[03:57] fp [03:57] mornings mornings! [03:57] * nuvolari dies [05:00] morning nuvolari [05:00] and why are you dying all the time? [05:14] superfly: mornings [05:14] superfly: all the time it feels as if I'm about to say my last words :P [05:15] but this morning in particular we had extra inspiration along the road on our bicycle trip, so pedalled extra hard [05:15] nuvolari: you're so dramatic, you could be emo [05:16] nemo is a fish, I'm not a fish [05:16] my point exactly. [05:17] OH-Kay, I'll try to be a little more subtle :P [05:18] what's wrong with dramatic anyway? it's the only bit of excitement I have :P [05:22] nuvolari: typically we leave drama to the girls ;-) [05:32] Well said. [05:33] :-) [05:36] pdf ffft. [05:38] oh, nuvolari, I bought myself a netbook last night [05:53] morning superfly and others [05:55] morning Kilos [05:58] môre maiatoday [05:59] hiya maiatoday [06:09] superfly: cool! what did you get? [06:09] morning oom Kilos [06:09] mornin nuvolari [06:11] nuvolari: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004G8QZPG [06:16] superfly: awesome! looks cool too! [06:23] morning [06:26] morning sakhi [06:26] hi sakhi [06:47] nuvolari: thanks. it's being delivered to my mom-in-law, so I don't pay postage... I just pick it up from them when we visit there in a few weeks [08:33] morning all [08:33] hi magespawn [08:42] whats up kilos? [08:43] n othing new, and there [08:43] not much. opened a can of worms last night hey? [08:45] lol [08:46] nice to have their concern though [08:46] yeah [08:47] the guys will look after you and guide you [08:48] and maybe one or two will come feed you peanuts [08:50] i am missing something, why would i need the peanuts [08:50] lol when you locked up [08:51] ha they are never going to catch me. i am invincible. [08:51] hehe [08:53] wait till they have read the blog post. they might just decide to come and shot me straight away to save the internet./ [08:53] shoot [08:53] lol [08:53] dont be naughty [08:53] anyway i have to go do some work now. [08:53] enjoy [09:47] Kilos: do you know what magespawn's blog address is? [09:48] i got it somehwere in history superfly [09:48] sec i look for it [09:51] is this it [09:51] http://www.gandcnet.com/g-c-blogs/bushwaters [09:52] thanks Kilos [09:52] is that it?? [09:53] it looks like it might be [09:53] yaya [09:53] http://bushwaters.gandcnet.com/ === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan [09:54] i see these 2 in history [13:34] Maaz: coffee on [13:34] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [13:35] Maaz: and rusks please [13:35] inetpro: Go get it yourself! [13:35] eish [13:36] Kilos: who taught this thing to be so nasty? [13:38] Coffee's ready for inetpro! [13:39] thanks Maaz [13:46] afternoon inetpro [13:46] hiho superfly [13:49] * nlsthzn waves... meeting tonight? === scar[w]_ is now known as scar[w] [14:59] Maaz, coffee on [14:59] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [15:00] Maaz, with milk [15:00] Yay Kilos You aren't one of those skinny guys that needs to drink black coffee to cast a shadow [15:00] Maaz, and rusks [15:00] I hid them away Kilos Pm me and I'll tell you where they are [15:00] hmm [15:02] afternoon inetpro [15:02] Maaz, define jabberwocky [15:02] Kilos: jabberwocky n 1: nonsensical language (according to Lewis Carroll) [15:03] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [15:04] Maaz, thank you [15:04] Kilos: Sure [15:06] Maaz, ping [15:06] Kilos: pong [15:07] 10 secs [16:31] hi nlsthzn kbmonkey [16:32] naandsê oom Kilos [16:32] naand superfly [16:33] Alo [16:33] naand :) [16:34] hiya nlsthzn and kbmonkey [16:34] Hello superfly kbmonkey and uncle Kilos [16:35] i <3 linux :] i just deleted a windows setup iso and recycled all my old CD's. i don't own a single copy of win now. he he [16:36] lol [16:36] well done [16:36] cleaning out everything for the move [16:36] sometimes you need to use windows at work or with clients [16:37] when are you actually moving kbmonkey [16:37] its a long trip [16:37] my licenses have all expired so no point in keeping them [16:37] sore bum far [16:37] ha ha. i fly next week thurs Kilos [16:37] licences? [16:38] hehe [16:38] hope my arms dont go sore from the flying [16:38] lol. you not allowed to be online or use cellfones i think [16:39] i think youre right [16:39] only 2 hour flight but [16:39] ah yeah thats not too bad [16:40] time to eat only [16:40] is everyone here for the meeting? :) [16:40] still early [16:42] ah true. [16:42] hey everyone :) [16:42] lo octoquad [16:42] hello octoquad [16:43] is the IRC meeting still on for this evening? [16:43] yip [16:43] and other ninjas nlsthzn and superfly [16:43] kewl [16:43] yes let me make up some meeting agendas [16:43] * nlsthzn will soon be going sleepy... day shift... I R sorry [16:44] np :] [16:44] no nlsthzn [16:44] no missing meetings [16:44] hehe :'( [16:44] sticky bun fines [16:45] lol at least be here for the opening registration [16:47] I heard someone proposed a monthly Ubuntu release schedule. hectic. [16:48] hi |3o|3 [16:48] Was just a blog post... the response on the forum was hectic [16:48] end of the world type posts [16:49] Kilos you remember Maaz did not listen to me last time. Do you think he has been told to listen now? [16:49] lol , unless you been removed as an admin [16:50] ask him [16:50] drubin, will you be here to attend the meeting and check maaz listens to kbmonkey [16:51] does anyone here have anything they like to talk about in our meet? let me know, ill add to the agenda... [16:55] * nlsthzn is always here for the snacks... even if he should be sleeping [16:55] lol [16:55] btw, what time is the party starting... half past? [16:55] he he [16:55] yes [16:55] yip [16:56] kbmonkey, you using xchat [16:56] do you think more people will join for then? [16:56] yes Kilos [16:56] look at who is all online and ping some of them [16:57] Owkkuri, you attending tonights meeting? [16:57] Maaz coffee on [16:57] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [16:57] Kilos: nope [16:57] Maaz, coffee please [16:57] Kilos: Okay [16:58] aw why Owkkuri ? [16:58] i went on a kungfu camp this weekend Kilos. i really acquainted with the floor, lol. [16:59] in a nature reserve nogal, there were zebras and duikertjies all around us. [16:59] he he [16:59] nice [16:59] i gotta go eat quick. [17:00] bring us back a doggie bag pls [17:01] * nlsthzn goes for a quick shower... there better be cookies when I get back... nom nom nom [17:01] Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and Kilos! [17:14] Maaz thanks [17:14] kbmonkey: Sure [17:19] Maaz what did you do with the rusks? [17:19] kbmonkey: I'll remember that [17:20] Maaz: what did [17:20] superfly: *blink* [17:20] Maaz: what did you do [17:20] superfly: Huh? [17:20] Maaz: what [17:20] superfly: Huh? [17:20] Maaz: last factoid [17:20] superfly: What? [17:20] Maaz: last fact [17:20] superfly: Huh? [17:20] Maaz: how do I use factoid [17:20] superfly: Factoids are arbitrary pieces of information stored by a key. Factoids beginning with a command such as "" or "" will supress the "name verb value" output. Search and replace functions won't use real regexs unless appended with the 'r' flag. [17:20] You can use it like this: [17:20] search [for] [] [(facts|values) [containing]] (|//[r]) [from ] [17:20] literal [( # | //[r] )] [17:20] forget [( # | //[r] )] [17:20] is the same as [17:20] [( # | //[r] )] += [17:20] [( # | //[r] )] ~= ( s///[g][i][r] | y/// ) [17:20] [( # | //[r] )] [17:20] (|==) [also] [17:20] last set factoid [17:20] ah [17:20] Maaz: last set factoid [17:20] superfly: It was: what did you [17:21] Maaz: forget what did you [17:21] superfly: Righto [17:21] oops :p [17:21] lol [17:23] is everyone feeling energetic tonight? [17:23] no [17:23] So... I hope we have a fun filled agenda... or I may just fall asleep zzzzzz [17:23] well, my toddler is [17:23] nope. been a bad head day [17:24] ouch Kilos that can't be too nice [17:24] no slept near the whole day [17:24] but didnt wanna miss the meeting [17:24] so dedicated! [17:25] I nominate Kilos for team mascot [17:25] no man, just nosy [17:25] we need to build an electronic brain skullcap to transfer Kilos's mind into irc and be our new Maaz [17:25] bmg505, meeting in 5 [17:26] lol [17:26] maaz is too clever [17:26] Kerbero, meeting in 5 [17:27] confluency, you attending? [17:27] brb [17:27] * nlsthzn wishes the marker line was working in this channel :( [17:28] what marker line nlsthzn [17:28] inetpro, ping [17:29] In XChat you can have the last place you read have a read line so if you come back after a while you can easily catch up with the conversation... works in most channels... but not this one :/ [17:30] if you just go to another channel it does it as soon as someone chats [17:30] or even another workspace at times [17:30] should we give it 1 more min [17:31] xchat needs a nudge function like pidgin to shake everyones screens [17:31] or attention button [17:31] nothing shakes my screen except me [17:32] Kilos, nope... most channels work that way, but not ubuntu-za... very odd... oh well :) [17:32] wow good point nlsthzn, never realized that. [17:32] very odd indeed [17:32] no maia even [17:33] kbmonkey: I reckon we should start [17:33] I have to go give a little boy a shower soon [17:33] agreed [17:33] Maaz start meeting about Monthly IRC meeting [17:33] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:34] Maaz I am Wesley Werner [17:34] kbmonkey: Yessir [17:34] nlsthzn: it works for me, it's a red line right [17:34] ? [17:34] Maaz I am Neil Oosthuizen [17:34] nlsthzn: Okay [17:34] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:34] superfly: Alrighty [17:34] octoquad, odd... [17:34] Maaz: I am Hannah Snyman [17:34] mrs_fly: Alrighty [17:34] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [17:34] Kilos: Righto [17:35] welcome mrs_fly [17:35] octoquad, tell our bot Maaz who you are via 'maaz, i am ' :) [17:35] Maaz: I am Bruce Pieterse [17:35] octoquad: Alrighty [17:35] Maaz, You are Maaz [17:35] nlsthzn: I already know stuff about You [17:36] Kilos if you please, kind sir [17:36] Maaz topic Review previous meeting minutes [17:36] Current Topic: Review previous meeting minutes [17:36] yes? [17:37] Where are the minutes again? [17:37] okay, software freedom day and the Oneiric Jam release parties, how did those turn out? [17:37] the minutes for last meeting are found at: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-08-15-17-35-56.html [17:38] I'm sadly reporting that KZN did not have a release party [17:38] kbmonkey: release party? for what? [17:38] Saw the photo's of the Jam held... [17:39] Small but dedicated group :) [17:39] mmm, I'm quoting the last minutes, perhaps its a typo and just meant to be "Global Jam" [17:39] Ya, tumbleweed blogged about it [17:39] And Maia [17:39] okay strike the release party. [17:39] kbmonkey: I think the release party is about organising it [17:40] was that for 11.10? [17:40] thats for ocelot right [17:40] yup [17:41] kbmonkey: has there ever been a release party in KZN? [17:41] not that I know of octoquad [17:42] What else can we add here? sorry I'm a bit behind on the Ubuntu releases and their respective names at the moment [17:42] you know, durban and probably kzn is slack when it comes to linux events in fact anything global [17:42] Maaz: I am Marco Gallotta [17:42] marcog: Sure [17:42] hi marcog [17:43] * marcog was at the global jam it went really well [17:43] that is good to hear marcog :) [17:43] where can I read more about this global jam? [17:43] we need to gradually grow a couple more people attending [17:43] but the focus was great [17:43] how many KZN residents do we have online tonight? [17:43] 1 [17:43] http://tumbleweed.org.za/2011/09/05/ubuntu-global-jam-oneiric [17:43] octoquad: it happens every 6 months just before release [17:43] nuvolari: *poke* [17:43] thanks superfly [17:44] thanks superfly [17:44] at the release parties cds are handed out right? [17:44] SFD in CT went well apparently, there were about 10 people [17:44] is there ever any feedback from people that get copies? [17:44] plans for CT release party are a bit of a mess, due to the ACM and rugby being on that weekend [17:45] Kilos, normally the CD's are a bit late (official) but there are always burnt ones [17:45] Oneiric is set to release October 13 [17:45] Kilos: the 11.04 ones went out, i hope all people have them by now. 11.10 will come ~1 week after release [17:46] okay this topic actually joins with the next agenda item too [17:46] ok. i just want to know if any of the people that actually take copies ever give any feedback [17:47] I had some interest for CD's this week and hope to get them out before I leave [17:47] Maaz topic Ubuntu CD feedback [17:47] Kilos: most end up going to people who use ubuntu already or people we'll never see again [17:47] Current Topic: Ubuntu CD feedback [17:47] might help to add a little note on how to get here after installing [17:47] Kilos: exactly what I was thinking [17:48] Kilos that is a great idea. Add to that contact email to send feedback so we can post it on ubuntu-za.org [17:48] the windows mentality can be a prob if noobs try the install and dont do an update and things arent so good [17:48] Maaz idea include a note on how to submit feedback for Ubuntu CD's, and how to get to the IRC channel for #ubuntu-za [17:48] Idea recorded: include a note on how to submit feedback for Ubuntu CD's, and how to get to the IRC channel for #ubuntu-za [17:49] * nlsthzn was at an installfest, 30 machines installed... with contact info given, response was zero... [17:49] wow nlsthzn, that sounds amazing. I don't think I have ever met more than 8 linux users / pc's at any given time. [17:49] how are responses handled at the moment? web interface, e-mail, phone calls? [17:50] currently we work through the Ubuntu-za mailing list octoquad [17:50] i think also people should be informed that ubuntu is not a complete install till updated [17:50] not everyone is likely on there, just like irc [17:51] last off topic, kbmonkey was at a uni, in between classes we installed on the laptops those that wanted... [17:51] any suggestions for other means of feedback? [17:51] i'm trying to understand this feedback process, tell me more, how do you use this information? [17:51] octoquad: we don't use any information [17:51] kbmonkey: the fb group? [17:51] octoquad, join the mailing lists [17:52] octoquad: feedback means that people who use the CDs let us know that they have used them, at a guess [17:52] kbmonkey: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ubuntuza/ [17:52] usually we just post the feedback and pictures (if any) on ubuntu-za.org octoquad. maia was the person who did most of our feedback reporting in the past [17:52] and if they are having probs they should know how to get here [17:53] we don't use it for anything other than reporting like news [17:53] superfly: ok, so wouldn't it be easier to setup a web interface with simple questions and comments about how the installation went? [17:53] octoquad: where does that information go then? [17:54] octoquad: and what use would it be? [17:54] * nlsthzn has to get up in a few hours... sorry all, would have loved to stay a bit longer but this +2 time zone has caught up with me... night [17:54] superfly: it can be a simple counter then? with the source of the cd/ [17:54] night nlsthzn ty for staying [17:54] gn nlsthzn, go well [17:54] Kilos: i'm on the the ubuntu-za mailing list already [17:55] joing the facebook group now [17:55] great octoquad we need to let first time installers know about our lists as well [17:55] well if people don't email, they're less likely to fill in a web form. am I wrong saying this? [17:56] sure, after they have given the source, then we can provide them with a thank you page and additional resources to get started [17:56] mailing list, facebook page, wiki, ubuntu-za web site etc [17:56] octoquad: that's a good idea, but I think kbmonkey has a point [17:57] octoquad if you like to draft the start of such a feedback form, like with google docs for draft work. we could then move it onto the ubuntu-za site if it seems viable :) [17:58] basically i am saying we need to provide basic info on our local contact places [17:58] personally I'm bad at making up such things :p [17:58] kbmonkey: it all depends on how tech savvy theya re and how much time they want to invest, if they at least give a source you can have some sort of statistics as to how well the distribution is going [17:58] the main mailing list takes days before you get an answer and there are just too many mails [17:59] kbmonkey: I can do with PHP/MySQL/HTML5/CSS3 and i'll put it on my site for feedback? [17:59] octoquad: http://ubuntu-za.org/get-started [17:59] this is an interesting point of talk, we can think this over some time [17:59] that would be great octoquad [17:59] * superfly spits at PHP [17:59] kbmonkey: ^^ we already have a page on the site [17:59] superfly: I know I know, I'm learning python, really want to get into that full time [18:00] * Kilos laughs @ superfly [18:00] superfly is right, there is a "get started" page, and a get support and get involved. [18:01] kilos do you mean we need to make people aware more of our contact and help methods [18:01] ok, so can we add the source of the cd which is optional to fill in on that page? How many visits have you had to that page since inception? [18:01] ye3ah but is that link given with each cd handed out [18:01] I see [18:01] Kilos: ditto [18:01] yes kbmonkey [18:01] no it is not given at the moment Kilos [18:02] #ubuntu is murder for a noob [18:02] who is supplying the cd's? [18:02] the last lot maiaitoday sorted out [18:02] Ubuntu ships the CD's to country contacts who then spread them to regional contacts [18:03] sent to different peeps in different centres [18:03] I have a couple left, I gave half to nuvolari and some folks in CT have too IIRC [18:04] okay I will add a note to the CD's with Ubuntu-za's site [18:04] it would be awesome if we could have QR stickers with the URL and a link underneath that QR sticker just in case they don't have a smartphone with a QR scanner, but cost is another factor [18:04] Maaz idea Include notes with Ubuntu CD's that point to ubuntu-ZA's website for feedback and support contact [18:04] Idea recorded: Include notes with Ubuntu CD's that point to ubuntu-ZA's website for feedback and support contact [18:05] okay anything else to add before the next topic? :) [18:05] um, under events, we have 1 January 1970 at 0:00 for three events on that page. that needs to get fixed [18:05] Monthly Meeting [18:05] lol [18:06] octoquad: yeah, I think it's a problem with the RSS library... I need to go fix it again -_- [18:06] Maaz topic Ubuntu-za site spam comments and 1970 events [18:06] Current Topic: Ubuntu-za site spam comments and 1970 events [18:07] there has been some spam getting through on the site comments, and event dates. [18:07] kbmonkey: I'll have a look at that next week - this week is too hectic [18:07]