[00:00] we have an offtopic channel too, but it's been even more quiet than this channel for a LONG time [00:00] No, the point what emphasis and you only have 256 chars to do it with. [00:00] I don't wanna break the rules of this one [00:00] more than in a twitter message ;) [00:00] we've taken a more relaxed approach here [00:01] I was hoping you wouldn't make the mistakes that I made, so I emphasized. [00:01] if there is no support questions, some random chatter about things that somewhat relate to xubuntu are fine [00:01] s/are/is/ [00:01] yeah. it's easy to say afterwards, and it's also easy to think before, but it's harder to execute. :) [00:02] (not doing (the same) mistakes) [00:03] I guess I don't get what you're saying, you don't wanna talk anymore? you would rather talk about Xubuntu? [00:03] no i mean offtopic (non-support) is fine in this channel as long as nobody needs support :) [00:04] Am I setting off some audio trigger on your system? I can stop, I'm just waiting during an install. [00:04] i (or any other op) will make a growling voice if the offtopic chatter is too loud [00:04] nope [00:04] i'm just bored @ 3am ;) [00:05] that is gmt+3 no? [00:05] yeah, i think [00:05] i always get confused because the DST [00:06] so i think +2+DST [00:06] It should be abolished, we were one of the last states in the us to go to it [00:06] agreed [00:07] I'm from Indiana, you? [00:07] helsinki, the capital of finland [00:07] that's why it is 3*am* ;) [00:07] WOW! close close close to the mud I first started on [00:08] I was thinking more southern [00:08] like greece?) [00:11] hang on, ..... wait, can I post a url? [00:11] for the mud I used to be on, it's in your neighborhood. [00:11] as long as it is family-friendly [00:11] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_War_MUD [00:12] Muds were a basis for motivating programmers. I learned regular expressions in order to design macros/triggers to play the game better. [00:13] x) [00:13] outside of that, it was the first mmorpg stuff that was out there. [00:14] never played much of those [00:15] i enjoyed games like transport tycoon a LOT more [00:15] alright, so where do you come down on splitting the system drive. 2 drives, let's say 3.1Gb each [00:15] i've used 15G on my /. i don't know :D [00:16] We really didn't have great graphics back then. It was intriguing to play against another human [00:16] yea, this is what I'm on here about. I don't trust "web advice [00:17] well, "web advice"/get-you-to-run-some-spyware [00:17] /var /usr /etc [00:17] Yea, /usr is the one I want moved [00:18] maybe /lib [00:19] /etc is actually probably not so big [00:19] note: I try to recover systems (call them frankensteins) from stuff no one thinks they want [00:19] but those are the ones you probably should think about [00:19] i just read about ltsp-systems today [00:20] It's a bit of a hobby, but with the economy, I'm finding more and more 3-4Gb drives [00:21] Windows....pfffft......a supportable version......pfffft........nope one must find his own way [00:22] mm. with less than 1GB ram any windows somewhat readily avaialable is pretty much useless [00:22] -a [00:23] less than 1gb, means linux [00:23] usually yes [00:23] control, customization, and a bit of reality [00:25] win7/64 nat(which is really pat) is offered as a system operation that the user has little or no control over. Linux - iptables and masquerading [00:25] i have used win7 only a little, and even that was as a normal user [00:26] The sad thing, is that a friend of mine and I were going to get invloved in a [00:26] --srrry, early enter-key [00:27] pc recylcling biz, but they had another employee that was skimming hardware (his salary) [00:28] anyway, they had this giant box of RAM, I kid you not, 10x10x3, just ram they were gonna melt. [00:28] yeah [00:29] they weren't even going through it (the skimmer guy was I think) [00:29] we had a "club" too where we had too much of old ram... [00:30] I'm on "preparing perl" so tell me about it [00:30] Have you fiddled with Citrix yet? [00:30] That's a side question [00:31] well we pretty much just gathered and built some pc's and installed linux on them and had fun :) [00:31] and had fun with each other too [00:32] In the US, a club like that wouldn't be "cool". Times are changing though. [00:33] no, haven't touched citrix [00:33] why does somebody want to be UTC+12 AND 3/4?? [00:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatham_Islands [00:33] wasn't cool here either [00:33] but it was fun [00:33] ;) [00:33] Wait, was your first site where you live or in the US? (being ambiguous about location since you seem sensitive) [00:34] huh, wait, what? first site? :) [00:34] now you confused me [00:35] [19:35] started fiddling with pc's when i was 5, our first internet was broadband (cable!) when i was 14, the same year i was paid to create my first ever website for a company... ;) [00:36] ah, it was here in finland yeah [00:36] Sales or just info? [00:36] i actually built the whole site [00:37] you're on irc, I haven't a doubt about that [00:37] lol [00:37] hehe [00:37] yeah, i was on irc then too... [00:38] didn't take a day to get to irc once we got our first internet!! [00:38] Actually it suprises me that someone your age is still even on IRC [00:38] well why not. it's a fast way to communicate, and if you work in the open source world, you pretty much will have to at least know what irc is [00:38] Actually, it surprises me that ANYONE is still on IRC [00:39] I will agree, for programmers it's invaluable. [00:40] it's a slowly dying culture amongst the "normal" people, yeah [00:41] It's the best place for answers, if you can avoid or tolerate the abuse you get for asking the question. [00:42] well, at least the ubuntu community is giving much work in not having abuse in their channels [00:42] not a problem here really, but #ubuntu is really busy.. of trolls and abusers too [00:46] people chose Xubuntu for a reason [00:47] well, the abusers are banned from #ubuntu too, it's just a hard day's work [00:52] So tell me more about your first web? [00:52] handcoded? utility? [00:52] partly coded with frontpage, later updated to completely handocded [00:52] a very basic site [00:52] 2-way? Was it their server (my bets would be yes on that) [00:53] it is some hosting [00:53] is & was :) [00:53] did you use a package for funds transfer [00:54] now you lost me again - what package? [00:54] That is a tough thing to do right [00:54] credit cards, paypal, etc..... [00:54] ah [00:54] i think you must've misunderstood [00:54] You didn't handcode the security for that, did you? [00:55] it was just a regular website, no webshop [00:55] AH! I did misunderstand [00:55] :) [00:55] hi everybody, i have a problem with compwiz galaxy [00:55] Well, that's a lot at that age. [00:56] it doesn't work [00:56] what does it do? [00:57] patrice, compiz is not really supported on xubuntu [00:57] ti doesn't launch [00:57] it* [00:58] i call the binded keys but nothing happen [00:58] How did you run it? [00:58] from menu [00:59] what you mean? th configuration manager, i run it from the menu [00:59] I thought you had to replace xfwm with compiz for it to work, has that changed? [00:59] yes, with wompiz switch [00:59] yeah, as i understand it, it's a plugin for compiz [01:00] yes [01:00] none is working [01:00] MIght have more luck in #ubuntu, then. We really don't deal with compiz very much [01:00] ok, thanks anyway [01:01] the house here is xfce4 no? [01:01] yes [01:01] me too [01:01] Yes, xfce4 with xfwm4 [01:02] yes [01:02] When you add compiz, you do replace xfwm4 with it [01:02] yea, for me, it's lightweight, not options [01:02] now i did [01:03] Since compiz is used by Ubuntu, they are much better at it then we are. [01:03] ok [01:09] i think that's it for me today. [01:09] see you later [01:09] Good night, sir [01:20] hi all, i have been monitoring my network traffic and i have a lot of ssdp packets being sent is there a way to disable upnp in xubuntu (fresh install) [02:19] does anyone know how to get a program to run at startup? [02:20] nvm newb question found it [02:22] Anyone have any idea what would cause the "Additional Drivers" option to disappear from the System menu? [02:38] might have moved to menu -> Settings -> Additional Drivers === _lumm is now known as orst3n === SaaMmY1 is now known as SaaMmY === SaaMmY1 is now known as SaaMmY [10:20] SaaMmY, problems with connection? [10:20] yes [10:20] sorry [10:20] if you can, could you keep from #xubuntu until you get it fixed? [10:20] If it go on [10:20] I can do that you said [10:21] okay, thanks [10:21] atm it is fixed [10:21] I think [10:21] I have rebooted [10:21] let's hope it works now then [10:22] yes so I think [10:22] it is fixed [10:34] great to hear, enjoy [15:50] Is there a web page with anything like "The Latest In Xubuntu World" ? [15:51] technical overview for the current development release? [15:52] Sure. [16:03] Good morning/afternoon/evening [16:03] Anybody here that might be able to answer a question? [16:03] likemindead: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Xubuntu [16:04] !anybody | redbeard_ [16:04] redbeard_: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll. [16:04] Thanks, charlie-tca. [16:04] There are lots of people the *might* answer, but no one will without knowing the actual question [16:05] s/the/that [16:05] Is Xubuntu available for download as a DVD? I can only find CDs [16:05] no, it is not [16:05] OK [16:05] Thanks [16:05] Xubuntu only produces cd images [16:06] Good enough. Many thanks [16:47] hmm, xubuntu doesn't really have an equivalent to "My Computer" aside from basic Thunar stuff, right? [16:47] what's "My Computer" got? [16:48] drat, I was hoping someone else would know :) [16:48] no window/folder showing all partitions, they appear in side panel [16:48] I think you're looking for Home, pleia2. [16:48] with thunar 1.2 that is [16:49] I'm writing the Xubuntu portion of a "this stuff in k/x/l/ubuntu" article [16:49] What about File System in Thunar? [16:49] >> /home [16:49] so this one is "the my computer equivalent" [16:49] Sure? [16:50] ok, that's what I thought, I'll reference the side panel in thunar [17:32] Hi, when im watching a movie... as in now, the screen keeps going black after awhile and i have to move the mouse. In xfce4 manager under power settings i have set it to never turn off display on all options.. have also uninstall xscreensaver but it still dose it :S [17:36] Install xscreensaver again, tell it no screensaver, and in the advanced settings, make sure power management is off [17:42] there's dpms trick for that.. [17:43] and it is...? [17:45] xset dpms 0 0 0 [17:46] ooo [17:46] i will try that [17:46] i have run "xset dpms 0 0 0" in terminal, if it work will i need to set it at boot ? [18:10] no luck :/ [18:46] i come in search of assistance with xfce-desktop [18:46] whenever i login, i see the wallpaper and desktop icons for a split second [18:46] then they disappear and there is only a blue wallpaper, but xfce-panel and everything else seems to work. [18:46] a_guy, have you enabled root account? [18:47] (in ubuntu 11.10) [18:47] hmm, lemme check [18:47] you shouldn't have [18:47] i'm just checking [18:47] yup, i have [18:47] then we can't help you [18:47] ? [18:47] a_guy, is there a specific reason why you enabled it? [18:48] yes, but is that what's messing xfce-desktop up? [18:48] a_guy, we can't support systems with root account enabled. note that this is different than using sudo. [18:48] a_guy, probably yes. [18:48] a_guy, that's one of the reasons you never should enable the root account. [18:49] is this a design flaw, or intentional? [18:49] It is a direct result of using a root account [18:49] i'm not logged in as root, i just have it enabled [18:50] and it only takes once to screw things up with it. [18:50] a_guy, it's not intentional that it breaks stuff, but it is intentional that root account is not enabled, and there is a reason why it's not supported [18:52] if i disable the root account, would it be fixed? [18:52] "sudo passwd -l root" for example [18:53] no [18:53] any idea what would? [18:53] reinstall [18:55] is it something that's fixable in an update? i'd prefer to just wait it out if it is. [18:55] no. [18:58] I'd suggest to check ownership of all the directories and files in /home/ (including the hidden ones and their contents also) and revert them to [19:05] hmm, everything changed to my username except for ~/.gvfs [19:06] even as root [19:06] *even as root, i get .gvfs': Permission denied [20:03] genii-around: unfortunately, double-checking the ownership of my home folder didn't fix the issue [20:04] a_guy, you can try to run 'xfdesktop', but i can't guarantee it'll work [20:05] xfdesktop[2099] is already running; assuming --reload [20:06] can't find any bug reports for it, and i would imagine other people have enabled root before [20:07] yes, but the only fix that will work 100% is to reinstall and not enable root. i'm sorry. [20:07] Bug reports for it will be invalid, because it is not supported [20:08] knome: know any fixes that might not work 100%? i'm in a situation where I won't be able to reinstall for about 2 weeks :/ [20:10] a_guy, no, sorry, i don't know. also, please don't ask about it again because it is, as told now few times, not supported. [20:12] allright, thanks for the help [20:13] perhaps it should be made more clear that root is not supported on xubuntu? [20:13] You mean besides making it difficult to do and not the default? [20:14] !root [20:14] Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [20:14] i'll make a note of that and will make sure it's mentioned on the new website. but on the other hand, anything will not be enough, because you can follow any unofficial tutorial that will make you enable root [20:15] yes, but at least making a note of it on the website, as i didn't see it anywhere [20:15] It is not needed on the website. [20:15] unless of course, it's already on there [20:15] charlie-tca, we can at least post a blog article about it. [20:15] You had to find a way to do it, didn't you? [20:15] knome: then start writing it [20:15] find a way to do it? no, just a simple "sudo passwd root" [20:16] charlie-tca, yes master, once i've sorted out uploading the countdown banners... :P [20:16] and how did you know it would work? [20:16] that's generally how it works on most distros. [20:17] nothing seems to break in regular ubuntu when changing the root password [20:19] just saying: you guys seem to be annoyed by my not knowing about it not being supported. you could avert more users coming here with questions about it by making it more well known. [20:20] but thanks for the info! [20:20] a_guy, i'm not blaming you, i'm sorry for you [21:37] anyone know anything about extended monitors with a 6950 ? [21:41] hello how do i make a .exe file executable [21:41] hipo_, chmod +x file [21:41] zeating, what do you mean with extended? [21:41] do i need to be in the same directory [21:42] hipo_, yes, but you can also chmod +x /path/to/file [21:42] i mean i just installed xubuntu and on my second monitor is just a clone of everything on my main i want to be able to drag windows onto the second one [21:42] ok so it would be "chmod +x VisualLogic-Course-2.2.4.exe [21:43] hipo_, yes, if that is the filename [21:43] zeating, was that nvidia or ati? [21:43] with sudo ? [21:43] ati [21:43] hipo_, don't need sudo [21:44] zeating, see xrandr [21:44] awesome it worked [21:44] do i have to download xrandr? [21:45] zeating, i think it should be installed by default [21:45] zeating, if not, it's in the repos [21:45] hey man thanks alot been fiddle with this for a wile thank you so much ur a beast [21:45] hipo_, np, and have fun [21:48] anyone know why catalyst control center (administration) does nothing when i click it? [21:48] no idea, sorry [21:48] bummer [21:49] i've mostly been working with nvidia, and when i had ati, i just set it up with xrandr [21:49] theres an option to do what i want called Xinerama but its grayed out and says im using one monitor even though both are on :/ [21:50] might need to "enable" the second monitor from xrandr first [21:50] zeating, something like xrandr --output OUTPUT-DEV --auto --right-of OUTPUT-DEV-ORIG [21:52] zeating, xrandr -q should come handy with finding out the DEV's [21:56] what does dev's mean [21:56] you need the device id's [21:56] for the xrandr command [21:56] oh [21:56] just says command not found when i do xrandr -q [21:57] hmm, then try installing xrandr first [21:57] ;) [21:57] guess id ont have the package [21:57] i thought it came installed by default, but... [21:57] um [21:58] No command 'xrander' found, did you mean: [21:58] Command 'xrandr' from package 'x11-xserver-utils' (main) [21:58] then i did did apt-get install xserver-utils and said i had latest version [21:58] note x11-xserver... [22:02] firefox chugs so hard on my netbook sometimes [22:03] i have a gmail and facebook tab open, and neither of those sites are lightweight, but it seems like i shouldn't be seeing it hang for several seconds sometimes [22:04] have you tried the chrome offline app? [22:04] although... [22:04] i was using chrome up until recently, it was using so much memory it was causing my whole system to chug [22:05] yeah, I get that too [22:05] any ǵoogle thing, in fact [22:05] yea :[ [22:06] my solution: read email from an email client, and don't register to facebook [22:06] :) [22:06] i've been thinking about using a local email client [22:06] do google filters and labels integrate with any local clients? [22:06] i can very warmly recommend that [22:06] claws-mail is quite nice tho [22:07] raevol, don't know about that [22:07] :/ i have a quite elaborate filter/label system set up [22:07] back in 2007 I used Evolution, and once I got rid of the job that forced me to use it, I mved to thunderbird. After I got rid of that, I moved to claws [22:08] actually i think the filters you set in gmail (never send to spam etc) are working in tb [22:08] but there's no way to SET them from tb [22:08] claws-mail has nice filters, and like in any other imap client, the labels show up as directories [22:08] hmm [22:08] knome: none of the imap clients can do that [22:09] is thunderbird the default xubuntu email client? [22:09] no wonder. [22:09] raevol, yeah [22:11] i've never used a "real" email client outside of one job that i had [22:12] i've never had a job where to use an email client ;( [22:13] I use thunderbird with gmail accounts that have lots of labels, works nicely [22:13] cool [22:13] (I don't use it for my primary email, just for the half dozen group accounts I have to keep an eye on) [22:14] someone needs to reverse engineer facebook and write a local client for it [22:14] the filtering is done gmail server side, so it all just drops into your labels (as Myrtti mentions, they are just imap folders) [22:14] ♥ [22:14] as much as i hate facebook, it's become an integral part of my communication because of some of the social circles i am in [22:14] it's lovely that gmail takes care of the filteringt [22:14] -t [22:14] yea, that's cool [22:17] anyway, another issue i just installed a program and it didnt show up in the menu list how do i manually add it? [22:17] what program was it? [22:17] chocolate-doom, lol [22:17] just changing the catagorys [22:18] cant find any option to manually add shortcuts or anything [22:18] doom engine... [22:18] ? [22:19] I just can't immediately figure out if it *should* create a menu entry or not [22:19] ok... hmm one reason i don't like local clients, seperate line items per message, instead of threading... TB must have an option for this... [22:20] raevol, https://joindiaspora.com/ ? :P [22:20] i had one of those, no one uses it :P [22:20] ;) [22:20] the point of a social network is to be social haha [22:20] ah [22:21] diaspora, the social network nobody remembers unless a friend of theirs mentions it in Facebook, Twitter or IRC first [22:22] haha [22:22] it's true... [22:23] ok now the big question... is TB going to integrate with the indicator menu [22:23] without any configuration a little popup shows up on my screen and then goes away when I have new mail [22:23] kill it D: [22:23] I'm sure it's configurable :) [22:23] pleia2, that is a bit annoying. [22:24] i want it to use ubuntu notifications [22:24] I am not familiar enough with ubuntu to know what those are [22:24] oh god it's downloading everything ever [22:25] (are they the same thing xubuntu uses for volume?) [22:25] (which is fine, it's just a lot...) [22:25] yeah [22:25] pleia2, ^ [22:25] or that is what we'd like them to use, yeah [22:25] I hate notifications [22:25] me too. [22:25] I only keep thunderbird on defaults because some of our customers use it and I should probably be familiar [22:25] but i hate ugly notifications more. [22:28] oh man, integration is all very unstable at the moment [22:28] this may have been a bad idea [22:28] you installed libnotify? :) [22:29] i have that, it's more the thunderbird side of things [22:30] btw when i unmount usb drives, the "data still being written" message doesn't go through libnotify [22:30] is that because i borked things from too much meddling, or is that not integrated yet? [22:31] in my experience, it's because data is still being written :-) [22:32] that's fine, but it's that the error doesn't come through libnotify [22:32] it pops up as a clickable window [22:32] if you are familiar with terminal usage, you might want to try 'sync' or 'sudo sync' to really get some input if the filesystem changes have been done or not [22:32] you're misunderstanding my problem [22:32] I probably am, sorry [22:33] i don't care if the message is that my harddrive is failing and the moon broke in half, i want it to do through libnotify, rather than popping up as a window that i have to click on [22:34] also i seem to have more net resource usage using mail on thunderbird and facebook on firefox rather than gmail + facebook on firefox [22:34] but let's see if facebook stops chugging [22:38] raevol, that's because tb needs to check with gmail, when you have the gmail tab open in a browser, it only needs to notify you about changes, most of the traffic is internal [22:38] yea [22:48] i dunno, thunderbird just seems super clunky :( may not be for me [22:49] raevol, there's claws and evolution too [22:50] knome: does it support libnotify? gmail labels? threaded email view? 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