[05:16] hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection [05:17] hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection [06:31] morning all === Lcawte is now known as Guest83935 [07:37] Is anyone else seeing this: [07:37] W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key [07:38] MartijnVdS: Yes, being worked on. [07:38] OK [07:38] so it's not on my end [07:40] MartijnVdS: Me too :) [07:40] Someone broke their key? [07:41] TheOpenSourcerer: No. [07:41] "disk full"? [07:41] "No space left on device.", sorry [08:07] Morning [08:08] \o daubers [08:15] Morning all [08:25] o/ [08:27] :( ubuntu one seems to always be flaky for me [08:28] Morning peeps :) [08:29] Morning bigcalm, hows the holiday going [08:29] morning [08:29] DJones: back in the office today [08:30] So, short [08:30] Boo, Hiss :) [08:30] That about sums it up, yes ;) [08:35] Good morning, everyone! [09:02] anyone know how to fix u1 issues? #ubuntuone are all asleep [09:02] client is not receiving new files ,and status is http://pastebin.com/mLGr5dDQ [09:06] I had similair issues of that before oimon, fix was a lot of cli commands, but this was first release sort of time [09:06] Couldn't get it to sync [09:08] think i had to install ubuntuone-client-tools [09:08] * oimon installs [09:08] I'm guessing you have them, as you have used u1sdtool -s ? [09:09] This has been a while, I'm trying to refresh myself what the issue was :/ [09:09] diplo: guess what? [09:10] --rescan-from-scratch=VOLUME_ID [09:10] Working now ? [09:11] http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/u1sdtool.1.html [09:11] after installing that package, [09:11] heh \o/ [09:11] -d folllowed by a -c works [09:11] I know i had to install that before, but couldn't remember what i did with it [09:11] Maybe mine was the same :) [09:12] gonna check what's inside that package [09:12] maybe i had an old version of u1sdtool [09:14] diplo: thanks for fixing my problem :) [09:17] Well didn't fix it, but pointed you in the general direction :) [09:25] good morning everyone. === chrisccoulson_ is now known as chrisccoulson [09:41] Can any of the Dr Who geeks explain to me why Amy's daughter was part Time Lord ? [09:41] because she was conceived in the TARDIS [09:41] is that the real explained reason ? [09:41] yes [09:41] wow [09:41] it's about as good as you will get [09:42] thank you for explaining the randomness [09:42] also, it's probably why the doctor can now keep on regenerating [09:42] ikonia: they used different words.. something about "spending their honeymoon in the tardis" [09:42] keep on regenerating ? [09:42] cos she gave her future regenerations to him [09:42] oimon: Though they have made a couple of references to "No more regenerations" [09:42] MartijnVdS: I know what your saying though [09:42] oimon: he should have been able to regenerate for $X ammount of time before anyway [09:43] daubers: those were in the old series [09:43] MartijnVdS: In this series it was said a few times [09:43] yes but no hard limit was given [09:43] originally there were a fixed number, but since RTD all rules got rewritten (grrr) [09:43] oimon: the number used to be _12_, current Doctor is 11 [09:43] MartijnVdS: When he nearly died earlier in the series the tardis told him "No regenerations available" [09:44] daubers: because he was poisoned. [09:44] TARDIS probably needed a reboot [09:44] i think that happened too [09:44] oimon: What, you think it runs TARDOWS? Not TARDOS X? :) [09:45] i gave up watching dr who for the whole of the catherine tate series [09:45] MartijnVdS: If it ran TARDOS X, then you could easily change user passwords to gain root privs now [09:45] oimon: the new Doctor is good. Moffat++ [09:45] there seem to have been a lot of quirky episodes lately [09:45] Not to many spoilers peeps, just about to start watching series 1 :P [09:46] is it safe to say ubuntu x.04 is always LTS [09:46] MartijnVdS: i'm back in the game when RTD left [09:46] and x.10 is not LTS [09:46] Also, seen this http://osxdaily.com/2011/09/19/change-password-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-without-knowing-current-password/ ? Made me giggle [09:46] !LTS [09:46] LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [09:46] !release [09:46] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [09:46] dogmatic69: only if x is even [09:46] ah [09:47] thanks [09:48] Mor/27 [09:48] bah! [09:48] lol [09:48] Morning btw :D [09:48] hi popey [09:51] dogmatic69: i.e. LTS release every 2 years, 2008, 2010 next one 2012 ;o) [09:52] dogmatic69: and xx.04 [09:52] sup popey [10:12] morning all [10:20] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 get back to work you [10:21] * davmor2 passes the message back to czajkowski with knobs on :P [10:42] * dogmatic69 got his motorcycle license yesterday :D [10:42] :) [10:42] someone here was giving me some info about getting it [10:43] 1st time.. mod 1 + 2 on the same day [10:43] whoop! [10:43] I've a CB500 I'm about to try to sell... :) [10:44] replacing it with... ? [10:45] Oh, I've already got an ST1100 and a CX500 as well [10:45] hehe [10:45] I'm not sure which one replaced the CB, but I use the ST and the CX isn't worth enough to justify selling it [10:45] rode a GS500 for my test, they are pretty cool [10:46] though it would be crap, but no [10:46] Ah yeah, were you riding a 125 beforehand? [10:46] nope, direct access [10:47] could not stand to ride a 125 for two years [10:49] dogmatic69: Can I ask how much it cost you ? [10:50] Want to take mine, was riding for 5-10 years then stopped, took my CBT 3 times but never got round to taking my test [10:50] Had a few bikes without a license ( not something I'm proud of ) but want to get a license now I'm single [10:51] dogmatic69: hm? No I mean on l-plates. Either way, you're only restricted to 33bhp for two years, which is approximately a modern 250, or a restricted 500 [10:51] BigRedS: not on a direct access [10:51] you do the test on a 500 and can ride a busa the same day (if you pass) [10:51] no, but there's no way to pass a test and remain restricted to a 125 [10:52] you're either DAS and can ride whatever, or non-das and restricted to 33bhp [10:53] ye [10:53] if you do the test on a 125 you are restricted for 2 years [10:53] diplo: it cost me +- £700 from nothing to DA [10:54] What I don't understand is why I have to take a theory when I have been driving for nearly 20 years! [10:54] that is theory, CBT, 1 day DA training, mod 1, mod 2 [10:54] yeah, it's just you saying "could not stand to ride a 125 for two years" when I asked whether you rode a 125 previously [10:54] which confused me [10:54] ive been riding for years so 1 day training was good, you could need 4 or 5 at 150 pd [10:54] Hmm, £700 :( - May see if I can spread mine out :/ [10:54] anyway, I suspect it really doesn't matter :) [10:55] diplo: ye you dont have to pay at once, i just did cos i wanted it all booked an stuff. was just over 1 month from start to end [10:55] AlanBell: can you bring a live cd with you on thursday PRETTY PLEASE [10:56] BigRedS: ah, ye i had a bike in South Africa, here I had not ridden till the CBT / DA training [10:56] czajkowski: what version? [10:56] and I got a RVF 400 in the garage so DA was the only way [10:56] Where abouts in UK are you dogmatic69 ? [10:56] bham [10:57] the school i went to is REALLY good [10:57] All my mates who ride passed when I should have taken my test :) [10:57] ^ bike school... [10:57] hehe [10:57] So don't know anyone to recommend somewhere locally [10:57] Will pop into local bike shop [10:58] where are you? [11:00] Near Bath ( Bristol ) [11:01] Placed called Trowbridge [11:01] Never sure how well people no the southwest, basically 10 miles outside of bath [11:03] AlanBell: Natty would be safest please [11:03] ah ok, never been there so would be no help at recommending a place. I found these guys on google [11:04] i used http://www.rmtnet.co.uk/index.html could even call them and ask for advice [11:05] I've only found one bloke so far from Google that I see around a lot, http://www.ablemotorcycletraining.co.uk/ [11:05] But it's not a all in one place [11:05] Why do all these companies have such bad websites :) [11:05] czajkowski: no problem [11:06] Ta for link [11:08] diplo: the guys i pasted are a one stop shop, from cbt -> expert track [11:09] AlanBell: thanks [11:11] Bookmarked ta, will chat locally and see what people say and if no help with ask if they can give any assistance. [11:17] so who's coming for drinks on thursday in london for the happy hour ? [11:17] eh ? [11:19] Not me. [11:19] Am out for a curry with the Digital Dogs. An un-networking group. [11:26] czajkowski: technically lucid would be the safest :P [11:28] hardy! [11:30] davmor2: nah natty is grand [11:30] oneiric dont see eye to eye daily so not using that as work machine [11:31] Maverick FTW! [11:31] * diplo is still on Maverick [11:31] surprised to see that nvidia users don't see the ubuntu splash when booting natty :S [11:31] TheOpenSourcerer: so did you have hear attacks at the weekend [11:32] nah - was always going to be a walkover ;-) [11:32] oimon, yeah they do, its just not a pretty splash [11:32] gord: oh. my machine shows black screen until login prompt [11:32] nouveau and nvidia drivers [11:33] TheOpenSourcerer: heh ok [12:05] Something odd happening with my cable connection - nothing new but annoying [12:07] Yep, everything is struggling to connect [12:17] you get reasonable ping? [12:21] Packet loss [12:21] Lots of it [12:21] http://paste.ubuntu.com/693729/ [12:21] ack, nothing syncs on oneiric! [12:22] bigcalm oh, any technical news on your isp's website? packet loss is no good [12:23] Aquix: funny thing is, can't get to the status site :) [12:23] lol, [12:23] what isp? I can check.. [12:24] Finally loaded, no issues reported for my region [12:25] I would call them. It's strange, my isp had tech worries tonight 1-4 am. maybe a server software update or something :) [12:27] Experience shows that phoning VM is a waste of time [12:27] Tis a bit better now [12:30] yeah, depends who answers on the other end. my isp have a twitter account, that helps loads. Also one time I called the tech section I was called a noob for using ubuntu and not Fedora :) [12:30] typical fedora user [12:31] Aquix: I dream of having an ISP where that happens!" [12:33] yeah, I just call fedora red hats training girl, that gets them raging :) [12:56] Aquix: what's the name of the iSP? [12:57] it's norwegian. [12:58] whois me [12:59] ah, was hoping they were UK [13:00] must be some good isp's in uk? [13:01] bt has been good for me [13:01] i guess. you get what you pay for. and, since i'm out of the house most of the day and don't download much, i use a cheap and nasty isp instead [13:01] * popey hugs Virgin Media [13:02] * oimon has burned that VM bridge [13:02] * dogmatic69 wants this ISP http://i.imgur.com/Ikvnu.png [13:02] Virgin media's support has been atrocious in the past. They work fine when it's all working, but hope you never get a problem :( [13:03] kirrus: +10 [13:03] Surely how well the support works when everything's all working is mostly moot? [13:03] exactly [13:03] yup [13:03] works fine for me :D [13:03] oooh, reminds me, I should upgrade my modem [13:03] and if they aren't interested in fixing your problem then find another [13:03] * hamitron likes demon internet [13:04] BE's support seems fairly proficient, from when I've had to call them. They even accepted traceroute information... ;) [13:04] VM's performance tends to be geographical [13:04] yup [13:04] luckily I'm in a decently cabled area [13:05] dogmatic69: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492537440.png [13:05] :O [13:05] i think speedtest only use 100Mbit servers to test [13:06] is that at work or home? [13:06] I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price. [13:06] work. where i spend most of my time [13:06] * hamitron thumps oimon for having such good internet [13:06] it's actually 1Gb but speedtset can't keep up [13:07] my line is having a good day today [13:07] got nearly 1mbit [13:07] :) [13:07] oimon I'm jealous. you feel the need to constantly download things? [13:08] not at all ..except linux ISOs [13:08] and distro mirrors [13:08] ofcource. need those distros [13:08] "having fast internet reduces downloads, due to never wanting to queue things" [13:09] reckon there is a case for that? [13:09] yup [13:09] I had an old crappy pc with a 37 Gb disk for many months of 2006. It changed my habits alright. [13:11] http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492546113.png [13:11] I like the ping ;/ [13:11] unlucky... [13:12] tbh, it is good [13:12] "slower than 82% of UK..." [13:12] ... [13:12] not really [13:13] most my friends with higher bandwidth, have a slower latency [13:13] i will be happy when my local apt-get upgrade is the same as my servers... [13:13] hamitron see my tip on playing the isp 1/2 a page up :) [13:13] it works [13:13] Aquix, how would play ISP help me? [13:13] playing* [13:13] I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price. [13:14] I pay for upto 8 mbit [13:14] just the adsl max service [13:14] but so long as it stays stable, I don't care really [13:15] i switched from NTL Cable to ADSL and got 2Mb, then they 'upgraded' me to ADSL Max which dropped me to about 700K/s in each direction [13:15] so i went back to cable [13:15] \o/ 30Mb/3Mb [13:15] I get as much as the line can take now, so I get different speeds all the time. [13:15] I will switch to something better, if it moves into my area ofc [13:15] :) [13:15] same aquix [13:16] i wonder if there's geeks out there for whom the major factor when choosing a house is the distance from the exchange? [13:16] ah, ok, then no cap to play really [13:16] you wonder? its the first thing i check [13:16] :D [13:16] I have considered moving [13:16] haha [13:16] same here [13:16] yeah, i checked before we bought our place [13:17] but I spotted the NTL box on the outside of the house so knew they had it [13:17] mine (at work) is http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492555038.png [13:17] when you have kids it gets substituted for good schools..just saying [13:17] I can live on easter island if I got good internet [13:18] heh, we didnt move for school [13:18] tbh, so long as you get 512k, it is ok and then can take other things into account [13:18] got my wife a job there so she can take them every day :D [13:19] \o/ win-win. [13:20] my dad was a teacher at my school. i got lifts every day [13:20] I dunno if I'd benefit from greater bandwidth tbh, with all these download caps in place [13:20] do you guys hit the caps often? [13:21] nope [13:21] I get 60Gb a month [13:21] :/ [13:21] i have no idea how much I have [13:21] Thats nothing. I have unlimited. [13:22] Mine is unlimited as well [13:22] don't really need speed when you have a cap. [13:22] what bugs me, I now have no tv, so it is Satalite or Streaming [13:22] and 60Gb is not good for streaming [13:22] even if I had the bandwidth [13:22] hamitron: bt is 100% uncapped [13:23] hit close to 100 gigs monthly with no complaints from them [13:23] how much per month? [13:23] BT are worse than VM. They've really stuffed my account up, twice, seriously. [13:23] £20 with phone and free calls [13:23] :-o [13:23] I pay £25 for just internet [13:23] :/ [13:23] http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy.html [13:23] my moms been with them for 2 or 3 years and it just works [13:24] 10000MB between 10AM and 3PM apparently [13:24] £45 per month line rental with 500 mins of calls [13:24] in 1.5 years its been down once, and that was the middle of the night [13:24] mmmm 50Mb [13:24] hamitron: the bt i got is ~ 20mbit [13:24] when my router loses ppp connection, i wonder, is it my router or more likely the ISP equipment? [13:25] dogmatic69, ADSL2? [13:25] happens 1x per week and i need to reboot router [13:25] hamitron: o.o [13:26] when I priced stuff up last time, the 8mbit service cost more than the 20mbit [13:26] and I don't get the 20mbit [13:26] :/ [13:26] think its called 'Unlimited Broadband and Calls' [13:26] http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25633 [13:26] I pay £10/month for up to 20mbit, averages about 10mbit, no caps, but thats part of a bundle having Sky tv [13:26] veryveryverylongurl.bt.com [13:26] say 28 there, but told them we going some other place and they dropped the price [13:29] can I ask where abouts this is hamitron ? [13:29] East Yorkshire [13:30] tbh, I don't think that call package is good value [13:30] and I didn't organise that [13:30] ;/ [13:30] * daubers thinks they're all charlatans in their own way [13:31] daubers is very right. [13:31] I was cross when i was told 5 weeks after having signed up to it, for a 2 year contract [13:31] hamitron yeah, shop around. [13:31] tbh, the sooner some crazy rich person puts a stalactite in orbit that I can hitch all my net traffic through for free the better [13:31] * Hippychick pokes her head in [13:32] aquix, locked into contract now [13:32] * popey tickles Hippychick [13:32] stupid women getting taken in by telephone sales calls [13:32] :/ [13:32] * Hippychick laughs [13:32] hamitron: Sell them something back \o/ [13:32] so now I gotta put up with it [13:32] hamitron well, internet is a man thing, let her know that [13:33] yeh [13:33] I organise the internet [13:33] ;) [13:33] she does the rest :) [13:33] lol [13:33] beta 2 out on 22nd? [13:33] tbh, phone line is my area [13:33] but I was away when the salesman rung [13:33] :/ [13:33] *sighs* /o\ [13:33] * MartijnVdS saw the fibre company digging around the corner this morning [13:34] hamitron: you have 14 days to change your mind thou [13:34] I was only told 5 weeks after [13:34] MartijnVdS: So you'll have no power when you get home :) [13:34] :/ [13:34] daubers: ssh to home works fine, strangely :) [13:34] hamitron call then up and sound pissed. and say, what is this? I thought this was 2011. [13:34] tbh, I cba [13:34] daubers: but I'm expecting a "We want to come in and install fibre" letter any day now [13:34] :D [13:35] Aquix, my main worry is the long contract... in case another provider moves into my exchange [13:36] calculate how much the fee for exiting is compared to what you want. [13:36] well, there is nothing I want atm [13:36] ;) [13:36] i dont' want to pay for a phone line :( [13:37] BT were rude and decided to automatically put us in bold in the yellow pages [13:37] that cost a fair bit too [13:37] I got 6 months refund on that [13:37] any extra business as a result? [13:38] no [13:38] we don't get any business from the yellow pages tbh [13:38] does it still exist in paper format? [13:38] sure [13:38] technically, yes [13:38] but it is kinda crap [13:38] prabably have to order it tho.. loads of oldies that wants it [13:38] you don't get put under the business sections unless you pay for it [13:38] i get phone directory and other such stuff put on my doormat instead of straight in the recycle bin [13:39] phone book is rather thinner noawadays [13:39] online phone directory should be banned imo [13:39] facebook? [13:39] ban phone directory? [13:40] Aquix, just online [13:40] Aquix: ignore hamitron, he wants us to all go back to the stone age :D [13:40] due to how some companies use the data provided by BT, we often get phone calls at 3am from people in pain [13:40] :/ [13:40] i have to write a document before 4pm :( i've been putting it off for a week :( [13:40] public is publis, don't see the distinction [13:41] popey, you try getting phone calls at 3am [13:41] ;/ [13:41] we are clearly under "dental equipment" in the business directory.... and when someone searches online for "dentist", we show up :/ [13:42] i sometimes get weird calls at 3am and they always sound like foreign skype users [13:42] hmm, that is a different matter. [13:42] or mental people [13:42] floss weekly people calling? [13:42] :p [13:42] this isn't mental, just computer data organisation failure [13:42] :/ [13:42] we've started to just shout abuse at them tbh [13:43] morons with tooth ache never listen [13:43] what would be nice is a caller whitelist between 10pm-9am [13:43] hah [13:43] it would [13:43] aloow from whitelist, deny from all, [13:44] I have been asking for a controlable mobile firewall for years. [13:44] asterisk would prob do it [13:44] can you not ask them where they got your number? [13:44] and then get that site changed? [13:44] popey, google [13:44] popey, lots of sites with phone numbers, get the data from bt.... bt have the correct information [13:44] popey, but sadly, a lot of these sites put all "dental" companies under "dentist" [13:45] :/ [13:45] funny, the two biggest newspapers in my town is ba.no and bt.no :) [13:46] normally we'd just put answer phone on, but had to be on call for members of the family lately [13:46] so when getting woken up at 3am, I am kinda ratty ;/ [13:47] yup, a mobile phone firewall should have been made in 1996, [13:47]