[05:16] <doad> hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection
[05:17] <doad> hi room is there someone here that can help me with my wired internet connection
[06:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> Is anyone else seeing this:
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> W: GPG error: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[07:38] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Yes, being worked on.
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> OK
[07:38] <MartijnVdS> so it's not on my end
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Me too :)
[07:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Someone broke their key?
[07:41] <jpds> TheOpenSourcerer: No.
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> "disk full"?
[07:41] <MartijnVdS> "No space left on device.", sorry
[08:07] <daubers> Morning
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> \o daubers
[08:15] <DJones> Morning all
[08:25] <smittix> o/
[08:27] <oimon> :( ubuntu one seems to always be flaky for me
[08:28] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:29] <DJones> Morning bigcalm, hows the holiday going
[08:29] <Pernig> morning
[08:29] <bigcalm> DJones: back in the office today
[08:30] <bigcalm> So, short
[08:30] <DJones> Boo, Hiss :)
[08:30] <bigcalm> That about sums it up, yes ;)
[08:35] <JamesTait> Good morning, everyone!
[09:02] <oimon> anyone know how to fix u1 issues? #ubuntuone are all asleep
[09:02] <oimon> client is not receiving new files ,and status is http://pastebin.com/mLGr5dDQ
[09:06] <diplo> I had similair issues of that before oimon, fix was a lot of cli commands, but this was first release sort of time
[09:06] <diplo> Couldn't get it to sync
[09:08] <diplo> think i had to install ubuntuone-client-tools
[09:08]  * oimon installs
[09:08] <diplo> I'm guessing you have them, as you have used u1sdtool -s ?
[09:09] <diplo> This has been a while, I'm trying to refresh myself what the issue was :/
[09:09] <oimon> diplo: guess what?
[09:10] <diplo> --rescan-from-scratch=VOLUME_ID
[09:10] <diplo> Working now ?
[09:11] <diplo> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man1/u1sdtool.1.html
[09:11] <oimon> after installing that package,
[09:11] <diplo> heh \o/
[09:11] <oimon> -d folllowed by a -c works
[09:11] <diplo> I know i had to install that before, but couldn't remember what i did with it
[09:11] <diplo> Maybe mine was the same :)
[09:12] <oimon> gonna check what's inside that package
[09:12] <oimon> maybe i had an old version of u1sdtool
[09:14] <oimon> diplo: thanks for fixing my problem :)
[09:17] <diplo> Well didn't fix it, but pointed you in the general direction :)
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:41] <ikonia> Can any of the Dr Who geeks explain to me why Amy's daughter was part Time Lord ?
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> because she was conceived in the TARDIS
[09:41] <ikonia> is that the real explained reason ?
[09:41] <MartijnVdS> yes
[09:41] <ikonia> wow
[09:41] <oimon> it's about as good as you will get
[09:42] <ikonia> thank you for explaining the randomness
[09:42] <oimon> also, it's probably why the doctor can now keep on regenerating
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> ikonia: they used different words.. something about "spending their honeymoon in the tardis"
[09:42] <ikonia> keep on regenerating ?
[09:42] <oimon> cos she gave her future regenerations to him
[09:42] <daubers> oimon: Though they have made a couple of references to "No more regenerations"
[09:42] <ikonia> MartijnVdS: I know what your saying though
[09:42] <ikonia> oimon: he should have been able to regenerate for $X ammount of time before anyway
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> daubers: those were in the old series
[09:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: In this series it was said a few times
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> yes but no hard limit was given
[09:43] <oimon> originally there were a fixed number, but since RTD all rules got rewritten (grrr)
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the number used to be _12_, current Doctor is 11
[09:43] <daubers> MartijnVdS: When he nearly died earlier in the series the tardis told him "No regenerations available"
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> daubers: because he was poisoned.
[09:44] <oimon> TARDIS probably needed a reboot
[09:44] <oimon> i think that happened too
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> oimon: What, you think it runs TARDOWS? Not TARDOS X? :)
[09:45] <oimon> i gave up watching dr who for the whole of the catherine tate series
[09:45] <daubers> MartijnVdS: If it ran TARDOS X, then you could easily change user passwords to gain root privs now
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> oimon: the new Doctor is good. Moffat++
[09:45] <oimon> there seem to have been a lot of quirky episodes lately
[09:45] <diplo> Not to many spoilers peeps, just about to start watching series 1 :P
[09:46] <dogmatic69> is it safe to say ubuntu x.04 is always LTS
[09:46] <oimon> MartijnVdS: i'm back in the game when RTD left
[09:46] <dogmatic69> and x.10 is not LTS
[09:46] <daubers> Also, seen this http://osxdaily.com/2011/09/19/change-password-mac-os-x-10-7-lion-without-knowing-current-password/ ? Made me giggle
[09:46] <daubers> !LTS
[09:46] <oimon> !release
[09:46] <dutchie> dogmatic69: only if x is even
[09:46] <dogmatic69> ah
[09:47] <dogmatic69> thanks
[09:48] <popey> Mor/27
[09:48] <popey> bah!
[09:48] <oimon> lol
[09:48] <popey> Morning btw :D
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> hi popey
[09:51] <drussell> dogmatic69: i.e. LTS release every 2 years, 2008, 2010 next one 2012 ;o)
[09:52] <drussell> dogmatic69: and xx.04
[09:52] <dogmatic69> sup popey
[10:12] <davmor2> morning all
[10:20]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 get back to work you
[10:21]  * davmor2 passes the message back to czajkowski with knobs on :P
[10:42]  * dogmatic69 got his motorcycle license yesterday :D
[10:42] <brobostigon> :)
[10:42] <dogmatic69> someone here was giving me some info about getting it
[10:43] <dogmatic69> 1st time.. mod 1 + 2 on the same day
[10:43] <BigRedS> whoop!
[10:43] <BigRedS> I've a CB500 I'm about to try to sell... :)
[10:44] <dogmatic69> replacing it with... ?
[10:45] <BigRedS> Oh, I've already got an ST1100 and a CX500 as well
[10:45] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:45] <BigRedS> I'm not sure which one replaced the CB, but I use the ST and the CX isn't worth enough to justify selling it
[10:45] <dogmatic69> rode a GS500 for my test, they are pretty cool
[10:46] <dogmatic69> though it would be crap, but no
[10:46] <BigRedS> Ah yeah, were you riding a 125 beforehand?
[10:46] <dogmatic69> nope, direct access
[10:47] <dogmatic69> could not stand to ride a 125 for two years
[10:49] <diplo> dogmatic69: Can I ask how much it cost you ?
[10:50] <diplo> Want to take mine, was riding for 5-10 years then stopped, took my CBT 3 times but never got round to taking my test
[10:50] <diplo> Had a few bikes without a license ( not something I'm proud of ) but want to get a license now I'm single
[10:51] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: hm? No I mean on l-plates. Either way, you're only restricted to 33bhp for two years, which is approximately a modern 250, or a restricted 500
[10:51] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: not on a direct access
[10:51] <dogmatic69> you do the test on a 500 and can ride a busa the same day (if you pass)
[10:51] <BigRedS> no, but there's no way to pass a test and remain restricted to a 125
[10:52] <BigRedS> you're either DAS and can ride whatever, or non-das and restricted to 33bhp
[10:53] <dogmatic69> ye
[10:53] <dogmatic69> if you do the test on a 125 you are restricted for 2 years
[10:53] <dogmatic69> diplo: it cost me +- £700 from nothing to DA
[10:54] <diplo> What I don't understand is why I have to take a theory when I have been driving for nearly 20 years!
[10:54] <dogmatic69> that is theory, CBT, 1 day DA training, mod 1, mod 2
[10:54] <BigRedS> yeah, it's just you saying "could not stand to ride a 125 for two years" when I asked whether you rode a 125 previously
[10:54] <BigRedS> which confused me
[10:54] <dogmatic69> ive been riding for years so 1 day training was good, you could need 4 or 5 at 150 pd
[10:54] <diplo> Hmm, £700 :( - May see if I can spread mine out :/
[10:54] <BigRedS> anyway, I suspect it really doesn't matter :)
[10:55] <dogmatic69> diplo: ye you dont have to pay at once, i just did cos i wanted it all booked an stuff. was just over 1 month from start to end
[10:55] <czajkowski> AlanBell: can you bring a live cd with you on thursday PRETTY PLEASE
[10:56] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: ah, ye i had a bike in South Africa, here I had not ridden till the CBT / DA training
[10:56] <AlanBell> czajkowski: what version?
[10:56] <dogmatic69> and I got a RVF 400 in the garage so DA was the only way
[10:56] <diplo> Where abouts in UK are you dogmatic69 ?
[10:56] <dogmatic69> bham
[10:57] <dogmatic69> the school i went to is REALLY good
[10:57] <diplo> All my mates who ride passed when I should have taken my test :)
[10:57] <dogmatic69> ^ bike school...
[10:57] <dogmatic69> hehe
[10:57] <diplo> So don't know anyone to recommend somewhere locally
[10:57] <diplo> Will pop into local bike shop
[10:58] <dogmatic69> where are you?
[11:00] <diplo> Near Bath ( Bristol )
[11:01] <diplo> Placed called Trowbridge
[11:01] <diplo> Never sure how well people no the southwest, basically 10 miles outside of bath
[11:03] <czajkowski> AlanBell: Natty would be safest please
[11:03] <dogmatic69> ah ok, never been there so would be no help at recommending a place. I found these guys on google
[11:04] <dogmatic69> i used http://www.rmtnet.co.uk/index.html could even call them and ask for advice
[11:05] <diplo> I've only found one bloke so far from Google that I see around a lot, http://www.ablemotorcycletraining.co.uk/
[11:05] <diplo> But it's not a all in one place
[11:05] <diplo> Why do all these companies have such bad websites :)
[11:05] <AlanBell> czajkowski: no problem
[11:06] <diplo> Ta for link
[11:08] <dogmatic69> diplo: the guys i pasted are a one stop shop, from cbt -> expert track
[11:09] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks
[11:11] <diplo> Bookmarked ta, will chat locally and see what people say and if no help with ask if they can give any assistance.
[11:17] <czajkowski> so who's coming for drinks on thursday in london for the happy hour ?
[11:17] <czajkowski> eh ?
[11:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not me.
[11:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am out for a curry with the Digital Dogs. An un-networking group.
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: technically lucid would be the safest :P
[11:28] <directhex> hardy!
[11:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: nah natty is grand
[11:30] <czajkowski> oneiric dont see eye to eye daily so not using that as work machine
[11:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Maverick FTW!
[11:31]  * diplo is still on Maverick
[11:31] <oimon> surprised to see that nvidia users don't see the ubuntu splash when booting natty :S
[11:31] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: so did you have hear attacks at the weekend
[11:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> nah - was always going to be a walkover ;-)
[11:32] <gord> oimon, yeah they do, its just not a pretty splash
[11:32] <oimon> gord: oh. my machine shows black screen until login prompt
[11:32] <oimon> nouveau and nvidia drivers
[11:33] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: heh ok
[12:05] <bigcalm> Something odd happening with my cable connection - nothing new but annoying
[12:07] <bigcalm> Yep, everything is struggling to connect
[12:17] <Aquix> you get reasonable ping?
[12:21] <bigcalm> Packet loss
[12:21] <bigcalm> Lots of it
[12:21] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/693729/
[12:21] <bastubis> ack, nothing syncs on oneiric!
[12:22] <Aquix> bigcalm oh, any technical news on your isp's website? packet loss is no good
[12:23] <bigcalm> Aquix: funny thing is, can't get to the status site :)
[12:23] <Aquix> lol,
[12:23] <Aquix> what isp? I can check..
[12:24] <bigcalm> Finally loaded, no issues reported for my region
[12:25] <Aquix> I would call them. It's strange, my isp had tech worries tonight 1-4 am. maybe a server software update or something :)
[12:27] <bigcalm> Experience shows that phoning VM is a waste of time
[12:27] <bigcalm> Tis a bit better now
[12:30] <Aquix> yeah, depends who answers on the other end. my isp have a twitter account, that helps loads. Also one time I called the tech section I was called a noob for using ubuntu and not Fedora :)
[12:30] <ali1234> typical fedora user
[12:31] <AlanBell> Aquix: I dream of having an ISP where that happens!"
[12:33] <Aquix> yeah, I just call fedora red hats training girl,  that gets them raging :)
[12:56] <oimon> Aquix: what's the name of the iSP?
[12:57] <Aquix> it's norwegian.
[12:58] <Aquix> whois me
[12:59] <oimon> ah, was hoping they were UK
[13:00] <Aquix> must be some good isp's in uk?
[13:01] <dogmatic69> bt has been good for me
[13:01] <oimon> i guess. you get what you pay for. and, since i'm out of the house most of the day and don't download much, i use a cheap and nasty isp instead
[13:01]  * popey hugs Virgin Media
[13:02]  * oimon has burned that VM bridge
[13:02]  * dogmatic69 wants this ISP http://i.imgur.com/Ikvnu.png
[13:02] <kirrus> Virgin media's support has been atrocious in the past. They work fine when it's all working, but hope you never get a problem :(
[13:03] <oimon> kirrus: +10
[13:03] <BigRedS> Surely how well the support works when everything's all working is mostly moot?
[13:03] <oimon> exactly
[13:03] <popey> yup
[13:03] <popey> works fine for me :D
[13:03] <popey> oooh, reminds me, I should upgrade my modem
[13:03] <oimon> and if they aren't interested in fixing your problem then find another
[13:03]  * hamitron likes demon internet
[13:04] <kirrus> BE's support seems fairly proficient, from when I've had to call them. They even accepted traceroute information... ;)
[13:04] <oimon> VM's performance tends to be geographical
[13:04] <popey> yup
[13:04] <popey> luckily I'm in a decently cabled area
[13:05] <oimon> dogmatic69: http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492537440.png
[13:05] <dogmatic69> :O
[13:05] <oimon> i think speedtest only use 100Mbit servers to test
[13:06] <dogmatic69> is that at work or home?
[13:06] <Aquix> I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price.
[13:06] <oimon> work. where i spend most of my time
[13:06]  * hamitron thumps oimon for having such good internet
[13:06] <oimon> it's actually 1Gb but speedtset can't keep up
[13:07] <hamitron> my line is having a good day today
[13:07] <hamitron> got nearly 1mbit
[13:07] <hamitron> :)
[13:07] <Aquix> oimon  I'm jealous. you feel the need to constantly download things?
[13:08] <oimon> not at all ..except linux ISOs
[13:08] <oimon> and distro mirrors
[13:08] <Aquix> ofcource. need those distros
[13:08] <hamitron> "having fast internet reduces downloads, due to never wanting to queue things"
[13:09] <hamitron> reckon there is a case for that?
[13:09] <Aquix> yup
[13:09] <Aquix> I had an old crappy pc with a 37 Gb disk for many months of 2006. It changed my habits alright.
[13:11] <hamitron> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492546113.png
[13:11] <hamitron> I like the ping ;/
[13:11] <dogmatic69> unlucky...
[13:12] <hamitron> tbh, it is good
[13:12] <dogmatic69> "slower than 82% of UK..."
[13:12] <dogmatic69> ...
[13:12] <hamitron> not really
[13:13] <hamitron> most my friends with higher bandwidth, have a slower latency
[13:13] <dogmatic69> i will be happy when my local apt-get upgrade is the same as my servers...
[13:13] <Aquix> hamitron  see my tip on playing the isp 1/2 a page up :)
[13:13] <Aquix> it works
[13:13] <hamitron> Aquix, how would play ISP help me?
[13:13] <hamitron> playing*
 I play isp's up agains each other. Call a competetor and order internet there and they will ofcource do all the paperwork, then you get a call from your existing isp asking why you want to leave, and boom you have top speed for the same price.
[13:14] <hamitron> I pay for upto 8 mbit
[13:14] <hamitron> just the adsl max service
[13:14] <hamitron> but so long as it stays stable, I don't care really
[13:15] <popey> i switched from NTL Cable to ADSL and got 2Mb, then they 'upgraded' me to ADSL Max which dropped me to about 700K/s in each direction
[13:15] <popey> so i went back to cable
[13:15] <popey> \o/ 30Mb/3Mb
[13:15] <Aquix> I get as much as the line can take now, so I get different speeds all the time.
[13:15] <hamitron> I will switch to something better, if it moves into my area ofc
[13:15] <hamitron> :)
[13:15] <hamitron> same aquix
[13:16] <oimon> i wonder if there's geeks out there for whom the major factor when choosing a house is the distance from the exchange?
[13:16] <Aquix> ah, ok, then no cap to play really
[13:16] <gord> you wonder? its the first thing i check
[13:16] <oimon> :D
[13:16] <hamitron> I have considered moving
[13:16] <hamitron> haha
[13:16] <Aquix> same here
[13:16] <popey> yeah, i checked before we bought our place
[13:17] <popey> but I spotted the NTL box on the outside of the house so knew they had it
[13:17] <dogmatic69> mine (at work) is http://www.speedtest.net/result/1492555038.png
[13:17] <oimon> when you have kids it gets substituted for good schools..just saying
[13:17] <Aquix> I can live on easter island if I got good internet
[13:18] <popey> heh, we didnt move for school
[13:18] <hamitron> tbh, so long as you get 512k, it is ok and then can take other things into account
[13:18] <popey> got my wife a job there so she can take them every day :D
[13:19] <oimon> \o/ win-win.
[13:20] <oimon> my dad was a teacher at my school. i got lifts every day
[13:20] <hamitron> I dunno if I'd benefit from greater bandwidth tbh, with all these download caps in place
[13:20] <hamitron> do you guys hit the caps often?
[13:21] <popey> nope
[13:21] <hamitron> I get 60Gb a month
[13:21] <hamitron> :/
[13:21] <popey> i have no idea how much I have
[13:21] <Aquix> Thats nothing. I have unlimited.
[13:22] <DJones> Mine is unlimited as well
[13:22] <Aquix> don't really need speed when you have a cap.
[13:22] <hamitron> what bugs me, I now have no tv, so it is Satalite or Streaming
[13:22] <hamitron> and 60Gb is not good for streaming
[13:22] <hamitron> even if I had the bandwidth
[13:22] <dogmatic69> hamitron: bt is 100% uncapped
[13:23] <dogmatic69> hit close to 100 gigs monthly with no complaints from them
[13:23] <hamitron> how much per month?
[13:23] <kirrus> BT are worse than VM. They've really stuffed my account up, twice, seriously.
[13:23] <dogmatic69> £20 with phone and free calls
[13:23] <hamitron> :-o
[13:23] <hamitron> I pay £25 for just internet
[13:23] <hamitron> :/
[13:23] <popey> http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy.html
[13:23] <dogmatic69> my moms been with them for 2 or 3 years and it just works
[13:24] <popey> 10000MB between 10AM and 3PM apparently
[13:24] <hamitron> £45 per month line rental with 500 mins of calls
[13:24] <dogmatic69> in 1.5 years its been down once, and that was the middle of the night
[13:24] <popey> mmmm 50Mb
[13:24] <dogmatic69> hamitron: the bt i got is ~ 20mbit
[13:24] <oimon> when my router loses ppp connection, i wonder, is it my router or more likely the ISP equipment?
[13:25] <hamitron> dogmatic69, ADSL2?
[13:25] <oimon> happens 1x per week and i need to reboot router
[13:25] <dogmatic69> hamitron: o.o
[13:26] <hamitron> when I priced stuff up last time, the 8mbit service cost more than the 20mbit
[13:26] <hamitron> and I don't get the 20mbit
[13:26] <hamitron> :/
[13:26] <dogmatic69> think its called 'Unlimited Broadband and Calls'
[13:26] <dogmatic69> http://www.productsandservices.bt.com/consumerProducts/displayTopic.do?topicId=25633
[13:26] <DJones> I pay £10/month for up to 20mbit, averages about 10mbit, no caps, but thats part of a bundle having Sky tv
[13:26] <popey> veryveryverylongurl.bt.com
[13:26] <dogmatic69> say 28 there, but told them we going some other place and they dropped the price
[13:29] <Aquix> can I ask where abouts this is hamitron ?
[13:29] <hamitron> East Yorkshire
[13:30] <hamitron> tbh, I don't think that call package is good value
[13:30] <hamitron> and I didn't organise that
[13:30] <hamitron> ;/
[13:30]  * daubers thinks they're all charlatans in their own way
[13:31] <Aquix> daubers is very right.
[13:31] <hamitron> I was cross when i was told 5 weeks after having signed up to it, for a 2 year contract
[13:31] <Aquix> hamitron yeah, shop around.
[13:31] <daubers> tbh, the sooner some crazy rich person puts a stalactite in orbit that I can hitch all my net traffic through for free the better
[13:31]  * Hippychick pokes her head in
[13:32] <hamitron> aquix, locked into contract now
[13:32]  * popey tickles Hippychick 
[13:32] <hamitron> stupid women getting taken in by telephone sales calls
[13:32] <hamitron> :/
[13:32]  * Hippychick laughs
[13:32] <daubers> hamitron: Sell them something back \o/
[13:32] <hamitron> so now I gotta put up with it
[13:32] <Aquix> hamitron well, internet is a man thing, let her know that
[13:33] <hamitron> yeh
[13:33] <hamitron> I organise the internet
[13:33] <hamitron> ;)
[13:33] <Aquix> she does the rest :)
[13:33] <Aquix> lol
[13:33] <oimon> beta 2 out on 22nd?
[13:33] <hamitron> tbh, phone line is my area
[13:33] <hamitron> but I was away when the salesman rung
[13:33] <hamitron> :/
[13:33] <hamitron> *sighs* /o\
[13:33]  * MartijnVdS saw the fibre company digging around the corner this morning
[13:34] <oimon> hamitron: you have 14 days to change your mind thou
[13:34] <hamitron> I was only told 5 weeks after
[13:34] <daubers> MartijnVdS: So you'll have no power when you get home :)
[13:34] <hamitron> :/
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> daubers: ssh to home works fine, strangely :)
[13:34] <Aquix> hamitron  call then up and sound pissed. and say, what is this? I thought this was 2011.
[13:34] <hamitron> tbh, I cba
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> daubers: but I'm expecting a "We want to come in and install fibre" letter any day now
[13:34] <hamitron> :D
[13:35] <hamitron> Aquix, my main worry is the long contract... in case another provider moves into my exchange
[13:36] <Aquix> calculate how much the fee for exiting is compared to what you want.
[13:36] <hamitron> well, there is nothing I want atm
[13:36] <hamitron> ;)
[13:36] <oimon> i dont' want to pay for a phone line :(
[13:37] <hamitron> BT were rude and decided to automatically put us in bold in the yellow pages
[13:37] <hamitron> that cost a fair bit too
[13:37] <hamitron> I got 6 months refund on that
[13:37] <oimon> any extra business as a result?
[13:38] <hamitron> no
[13:38] <hamitron> we don't get any business from the yellow pages tbh
[13:38] <oimon> does it still exist in paper format?
[13:38] <Aquix> sure
[13:38] <hamitron> technically, yes
[13:38] <hamitron> but it is kinda crap
[13:38] <Aquix> prabably have to order it tho.. loads of oldies that wants it
[13:38] <hamitron> you don't get put under the business sections unless you pay for it
[13:38] <oimon> i get phone directory and other such stuff put on my doormat instead of straight in the recycle bin
[13:39] <oimon> phone book is rather thinner noawadays
[13:39] <hamitron> online phone directory should be banned imo
[13:39] <oimon> facebook?
[13:39] <Aquix> ban phone directory?
[13:40] <hamitron> Aquix, just online
[13:40] <popey> Aquix: ignore hamitron, he wants us to all go back to the stone age :D
[13:40] <hamitron> due to how some companies use the data provided by BT, we often get phone calls at 3am from people in pain
[13:40] <hamitron> :/
[13:40] <oimon> i have to write a document before 4pm :( i've been putting it off for a week :(
[13:40] <Aquix> public is publis, don't see the distinction
[13:41] <hamitron> popey, you try getting phone calls at 3am
[13:41] <hamitron> ;/
[13:41] <hamitron> we are clearly under "dental equipment" in the business directory.... and when someone searches online for "dentist", we show up :/
[13:42] <oimon> i sometimes get weird calls at 3am and they always sound like foreign skype users
[13:42] <Aquix> hmm, that is a different matter.
[13:42] <oimon> or mental people
[13:42] <Aquix> floss weekly people calling?
[13:42] <Aquix> :p
[13:42] <hamitron> this isn't mental, just computer data organisation failure
[13:42] <hamitron> :/
[13:42] <hamitron> we've started to just shout abuse at them tbh
[13:43] <hamitron> morons with tooth ache never listen
[13:43] <oimon> what would be nice is a caller whitelist between 10pm-9am
[13:43] <popey> hah
[13:43] <hamitron> it would
[13:43] <oimon> aloow from whitelist, deny from all,
[13:44] <Aquix> I have been asking for a controlable mobile firewall for years.
[13:44] <oimon> asterisk would prob do it
[13:44] <popey> can you not ask them where they got your number?
[13:44] <popey> and then get that site changed?
[13:44] <hamitron> popey, google
[13:44] <hamitron> popey, lots of sites with phone numbers, get the data from bt.... bt have the correct information
[13:44] <hamitron> popey, but sadly, a lot of these sites put all "dental" companies under "dentist"
[13:45] <hamitron> :/
[13:45] <Aquix> funny, the two biggest newspapers in my town is ba.no and bt.no  :)
[13:46] <hamitron> normally we'd just put answer phone on, but had to be on call for members of the family lately
[13:46] <hamitron> so when getting woken up at 3am, I am kinda ratty ;/
[13:47] <Aquix> yup, a mobile phone firewall should have been made in 1996,
[13:47] <hamitron> but this is what the new "modern" way is like, lots of information at your finger tips
[13:47] <hamitron> just a shame a lot of it is not right
[13:47] <hamitron> :/
[13:48] <Aquix> don't mix computers and mobile phones. phone tech is crap feature wise.
[13:48] <hamitron> well, this is computers
[13:48] <hamitron> not mobiles
[13:49] <Aquix> crap computers.
[13:49] <hamitron> online business searches
[13:49] <hamitron> don't use them
[13:49] <hamitron> ;)
[13:50] <oimon> it comes down to people at the end of the day
[13:50] <hamitron> especially if you live near me and have toothache at night
[13:50] <hamitron> oimon, indeed
[13:50] <Aquix> people make tech
[13:50] <oimon> check this out. i asked for a bracket to be installed, and this is what they did. http://ubuntuone.com/5GKHfnkhyeNYwBqCNF74JB
[13:51] <hamitron> :|
[13:51] <oimon> it's also upside down
[13:51] <oimon> it was a brand new wall
[13:51] <hamitron> was gonna ask if you held the camera upside down
[13:51] <hamitron> ;)
[13:51] <Aquix> yellow plugs are too short. they should have used re ones, they are longer
[13:51]  * Aquix electrician
[13:52] <oimon> luckily the monitor will hide it. i have more work to do but will prob do it myself and face the consequences
[13:52] <oimon> it sucks when you work with people who (1) can't do their job properly or (2) don't care
[13:53] <hamitron> who installed that?
[13:53] <hamitron> like wtf
[13:53] <hamitron> haha
[13:53]  * Hippychick falls under catagory 2 at the moment...
[13:53] <oimon> a maintenance guy ..it's his actual job to do this
[13:53] <oimon> public sector fail
[13:53] <oimon> it's just not funny
[13:54] <oimon> the IT support is just as bad, and they want to centralise our teams into their faildom
[13:54] <hamitron> I dunno if to smile or cry
[13:54] <hamitron> :/
[13:54] <oimon> or turn into hulk
[13:54] <oimon> i used to be happy care-free :D
[13:55] <oimon> although popey won't believe that
[13:55] <hamitron> I rant too often, and I am sure it is not good for me
[13:55] <oimon> he thinks i'm a sourpuss
[13:55] <Aquix> they didn't ever fill the holes, you get plaster on tube for that, If I drill a hole wrong, you might not notice.
[13:56] <oimon> Aquix: surely they could pull out the rawl plugs and replace them? why re-drill?
[13:56] <popey> hahah
[13:56] <Hippychick> wooo refund pn internet \o/
[13:57] <hamitron> I'd have moved the bracket to the right, to hide the crap hole ;)
[13:57] <Aquix> oimon sometimes the plugs are hard to get out. I don't blame them for that, only for leaving their job looking like crap
[13:57] <oimon> and upside down vesa bracket :(
[13:57] <oimon> i should have mounted the monitor upside down and done some xrandr :)
[13:57] <oimon> until it falls on a students head...:-\
[13:57] <hamitron> oimon, added bonus
[13:58] <hamitron> ;)
[13:58] <shauno> heh, gossip from the smoking area .. chap explaining how he set up this you-buntu 10 thing as a media box for his telly.  says he has no idea what he's doing, but you can just copy & paste all the commands off the internet
[13:58] <oimon> probably increase their grades
[13:58] <shauno> not entirely sure if this is a good thing or not
[13:58] <Aquix> oimon slowly get the screws out and turn it. but if the screw turns and turns when remounting, it's no good.
[13:58] <oimon> it's good, he's evangelising with the zeal of a new believer
[13:58] <diplo> heh always a good thing shauno
[13:58] <diplo> yeah better put by oimon
[13:58] <diplo> :)
[13:59] <shauno> was tempted to get them to try mythbuntu, but they think I'm normal, so I try to keep up the illusion
[13:59] <hamitron> oimon, is this why public sector buildings have to be re-built so often? they drill loads of holes in it, weakening the structure? ;/
[13:59] <diplo> XBMC tbh is a much nicer interface if you don't want live telly
[14:00] <hamitron> oh noes
[14:00] <hamitron> I'm late
[14:00] <oimon> hamitron: dude, they dismantled a concrete ramp outside our building - took 2 years. they replaced it with another one
[14:00] <diplo> Didn't say you are a user ?
[14:00] <hamitron> bbl o/
[14:00] <hamitron> oimon, hahahhah
[14:00]  * hamitron gone
[14:01]  * oimon gets back to his work
[14:02] <Aquix> sometimes I wish the internet could go down for some days so I could read some books..
[14:02] <shauno> you should try my isp then :)
[14:03] <Aquix> lol..
[14:03] <shauno> my little 3g dongle sees more use at home than anywhere else :/
[14:04] <diplo> Read in bed Aquix ? I probably read 2-3 chapters a night
[14:04] <Aquix> isn't 3g super expensive?
[14:04] <Aquix> diplo I try but I only get 2 sentences done
[14:04]  * Aquix zzzzzzz :)
[14:05] <diplo> Like my ex wife, she would start reading and drop off on the first page
[14:05] <shauno> mine's actually not too bad.  on the dongle, I pay 20eur for 20Gb
[14:05] <oimon> i read on the train
[14:05] <shauno> it's on the phone that the exact same data gets charged in pounds of flesh
[14:05] <diplo> I probably spend an hour reading before I drop off
[14:05] <oimon> compelled to do something for 30 mins each way
[14:06] <Aquix> yeah, I live to close to work.
[14:06] <Aquix> and I bicycle
[14:06] <diplo> audio books?
[14:08] <Aquix> nah, I'm happy with soundtracks and daydreaming :)
[14:14] <czajkowski> brand new install
[14:14] <czajkowski> of Ubuntu
[14:14] <czajkowski> what are the 2 commands to install all the extra bit s
[14:14] <czajkowski> like codec
[14:14] <czajkowski> all the things turned off by default
[14:16] <oimon> apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:16] <czajkowski> oimon: cheers
[14:17] <oimon> second command is "cowsay hooray"
[14:17] <diplo> :D
[14:17] <oimon> i hope cowsay is in the default install
[14:21] <diplo> Not in Maverick
[14:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: did you select to install codecs duringthe install if so no need :P
[14:22] <popey> yes need
[14:22] <popey> that tickbox doesn't install the same stuff
[14:22] <czajkowski> davmor2: not me someone in the office
[14:23] <davmor2> popey: you sure I'm pretty sure that is what evan said it installed I could be wrong
[14:24] <popey> i looked at the source a while ago, it installs ubuntu-restricted-addons not ubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:25] <popey> there's a slight difference in what you get from those two meta packages
[14:26] <davmor2> popey: ah okay
[14:28] <oimon> ubuntu-restricted-extras in lucid doesn't contain libdvdcss2 though (for encrypted dvds)
[14:28] <oimon> !info ubuntu-restricted-addons
[14:29] <oimon> !info ubuntu-restricted-addons lucid
[14:34] <gord> oimon, you need mediabuntu for that don't you?
[14:34] <gord> or have to run some script or something?
[14:35] <oimon> yeah, it's from medibuntu..i pity the poor users who don't have this knowledge though
[14:35] <oimon> i installed restr-xtras and then went on holiday, thinking i had dvd support
[14:36] <oimon> had to tether my phone to download the other bits before watching a dvd
[14:38] <Aquix> restrictes is in every 10 things to do blabla  blog piece
[14:39] <oimon> Aquix: yes, but unless it has changed in natty, it doesn't include encrypted dvd support
[14:40] <Aquix> I use mint 11, I wouldn't know
[15:15] <oimon> wow, first time using MS Office ribbon..dislike. Did someone say LibreOffice is going the same way?
[15:17] <AlanBell> no, don't think it is
[15:18] <AlanBell> personally I think DVD playback on a computer is a pretty niche use-case
[15:18] <BigRedS> oimon: I found I _much_ preferred it over the old interface within a few hours' use
[15:19] <oimon> BigRedS: i probably won't be using it that long. openoffice is fine except for rare cases when a word doc has been inhertied through the years
[15:19] <BigRedS> there's been discussion about 'modernising' OOo's interface for _years_, mostly stalled by Sun wanting to keep StarOffice consistent I gather. I don't think LO's got much appetite for any more UI changes than polishing given all teh under-the-hood fixing to do :)
[15:20] <oimon> AlanBell: i would expect a lot of laptop users in particular watch dvds on their laptop
[15:20] <BigRedS> Ah, that's good to hear :) When I was using it, trying to use OOo in an MS Office envrionment was a daft idea
[15:20] <BigRedS> now, I just don't use office suites :)
[15:21] <AlanBell> oimon: well it is a nice trick for amusing the kids on holiday, but really I don't sit and watch films on my laptop
[15:21] <oimon> imagine you are a student or live in a shared house, or live with parents. suddenly the requirement would go up (esp. if you don't believe in torrenting/pirating films)
[15:22] <AlanBell> yeah, but that is maybe 5 years of your four score and ten
[15:25] <AlanBell> not saying that nobody does it, just doesn't seem like a very important thing for a computer to do
[15:27] <AlanBell> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards
[15:33] <daftykins> DVD playback remaining on a laptop is pretty niche i'd agree, but i would say there is a growing use-case for (perhaps travelling only) families to have a playback device with multiple headphone outputs and possibly multiple screens
[15:34] <daftykins> also, hi
[15:34] <AlanBell> yeah, got a dual screen dual disk DVD player for the car
[15:34] <daftykins> ooh
[15:34] <daftykins> interesting
[15:34] <AlanBell> and nice loud DVD player/amp for the telly
[15:35] <Hippychick> ive got 2 headphone sockets on my laptop
[15:35] <daftykins> Hippychick: yeah i've started to hear about many having that
[15:35] <AlanBell> the thing we have for the car has headphone sockets for each side of the base unit and a socket on each monitor, and you can plug both monitors into one side of the base unit
[15:36] <AlanBell> it would drive 4 monitors if we had them
[15:39] <daftykins> what interface does it provide for those displays?
[15:46] <AlanBell> dunno, looks like svideo I think
[15:46] <AlanBell> it provides power over the link so I never felt inclined to plug it into anything expensive to see what it does
[15:46] <oimon> now i'm a dad and my son likes to watch bagpuss and button moon. the laptop is more portable for that kind of stuff
[15:47] <oimon> ripping takes forever and a lot of disk space
[15:47] <oimon> so DVDs are more useful
[15:47] <AlanBell> yeah, my kids watch DVDs on the telly and kick me out to my office to chat to people on IRC
[16:14] <Laney> I quite often use it to watch dvds in bed or while travelling
[16:18]  * popey pictures Laney in bed with a dvd
[16:19] <Laney> you need to picture teddies
[16:19] <Laney> and a hot water bottle
[16:19] <Laney> possibly incense and a nightdress
[16:20] <bigcalm> Oh my
[16:21] <Laney> dear god travelling to the US is a pain
[16:23] <daubers> Laney: That's because the US doesn't believe the rest of the world exists, so they shouldn't need to let you in if you can't prove that you really do exist
[16:23] <daubers> Laney: Also, take tea
[16:23] <Laney> that and there are surprisingly no convenient flights
[16:23] <Laney> I'm taking my bag of clocks as hand luggage
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> Laney: analog ticky clocks I hope?
[16:26] <Laney> they go well with my beard
[16:26] <czajkowski> ;d/c
[16:26]  * MartijnVdS hands czajkowski a fresh keyboard
[16:27] <Laney> yay, all booked!
[16:29] <Laney> popey: you going?
[16:30] <czajkowski> stupid tiny mac
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> BOOM
[16:36]  * MartijnVdS has a Banshee crash.. this time with a stacktrace
[16:37] <MartijnVdS> I tend to get lots of dbus/gconf errors.. and this seems to be one
[16:47] <popey> Laney: going where?
[16:47] <Laney> orlando
[16:47] <popey> no
[16:47] <popey> ☹
[16:47] <popey> home time \o/ ttfn
[16:47] <Laney> :'(
[16:51] <directhex> i'm going to go meet wifey at the station. it's rainy and horrible
[16:51] <Daviey> Laney: urgh, you are going?
[16:51] <Daviey> wow, they let anyone go these days :)
[16:52] <Laney> just the tea boy
[16:54] <Daviey> oh good. There wasn't enough tea last time.
[16:56] <czajkowski> bring your own tea bags
[16:56] <czajkowski> gord: has learnt his lesson and I'm not there to supply em
[16:57]  * Laney is going to resist the trays of cakes this time
[16:57] <Laney> this is the place that had the huge apples isn't it?
[16:58] <Aquix> yeah, we eat apples for breakfast
[16:58] <czajkowski> me I eat bacon and waffles and syrup
[16:58] <czajkowski> in some form or an another
[16:58] <Aquix> or luch, if they are in a nice pie
[16:58] <czajkowski> followed by some mountain dew
[16:59] <Aquix> and colombian coffee
[16:59] <Aquix> mmmmhmmm
[16:59] <Aquix> we also have big balls
[17:00] <Laney> O_O
[17:22] <daftykins> mmm mountain dew
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> hmmm Bawls
[17:25]  * bigcalm pops out for milk so he can say mmm tea
[18:14] <geekMePlease> How should you set up E367 -modem for Wicd, when you have no default network-manager in 11.10?
[19:12] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] UEFI secure booting - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/138973.html
[20:56] <Lcawte> hmm, where to advertise this wikimedia developers meetup outside of teh wikimedia lists...
[20:57] <hamitron> wikimedia?
[20:59] <zleap> lug lists
[21:00] <zleap> fossevents
[21:13] <Azelphur> bit late, but woo asdfmovie 4 is out :D
[21:13] <Azelphur> hilariously funny things are hilariously funny \o/
[21:28] <czajkowski> ok oneiric you have about 1 more chance to behave or tis natty again
[21:29] <czajkowski> slow and stalling for no reason is beginging to get on my you know whattis