching series 1 :P | 09:45 |
| dogmatic69 | is it safe to say ubuntu x.04 is always LTS | 09:46 |
| oimon | MartijnVdS: i'm back in the game when RTD left | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | and x.10 is not LTS | 09:46 |
| daubers | Also, seen this http://osxdaily.com/2011/09/19/change-password-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-without-knowing-current-password/ ? Made me giggle | 09:46 |
| daubers | !LTS | 09:46 |
| lubotu3 | LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) | 09:46 |
| oimon | !release | 09:46 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 09:46 |
| dutchie | dogmatic69: only if x is even | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | ah | 09:46 |
| dogmatic69 | thanks | 09:47 |
| popey | Mor/27 | 09:48 |
| popey | bah! | 09:48 |
| oimon | lol | 09:48 |
| popey | Morning btw :D | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | hi popey | 09:48 |
| drussell | dogmatic69: i.e. LTS release every 2 years, 2008, 2010 next one 2012 ;o) | 09:51 |
| drussell | dogmatic69: and xx.04 | 09:52 |
| dogmatic69 | sup popey | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | morning all | 10:12 |
| * czajkowski kicks davmor2 get back to work you | 10:20 | |
| * davmor2 passes the message back to czajkowski with knobs on :P | 10:21 | |
| * dogmatic69 got his motorcycle license yesterday :D | 10:42 | |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69 | someone here was giving me some info about getting it | 10:42 |
| dogmatic69 | 1st time.. mod 1 + 2 on the same day | 10:43 |
| BigRedS | whoop! | 10:43 |
| BigRedS | I've a CB500 I'm about to try to sell... :) | 10:43 |
| dogmatic69 | replacing it with... ? | 10:44 |
| BigRedS | Oh, I've already got an ST1100 and a CX500 as well | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | hehe | 10:45 |
| BigRedS | I'm not sure which one replaced the CB, but I use the ST and the CX isn't worth enough to justify selling it | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | rode a GS500 for my test, they are pretty cool | 10:45 |
| dogmatic69 | though it would be crap, but no | 10:46 |
| BigRedS | Ah yeah, were you riding a 125 beforehand? | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69 | nope, direct access | 10:46 |
| dogmatic69 | could not stand to ride a 125 for two years | 10:47 |
| diplo | dogmatic69: Can I ask how much it cost you ? | 10:49 |
| diplo | Want to take mine, was riding for 5-10 years then stopped, took my CBT 3 times but never got round to taking my test | 10:50 |
| diplo | Had a few bikes without a license ( not something I'm proud of ) but want to get a license now I'm single | 10:50 |
| BigRedS | dogmatic69: hm? No I mean on l-plates. Either way, you're only restricted to 33bhp for two years, which is approximately a modern 250, or a restricted 500 | 10:51 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: not on a direct access | 10:51 |
| dogmatic69 | you do the test on a 500 and can ride a busa the same day (if you pass) | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | no, but there's no way to pass a test and remain restricted to a 125 | 10:51 |
| BigRedS | you're either DAS and can ride whatever, or non-das and restricted to 33bhp | 10:52 |
| dogmatic69 | ye | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69 | if you do the test on a 125 you are restricted for 2 years | 10:53 |
| dogmatic69 | diplo: it cost me +- £700 from nothing to DA | 10:53 |
| diplo | What I don't understand is why I have to take a theory when I have been driving for nearly 20 years! | 10:54 |
| dogmatic69 | that is theory, CBT, 1 day DA training, mod 1, mod 2 | 10:54 |
| BigRedS | yeah, it's just you saying "could not stand to ride a 125 for two years" when I asked whether you rode a 125 previously | 10:54 |
| BigRedS | which confused me | 10:54 |
| dogmatic69 | ive been riding for years so 1 day training was good, you could need 4 or 5 at 150 pd | 10:54 |
| diplo | Hmm, £700 :( - May see if I can spread mine out :/ | 10:54 |
| BigRedS | anyway, I suspect it really doesn't matter :) | 10:54 |
| dogmatic69 | diplo: ye you dont have to pay at once, i just did cos i wanted it all booked an stuff. was just over 1 month from start to end | 10:55 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: can you bring a live cd with you on thursday PRETTY PLEASE | 10:55 |
| dogmatic69 | BigRedS: ah, ye i had a bike in South Africa, here I had not ridden till the CBT / DA training | 10:56 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: what version? | 10:56 |
| dogmatic69 | and I got a RVF 400 in the garage so DA was the only way | 10:56 |
| diplo | Where abouts in UK are you dogmatic69 ? | 10:56 |
| dogmatic69 | bham | 10:56 |
| dogmatic69 | the school i went to is REALLY good | 10:57 |
| diplo | All my mates who ride passed when I should have taken my test :) | 10:57 |
| dogmatic69 | ^ bike school... | 10:57 |
| dogmatic69 | hehe | 10:57 |
| diplo | So don't know anyone to recommend somewhere locally | 10:57 |
| diplo | Will pop into local bike shop | 10:57 |
| dogmatic69 | where are you? | 10:58 |
| diplo | Near Bath ( Bristol ) | 11:00 |
| diplo | Placed called Trowbridge | 11:01 |
| diplo | Never sure how well people no the southwest, basically 10 miles outside of bath | 11:01 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: Natty would be safest please | 11:03 |
| dogmatic69 | ah ok, never been there so would be no help at recommending a place. I found these guys on google | 11:03 |
| dogmatic69 | i used http://www.rmtnet.co.uk/index.html could even call them and ask for advice | 11:04 |
| diplo | I've only found one bloke so far from Google that I see around a lot, http://www.ablemotorcycletraining.co.uk/ | 11:05 |
| diplo | But it's not a all in one place | 11:05 |
| diplo | Why do all these companies have such bad websites :) | 11:05 |
| AlanBell | czajkowski: no problem | 11:05 |
| diplo | Ta for link | 11:06 |
| dogmatic69 | diplo: the guys i pasted are a one stop shop, from cbt -> expert track | 11:08 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: thanks | 11:09 |
| diplo | Bookmarked ta, will chat locally and see what people say and if no help with ask if they can give any assistance. | 11:11 |
| czajkowski | so who's coming for drinks on thursday in london for the happy hour ? | 11:17 |
| czajkowski | eh ? | 11:17 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Not me. | 11:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Am out for a curry with the Digital Dogs. An un-networking group. | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: technically lucid would be the safest :P | 11:26 |
| directhex | hardy! | 11:28 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: nah natty is grand | 11:30 |
| czajkowski | oneiric dont see eye to eye daily so not using that as work machine | 11:30 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Maverick FTW! | 11:31 |
| * diplo is still on Maverick | 11:31 | |
| oimon | surprised to see that nvidia users don't see the ubuntu splash when booting natty :S | 11:31 |
| czajkowski | TheOpenSourcerer: so did you have hear attacks at the weekend | 11:31 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | nah - was always going to be a walkover ;-) | 11:32 |
| gord | oimon, yeah they do, its just not a pretty splash | 11:32 |
| oimon | gord: oh. my machine shows black screen until login prompt | 11:32 |
| oimon | nouveau and nvidia drivers | 11:32 |
| czajkowski | TheOpenSourcerer: heh ok | 11:33 |
| bigcalm | Something odd happening with my cable connection - nothing new but annoying | 12:05 |
| bigcalm | Yep, everything is struggling to connect | 12:07 |
| Aquix | you get reasonable ping? | 12:17 |
| bigcalm | Packet loss | 12:21 |
| bigcalm | Lots of it | 12:21 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/693729/ | 12:21 |
| bastubis | ack, nothing syncs on oneiric! | 12:21 |
| Aquix | bigcalm oh, any technical news on your isp's website? packet loss is no good | 12:22 |
| bigcalm | Aquix: funny thing is, can't get to the status site :) | 12:23 |
| Aquix | lol, | 12:23 |
| Aquix | what isp? I can check.. | 12:23 |
| bigcalm | Finally loaded, no issues reported for my region | 12:24 |
| Aquix | I would call them. It's strange, my isp had tech worries tonight 1-4 am. maybe a server software update or something :) | 12:25 |
| bigcalm | Experience shows that phoning VM is a waste of time | 12:27 |
| bigcalm | Tis a bit better now | 12:27 |
| Aquix | yeah, depends who answers on the other end. my isp have a twitter account, that helps loads. Also one time I called the tech section I was called a noob for using ubuntu and not Fedora :) | 12:30 |
| ali1234 | typical fedora user | 12:30 |
| AlanBell | Aquix: I dream of having an ISP where that happens!" | 12:31 |
| Aquix | yeah, I just call fedora red hats training girl, that gets them raging :) | 12:33 |
| oimon | Aquix: what's the name of the iSP? | 12:56 |
| Aquix | it's norwegian. | 12:57 |
| Aquix | whois me | 12:58 |
| oimon | ah, was hoping they were UK | 12:59 |
| Aquix | must be some good isp's in uk? | 13:00 |
| dogmatic69 | bt has been good for me | 13:01 |
| oimon | i guess. you get what you pay for. and, since i'm out of the house most of the day and don't download much, i use a cheap and nasty isp instead | 13:01 |
| * popey hugs Virgin Media | 13:01 | |
| * oimon has burned that VM bridge | 13:02 | |
| * dogmatic69 wants this ISP http://i.imgur.com/Ikvnu.png | 13:02 | |
| kirrus | Virgin media's support has been atrocious in the past. They work fine when it's all working, but hope you never get a problem :( | 13:02 |
| oimon | kirrus: +10 | 13:03 |
| BigRedS | Surely how well the support works when everything's all working is mostly moot? | 13:03 |
| oimon | exactly | 13:03 |
| popey | yup | 13:03 |
| popey | works fine for me :D | 13:03 |
| popey | oooh, reminds me, I should upgrade my modem | 13:03 |
| oimon | and if they aren't interested in fixing your problem then find another | 13:03 |
| * hamitron likes demon internet | 13:03 | |
| kirrus | BE's support seems fairly proficient, from when I've had to call them. They even accepted traceroute information... ;) | 13:04 |
| oimon | VM's performance tends to be geographical | 13:04 |
| popey | yup | 13:04 |
| popey | luckily I'm in a decently cabled area | 13:04 |
| oimon | dogmatic69: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492537440.png | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | :O | 13:05 |
| oimon | i think speedtest only use 100Mbit servers to test | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | is that at work or home? | 13:06 |
| Aquix | I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price. | 13:06 |
| oimon | work. where i spend most of my time | 13:06 |
| * hamitron thumps oimon for having such good internet | 13:06 | |
| oimon | it's actually 1Gb but speedtset can't keep up | 13:06 |
| hamitron | my line is having a good day today | 13:07 |
| hamitron | got nearly 1mbit | 13:07 |
| hamitron | :) | 13:07 |
| Aquix | oimon I'm jealous. you feel the need to constantly download things? | 13:07 |
| oimon | not at all ..except linux ISOs | 13:08 |
| oimon | and distro mirrors | 13:08 |
| Aquix | ofcource. need those distros | 13:08 |
| hamitron | "having fast internet reduces downloads, due to never wanting to queue things" | 13:08 |
| hamitron | reckon there is a case for that? | 13:09 |
| Aquix | yup | 13:09 |
| Aquix | I had an old crappy pc with a 37 Gb disk for many months of 2006. It changed my habits alright. | 13:09 |
| hamitron | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492546113.png | 13:11 |
| hamitron | I like the ping ;/ | 13:11 |
| dogmatic69 | unlucky... | 13:11 |
| hamitron | tbh, it is good | 13:12 |
| dogmatic69 | "slower than 82% of UK..." | 13:12 |
| dogmatic69 | ... | 13:12 |
| hamitron | not really | 13:12 |
| hamitron | most my friends with higher bandwidth, have a slower latency | 13:13 |
| dogmatic69 | i will be happy when my local apt-get upgrade is the same as my servers... | 13:13 |
| Aquix | hamitron see my tip on playing the isp 1/2 a page up :) | 13:13 |
| Aquix | it works | 13:13 |
| hamitron | Aquix, how would play ISP help me? | 13:13 |
| hamitron | playing* | 13:13 |
| Aquix | <Aquix> I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price. | 13:13 |
| hamitron | I pay for upto 8 mbit | 13:14 |
| hamitron | just the adsl max service | 13:14 |
| hamitron | but so long as it stays stable, I don't care really | 13:14 |
| popey | i switched from NTL Cable to ADSL and got 2Mb, then they 'upgraded' me to ADSL Max which dropped me to about 700K/s in each direction | 13:15 |
| popey | so i went back to cable | 13:15 |
| popey | \o/ 30Mb/3Mb | 13:15 |
| Aquix | I get as much as the line can take now, so I get different speeds all the time. | 13:15 |
| hamitron | I will switch to something better, if it moves into my area ofc | 13:15 |
| hamitron | :) | 13:15 |
| hamitron | same aquix | 13:15 |
| oimon | i wonder if there's geeks out there for whom the major factor when choosing a house is the distance from the exchange? | 13:16 |
| Aquix | ah, ok, then no cap to play really | 13:16 |
| gord | you wonder? its the first thing i check | 13:16 |
| oimon | :D | 13:16 |
| hamitron | I have considered moving | 13:16 |
| hamitron | haha | 13:16 |
| Aquix | same here | 13:16 |
| popey | yeah, i checked before we bought our place | 13:16 |
| popey | but I spotted the NTL box on the outside of the house so knew they had it | 13:17 |
| dogmatic69 | mine (at work) is http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492555038.png | 13:17 |
| oimon | when you have kids it gets substituted for good schools..just saying | 13:17 |
| Aquix | I can live on easter island if I got good internet | 13:17 |
| popey | heh, we didnt move for school | 13:18 |
| hamitron | tbh, so long as you get 512k, it is ok and then can take other things into account | 13:18 |
| popey | got my wife a job there so she can take them every day :D | 13:18 |
| oimon | \o/ win-win. | 13:19 |
| oimon | my dad was a teacher at my school. i got lifts every day | 13:20 |
| hamitron | I dunno if I'd benefit from greater bandwidth tbh, with all these download caps in place | 13:20 |
| hamitron | do you guys hit the caps often? | 13:20 |
| popey | nope | 13:21 |
| hamitron | I get 60Gb a month | 13:21 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:21 |
| popey | i have no idea how much I have | 13:21 |
| Aquix | Thats nothing. I have unlimited. | 13:21 |
| DJones | Mine is unlimited as well | 13:22 |
| Aquix | don't really need speed when you have a cap. | 13:22 |
| hamitron | what bugs me, I now have no tv, so it is Satalite or Streaming | 13:22 |
| hamitron | and 60Gb is not good for streaming | 13:22 |
| hamitron | even if I had the bandwidth | 13:22 |
| dogmatic69 | hamitron: bt is 100% uncapped | 13:22 |
| dogmatic69 | hit close to 100 gigs monthly with no complaints from them | 13:23 |
| hamitron | how much per month? | 13:23 |
| kirrus | BT are worse than VM. They've really stuffed my account up, twice, seriously. | 13:23 |
| dogmatic69 | £20 with phone and free calls | 13:23 |
| hamitron | :-o | 13:23 |
| hamitron | I pay £25 for just internet | 13:23 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:23 |
| popey | http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy.html | 13:23 |
| dogmatic69 | my moms been with them for 2 or 3 years and it just works | 13:23 |
| popey | 10000MB between 10AM and 3PM apparently | 13:24 |
| hamitron | £45 per month line rental with 500 mins of calls | 13:24 |
| dogmatic69 | in 1.5 years its been down once, and that was the middle of the night | 13:24 |
| popey | mmmm 50Mb | 13:24 |
| dogmatic69 | hamitron: the bt i got is ~ 20mbit | 13:24 |
| oimon | when my router loses ppp connection, i wonder, is it my router or more likely the ISP equipment? | 13:24 |
| hamitron | dogmatic69, ADSL2? | 13:25 |
| oimon | happens 1x per week and i need to reboot router | 13:25 |
| dogmatic69 | hamitron: o.o | 13:25 |
| hamitron | when I priced stuff up last time, the 8mbit service cost more than the 20mbit | 13:26 |
| hamitron | and I don't get the 20mbit | 13:26 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:26 |
| dogmatic69 | think its called 'Unlimited Broadband and Calls' | 13:26 |
| dogmatic69 | http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25633 | 13:26 |
| DJones | I pay £10/month for up to 20mbit, averages about 10mbit, no caps, but thats part of a bundle having Sky tv | 13:26 |
| popey | veryveryverylongurl.bt.com | 13:26 |
| dogmatic69 | say 28 there, but told them we going some other place and they dropped the price | 13:26 |
| Aquix | can I ask where abouts this is hamitron ? | 13:29 |
| hamitron | East Yorkshire | 13:29 |
| hamitron | tbh, I don't think that call package is good value | 13:30 |
| hamitron | and I didn't organise that | 13:30 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 13:30 |
| * daubers thinks they're all charlatans in their own way | 13:30 | |
| Aquix | daubers is very right. | 13:31 |
| hamitron | I was cross when i was told 5 weeks after having signed up to it, for a 2 year contract | 13:31 |
| Aquix | hamitron yeah, shop around. | 13:31 |
| daubers | tbh, the sooner some crazy rich person puts a stalactite in orbit that I can hitch all my net traffic through for free the better | 13:31 |
| * Hippychick pokes her head in | 13:31 | |
| hamitron | aquix, locked into contract now | 13:32 |
| * popey tickles Hippychick | 13:32 | |
| hamitron | stupid women getting taken in by telephone sales calls | 13:32 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:32 |
| * Hippychick laughs | 13:32 | |
| daubers | hamitron: Sell them something back \o/ | 13:32 |
| hamitron | so now I gotta put up with it | 13:32 |
| Aquix | hamitron well, internet is a man thing, let her know that | 13:32 |
| hamitron | yeh | 13:33 |
| hamitron | I organise the internet | 13:33 |
| hamitron | ;) | 13:33 |
| Aquix | she does the rest :) | 13:33 |
| Aquix | lol | 13:33 |
| oimon | beta 2 out on 22nd? | 13:33 |
| hamitron | tbh, phone line is my area | 13:33 |
| hamitron | but I was away when the salesman rung | 13:33 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:33 |
| hamitron | *sighs* /o\ | 13:33 |
| * MartijnVdS saw the fibre company digging around the corner this morning | 13:33 | |
| oimon | hamitron: you have 14 days to change your mind thou | 13:34 |
| hamitron | I was only told 5 weeks after | 13:34 |
| daubers | MartijnVdS: So you'll have no power when you get home :) | 13:34 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: ssh to home works fine, strangely :) | 13:34 |
| Aquix | hamitron call then up and sound pissed. and say, what is this? I thought this was 2011. | 13:34 |
| hamitron | tbh, I cba | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | daubers: but I'm expecting a "We want to come in and install fibre" letter any day now | 13:34 |
| hamitron | :D | 13:34 |
| hamitron | Aquix, my main worry is the long contract... in case another provider moves into my exchange | 13:35 |
| Aquix | calculate how much the fee for exiting is compared to what you want. | 13:36 |
| hamitron | well, there is nothing I want atm | 13:36 |
| hamitron | ;) | 13:36 |
| oimon | i dont' want to pay for a phone line :( | 13:36 |
| hamitron | BT were rude and decided to automatically put us in bold in the yellow pages | 13:37 |
| hamitron | that cost a fair bit too | 13:37 |
| hamitron | I got 6 months refund on that | 13:37 |
| oimon | any extra business as a result? | 13:37 |
| hamitron | no | 13:38 |
| hamitron | we don't get any business from the yellow pages tbh | 13:38 |
| oimon | does it still exist in paper format? | 13:38 |
| Aquix | sure | 13:38 |
| hamitron | technically, yes | 13:38 |
| hamitron | but it is kinda crap | 13:38 |
| Aquix | prabably have to order it tho.. loads of oldies that wants it | 13:38 |
| hamitron | you don't get put under the business sections unless you pay for it | 13:38 |
| oimon | i get phone directory and other such stuff put on my doormat instead of straight in the recycle bin | 13:38 |
| oimon | phone book is rather thinner noawadays | 13:39 |
| hamitron | online phone directory should be banned imo | 13:39 |
| oimon | facebook? | 13:39 |
| Aquix | ban phone directory? | 13:39 |
| hamitron | Aquix, just online | 13:40 |
| popey | Aquix: ignore hamitron, he wants us to all go back to the stone age :D | 13:40 |
| hamitron | due to how some companies use the data provided by BT, we often get phone calls at 3am from people in pain | 13:40 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:40 |
| oimon | i have to write a document before 4pm :( i've been putting it off for a week :( | 13:40 |
| Aquix | public is publis, don't see the distinction | 13:40 |
| hamitron | popey, you try getting phone calls at 3am | 13:41 |
| hamitron | ;/ | 13:41 |
| hamitron | we are clearly under "dental equipment" in the business directory.... and when someone searches online for "dentist", we show up :/ | 13:41 |
| oimon | i sometimes get weird calls at 3am and they always sound like foreign skype users | 13:42 |
| Aquix | hmm, that is a different matter. | 13:42 |
| oimon | or mental people | 13:42 |
| Aquix | floss weekly people calling? | 13:42 |
| Aquix | :p | 13:42 |
| hamitron | this isn't mental, just computer data organisation failure | 13:42 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:42 |
| hamitron | we've started to just shout abuse at them tbh | 13:42 |
| hamitron | morons with tooth ache never listen | 13:43 |
| oimon | what would be nice is a caller whitelist between 10pm-9am | 13:43 |
| popey | hah | 13:43 |
| hamitron | it would | 13:43 |
| oimon | aloow from whitelist, deny from all, | 13:43 |
| Aquix | I have been asking for a controlable mobile firewall for years. | 13:44 |
| oimon | asterisk would prob do it | 13:44 |
| popey | can you not ask them where they got your number? | 13:44 |
| popey | and then get that site changed? | 13:44 |
| hamitron | popey, google | 13:44 |
| hamitron | popey, lots of sites with phone numbers, get the data from bt.... bt have the correct information | 13:44 |
| hamitron | popey, but sadly, a lot of these sites put all "dental" companies under "dentist" | 13:44 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:45 |
| Aquix | funny, the two biggest newspapers in my town is ba.no and bt.no :) | 13:45 |
| hamitron | normally we'd just put answer phone on, but had to be on call for members of the family lately | 13:46 |
| hamitron | so when getting woken up at 3am, I am kinda ratty ;/ | 13:46 |
| Aquix | yup, a mobile phone firewall should have been made in 1996, | 13:47 |
| hamitron | but this is what the new "modern" way is like, lots of information at your finger tips | 13:47 |
| hamitron | just a shame a lot of it is not right | 13:47 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:47 |
| Aquix | don't mix computers and mobile phones. phone tech is crap feature wise. | 13:48 |
| hamitron | well, this is computers | 13:48 |
| hamitron | not mobiles | 13:48 |
| Aquix | crap computers. | 13:49 |
| hamitron | online business searches | 13:49 |
| hamitron | don't use them | 13:49 |
| hamitron | ;) | 13:49 |
| oimon | it comes down to people at the end of the day | 13:50 |
| hamitron | especially if you live near me and have toothache at night | 13:50 |
| hamitron | oimon, indeed | 13:50 |
| Aquix | people make tech | 13:50 |
| oimon | check this out. i asked for a bracket to be installed, and this is what they did. http://ubuntuone.com/5GKHfnkhyeNYwBqCNF74JB | 13:50 |
| hamitron | :| | 13:51 |
| oimon | it's also upside down | 13:51 |
| oimon | it was a brand new wall | 13:51 |
| hamitron | was gonna ask if you held the camera upside down | 13:51 |
| hamitron | ;) | 13:51 |
| Aquix | yellow plugs are too short. they should have used re ones, they are longer | 13:51 |
| * Aquix electrician | 13:51 | |
| oimon | luckily the monitor will hide it. i have more work to do but will prob do it myself and face the consequences | 13:52 |
| oimon | it sucks when you work with people who (1) can't do their job properly or (2) don't care | 13:52 |
| hamitron | who installed that? | 13:53 |
| hamitron | like wtf | 13:53 |
| hamitron | haha | 13:53 |
| * Hippychick falls under catagory 2 at the moment... | 13:53 | |
| oimon | a maintenance guy ..it's his actual job to do this | 13:53 |
| oimon | public sector fail | 13:53 |
| oimon | it's just not funny | 13:53 |
| oimon | the IT support is just as bad, and they want to centralise our teams into their faildom | 13:54 |
| hamitron | I dunno if to smile or cry | 13:54 |
| hamitron | :/ | 13:54 |
| oimon | or turn into hulk | 13:54 |
| oimon | i used to be happy care-free :D | 13:54 |
| oimon | although popey won't believe that | 13:55 |
| hamitron | I rant too often, and I am sure it is not good for me | 13:55 |
| oimon | he thinks i'm a sourpuss | 13:55 |
| Aquix | they didn't ever fill the holes, you get plaster on tube for that, If I drill a hole wrong, you might not notice. | 13:55 |
| oimon | Aquix: surely they could pull out the rawl plugs and replace them? why re-drill? | 13:56 |
| popey | hahah | 13:56 |
| Hippychick | wooo refund pn internet \o/ | 13:56 |
| hamitron | I'd have moved the bracket to the right, to hide the crap hole ;) | 13:57 |
| Aquix | oimon sometimes the plugs are hard to get out. I don't blame them for that, only for leaving their job looking like crap | 13:57 |
| oimon | and upside down vesa bracket :( | 13:57 |
| oimon | i should have mounted the monitor upside down and done some xrandr :) | 13:57 |
| oimon | until it falls on a students head...:-\ | 13:57 |
| hamitron | oimon, added bonus | 13:57 |
| hamitron | ;) | 13:58 |
| shauno | heh, gossip from the smoking area .. chap explaining how he set up this you-buntu 10 thing as a media box for his telly. says he has no idea what he's doing, but you can just copy & paste all the commands off the internet | 13:58 |
| oimon | probably increase their grades | 13:58 |
| shauno | not entirely sure if this is a good thing or not | 13:58 |
| Aquix | oimon slowly get the screws out and turn it. but if the screw turns and turns when remounting, it's no good. | 13:58 |
| oimon | it's good, he's evangelising with the zeal of a new believer | 13:58 |
| diplo | heh always a good thing shauno | 13:58 |
| diplo | yeah better put by oimon | 13:58 |
| diplo | :) | 13:58 |
| shauno | was tempted to get them to try mythbuntu, but they think I'm normal, so I try to keep up the illusion | 13:59 |
| hamitron | oimon, is this why public sector buildings have to be re-built so often? they drill loads of holes in it, weakening the structure? ;/ | 13:59 |
| diplo | XBMC tbh is a much nicer interface if you don't want live telly | 13:59 |
| hamitron | oh noes | 14:00 |
| hamitron | I'm late | 14:00 |
| oimon | hamitron: dude, they dismantled a concrete ramp outside our building - took 2 years. they replaced it with another one | 14:00 |
| diplo | Didn't say you are a user ? | 14:00 |
| hamitron | bbl o/ | 14:00 |
| hamitron | oimon, hahahhah | 14:00 |
| * hamitron gone | 14:00 | |
| * oimon gets back to his work | 14:01 | |
| Aquix | sometimes I wish the internet could go down for some days so I could read some books.. | 14:02 |
| shauno | you should try my isp then :) | 14:02 |
| Aquix | lol.. | 14:03 |
| shauno | my little 3g dongle sees more use at home than anywhere else :/ | 14:03 |
| diplo | Read in bed Aquix ? I probably read 2-3 chapters a night | 14:04 |
| Aquix | isn't 3g super expensive? | 14:04 |
| Aquix | diplo I try but I only get 2 sentences done | 14:04 |
| * Aquix zzzzzzz :) | 14:04 | |
| diplo | Like my ex wife, she would start reading and drop off on the first page | 14:05 |
| shauno | mine's actually not too bad. on the dongle, I pay 20eur for 20Gb | 14:05 |
| oimon | i read on the train | 14:05 |
| shauno | it's on the phone that the exact same data gets charged in pounds of flesh | 14:05 |
| diplo | I probably spend an hour reading before I drop off | 14:05 |
| oimon | compelled to do something for 30 mins each way | 14:05 |
| Aquix | yeah, I live to close to work. | 14:06 |
| Aquix | and I bicycle | 14:06 |
| diplo | audio books? | 14:06 |
| Aquix | nah, I'm happy with soundtracks and daydreaming :) | 14:08 |
| czajkowski | brand new install | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | of Ubuntu | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | what are the 2 commands to install all the extra bit s | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | like codec | 14:14 |
| czajkowski | all the things turned off by default | 14:14 |
| oimon | apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras | 14:16 |
| czajkowski | oimon: cheers | 14:16 |
| oimon | second command is "cowsay hooray" | 14:17 |
| diplo | :D | 14:17 |
| oimon | i hope cowsay is in the default install | 14:17 |
| === Guest83935 is now known as Lcawte | ||
| diplo | Not in Maverick | 14:21 |
| davmor2 | czajkowski: did you select to install codecs duringthe install if so no need :P | 14:22 |
| popey | yes need | 14:22 |
| popey | that tickbox doesn't install the same stuff | 14:22 |
| czajkowski | davmor2: not me someone in the office | 14:22 |
| davmor2 | popey: you sure I'm pretty sure that is what evan said it installed I could be wrong | 14:23 |
| popey | i looked at the source a while ago, it installs ubuntu-restricted-addons not ubuntu-restricted-extras | 14:24 |
| popey | there's a slight difference in what you get from those two meta packages | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | popey: ah okay | 14:26 |
| oimon | ubuntu-restricted-extras in lucid doesn't contain libdvdcss2 though (for encrypted dvds) | 14:28 |
| oimon | !info ubuntu-restricted-addons | 14:28 |
| lubotu3 | ubuntu-restricted-addons (source: ubuntu-restricted-addons): Commonly used restricted packages for Ubuntu. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 7 (natty), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB | 14:28 |
| oimon | !info ubuntu-restricted-addons lucid | 14:29 |
| lubotu3 | Package ubuntu-restricted-addons does not exist in lucid | 14:29 |
| gord | oimon, you need mediabuntu for that don't you? | 14:34 |
| gord | or have to run some script or something? | 14:34 |
| oimon | yeah, it's from medibuntu..i pity the poor users who don't have this knowledge though | 14:35 |
| oimon | i installed restr-xtras and then went on holiday, thinking i had dvd support | 14:35 |
| oimon | had to tether my phone to download the other bits before watching a dvd | 14:36 |
| Aquix | restrictes is in every 10 things to do blabla blog piece | 14:38 |
| oimon | Aquix: yes, but unless it has changed in natty, it doesn't include encrypted dvd support | 14:39 |
| Aquix | I use mint 11, I wouldn't know | 14:40 |
| oimon | wow, first time using MS Office ribbon..dislike. Did someone say LibreOffice is going the same way? | 15:15 |
| AlanBell | no, don't think it is | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | personally I think DVD playback on a computer is a pretty niche use-case | 15:18 |
| BigRedS | oimon: I found I _much_ preferred it over the old interface within a few hours' use | 15:18 |
| oimon | BigRedS: i probably won't be using it that long. openoffice is fine except for rare cases when a word doc has been inhertied through the years | 15:19 |
| BigRedS | there's been discussion about 'modernising' OOo's interface for _years_, mostly stalled by Sun wanting to keep StarOffice consistent I gather. I don't think LO's got much appetite for any more UI changes than polishing given all teh under-the-hood fixing to do :) | 15:19 |
| oimon | AlanBell: i would expect a lot of laptop users in particular watch dvds on their laptop | 15:20 |
| BigRedS | Ah, that's good to hear :) When I was using it, trying to use OOo in an MS Office envrionment was a daft idea | 15:20 |
| BigRedS | now, I just don't use office suites :) | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | oimon: well it is a nice trick for amusing the kids on holiday, but really I don't sit and watch films on my laptop | 15:21 |
| oimon | imagine you are a student or live in a shared house, or live with parents. suddenly the requirement would go up (esp. if you don't believe in torrenting/pirating films) | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but that is maybe 5 years of your four score and ten | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | not saying that nobody does it, just doesn't seem like a very important thing for a computer to do | 15:25 |
| AlanBell | http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards | 15:27 |
| daftykins | DVD playback remaining on a laptop is pretty niche i'd agree, but i would say there is a growing use-case for (perhaps travelling only) families to have a playback device with multiple headphone outputs and possibly multiple screens | 15:33 |
| daftykins | also, hi | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | yeah, got a dual screen dual disk DVD player for the car | 15:34 |
| daftykins | ooh | 15:34 |
| daftykins | interesting | 15:34 |
| AlanBell | and nice loud DVD player/amp for the telly | 15:34 |
| Hippychick | ive got 2 headphone sockets on my laptop | 15:35 |
| daftykins | Hippychick: yeah i've started to hear about many having that | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | the thing we have for the car has headphone sockets for each side of the base unit and a socket on each monitor, and you can plug both monitors into one side of the base unit | 15:35 |
| AlanBell | it would drive 4 monitors if we had them | 15:36 |
| daftykins | what interface does it provide for those displays? | 15:39 |
| AlanBell | dunno, looks like svideo I think | 15:46 |
| AlanBell | it provides power over the link so I never felt inclined to plug it into anything expensive to see what it does | 15:46 |
| oimon | now i'm a dad and my son likes to watch bagpuss and button moon. the laptop is more portable for that kind of stuff | 15:46 |
| oimon | ripping takes forever and a lot of disk space | 15:47 |
| oimon | so DVDs are more useful | 15:47 |
| AlanBell | yeah, my kids watch DVDs on the telly and kick me out to my office to chat to people on IRC | 15:47 |
| === Astronaut is now known as NuttyAstronaut | ||
| Laney | I quite often use it to watch dvds in bed or while travelling | 16:14 |
| * popey pictures Laney in bed with a dvd | 16:18 | |
| Laney | you need to picture teddies | 16:19 |
| Laney | and a hot water bottle | 16:19 |
| Laney | possibly incense and a nightdress | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | Oh my | 16:20 |
| Laney | dear god travelling to the US is a pain | 16:21 |
| daubers | Laney: That's because the US doesn't believe the rest of the world exists, so they shouldn't need to let you in if you can't prove that you really do exist | 16:23 |
| daubers | Laney: Also, take tea | 16:23 |
| Laney | that and there are surprisingly no convenient flights | 16:23 |
| Laney | I'm taking my bag of clocks as hand luggage | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Laney: analog ticky clocks I hope? | 16:25 |
| Laney | they go well with my beard | 16:26 |
| czajkowski | ;d/c | 16:26 |
| * MartijnVdS hands czajkowski a fresh keyboard | 16:26 | |
| Laney | yay, all booked! | 16:27 |
| Laney | popey: you going? | 16:29 |
| czajkowski | stupid tiny mac | 16:30 |
| MartijnVdS | BOOM | 16:36 |
| * MartijnVdS has a Banshee crash.. this time with a stacktrace | 16:36 | |
| MartijnVdS | I tend to get lots of dbus/gconf errors.. and this seems to be one | 16:37 |
| popey | Laney: going where? | 16:47 |
| Laney | orlando | 16:47 |
| popey | no | 16:47 |
| popey | ☹ | 16:47 |
| popey | home time \o/ ttfn | 16:47 |
| Laney | :'( | 16:47 |
| directhex | i'm going to go meet wifey at the station. it's rainy and horrible | 16:51 |
| Daviey | Laney: urgh, you are going? | 16:51 |
| Daviey | wow, they let anyone go these days :) | 16:51 |
| Laney | just the tea boy | 16:52 |
| Daviey | oh good. There wasn't enough tea last time. | 16:54 |
| czajkowski | bring your own tea bags | 16:56 |
| czajkowski | gord: has learnt his lesson and I'm not there to supply em | 16:56 |
| * Laney is going to resist the trays of cakes this time | 16:57 | |
| Laney | this is the place that had the huge apples isn't it? | 16:57 |
| Aquix | yeah, we eat apples for breakfast | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | me I eat bacon and waffles and syrup | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | in some form or an another | 16:58 |
| Aquix | or luch, if they are in a nice pie | 16:58 |
| czajkowski | followed by some mountain dew | 16:58 |
| Aquix | and colombian coffee | 16:59 |
| Aquix | mmmmhmmm | 16:59 |
| Aquix | we also have big balls | 16:59 |
| Laney | O_O | 17:00 |
| daftykins | mmm mountain dew | 17:22 |
| MartijnVdS | hmmm Bawls | 17:23 |
| * bigcalm pops out for milk so he can say mmm tea | 17:25 | |
| geekMePlease | How should you set up E367 -modem for Wicd, when you have no default network-manager in 11.10? | 18:14 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Matthew Garrett] UEFI secure booting - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html | 19:12 |
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| Lcawte | hmm, where to advertise this wikimedia developers meetup outside of teh wikimedia lists... | 20:56 |
| hamitron | wikimedia? | 20:57 |
| zleap | lug lists | 20:59 |
| zleap | fossevents | 21:00 |
| Azelphur | bit late, but woo asdfmovie 4 is out :D | 21:13 |
| Azelphur | hilariously funny things are hilariously funny \o/ | 21:13 |
| czajkowski | ok oneiric you have about 1 more chance to behave or tis natty again | 21:28 |
| czajkowski | slow and stalling for no reason is beginging to get on my you know whattis | 21:29 |
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| === ubuntuuk-planet2 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet | ||
| === PaulGit_ is now known as PaulGit | ||
| === Mattb90_ is now known as Mattb90 | ||
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