[07:08] <pleia2> is wp.xubuntu.org forwarding to www for everyone?
[07:08] <pleia2> I think Something Went Wrong with that latest htaccess change maybe
[07:08] <ochosi> pleia2: for me it is
[07:09] <pleia2> ok, I need to get to bed for real, I'll reply to the ticket in the morning if knome doesn't get to it first :)
[07:09] <ochosi> i mean forwarding to xubuntu.org
[07:09] <ochosi> right :)
[07:09] <ochosi> sleep tight then
[07:09] <pleia2> thanks, take care :)
[07:09] <ochosi> you too!
[07:10] <Unit193> It's only 3am... ;) Sleep well
[09:59] <knome> pleia2, got at it at first.
[09:59] <knome> -at
[12:43] <mvo> hi, if someone has a current  oneiric xubuntu (livecd or real install) it would be great if you could run software-center from a terminal and pastebin the output on that terminal, this would help me fixing bug #854087
[13:02] <mr_pouit> mvo: not reproducible here on a clean vm
[13:02] <mr_pouit> until I remove gnome-menus, that is
[13:03] <mr_pouit> without gnome-menus, I get the same trace
[13:03] <mvo> mr_pouit: thanks! I can reproduce it now
[13:06] <knome> oooh, thee mvo (hey o/)
[13:10] <mvo> hello knome!
[13:10] <mr_pouit> mvo: I've a question about that: does software-center only works with gnome-menus, or can it work with another implementation that provides the desktop-directories files?
[13:10] <mr_pouit> *work
[13:11] <mr_pouit> (e.g. adduser 3.112+nmu1ubuntu5
[13:11] <mr_pouit> app-install-data 0.11.10.5
[13:11] <mr_pouit> apt 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu9
[13:11] <mr_pouit> apt-utils 0.8.16~exp5ubuntu9
[13:11] <mr_pouit> aptdaemon 0.43+bzr695
[13:11] <mr_pouit> aptdaemon-data 0.43+bzr695
[13:11] <mr_pouit> base-passwd 3.5.23
[13:11] <mr_pouit> busybox-initramfs 1:1.18.4-2ubuntu2
[13:11] <mr_pouit> consolekit 0.4.5-1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> coreutils 8.5-1ubuntu6
[13:11] <mr_pouit> cpio 2.11-7ubuntu1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> dbus 1.4.14-1ubuntu1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> dbus-x11 1.4.14-1ubuntu1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> dconf-gsettings-backend 0.9.0-0ubuntu1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> debconf 1.5.40ubuntu1
[13:11] <mr_pouit> debianutils 4.0.2
[13:11] <mr_pouit> dpkg 1.16.0.3ubuntu3
[13:11] <mr_pouit> findutils 4.4.2-1ubuntu3
[13:11] <mr_pouit> fontconfig 2.8.0-3ubuntu2
[13:12] <mr_pouit> fontconfig-config 2.8.0-3ubuntu2
[13:12] <knome> FLOOD! FLOOD!
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gcc-4.6-base 4.6.1-9ubuntu3
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-atk-1.0 2.1.91-0ubuntu1
[13:12] <mvo> mr_pouit: it will work fine if the files are missing
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-freedesktop 1.29.17-0ubuntu1
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 2.24.0-1
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-glib-2.0 1.29.17-0ubuntu1
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 3.1.90-0ubuntu1
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-gtk-3.0 3.1.90-0ubuntu1
[13:12] <mvo> mr_pouit: the only thing I need to investigate is translations
[13:12] <mr_pouit> gir1.2-pango-1.0 1.29.3-0ubuntu3
[13:13] <knome> mr_pouit, wb
[13:13] <mr_pouit> grrah, stupid mouse
[13:13] <knome> hihi
[13:13] <ochosi> hehe
[13:13] <ochosi> middleclick? :)
[13:14] <mr_pouit> worse than that, using putty and several VMs on windows right now, and I didn't copy fromt he good one :]
[13:15] <ochosi> :)
[13:15] <knome> mr_pouit, irssi should ask you about multiline pastes, right?
[13:15] <knome> or are you using something else...
[13:15] <mr_pouit> yeah, I thought so
[13:16] <knome> see '/set paste' to make sure
[13:17] <ochosi> automatic pastebin-ing bot would also be nice
[13:17] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:17] <knome> why bot? you could just bind that to your irssi
[13:17] <ochosi> knome: bot because irssi/user-independant
[13:18] <knome> ochosi, yeah, but that wouldn't stop accidents from happening
[13:18] <ochosi> prolly not yeah
[13:19] <knome> well, the bot could of course quiet the paster
[13:19] <ochosi> that was the idea, yes
[13:19] <knome> isn't that what floodbots do, btw? :P
[13:20] <mr_pouit> mvo: so, what I tried to say before the "accident", is that libgarcon in xfce also provides the desktop-directories files, and I wondered whether software-center is hardcoded to use the ones from gnome-menus, or it takes whatever can be found in /usr/share/desktop-directories?
[13:23] <mvo> mr_pouit: it has its own menu file for the display, but it was trying to read the gnome-menus files, this should now be fixed in trunk
[13:23] <mr_pouit> okay, thanks
[13:26] <knome> mvo, is the 'suddenly switch to speaking german' bug fixed in mvo yet? ;)
[13:26] <mvo> haha - it still happens from time to time, especially if I'm in germany ;)
[13:26] <knome> ;)
[16:55] <Olbi> hello
[16:55] <Olbi> today is beta 2?
[16:56] <micahg> Olbi: what do you mean?  release i thursday
[16:56] <micahg> *is
[16:57] <Olbi> because at sheet where we have marked beta2 it is 20 september :)
[16:57] <charlie-tca> eta2 testing today and tomorrow
[16:57] <micahg> we're supposed to have images to test today
[16:57] <charlie-tca> but we track our tests on the QA ISO tracker, too
[16:58] <charlie-tca> Olbi: any tests you do should be marked at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ today and tomorrow
[16:59] <Olbi> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CP282scF&key=0AucFSttyWCevdGZSenZqRS04eE9LYnBwSWtUM0NJRXc&hl=en_US&authkey=CP282scF#gid=7
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Yes, I marked it beta2 because we are testing the beta2 images before they can be released Thursday
[17:00] <charlie-tca> There are three days marked beta2, right?
[17:01] <Olbi> right :)
[17:01] <Olbi> so today we need testing :)
[17:01] <Olbi> which I should take?
[17:01] <Olbi> alternate amd64?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> The beta2 does not release three days in a row. It releases Thursday, if we get the testing done
[17:01] <charlie-tca> Olbi: we track our tests on the QA ISO tracker, too
[17:02] <charlie-tca> Olbi: any tests you do should be marked at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ today and tomorrow
[17:02] <charlie-tca> check the tracker there, Xubuntu is towards the bottm
[17:02] <charlie-tca> check the tracker there, Xubuntu is towards the bottom
[17:03] <Olbi> account from lauchpad work there?
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I don't think so, but it has been three years since I registered therer
[17:06] <charlie-tca> Olbi: our goal for this testing is 5 of each test, if possible. So even if the tests are marked done, that is only one person did them
[17:08] <Olbi> I know :)
[17:13] <charlie-tca> and the images might get respun, in which case we test again :)
[17:31] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/oneiric_countdown/
[17:31] <charlie-tca> yes!
[17:32] <charlie-tca> the text is blurry here, but let's do it
[17:32] <knome> it's just a shade
[17:32] <charlie-tca> could be my eyes too
[17:32] <charlie-tca> all text is a bit blurry today
[17:33] <knome> updated
[17:33] <knome> refresh
[17:33] <knome> see days 7, 14, 21, 28, 30
[17:33] <charlie-tca> but I would like a countdown for us
[17:33] <knome> if we want, i can do "1 week and 3 days" style too...
[17:34] <charlie-tca> days is fine. We are already under 30, close to three weeks
[17:34] <knome> yeah, but i chanhed the 7,14... to "1 week" "2 weeks"
[17:34] <knome> it's not a problem, it's automated
[17:34] <charlie-tca> I see that. It looks fine to me, either way.
[17:34] <charlie-tca> your choice, sir
[17:35] <knome> let me try the "n weeks and n days" style
[17:39] <knome> no, it's better without that
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Okay, I will add that countdown timer to the release notes, too
[17:43] <knome> let's see how we'll get those online :)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> knome: you have website access or do we need to get pleia2 to put it up?
[18:15] <knome> charlie-tca, we need IS i think
[18:16] <charlie-tca> I see the old website at xubuntu.org, don't I?
[18:16]  * micahg likes that we seem to have more people in xubuntu-devel now
[18:17] <charlie-tca> If we have to have IS do it, I suspect it won't happen before the release.
[18:17] <charlie-tca> micahg: agreed
[18:45] <knome> charlie-tca, we can try
[20:21] <knome> charlie-tca, i've seen several people coming and asking about their desktop breaking because they enabled the root account. it IS needed in the website, and to be honest, i think it should be in the top 10 FAQ if it isn't.
[20:22] <charlie-tca> I know you think so, but there is much documentation already available in the help wiki, and that doesn't stop them
[20:23] <pleia2> why does enabling the root account break the desktop?
[20:23] <knome> pleia2, no idea, but it looks like it does.
[20:23] <pleia2> shouldn't it just create a root profile and ignore the user accounts?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> because when you log into the users /home as root, it takes control of too many files
[20:24] <pleia2> hrm
[20:24] <charlie-tca> When it takes things like .ICEauthority and the .config files, the user can no longer use them
[20:24] <knome> charlie-tca, sure. but it doesn't hurt to have it on the website. moreover, if we are following the original idea to make the website more rich on content than it is now, we do need more content than we do now.
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Let's worry about actually getting the website switched over and working
[20:25] <charlie-tca> We can't even hae a countdown timer on the website, and you worry about adding stuff?
[20:26] <knome> charlie-tca, i've worried about that too, and we're really close to publishing it.
[20:26] <knome> charlie-tca, who said we can't? i'm on the issue. remember, you said we can't get the new logo in grub, but i investigated and sorted it out. please let ME worry about it.
[20:26] <knome> charlie-tca, i have assigned it to MYSELF. it's not away from your time if i do something.
[20:27] <knome> thank you.
[20:27] <charlie-tca> The problem is you have no responsibility to this team, except when *you* decide to. I always have responsibility here.
[20:28] <knome> right. have a nice evening then. i'm out.
[21:25] <pleia2> charlie-tca: we lost a User Days instructor, are you availble Saturday evening for a talk on Accessibility Apps? :)
[21:26] <pleia2> schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[21:26] <pleia2> looking to fill 21:00 utc
[21:27] <charlie-tca> huh?
[21:27] <charlie-tca> sure, put my name down
[21:27] <charlie-tca> This saturday?
[21:28] <pleia2> yes
[21:28] <pleia2> the 24th
[21:28] <charlie-tca> sure, I can do that
[21:28] <pleia2> yay! thank you
[21:28] <pleia2> I'll add you now and forward you the "welcome instructors!" email :)
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Thanks
[21:29] <charlie-tca> oh, you are welcome
[21:35] <Olbi> new thunar 1.2.3 :D
[21:35] <Olbi> pleia2: what's that link?
[21:36] <pleia2> Olbi: link for?
[21:36] <Olbi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty :)
[21:36] <pleia2> oh, the schedule for User Days on Saturday
[21:36] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays is the page about it :)
[21:36] <Olbi> sounds nice ;0
[21:36] <pleia2> it's fun
[21:37] <Olbi> but I have wiki days in Poland in Poznań :)
[21:37] <Olbi> so couldnt been on User Day :(
[21:38] <pleia2> well, we'll post logs afterwards if you want to read through some of the sessions afterwards
[21:41] <Olbi> cool :)
[21:41] <Olbi> when will be next User Day?
[21:49] <pleia2> not sure if there will be one, Ubuntu Open Week has changed from being about teams to being user-directed, so User Days may be redundant now :(
[21:49] <pleia2> it's a lot of work to put together, and I'm not sure I want to put in the effort if it's a duplicate of another event
[22:00] <charlie-tca> +1
[22:07]  * charlie-tca thought it was just him thinking that way
[22:19] <charlie-tca> pleia2: email received. Thank you
[22:19] <pleia2> sure thing
[23:02] <ochosi> can anyone confirm that using the "install" option from the beta-livecd (as opposed to the: "try without installing") gives you this broken mess: http://imagebin.org/173292
[23:03] <charlie-tca> That broken mess is known as bug 840094
[23:03] <ochosi> well, also: there is no theme!
[23:03] <charlie-tca> and we need bug 845549 fixed to resolve it
[23:03] <ochosi> sry, i'll read the bugreport first...
[23:04] <charlie-tca> I think
[23:04] <charlie-tca> It happens because there is no session running
[23:05] <ochosi> ok, well thanks for clearing that up
[23:05] <ochosi> hope that'll get fixed in time...
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Yeah, me too
[23:07] <charlie-tca> but it seems to be a hard one to get things done to fix it
[23:08] <charlie-tca> We ain't giving up, though
[23:08] <madnick_> If one uses Skype, do not sign out, and press "Shutdown", the shutdown manager will not respond, and it will kill xfwm4, so that it must be manually restarted on next boot (this happens every time i tried)
[23:09] <charlie-tca> That's because policy kit won't allow the shutdown until Skype is shut down, but the xfwm4 gets shutdown anyway
[23:09] <ochosi> k, the 2 screenshots that need an update in the installer slideshow are software center (looks completely different now) and thunderbird (because it mentions the 11.04 release)
[23:10] <madnick_> So its a known bug?
[23:10] <charlie-tca> not really, no, since so few of us have Skype, but it happens with other stuff too
[23:10] <charlie-tca> report it, but it won't be a high priority to fix it
[23:11] <madnick_> okay :)
[23:11] <charlie-tca> skype is proprietary, so it is hard to get things fixed involving it
[23:12] <charlie-tca> ochosi: so a bug report for that will go through since they just released the updated software center
[23:12] <ochosi> yeah, i suppose so
[23:12] <charlie-tca> besides, we just got a fix committed for software center in oneiric
[23:12] <ochosi> no chance to change the screenshot earlier
[23:12] <charlie-tca> it doesn't really work for xubuntu yet
[23:12] <ochosi> oh
[23:12] <charlie-tca> so you can't really get a screenshot in Xubuntu, even
[23:13] <charlie-tca> hm, I seem to have frozen while updating natty here.
[23:13] <ochosi> :/
[23:13] <charlie-tca> wonder if I have hardware going bad again
[23:13] <ochosi> yeah, i'm just reinstalling my vbox of oneiric cause it crashed big time before...
[23:13] <charlie-tca> that's twice it froze on me
[23:14] <charlie-tca> or the keyboard batteries died again
[23:23] <charlie-tca> hm, it says I interrupted the updates
[23:26] <charlie-tca> all images being rebuilt for oneiric beta2 now