[00:07] <adam_> oh :(  so just boot from cd?
[01:00] <jbicha> https://twitter.com/#!/ubuntustatus/status/116314368974655488
[01:37] <STiK_M> nice bug lol
[01:59] <adam_> Is there a panel applet for transmission?
[02:05] <jbicha> adam_: the indicator is installed by default but that won't help you if you're running GNOME Fallback
[03:00] <h00k> Wooo
[03:00] <h00k> I r broken
[03:03]  * h00k notes the topic
[03:03] <h00k> oh look.
[07:51] <dud> why xorg is crashing forever and ever
[07:53] <bibinou> yeah, seems like freenode is acting weird
[07:53] <scoundrel50a> plus on the left panel in 11.10 the Applications and Files &Folders icon is missing, is that something that is a 11.10 thing or is it a bug....how can I get them back, its really frustrating having to go looking for them
[07:53] <Heikki_> netsplit, normal...
[07:53] <bibinou> scoundrel50a: I have home folder, it's not it ?
[07:54] <scoundrel50a> hi, I am trying to use Powertop in 11.10, but it doesnt seem to work, it works ok in 11.04.....anybody use this program plus...... plus on the left panel in 11.10 the Applications and Files &Folders icon is missing, is that something that is a 11.10 thing or is it a bug....how can I get them back, its really frustrating having to go looking for them
[07:55] <scoundrel50a> not it
[07:56] <dud> xorg is crashing with sandy bridge
[07:56] <bibinou> wow
[07:56] <scoundrel50a> bibinou: no that isnt it,
[07:56] <dud> why is sandy bridge so unstable on xorg?
[07:57] <bibinou> dud: it's fairly new ?
[07:57] <dud> new?
[07:57] <dud> its 1 year old!
[07:57] <dud> and the tech specs are 2 years out
[07:58] <bibinou> wow, graphics cards used to become usable 1 generation late :)
[07:58] <scoundrel50a> bibinou: apologies, Home Folder is Files and folers just went and checked with my other laptop, its just the Applications Icon that is missing now
[07:58] <dud> maybe S3 graphic cards
[07:58] <scoundrel50a> what about the progra m Powertop anybody use it?
[07:58] <dud> i use it
[07:59] <scoundrel50a> on 11.10? I cant get it to work, it just shows what is being used, and nothing else, and when |I exit, it syas cannot load from file
[08:00] <dud> it works
[08:00] <scoundrel50a> it works ok in 11.04
[08:00] <bibinou> seems like you have to use the dashboard thing to access apps
[08:00] <bibinou> brb trying to switch to gnome-shell
[08:01] <scoundrel50a> oh, so they have taken the apps button away, that makes for a bit more work, that is odd
[08:01] <scoundrel50a> dud: how can I get it tow work?
[08:02] <dud> i just talked to powertop
[08:02] <dud> i'm a powertop whisperer
[08:02] <dud> maybe getting a new kernel
[08:02] <scoundrel50a> can you whisper to mine to get it to work, its driving me nuts
[08:03] <scoundrel50a> update every day, what kernel should it be, and how can I find out, usint the terminal
[08:04] <dud> i use 3.0 or something
[08:04] <dud> uname -r
[08:05] <scoundrel50a> plus, I just tried to use the up down arrows to get the history of what commands I have used in the terminal, and the hustory hasnt been saved, or ther is no history, how can i get history to be saved in the terminal
[08:05] <scoundrel50a> 3.0.0-11-generic
[08:05] <scoundrel50a> that is my kernel
[08:06] <scoundrel50a> so I think I am up to date
[08:06] <dud> im' not familiar with discovery and its subsidiaries
[08:06] <dud> fascinating
[08:06] <cwillu_at_work> scoundrel50a, check if ~/.bash_history exists and has relevant contents
[08:06] <cwillu_at_work> scoundrel50a, there's a much of settings for that though
[08:06] <scoundrel50a> cwillu_at_work: how do I check that?
[08:07] <cwillu_at_work> man bash :p
[08:09] <scoundrel50a> cwillu_at_work: man has to be the most confusing thing I have ever come across, not something I understand at all
[08:10] <bibinou> unity 2D has nice fonts !
[08:10] <cwillu_at_work> scoundrel50a, a scrolling page of text is confusing?
[08:10] <cwillu_at_work> I can see the contents being confusing, but...
[08:11] <scoundrel50a> ok, its understanding the text, it is confusing, I know quite a few geeks who find mon very hard to understand, and dont use it
[08:11] <bibinou> it crashes though...
[08:12] <scoundrel50a> man was written for programmers not people like me
[08:13] <scoundrel50a> back to one of the questions, I am trying to get powertop to work on 11.10 but its not working, I have taken a couple of pictures to show you, how cna I add pictures here
[08:14] <bibinou> use imgur.com and post the link
[08:15] <cwillu_at_work> scoundrel50a, this has literally nothing to do with man, and everything to do with text files :p
[08:16] <bibinou> you have to learn to use /
[08:16] <bibinou> to search
[08:16] <bibinou> and the basics of the man format
[08:16] <cwillu_at_work> bibinou, yes, but he's being confused by the text
[08:16] <bibinou> [command] = optional, etc..
[08:16] <cwillu_at_work> (which can happen, sure, but it's not the tool's fault)
[08:16] <bibinou> sure, there's no pictures
[08:16] <cwillu_at_work> bibinou, again, [command] isn't a man thing :p
[08:17] <cwillu_at_work> and any documentation for a text-using tool will use that syntax
[08:18] <bibinou> ho, spaces config came back in 2D !
[08:18] <bibinou> old gnome switcher though
[08:18] <scoundrel50a> ok, here is one picture of powertop http://imgur.com/B1lmw it just stays like that and never changes......and when I click escape it says this http://imgur.com/0S8sb
[08:18] <bibinou> 3D is so last year
[08:19] <scoundrel50a> I didnt say it was at fault, I just said i couldnt understand it
[08:19] <bibinou> scoundrel50a: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=698020
[08:21] <bibinou> scoundrel50a: do apport-bug powertop
[08:21] <bibinou> and fill the form
[08:22] <bibinou> thanks for making ubuntu better :)
[08:22] <bibinou> ooh
[08:23] <bibinou> didn't /var/cache got renamed like /var/run ??
[08:23] <bibinou> nope
[08:23] <bibinou> sorry
[08:23] <dud> chack if you have a folder like that
[08:24] <dud> var cache is ok
[08:24] <cwillu_at_work> bibinou, you might be thinking /var/run/ becoming /run (with a symlink from the original location)
[08:24] <bibinou> yep
[08:24] <bibinou> was wrong
[08:24] <scoundrel50a> how do I add to that bug or do I create my own? Not had much to do with bug creating
[08:25] <bibinou> you mean it's an already filed bug ?
[08:25] <bibinou> what's the link ?
[08:25] <dud> well you use almst the same wallpaper
[08:26] <scoundrel50a> nope, only in fedora, not mentioned for ubuntu yet I dont think
[08:26] <scoundrel50a> so going through to create new bug
[08:26] <bibinou> scoundrel50a: yep, do "apport-bug powertop", so it will gather your config and stuff
[08:27] <bibinou> then you can link the redhat bug in launchpad
[08:27] <bibinou> i can help with that
[08:30] <bibinou> ok, gnome 3 = gnome-session-fallback
[08:30] <dud> gnome3= gnomes playing quake
[08:30] <bibinou> what ?
[08:31] <dud> thats a methaper
[08:31] <bibinou> you mean it's old school ?
[08:31] <bibinou> i'm old school
[08:31] <dud> like darmok and jalad at tanagra
[08:34] <dud> darmok, his eys uncovered
[08:34] <bibinou> brb
[08:34] <urlin2u> nmvictor, in a terminal sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[08:35] <nmvictor> urlin2u: am on it
[08:35] <urlin2u> nmvictor, here is a link as well, for pics. http://blog.sudobits.com/2011/09/03/how-to-install-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu-11-10/
[08:36] <nmvictor> urlin2u: thanks
[08:36] <urlin2u> nmvictor, no problem I have it installed my self.
[08:37] <scoundrel50a> just created Bug #855348
[08:38] <scoundrel50a> Oh, I didnt know you could install the gnome shell in 11.10
[08:38] <scoundrel50a> I think I prefer the gnome shell
[08:38] <scoundrel50a> anybody installed the gnome shell in 11.10?
[08:41] <bibinou> no more alt+f2 thingy
[08:41] <rwat_> are there any plans to release a 32 bit version of libXss ?
[08:42] <urlin2u> scoundrel50a, gnome shell in oneriric is gnome 3 is that what you want?
[08:43] <nmvictor> urlin2u: Im still updating my apt sources coz i just installed Oneiric a while ago, however, looking at the screenshots in the provided link, I think I'd rather gnome3-shell than Uity.
[08:43] <scoundrel50a> ah, is it preinstalled or do you have to install it?
[08:44] <urlin2u> nmvictor, it has its positives I have unity with tyhe cube so it is workab;e.
[08:44] <urlin2u> workable*
[08:44] <urlin2u> scoundrel50a, you have to install it with sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[08:44] <nmvictor> urlin2u: what do you mean the cube, and just to be sure, does gnome3-shell support compiz?
[08:45] <scoundrel50a> ok, but will it break anything?
[08:45] <urlin2u> nmvictor, not sure I just set up the compiz cube in unity, the shell  I think has mutter
[08:46] <urlin2u> scoundrel50a, it is in the repos, so it hasn't on my setup and tons of others
[08:46] <scoundrel50a> oh, ok
[08:46] <scoundrel50a> will give it a trhy
[08:46] <nmvictor> what? mutter, is its as powerfull, urlin2u ?
[08:48] <urlin2u> nmvictor, mutter is a window manager like compiz for unity http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutter_%28window_manager%29
[08:48] <urlin2u> nmvictor, I haven't messed wiy=th the gnome shell other than using it.
[08:48] <urlin2u> with*
[08:49]  * rwat_ has dispensed with unity and gone over to enlightenment
[08:49] <rwat_> unity is too fussy
[08:50] <urlin2u> rwat_, enlightenment is a nice desktop
[08:52] <rwat_> urlin2u,  it's very lovely - a lot better than when I last tried about 6 years ago :)
[08:52] <nmvictor> urlin2u: I have a problem updating my packages list, looks like apt is not resolving my proxy connection. I have set the proxy settings in the system settings and applied them system wide but still no luck. What do i do, I am stuck and the proxy connection is all i have.
[08:52] <rwat_> underrated, I think an ubuntu variant on it would be good :)
[08:53] <urlin2u> nmvictor, out of my knowledge area.
[08:55] <urlin2u> rwat_, have you checked out bodhi linux  http://bodhilinux.com/
[08:56] <nmvictor> anyone else assist me please, after setting my proxy settings in System Settings>Network>Network proxy ,  and applying them system wide, apt is still not able to resolve and fetch packages.
[09:00] <scoundrel50a> ooh, I like this better than, how do you reduce the size of the icons though they are huge
[09:00] <bibinou> nmvictor: you tried rebooting ?
[09:01] <bibinou> or logging in/out
[09:01] <scoundrel50a> yes
[09:01] <nmvictor> bibinou: nope, lemme
[09:13] <rwat_> urlin2u, bodhilinux looks interesting
[09:13] <nmvictor> bibinou: ok, I just did that. reboot and still doesnt work. I have my proxy setting in /etc/environment.  I dont know where elese to check, especiallly in relation to update manager, dpkg or apt. Please help
[09:13] <urlin2u> rwat_, I don't run it right now but have, I think it is debian, at least it was.
[09:13] <rwat_> urlin2u, seems to be ubuntu
[09:14] <rwat_> although debian is good :)
[09:14] <urlin2u> bodji linux debian
[09:14] <bibinou> nmvictor: looking for it
[09:14] <dud> i got some beavis
[09:14] <dud> heh
[09:15] <dud> some developer has decided not to use samba 3.6, why?
[09:15] <bibinou> nmvictor: you confirm "curl http://google.com/" works ?
[09:15] <bibinou> (i.e. it shows html)
[09:16] <urlin2u> rwat_, I think your right looking at the web
[09:17] <bibinou> nmvictor: use this method -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Howto#APT_configuration_file_method
[09:17] <bibinou> Acquire::http::Proxy "http://yourproxyaddress:proxyport";
[09:32] <bullgard4> [GNOME 3] Clicking Super key > SYN will display 3 icons on my desktop: Synaptic-Paketverwaltung, Orca and synaptic-kde.desktop. Why is »Orca« included here?
[09:35] <bibinou> cat /usr/share/applications/orca.desktop | grep -i syn
[09:35] <bibinou> "Comment=Provide access to graphical desktop environments via synthesized..."
[09:35] <bibinou> in the description :)
[09:57] <bullgard4> bibinou: Thank you very much for your help.
[10:26] <daedeloth> hi
[10:26] <daedeloth> I have a 3 monitor setup and the fact that my start menu is now sometimes 3000px away from my mouse cursor is rather annoying
[10:26] <daedeloth> is there anything I can do about that?
[11:07] <Ian_Corne> make the middle scrren primary?
[11:27] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[11:36] <corecode> hi
[11:37] <corecode> i have a problem with the new kernel image; my /boot is on vfat, and the new kernel doesn't install because it can't make a backup link for the old kernel
[12:23] <Dayside> hey
[12:24] <Dayside> I'm using oneiric as it's actually works on my laptop
[12:24] <Dayside> except wireless
[12:24] <Dayside> laptop is ideapad s205 with ralink rt3090 chip
[12:24] <Dayside> there is one ppa for the driver but not for oneiric
[12:25] <Dayside> I also did try to download and compile driver from ralink website, but it won't compile anymore on recent kernels
[12:27] <Dayside> any ideas?
[12:28] <Dayside> all documentation about rmmod acer_wmi rt2x00 and so on is quite confusing
[12:28] <Dayside> it seems that there is somekind of support for this chip in the kernel, it just that it needs some magick hack to work.
[12:29] <knightstalker> Hello,My network is suddenly dead,I assume Updates broke it,First my touchpad turn on/off broke 2 days ago,now my calender and my network both got broken
[12:29] <knightstalker> LAN/Wireless are both broke
[12:29] <knightstalker> any ideas about how to debug and fix the issue?
[12:29] <knightstalker> Updates seem super scary on Ubuntu,both Beta and final releases
[12:30] <Dayside> what wireless you have?
[12:30] <Smeuuh> hi, I get 403 errors on upgrade
[12:30] <Dayside> I have ralink rt3090
[12:30] <Smeuuh> http://pastebin.com/yMTYTgUj
[12:30] <Dayside> won't work.
[12:30] <Smeuuh> anyone else seeing this?
[12:30] <knightstalker> Daysida,thats not the point,It WAS working,the LAN also doesn't work
[12:30] <knightstalker> the whole network manager is gone
[12:30] <knightstalker> (No wireless/Lan indicator in the top of the OS)
[12:30] <knightstalker> and apt reports its fine
[12:31] <Dayside> knightstalker, when did you upgrade? I did install daily build yesterday an it seems ok
[12:32] <knightstalker> I upgraded today,thats not the point,fresh install works fine,but if you eventually update,it kills everything,you might not believe it,but such a behavior is not something I saw just once
[12:33] <Dayside> But about this problem I have. I've done some googling and seems that linux in general is useless for me at the moment. They fucked up something(or removed) from the kernel regarding ralink I quess.
[12:35] <Smeuuh> ok, interrestingly, I get random errors from wget on those packages: it works, or I get 404, or 403
[12:35] <Smeuuh> round robin going wrong maybe
[12:39] <dashavoo> Smeuuh: I have had a problem today with one package, I can't remember which
[12:40] <Smeuuh> I actually got it, I just repeated wget on the packages until it worked
[12:40] <Smeuuh> and then put it manually in the apt cache
[12:40] <dashavoo> hmmm, interesting
[12:40] <Smeuuh> probably some temporary bug so I'm not reporting it
[12:40] <dashavoo> I just gave up after a couple of attempts, and decided to try later
[12:41] <Smeuuh> just get it somehow and move it to /var/cache/apt/archives/, should do the trick
[12:41] <Smeuuh> (at least I'm hoping)
[12:41] <dashavoo> actually, looks like it works now anyway, yay
[12:42] <Smeuuh> cool, so we can break our systems now :)
[12:42] <Smeuuh> just to be sure, I can still get gnome-panel, right?
[12:42] <dashavoo> Smeuuh: what are you doing?
[12:42] <dashavoo> upgrading to 11.10?
[12:42] <Smeuuh> upgrading to 11.10
[12:42] <dashavoo> then no
[12:42] <dashavoo> I don't think you can
[12:43] <Smeuuh> I saw gnome-panel-fallback or something
[12:43] <dashavoo> I've switched my main system to KDE, KDE in 11.10 (KDE 4.7) is very nice, apart from one bug that makes me want to kill a kde dev
[12:44] <dashavoo> Smeuuh: hmm, maybe then, but I wouldn't count on it
[12:44] <Smeuuh> there's no way I'm switching to yet another buggy system
[12:44] <Dayside> I have to start using Windows. Too tired with fighting this wireless
[12:44] <dashavoo> for anyone who wants to know, that kde bug is the fact that everything thinks ~/Documents is the current working directory
[12:44] <Smeuuh> either gnome-panel works, or I'll just use some random minimalist window manager
[12:45] <Smeuuh> wow that sucks.
[12:45] <dashavoo> Smeuuh: my laptop runs openbox with stalonetray - it is a lovely setup if you configure it well
[12:45] <Smeuuh> I just love it when devs have a brilliant idea and force it upon everything else
[12:45] <dashavoo> Smeuuh: yeah
[12:46] <knightstalker> Dayside,only one thing I can think of,connect using LAN,open Additional Drivers
[12:46] <dashavoo> "hhmmm, I organise my homedir like this, you all should too... commit!"
[12:46] <knightstalker> My Dell's wireless had a driver there
[12:46] <Smeuuh> exactly
[12:51] <knightstalker> Btw,when finished product is out,Updates will roll out more slowly right?
[12:51] <Smeuuh> yep
[12:53] <Smeuuh> so in total, ignoring KDE and stuff, there's basically unity, unity2d, gnome3, gnome3-2d, gnome-panel and gnome-panel2d, right?
[12:54] <knightstalker> yeah if you ignore xfce/kde/lxde and other stuff
[12:55] <knightstalker> packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/
[12:55] <knightstalker> That might help
[12:55] <Smeuuh> right, thanks
[13:05] <lusepuster> Hi folks; after the latest update in Oneiric, I have lost all network connectivity! The icon in the Unity panel is gone, and I cannot even get connection when plugging in my ethernet cable. Writing this from my Win7 partition.
[13:06] <ironhalik> dont worry, I cant install oneiric ;>
[13:07] <knightstalker> lusepuster,same as me!
[13:07] <knightstalker> I am pwned :(
[13:08] <Smeuuh> do you have network connection in the ttys ?
[13:08] <Smeuuh> ctrl alt f1
[13:08] <dashavoo> lusepuster, knightstalker, did you try restarting networking with the ethernet cable plugged in?
[13:08] <lusepuster> knightstalker, yeah it is very bad! How can we even install the patches when they come out with no connection whatsoever?
[13:08] <ironhalik> is there some changelog for daily builds?
[13:08] <lusepuster> dashavoo, no haven't tried that
[13:08] <knightstalker> dashavoo,no
[13:08] <lusepuster> dashavoo, any command for that?
[13:08] <knightstalker> I am on 10.04.3 now,Its my Emergency OS when something goes wrong
[13:09] <dashavoo> with your network cable plugged in, try "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[13:09] <h00k> lusepuster: check out the link in the /topic regarding the bug
[13:09] <dashavoo> if it doesn't help, try killing network manager first... which is a lot harder than it sounds
[13:09] <h00k> lusepuster: there's instructions there to fix it, regarding libnss2
[13:10] <h00k> oh, it's gone.
[13:10] <h00k> standby.
[13:10] <Pici> h00k: it should be fixed now....
[13:10] <knightstalker> woah,so its a known issue,I was so worried about reinstalling stuff...
[13:10] <h00k> Pici: it doesn't fix itself
[13:10] <Pici> Twas http://pad.lv/855171
[13:10] <h00k> there we go, that ^
[13:10] <lusepuster> h00k, okay you lost me, /topic about the bug?
[13:10] <knightstalker> lusepuster,http://pad.lv/855171
[13:10] <h00k> lusepuster: check that link Pici posted
[13:11] <knightstalker> right :p
[13:11] <h00k> Pici: It required me to 'sudo apt-get install --reinstall libnss3 libnss3:i386'
[13:11] <lusepuster> got it
[13:12] <h00k> Then it was fixed, just before my wife got home. She wouldn't be happy with things broken :)
[13:12] <lusepuster> THat is all it takes? Really hope so
[13:12] <h00k> yep
[13:12] <knightstalker> h00k,no need for connection right?
[13:13] <lusepuster> Provided we can get net access by... how was it, restarting netwoeking with the ethernet cable plugged in?
[13:13] <h00k> knightstalker: good question, I already had mine set up (sudo dhclient etho)
[13:13] <Smeuuh> if your cache is still alive, it should be OK
[13:13] <knightstalker> my cache is sure alive,it was updated 5 hours ago
[13:13] <knightstalker> so I am restarting,bye bye
[13:16] <h00k> by etho, I meant eth0.
[13:16] <lusepuster> h00k, got it :-)
[13:16] <h00k> lusepuster: cool.
[13:16] <lusepuster> h00k,  exactly does dhclient do?
[13:17] <Smeuuh> it gets a DHCP address
[13:17] <lusepuster> h00k, Smeuuh, doesn't that happen automagically when you restart networking?
[13:18] <h00k> lusepuster: starts dhclient, makes it use eth0. Takes the place of nm-applet not handling networking temporarily.
[13:18] <h00k> lusepuster: broadcasts/grabs DHCP
[13:18] <lusepuster> h00k, so I could do that instead of, or in addition to, init.d/networking restart?
[13:19] <h00k> lusepuster: normally nm-applet handles it, but with libnss2 broken, nm-applet wouldn't run to handle the network interfaces
[13:19] <h00k> lusepuster: I'm not sure if 'sudo service networking restart' does dhclient/users /etc/network/interfaces, or if that talks to whatever nm-applet does
[13:19] <h00k> someone else in here probably knows more.
[13:20] <lusepuster> h00k, I get that so far, but you suggested doing sudo /etc/init.d/network restart and sudo dhclient eth0 - but should I do them in sequence like stated, or are they alternative solutions?
[13:20] <h00k> s/users/uses/
[13:20] <h00k> lusepuster: I didn't do 'sudo service network restart' (service is short for /etc/init.d/), I just did dhclient
[13:21] <h00k> that may work, I'm not sure :)
[13:21] <lusepuster> h00k, okay thank you! I'm gonna write it down and try it out...
[13:21] <h00k> lusepuster: I normally do dhclient on a wired device in a bind, like with libnss2 borked.
[13:27] <knightstalker> Wasn't fixed
[13:27] <knightstalker> did try to update caches
[13:27] <knightstalker> This is a hell of a bug
[13:27] <knightstalker> One of those,You'd better go and reinstall
[13:28] <lusepuster> knightstalker, so you did get ethernet access?
[13:28] <knightstalker> Not really
[13:30] <knightstalker> lusepuster,did you?
[13:31] <lusepuster> Didn't try yet
[13:31] <lusepuster> But I mean, you cannot update your cache without net access
[13:31] <knightstalker> Okay,I'll wait till you try,I do not have two PCs,its hard to restart again and again
[13:32] <knightstalker> Yeah,I cant
[13:32] <knightstalker> Tried using CD but not helpful
[13:33] <Smeuuh> hmm, apparently debconf doesn't want to prompt me, for some reason
[14:00] <lgp171188> Hi, how do I change the color of the text of the unselected icons in my desktop? A recent update changed the color to black which is not clearly visible against my desktop background.
[14:17] <thoeger> knightstalker, h00k , okay first step: getting online with dhclient worked, reinstalled libnss3, seeing what's happening now.
[14:17] <knightstalker> ah didn't try dhclient
[14:18] <knightstalker> Lets hope its fixed =)
[14:21] <h00k> thoeger: see if you can launch empathy from a terminal
[14:21] <h00k> thoeger: empathy requires libnss2
[14:21] <thoeger> Ahaa, I'll try
[14:22] <h00k> thoeger: then you can see if libnss2 issue is fixed
[14:22] <thoeger> Empathy is up and running
[14:22] <knightstalker> wasn't that supposed to fix internet connection?
[14:22] <thoeger> (But wasn't it libnss3? I'm confused...)
[14:22] <h00k> er
[14:22] <knightstalker> Can't he just test internet?
[14:22] <h00k> probably, consider that a typo.
[14:22] <thoeger> Heheh, okay
[14:22] <h00k> knightstalker: it should, nm-applet used libnss3 as well
[14:23] <thoeger> h00k, knightstalker Empathy runs fine, should I try and run nm-applet from terminal as next step?
[14:23] <h00k> thoeger: yep
[14:23] <h00k> if empathy runs, nm-applet should
[14:23] <thoeger> It won't run from terminal though
[14:24] <knightstalker> so the first step,you did dhclient eth0?
[14:24] <thoeger> h00k, " The name org.freedesktop.NetworkManager was not provided by any .service files"
[14:24] <thoeger> knightstalker, first plugin eth0 cablem then "sudo dhclient eth0".
[14:25] <thoeger> I'll try and reboot now and see how it works
[14:25] <thoeger> But I agree, this is a very bad bug, I know it's unstable and beta and all, but isn't this something you'd onlyexpect for Alpha software?
[14:25] <h00k> thoeger: make sure you apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:26] <thoeger> I just aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade'd, should be OK yes? ;-)
[14:26] <michaelfavia> thoeger, i think i have your same issue but just joined channel
[14:26] <michaelfavia> mind explaining your problem the short version?
[14:26] <h00k> michaelfavia: libnss3 issue?
[14:26] <knightstalker> michaelfavia,after update,network goes mad(Lan/Wireless)
[14:26] <thoeger> michaelfavia, after upgrade network completely borked and gone?
[14:27] <michaelfavia> thoeger, yes
[14:27] <h00k> michaelfavia: 08:54 <            h00k > remote desktop, support....things not done by ssh?
[14:27] <h00k> er
[14:27] <h00k> paste fail
[14:27] <michaelfavia> upgrade resulted in no network, no nm-applet,
[14:27] <h00k> bug 855171
[14:27] <michaelfavia> h00k, danke!
[14:28] <michaelfavia> "it is critical to restore this library to the system before rebooting; otherwise users may not have the network access needed to fix the problem" doh ;)
[14:29] <knightstalker> thoegar,any luck?
[14:29] <thoeger> knightstalker, you'll know when I know ;_)
[14:30] <knightstalker> lol
[14:30] <Knight|Dinner> Brb :\
[14:36] <michaelfavia> Knight|Dinner,  hook thoeger, thank you very much copying the libnss3.so to /usr/lib allowed me to start netwrok-mangaer and im back online able to pull down updates
[14:36] <michaelfavia> much obliged.
[14:36] <michaelfavia> h00k,
[14:36] <mneptok> hjalp! after running updates ~10h ago (then going to bed) i awoke to find i have no network interfaces other than loopback, and complaints about missing libnss. known problem?
[14:37] <michaelfavia> mneptok, i can help you with this one ;)
[14:37] <michaelfavia> https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 this is the issue
[14:37]  * mneptok looks
[14:37] <h00k> mneptok: that be the one
[14:38] <michaelfavia> and you simply: `sudo cp -r /usr/lib/firefox-7.0/libnss3.so /usr/lib`
[14:38] <mneptok> uhhh ...
[14:38] <michaelfavia> then you restart network-manager
[14:38] <thoeger> KnightStalker, h00k michaelfavia  Aaaaaand... we're up and running.
[14:38] <KnightStalker> Thanks!,Copying log from xchat,Restarting to 11.10 ;)
[14:38] <thoeger> Network Manager works fine after upgrade
[14:38] <michaelfavia> thoeger, well done
[14:38] <mneptok> "Run this command to install packages off the network. This will then allow the network to function."
[14:38] <thoeger> and reinstall of libnss3
[14:38] <michaelfavia> mneptok, just do as i say ok?
[14:39] <h00k> mneptok: the --reinstall line
[14:39] <h00k> mneptok: that worked for me
[14:39] <michaelfavia> if you have the package you can reinsttall
[14:39] <michaelfavia> but that might fail
[14:39] <michaelfavia> if that does you can copy the library which firefox also has a copy of
[14:39] <thoeger> michaelfavia, mneptok still the network gone at reinstall issue?
[14:39] <h00k> if you don't, dhclient eth0, apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade, --reinstall line from bug-report
[14:39] <michaelfavia> and networkmanager can get up and runing and you can upgrade out of your problem
[14:40] <michaelfavia> thoeger, for him.
[14:40] <mneptok> and i don't like the "i386" bit in the reinstall instructions
[14:40] <michaelfavia> i copied the lib and restarted nm and im up and running
[14:40] <h00k> then skip it
[14:40] <michaelfavia> mneptok, if you just copy the library and reinstall the package youll be fine but its up to you good lick
[14:40] <thoeger> michaelfavia, I tried copying the Firefox-version of the library file, didn't seem to work for me but I might not have taken the time to actually restart
[14:40] <mneptok> let's see if my fanatical use of "apt-get clean" bites me
[14:41] <michaelfavia> h00k, thoeger thx take it eas fellas
[14:41] <thoeger> michaelfavia, you too, It was all h00k 's doing
[14:41] <thoeger> I just followed his instructions
[14:41] <h00k> I just read the bug report and played around ;)
[14:43] <mneptok> yup, --reinstall fails as the original .deb is no longer in the cache
[14:43] <thoeger> mneptok, I had the same issue
[14:44] <h00k> mneptok: if you can plug in to an ethernet port, sudo dhclient eth0, then try
[14:44] <Fawzib> question: what packages i need in 11.10 other than unity-2d/lightdm/light-themes to have a minimal desktop
[14:45] <thoeger> You could try michaelfavia 's method of copying the Firefox version of the library into the /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu (or whatever the name is) folder, of h00k 's solution of plugging in an ethernet cable, doing a sudo dhclient eth0 and then an aptitude reinstall libnss3
[14:45] <knightstalker> Fixed,Now I get it,The new updates also fixed the calender
[14:45] <thoeger> knightstalker, calendar?
[14:45] <knightstalker> yeah,calender in the top bar
[14:45] <knightstalker> you couldn't click on any days/or move months/years
[14:46] <knightstalker> it was a known bug which was supposed to get fixed on beta2
[14:46] <thoeger> knightstalker, what was up with that?
[14:46] <knightstalker> It was stuck,I also found out that when my network was down,calender in the top bar was not accessible either
[14:46] <knightstalker> but when I fixed it,its back again,and its fixed too ;)
[14:46] <michaelfavia> h00k, you might want to change that working to "No network connection after update: click here"
[14:47] <michaelfavia> s/working/warning
[14:47] <michaelfavia> ;)
[14:47] <thoeger> Ah, okay. I had a different issue where my /etc/timezones file was borked so the clock just said "time" instead of showing the actual date and time. Had to recreate the file manually.
[14:47] <mneptok> h00k: before i start manually bringing up interfaces like this is 1996, any other reasons that i should hate Java maintainers today? ;)
[14:49] <Fawzib> question: what packages i need in 11.10 other than unity-2d/lightdm/light-themes to have a minimal desktop (e.g. appearance option does not work, what package is needed for that?)
[14:53] <thoeger> Okay, on a completely unrelated note: Why is it that after upgrade, my 3D acceleration has gone bye-bye? I'm on an Intel card, known issue?
[14:57] <h00k> mneptok: *cough*
[14:57] <Ian_Corne> 2nd kernelpanic on my eee
[14:57] <Ian_Corne> hmmrf
[14:57] <h00k> michaelfavia: it's more than just networking
[14:57] <h00k> michaelfavia: it's anything that uses libnss3
[14:57] <h00k> michaelfavia: empathy, chromium-browser, nm-applet, etc
[15:00] <mneptok> h00k: never mind. found a blame target. :)
[15:01] <Ian_Corne> is ca-certs safe now?
[15:02] <thoeger> h00k, Aaah, that explains while I couldn't start CHromium either!
[15:02] <Ian_Corne>   Candidate: 20110502+nmu1ubuntu3
[15:09] <h00k> thoeger: yep ;)
[15:10] <thoeger> OKay guys thanks for yer hylp. I'm off to cook for the missus and the mini.
[15:15] <xorAxAx> hi, i just upgraded to oneiric and want to use gnome-shell. i chose the GNOME session type and logged in. then nothing from the session started except for my startup file
[15:15] <xorAxAx> i.e. no metacity, no panel, but the desktop
[15:16] <xorAxAx> the root window has a menu bar
[15:17] <Ian_Corne> apt-get install gnome-shell
[15:17] <xorAxAx> thats installed
[15:17] <Ian_Corne> then i don't know :)
[15:17] <mneptok> urgh. Terminator needs to respect xdg settings. *grumble*
[15:18] <mneptok> xorAxAx: try moving your dotfiles and folders aside to see if something in your GNOME2 or Unity settings is interfering?
[15:18] <xorAxAx> $ gnome-shell
[15:19] <xorAxAx>  gnome-shell: error while loading shared libraries: libnss3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:19] <xorAxAx> hah!
[15:19] <mneptok> then there it is.
[15:19] <h00k> heh.
[15:20] <xorAxAx> but the package is installed
[15:20] <xorAxAx> but its incomplete
[15:20] <h00k> xorAxAx: check out the bug report in the topic, here
[15:20] <xorAxAx> something deleted its files
[15:20] <bjsnider> xorAxAx, that error was explained in the topic
[15:20] <h00k> xorAxAx: it was a recent update that borked it
[15:20] <xorAxAx> as long as it doesnt eat /usr :D
[15:21] <mneptok> xorAxAx: just /boot and /home ;)
[15:21]  * mneptok is kidding
[15:24] <xorAxAx> now its working :)
[15:31] <xorAxAx> thanks
[15:37] <genii-around> I have Ubuntu, Kubuntu, and Xubuntu desktops installed here... When walking through applications in Kubuntu in the first virtual desktop... Nautilus instance which is uncloseable appears there.. The video here is sort of self-explanatory : http://tinypic.com/r/6zy3qv/7
[15:39] <mneptok> genii-around: i just installed Xubuntu 11.10 last week, and found that tryoing to replace Pidgin with Empathy pulled in a ton of Nautilus-related stuff. *shrug*
[15:39] <mneptok> genii-around: try not using Empathy, and ensuring telepathy-stuffs daemons are not auto-running,
[15:53] <dud> what the hell is with network manager?
[15:53] <dud> network-manager doesnt start it
[15:54] <h00k> dud: check the bug report in the /topic
[15:54] <knightstalker> the one regarding ca-certificates
[15:55] <dud> i was asking where the network manager has gone?!
[15:55] <h00k> dud: yeah, that's a symptom of the bug in the topic
[15:55] <knightstalker> dud,thats the bug which doesn't let it network-manager to run
[15:55] <ironhalik> Can I install b43-firmware from natty onto oneiric? Its not in the repos by default but maybe I could force it?
[15:56] <dud> ah network manager is buggy
[15:57] <knightstalker> its not network-manager,its libnss3 being missing
[15:57] <dud> how to downgrade this d?
[15:57] <knightstalker> Empathy and some other things might not work either
[15:57] <knightstalker> simply reinstall libnss3,and its fixed
[15:57] <dud> ok sir
[15:57] <knightstalker> or sudo cp -r /usr/lib/firefox-7.0/libnss3.so /usr/lib if you cant reinstall libnss3,it seems to be working... :p
[15:58] <dud> thats a simple answer of my question, next time you may say the solution thank you very much mister knightstalker
[15:58] <h00k> dud: the bug report describes the issue as well as the fix, too, which is why I pointed you there
[15:58] <dud> i usualy use debian repositories, because they are supposed ti be more stable
[15:59] <knightstalker> debian repositories on ubuntu? oO
[15:59] <h00k> dud: using debian repositories on an ubuntu system is silly, because things are not straightforward between the two,.
[15:59] <dud> i agree
[15:59] <dud> but stuff like samba3.60 works
[15:59] <dud> thats not much different to debian
[16:00] <knightstalker> dud,anyways,while this might have given you headache,Calender in the top bar was fixed for me after copying libnss3 to /usr/lib
[16:00] <knightstalker> so its not all bad =)
[16:01] <dud> well its not my machine, my friend killing me now
[16:01] <dud> he has some issues with sandy bridge on xorg
[16:01] <dud> some freezes and other things... well he is angry now
[16:01] <knightstalker> he is angry but yet,he installs Beta? :P
[16:02] <knightstalker> or...did you? :p
[16:02] <dud> because the nattyistic xorg had even more problems with it
[16:02] <dud> so i decided to do a unusual task
[16:02] <mneptok> lots of issues can be created by mixing the repositories of different distributions using an unreleased beta OS. just saying ...
[16:03] <dud> he uses the machine only as a fileserver with xbmc for tv
[16:03] <dud> so nothing productive
[16:03] <mneptok> so then there's no need for X11 at all.
[16:03] <mneptok> problem solved.
[16:04] <dud> no need for x11 xbmc?
[16:04] <dud> does x11 run w/o x11?
[16:04] <dud> i didnt' know that
[16:04] <dud> thanks for the hint
[16:05] <BluesKaj> the tv has to use X for xbmc
[16:05] <mneptok> oh, i thought you said he was only using the file-serving aspect of XMBC. piping its output to a game console or something.
[16:05] <mneptok> which i have done with media servers and requires no GUI
[16:06] <dud> no the hdmi wire is going in his tv set
[16:06] <dud> 20 meters afaik
[16:06] <BluesKaj> well, he;s using X then
[16:07] <BluesKaj> the tv is the monitor
[16:07] <dud> no the monitor is in his restroom
[16:07] <dud> the tv is separate x screen
[16:08] <BluesKaj> ok whatever he uses for video display from the hdmi connection requires X
[16:08] <BluesKaj> on the server
[16:09] <dud> yeah unfnordunately yes
[16:37] <nebula_> help me
[16:37] <nebula_>  Failed to create /home/nebula/.cache/google-chrome/Default Aborted now fix ?
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> nebula_: dude
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> more information
[16:38] <Ian_Corne> we're not your slaves
[16:40] <ironhalik> ;D
[16:41] <ironhalik> whens the new beta? Tommorrow?
[16:42] <Ian_Corne> !schedule
[16:42] <ironhalik> thx
[16:43] <nebula_> Ian_Corne,  after upgrade from 13 to 14 stable version and not initiated
[16:47] <nebula_> Ian_Corne,
[16:47] <nebula_> ?
[16:47] <Ian_Corne> yes?
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> ls -la ~/.cache/
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> and then
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> ls -la ~/.cache/google-chrome
[16:48] <Ian_Corne> and put it in a pastebin
[16:50] <nebula_> Ian_Corne, google-chrome
[16:50] <nebula_> [5989:5989:6033036406:FATAL:profile_impl.cc(352)] Failed to create /home/nebula/.cache/google-chrome/Default
[16:50] <nebula_> Aborted (core dumped)
[16:50] <nebula_> :(
[16:50] <nebula_> now fix ?
[16:53] <Ian_Corne> listen to what I said
[16:54] <bjsnider> he may not have ownership over the directory for some reason
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> that's why i asked him to ls -la
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> nebula_:
[16:57] <Ian_Corne> chown -R nebula:nebula /home/nebula
[16:58] <nebula_> chown: cannot read directory `/home/nebula/.cache/google-chrome': Permission denied
[16:58] <nebula_> chown: changing ownership of `/home/nebula/.aptitude/config': Operation not permitted
[16:59] <Ian_Corne> ok
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> sudo it
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> sudo chown -R nebula:nebula /home/nebula
[17:00] <Ian_Corne> you probably started chrome once with sudo...
[17:01] <nebula_> chown: cannot access `/home/nebula/.gvfs': Permission denied
[17:01] <nebula_> Ian_Corne,
[17:01] <Ian_Corne> that's ok
[17:02] <Ian_Corne> try it again
[17:06] <nebula_> Ian_Corne,  10x 10x
[17:06] <GreekFreak> Hello. Could someone tell me where I can find what Kernel version and Mesa version Oneiric will be using? I need to a specific version and up for some graphiocs drivers and I'd rather ubuntu does it for me (as opposed to experimenting)
[17:07] <Ian_Corne> 10x 10x what's that?
[17:07] <mneptok> "GUI Browsers With Root Privileges" will someday be a third-person horror survivalo game for the PS5
[17:08] <pythonsnake> Hello everybody
[17:08] <mneptok> GreekFreak: using a 3.0.x series here. iterations of it are likely to change before release.
[17:08] <pythonsnake> can we get gnome 2 on O ?
[17:10] <Pici> pythonsnake: No. GNOME 2 is no longer supported by GNOME and will not be on oneiric.
[17:10] <pythonsnake> too bad
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> well
[17:10] <pythonsnake> gnome 3 "sucks"
[17:10] <Ian_Corne> you can still compile it yourselve
[17:10] <mneptok> pythonsnake: my *personal* dissatisfaction with GNOME 3, Unity and other stuff has made me an XFCE user. after 10 years of GNOME. make of that what you will.
[17:11] <mneptok> pythonsnake: i'm currently running the Xubuntu 11.10 beta. and i stress again the word *personal* above.
[17:11] <GreekFreak> mneptok: Thank you.
[17:12] <Pici> !notunity | pythonsnake you might find this useful
[17:12] <pythonsnake> gnome fallback break
[17:13] <edgy> Hi, software-center crashes, I guess this is because of a configuration file in my home directory, because the problem happens after I copied my old home, the error is at
[17:13] <edgy> http://pastebin.ca/2081881
[17:15] <GreekFreak> mneptok: sorry for the late reply. I need drivers for a graphics card that is not supperted, and xorg-edgers require kernel 2.6.39+ and mesa 7.11+ . Thanks for the help
[17:16] <mneptok> GreekFreak: 3DFX? Matrox? ;)
[17:17] <GreekFreak> mneptok: From Matrox I assume those are cards. No. It's the ATI HD 6470M which is not yet supported
[17:18] <bjsnider> if it's not supported by fglrx yet you can always use something like vesa, but that would be selected automatically
[17:20] <mneptok> GreekFreak: the RadeonHD in my Fusion E-350 with fglrx does NOT play nicely. may be UEFI, but i learned through a reinstallation process to avoid the fglrx with 3.x for now. keep that in mind when you test all future endeavors on a USB stick before your actual disk. ;)
[17:21] <famine_> im using gnome3 with the gnome-shell package (gnome-shell makes gnome3 look like gnome2), and except for a few small hiccups trying to find settings i am loving it
[17:21] <famine_> prefer it over gnome2
[17:21] <GreekFreak> mneptok: thank you I will. I spoke to ATI and they told me they're working on it, and I wanted to find opensource drivers until theirs is completed
[17:22] <bjsnider> gnome-shell makes gnome3 look like gnome2? no idea what that means
[17:22] <knightstalker> famine_,really?! oO
[17:22] <knightstalker> gnome-shell doesn't look like gnome2...
[17:22] <mneptok> GreekFreak: test with the open source "radeon" driver. it may not be as fast or get the sw00ty control panel, but it does what i need on the laptop.
[17:22] <knightstalker> did you mean gnome-session-fallback/gnome-panel
[17:22] <famine_> ya thats what i mean
[17:23] <famine_> http://imageshack.us/f/641/screenshotat20110921132.png/ <--- thats what my gnome3 looks like
[17:24] <GreekFreak> mneptok: I trid that driver, but after so many changes I don't know what worked and what didn't. I'm busy reformatting as we speak
[17:26] <mneptok> GreekFreak: it's the kernel default. install nothing but the base system, and then play around. keeping in mind that switching to an external monitor might mean an X restart (bad) or a reboot (worse). but for me, it's doing what i need for now, and with fglrx my machine won't boot. options are few.
[17:27] <bjsnider> famine_, so you prefer that to gnome-shell?
[17:28] <famine_> ya i like it, i also like how things like pidgin msn messages are integrated into the desktop
[17:29] <famine_> granted, there were annoying things, like getting the close/minimize/maximize buttons on the right hand side
[17:30] <GreekFreak> mneptok: At the moment if I don't install fglrx, it shows a black screen on boot, and I have to boot using "nomodeset" in the grub screen
[17:32] <mneptok> GreekFreak: try "radeon.modeset=1" as a kernel option, and make it permanent if it works.
[17:32] <GreekFreak> mneptok: where do I set that?
[17:33] <mneptok> GreekFreak: the same place as "nomodeset" by editing the kernel boot parameters from the GRUB screen
[17:35] <mneptok> GreekFreak: if it fails, try "nomodeset" again and see what performance you get. but that disables KMS, which is not really optimal.
[17:35] <GreekFreak> mneptok: I simply replace "quiet splash with "nomodeset" but at the next boot it's back to "quiet splash". I'm assuming you mean I replace it with "radeon.modeset-1" and then press something other than "Ctrl-X"
[17:36] <GreekFreak> mneptok: I can't do check now as I'm doing a long format, which is why I ask
[17:37] <mneptok> GreekFreak: boot and edit the GRUB menu. add "radeon.modeset=1" (no quotes) to the kernel boot parameters alongside "quiet" and "splash" and see what happens. if it works, and things seem good, you can tell GRUB that you always want to set that as an option, and it always will. ask here or #ubuntu when you get to that point.
[17:38] <GreekFreak> mneptok: perfect. That makes sense. I wish everyone was as clear as you ;) You've helped me a lot. Thank you very much :D
[17:38]  * mneptok bows
[17:39] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[17:52] <nmvictor> their was a functionality in 11.04 and before versions to select a window when you mouse over them., how do i do this in oneiric?
[17:52] <cwillu_at_work> FernandoMiguel == bugabundu?
[17:53] <FernandoMiguel> cwillu_at_work: correct sir
[17:53]  * cwillu_at_work pokes
[17:53]  * FernandoMiguel points to JID change
[17:53] <cwillu_at_work> FernandoMiguel, fancy
[17:54] <cwillu_at_work> FernandoMiguel, so, somebody asks you about btrfs, what do you tell them? :)
[17:54] <charlie-tca> really?
[17:54] <FernandoMiguel> go to ext4
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> good boy
[17:55] <charlie-tca> no wonder I never see BUG anymore
[17:55] <FernandoMiguel> btrfs not ready yet and slow
[17:55] <FernandoMiguel> charlie-tca: :(
[17:55] <FernandoMiguel> didn't you follow Plus/twitter blow up?
[17:55] <charlie-tca> yes, but I didn't realize you were changing your name here too
[17:55]  * cwillu_at_work had a user with inaccessible data in #btrfs a couple weeks ago who had previously heard good things from FernandoMiguel about it :p
[17:56] <FernandoMiguel> *everywhere*
[17:56] <cwillu_at_work> FernandoMiguel, what blowup?
[17:56] <FernandoMiguel> bugabundo identity is now dead (where ever I could)
[17:56] <charlie-tca> I see
[17:56] <FernandoMiguel> cwillu_at_work: no, can't be from me!
[17:56] <FernandoMiguel> only good thing about btrfs: snapshots
[17:56]  * cwillu_at_work looks suspicious :p
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> anyways, kdave just got finished making up up-to-date userspace packages for all the major distros
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/dsterba:/btrfs:/integration-20110805/xUbuntu_11.04/
[17:57] <FernandoMiguel> don't care :)
[17:57] <FernandoMiguel> still have one drive in btrfs
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> probably worth making a note of that and poking the relevant parties, as we're a year out of date :p
[17:57] <FernandoMiguel> need to take it out
[17:58] <FernandoMiguel> *but* it has precious data
[17:58] <FernandoMiguel> only one year?
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> well, given that a year ago btrfs could be counted on to reliably lock up your data on a hard reboot :p
[17:59]  * cwillu_at_work huggles
[18:01] <nmvictor> their was a functionality in 11.04 and before versions to select a window when you mouse over them., how do i do this in oneiric?
[18:02] <cwillu_at_work> nmvictor, focus follows mouse?
[18:03] <FernandoMiguel>  who is looking into video v4l ? it breaks with google chat plugin
[18:03] <cwillu_at_work> nmvictor, not really useable under unity; it doesn't fit well with the top-bar menu, and wasn't a high-priority for the devs last I checked
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> nmvictor, classic gnome should still support it though, as will most other wm's
[18:12] <swat_> i've noticed chrome/flash being quite slow on my netbook since upgrading to oneiric
[18:12] <swat_> it feels like a scheduling 'type' issue
[18:12] <swat_> was wondering if anyone else had any knowledge/experience of this
[18:16] <bjsnider> cwillu_at_work, i managed to save all the data on my drive and do a backup restore with ext4, so no btrfs anymore
[18:16] <cwillu_at_work> oh good
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> bjsnider, my netbook just acquired some transid-related corruption :p
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> (but it's only used for remote work anyway, so there's nothing of value on it)
[18:17] <cwillu_at_work> (this is the point :p)
[18:18] <cwillu_at_work> the point isn't to scare people off trying it, but to make sure they know what it is they're trying, and what precautions to take
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> cwillu_at_work: now go make ZFS work on Linux :)
[18:20] <bjsnider> yeah well, that's not happening right now
[18:20] <FernandoMiguel> that would be WIN
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> kinda sorta
[18:21] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, so google forced you to use a real name instead of an alias?
[18:21] <FernandoMiguel> no
[18:21] <FernandoMiguel> they _asked_. I refused
[18:22] <charlie-tca> Well, that certainly clears that confusion up ;)
[18:23] <FernandoMiguel> I need to write a blog post....
[18:23] <FernandoMiguel> but I don't want to cross both identities .... so meh
[18:23] <FernandoMiguel> long story. and tooooo offtopic for this #
[18:24] <charlie-tca> okay, What's the identity on identi.ca now?
[18:24] <FernandoMiguel> none
[18:24] <FernandoMiguel> killed that account long ago
[18:24] <FernandoMiguel> I'm still on Brainbird
[18:24] <charlie-tca> neat
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Okay
[18:25] <FernandoMiguel> mi.FernandoMiguel.net
[18:25] <FernandoMiguel> charlie-tca: check FernandoMiguel.net contacts tab. all there :)
[18:25] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[18:26] <bjsnider> "If you put "BUGabundo" in the "Other names" field that name will still show up..."
[18:26] <bjsnider> i don't understand why you didn't just do that
[18:27] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: cause those are NOT the same identities
[18:27] <FernandoMiguel> BUGabundo is per si its one identity
[18:28] <FernandoMiguel> not a part of the person behind this keyboard
[18:28] <bjsnider> that's as clear as mud
[18:29] <FernandoMiguel> AH
[19:00] <synackfin> how do I boot to console instead of boot to X ?
[19:01] <Ian_Corne> use the recovery kernel line
[19:01] <Ian_Corne> and then "continue normal boot"
[19:02] <synackfin> Ian_Corne: does recovery enable a bunch of different things?  i.e. it won't bring up daemons and such?
[19:02] <h00k> synackfin: please don't crosspost
[19:02] <FernandoMiguel> synackfin: are you using 11.10?
[19:03] <synackfin> FernandoMiguel: yes
[19:04] <FernandoMiguel> you don't know how to boot to a TTY and are using a devel version?
[19:04] <h00k> !text > synackfin
[19:05] <synackfin> ubottu/h00k: I tried that option and it doesn't work
[19:05] <Ian_Corne> !text > Ian_Corne
[19:05] <h00k> synackfin: 'doesn't work' as in meaning what? Doesn't boot at all, doesn't boot to text mode, gives some message?
[19:06] <synackfin> h00k: I edited /etc/default/grub, changed "quiet splash" to "text", ran grub-update, rebooted, and I get a purple screen instead of the kernel booting, and then Unity comes up
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> did you check the grub menu to see if text was really there?
[19:07] <synackfin> yes, I verified that /boot/grub.cfg has "text" instead of "ro splash"
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> I don't have experience with the text option
[19:07] <synackfin> instead of "quiet splash" *
[19:07] <Ian_Corne> but you can always use the recovery option
[19:07] <FernandoMiguel> not supported in grub2
[19:07] <synackfin> what's not supported in grub2?
[19:08] <FernandoMiguel> text parameter
[19:08] <synackfin> FernandoMiguel: doesn't grub just pass all parameters in the "linux" line?
[19:09] <FernandoMiguel> no idea for grub2
[19:09] <synackfin> it has: linux   /vmlinuz-3.1.0-0301rc4-generic root=/dev/mapper/vg_sfort-root ro   text
[19:09] <synackfin> should work
[19:17] <synackfin> h00k: is there any bug with 11.10 regarding ignoring 'text' ?
[19:17] <synackfin> or a bug with kernel 3.1-rc4 regarding ignoring 'text' ?
[19:17] <h00k> synackfin: no clue :)
[19:24] <thoeger> Okay is there a way to change the number of virtual desktops in Unity2D? I'm getting really frustrated about only having one, it's like Using Windows ;-)
[19:26] <jbicha> thoeger: do you have GNOME Shell installed?
[19:27] <jbicha> if so, see bug 826089
[19:31] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, are you using gnome at this point?
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: is _this_ called gnome ?
[19:31] <FernandoMiguel> I'm on "gnome" classic, aka fallback
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> gnome classic is not there anymore
[19:32] <Ian_Corne> there's gnome-shell
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> which is "Gnome"
[19:33] <Ian_Corne> in the menu
[19:33] <FernandoMiguel> Ian_Corne: install fallback
[19:36] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, i have a cuple of things for you to test, if you're up for it
[19:36] <synackfin> I got the boot portion to be text (/etc/default/grub, setting GRUB_TERMINAL=console)
[19:36] <synackfin> but it is still starting up X11 / Unity
[19:37] <synackfin> how do I disable it from running X11 ?
[19:37] <FernandoMiguel> synackfin: aptitude purge xorg-server
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider:  I can try
[19:38] <thoeger> jbicha, Yep, is that good or bad?
[19:38] <FernandoMiguel> I don't have a lot of time ... diner almost ready. but ill be all night if pidgin doesn't crash again
[19:40] <bjsnider> right, later
[19:40] <synackfin> FernandoMiguel: I still want it installed, but not run automatically
[19:40] <synackfin> FernandoMiguel: I want to run "startx" when needed
[19:41] <trism> synackfin: not sure why text wouldn't be working, another option is to disable the display manager from starting automatically, if lightdm, then: echo manual | sudo tee /etc/init/lightdm.override; should do it
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> synackfin: take it out of rc?
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: do talk
[19:41] <FernandoMiguel> while I can, ill test
[19:41] <trism> synackfin: if gdm you could replace lightdm with gdm in that command
[19:41] <synackfin> FernandoMiguel: I don't know which entry is for X11/Unity.  Also it uses upstart rather than sysV
[19:41] <synackfin> trism: 11.10 doesn't use gdm
[19:41] <trism> synackfin: gdm is still in the repos and you can use it if you wanted
[19:42] <zaery> I've been trying to find a bug report for this, but I can't find one, using the nvidia drivers, on resuming from a hibernate, i get this: http://i.imgur.com/3uxJ2.png doing this: "# compiz --replace&" makes it go away, though
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> I had that too
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> on my laptop
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> don't have the laptop anymore tho
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> i used unity --replace
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> ajnd it was from suspend
[19:43] <Ian_Corne> never hibernated
[19:44] <zaery> did you have to do unity --replace every time you resumed?
[19:44] <jbicha> thoeger: see the bug I posted 15 min ago
[19:44]  * macer1 is using 11.10
[19:44] <macer1> very unstable
[19:45] <macer1> and it is nearly beta 2...
[19:45] <synackfin> trism/FernandoMiguel: lightdm isn't even in an rcX.d level
[19:45] <macer1> so nearly release
[19:45] <dud> is there a setting for my holy anana?
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> be
[19:45] <FernandoMiguel> beats me
[19:45] <dud> screensaver setting
[19:45] <charlie-tca> Wouldn't expect lightdm in rcX.d either. It should be in upstart now, which doesn't use levels
[19:45] <trism> synackfin: (I didn't say anything about it being there)
[19:49] <antibody> cheers So yesterday I updated to 11.10 everything was ok ...even rebooted twice...today I cant login. lightdm or gdm. kde or unity several users. I have the nvidia logo and then everything crashes..help me please..I have ssh to it now and I couldnt see any error in the logs
[19:51] <zaery> Ian_Corne: did you have to do unity --replace every time you resumed?
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> yes
[19:52] <thoeger> jbicha, sorry didn't see that, thanks!
[19:52] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, why no gnome-shell/unity?
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: dinner! bbl
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> cause I hate those?
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> they take out the bottom bar so I can't change apps
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> cause dash requires MOUSE to do ANYTHING
[19:53] <jeffrash> Anyone seeing issues with windows becoming unselectable?  If I leave a window open for more then a few minutes I can't select it or click on it anymore
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> not realt FernandoMiguel
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> is real
[19:53] <Ian_Corne> there's shortcuts for anything
[19:53] <FernandoMiguel> again BBL
[19:57] <antibody> kdm works lightdm and gdm dont.
[19:57] <thoeger> jbicha, I'll try and log in and out now, thanks! But isn't there supposed to be a way to actually set this value?
[19:57] <jbicha> thoeger: you can use gconf-editor
[19:58] <jbicha> but it'll just get reset the next time you login to GNOME Shell...
[19:58] <thoeger> Yeah of course, but that's not for the causal user
[19:59] <thoeger> Yeah, but Gs is geneally borked by the presence of UNity as far as I can see, they don't seem to coexist too peacefully.
[20:00] <antibody> yeps unity works fine when I log with KDM . when I log with gdm or lightDM after nvidia logo the login screen comes back. what files should I remove or reinstall?
[20:07] <antibody> new question. my install failed because of no internet connection and dropbox pkg. how can I configure everything again? dpkg reconfigure --all?
[20:15] <jtaylor> probably the same: dpkg-reconfigure -a (and maybe -phigh if you don't want questions)
[20:19] <kholerabbi> did anyone have their internet killed in a recent update?
[20:19] <kholerabbi> recent = last 12 hours
[20:42] <zaery> has anyone seen a bug report for this after resuming from hibernate/suspend: http://i.imgur.com/3uxJ2.png
[20:44] <jbicha> zaery: that's a pretty cool effect :-), it probably wouldn't hurt to use ubuntu-bug unity for it
[21:27] <jo-erlend> I have to say I'm more than a little worried about oneiric.
[21:28] <jo-erlend> the past few days, it seems to have fallen completely apart.
[21:31] <swat_> jo-erlend: certainly some interesting packages creeping in
[21:32] <dashavoo> swat_: intreresting packages?
[21:32] <dashavoo> is it just me, or is there no handbrake in the oneiric repositories?
[21:33] <swat_> i meant, ones that have caused interesting problems this late on
[21:33] <dashavoo> or, was it never in ubuntu?
[21:33] <dashavoo> I can't remember if I installed it manually
[21:33] <dashavoo> swat_: ah
[21:34] <dashavoo> I am not quite ashamed to admit that this release of ubuntu has converted me to using KDE
[21:34] <dashavoo> well, on my desktop anyway... my laptop will ever remain openbox only
[21:44] <GreekFreak> Hi. I had a dual bool Ubuntu 11.04 with Win7. I subsequently formatted (through Windows) the Ubuntu partition, and now the laptop does not even load the LiveCD so I can start the install. Simply a black screen. Any ideas?
[21:46] <dashavoo> GreekFreak: is your bios configured so that cd boots before harddrive?
[21:46] <GreekFreak> No, but I select it to boot from CD
[21:47] <GreekFreak> dashavoo: worst part is that I get grub rescue, and the LiveCD gives me this black screen
[21:48] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you can't format a linux type ext partition in windows.
[21:48] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I formatted it in exFAT
[21:49] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, ubuntu wont install to a fat.
[21:49] <dashavoo> urlin2u: that isn't his problem
[21:49] <urlin2u> if you can even get there.
[21:49] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I deleted the partition to "unallocated", and assumed that the LiveCD would reformat
[21:49] <dashavoo> urlin2u: the problem is that he can't boot the livecd
[21:50] <urlin2u> dashavoo, I know that.
[21:50] <GreekFreak> ok guys. I have grub rescue. Could you guide me to boot my win7 again, so that I can reformat into NTFS?
[21:51] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, when you boot the cd tap the shift key to get the early choice hit f6 the choose nomodeset, then boot
[21:51] <GreekFreak> gimme a sec
[21:51] <urlin2u> actually the space key
[21:52] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you can reformat all that on the live cd,
[21:54] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: ok. I gave me the old ubuntu menu (I remember from a LOOONG time ago I tried it). CHose mode set and looks like it's working. Will it install it though with nomodeset? or will it install it as normal?
[21:55] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, nomodeset is just a low graphics boot yeah you can install from it.
[21:56] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: It's stopped loading (CD also stopped spinning) and is showing me "Bad LUN" and "Bad target nunber"
[21:56] <GreekFreak> with all my ubuntu installs (and I've done a few times this month) this is the first time I encoutner this problem
[21:57] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I wonder if the cd is a bad burn or the ISO was bad did you check either.
[21:57] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I've installed ubunut off this CD 5 or 6 times (I had a problem with graphics drivers and was getting a black screen)
[22:02] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, what is the cd's release/
[22:02] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: 11.04 if that's what you mean
[22:02] <urlin2u> is this a oneiric disc?
[22:03] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, your on the wrong channel, #ubuntu is the correct one.
[22:03] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, more help there as well.
[22:04] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I know and I am sorry for this, but noone could help me there, and I assumed that ppl here are the more "adventurous" type and thus know more
[22:04] <dashavoo> hehe, personally I like your logic
[22:05] <dashavoo> you could always just try redownloading and burning the iso
[22:05] <GreekFreak> dashavoo: :D
[22:05] <dashavoo> just incase your disk is damaged now
[22:05] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, that is not how things work, you had mentioned Natty but did not confirm that until I asked, how does that work to your advantage.
[22:05] <GreekFreak> I'll give it a try now
[22:06] <GreekFreak> urlinu: I'm new. I didn't realise my problem was Natty speciic
[22:07] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, the point is here that the channels are specific use the correct one, this one has 224 people, ubuntu has 1535, and even though you were not sevred to your needs that is the channel you should be using.
[22:08] <dashavoo> wtf... I installed some antispam things, bogofilter and spamassassin, and suddenly my spam is duplicating!
[22:08] <GreekFreak> urlin2: my appologgies. Thanks for taking the time to help me anyway
[22:09] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, no problem, I want to see you up and running.
[22:10] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I'm burning a new CD to rule that out. all rescue grubs need a CD. and I cannot find anywhere a way to boot my windows either :P I'm sure I'll find something
[22:10] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, do you have a recovery or install disc for the windows?
[22:11] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I have an image I can burn
[22:12] <urlin2u> GreekFreak,  could get you the boot to windows with eithier the recovery, or a bootable ubuntu, when you get into windows make that recovery disc.
[22:12] <urlin2u> I
[22:12] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, is the image the recovery, not tthe backup?
[22:13] <GreekFreak> no the image is the install CD. The recovery I had made is for the full HDD so I don't want to use it
[22:13] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I've read I can try repair windows
[22:14] <urlin2u> The install will work you just boot to the recoivery with it and run one command
[22:14] <urlin2u> repair wont work you need the terminal in repair to run boootrec.exe /fixmbr
[22:16] <urlin2u> repair could work but the one command does it.
[22:16] <GreekFreak> ok the new LiveCD stopped (didn't even give me the option to choose Run WIthout Installing) with an error "unexpected exit"
[22:17] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, have you run a md5sum on the ISO' and burned it at the slowest speed, usually 4x is fine.
[22:18] <GreekFreak> trying again just in case. I "usually" have it low on default
[22:19] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you might burn the W7 install so we can get that boot back.
[22:19] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, are you using linux to burn?
[22:20] <GreekFreak> urlin2u
[22:20] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, here is a md5sum wiki. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[22:20] <GreekFreak> yes brasero
[22:21] <urlin2u> check the md5sum. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuHashes#A11.04   GreekFreak
[22:22] <GreekFreak> gimme a sec
[22:23] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: ubuntu checksum is good
[22:24] <GreekFreak> burning Win7 CD again
[22:24] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, so you have had Natty running on ths computer as a dual boot?
[22:24] <urlin2u> this
[22:24] <GreekFreak> on this machine yes
[22:24] <GreekFreak> I'm trying to sort out my laptop
[22:25] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, hmm no special options in the past, at the f6, besides a nomodeset?
[22:25] <dashavoo> urlin2u: have you had natty working on the laptop?
[22:25] <urlin2u> dashavoo, yes Im on it as we speak.
[22:25] <urlin2u> I'm
[22:25] <dashavoo> I meant GreekFreak... woops
[22:25] <dashavoo> hehe
[22:26] <urlin2u> :D
[22:26] <dashavoo> I was really confused for a moment there
[22:26] <GreekFreak> I had it dual booted. but then I messed up my graphics card cause it's not supported. SO I had the unbelievably clever idea to format the ubuntu partition from windows
[22:26] <GreekFreak> and this was the result
[22:26] <GreekFreak> no worries :D
[22:27] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, that is no  big deal.
[22:28] <GreekFreak> btw I owe you guys a drink :P
[22:28] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I will fly to greece or that. :D
[22:28] <urlin2u> for
[22:28] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: busy burning win7 dvd so we have some time
[22:29] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: sounds like an awesome plan :D
[22:29] <dashavoo> mmm, sounds good to me too
[22:30] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, here is a tutorial on getting to that terminal on the W7 dvd if you need.  http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/20864-mbr-restore-windows-7-master-boot-record.html
[22:30] <GreekFreak> thank you
[22:31] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, the bootrec.exe /fixmbr  should be all you need .
[22:33] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: how is that different to "bootsect /nt60 SYS /mbr"
[22:34] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I'm not a real windows power user but that is the command I always use, per tons of help on the windows forum, it was confirmed by a peron at the #windows channel as fine.
[22:34] <urlin2u> Ubuntu forum I meant
[22:35] <GreekFreak> so I use what you said instead of what the guy says. SO far your advise has been good so I'll go with that ;)
[22:36] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, here is the whole set to rebuild the bcd if needed. http://paste.ubuntu.com/694814/
[22:36] <dashavoo> :)
[22:38] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, if you just run bootrec.exe it actually gives you these command to run as well.
[22:40] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: so I've run that and it also says that disk is write protected for diskchk
[22:40] <GreekFreak> so I reboot?
[22:41] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, just the /fixmbr or all 4 including the chkdsk /f
[22:41] <urlin2u> I mena chkdsk /r
[22:42] <GreekFreak> I did the /fixmbr. didn't realise it was a choice
[22:42] <GreekFreak> rebooting now
[22:42] <urlin2u> your cool it may do a auto chkdsk let it run that
[22:43] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: didn't let me run it. Write protected
[22:43] <GreekFreak> but you're a legend cause I have windows :D
[22:43] <GreekFreak> never thought I'd say that with such a smile haha
[22:43] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, it would run it at boot the key here is if the bootflag is on the correct windows partiton.
[22:43] <urlin2u> cool your in?
[22:44] <GreekFreak> ya
[22:44] <dashavoo> :)
[22:44] <dashavoo> congrats
[22:44] <GreekFreak> haha\
[22:44] <urlin2u> good deal now you can work on the disc, do you have a thumb drive?
[22:44] <dashavoo> or not, it is windows :P
[22:44] <urlin2u> lol
[22:44] <GreekFreak> lol
[22:44] <GreekFreak> urlinu2: how big? is 4gig enough?
[22:45] <pythonsnake> hi
[22:45] <dashavoo> GreekFreak: should be
[22:45] <dashavoo> hi pythonsnake
[22:45] <pythonsnake> GreekFreak: 600 is min
[22:46] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, yeah download unetbootin and use that to load the thumb.  http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[22:46] <pythonsnake> Should I upgrade to 11.10 ?
[22:46] <pythonsnake> Is it worth it ?
[22:47] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, in development not sure I would upgrade, at least not without a clone of the Maverick.
[22:47] <pythonsnake> clone ?
[22:47] <dashavoo> pythonsnake: not yet if you need your computer to work
[22:48] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, yeaj=h an image of it that can be slipped back in if something breaks, clonezilla is what I use.
[22:48] <urlin2u> yeah*
[22:48] <pythonsnake> Hmm ok
[22:49] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, http://clonezilla.org/  good insurance
[22:49] <pythonsnake> I'm using LTS, should I use M ?
[22:49] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, okay you can't upgrade lucid to oneiric.
[22:49] <pythonsnake> 0_0
[22:50] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, your choice here really, as far as what didtro.
[22:50] <rww> well, you can, just not directly :P
[22:50] <urlin2u> distro
[22:50] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: ok downloaded and empty flash drive
[22:50] <GreekFreak> must I make the file executable?
[22:50] <pythonsnake> no
[22:50] <pythonsnake> unetbootin
[22:51] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, reformat the thumb fat32 and unetbootin will do the rest.
[22:51] <rww> pythonsnake: if you want to upgrade every two years, stay on LTS. if you want to upgrade every six months, use regular releases. if you want your computer to set on fire, use development releases like oneiric right now.
[22:51] <urlin2u> rww, lol I have my extinguisher handy. :D
[22:51] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: let me get Gparted for the format :P
[22:51] <pythonsnake> set on fire ? :/
[22:52] <pythonsnake> GreekFreak: No I won't let you !
[22:52] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, gparted is perfect.
[22:52] <GreekFreak> lol :D
[22:52] <pythonsnake> lol yeah
[22:53] <GreekFreak> at least I can't say I'm bored :P
[22:53] <pythonsnake> Ubuntu One seems interesting. Is privacy respected ?
[22:53] <rww> pythonsnake: https://one.ubuntu.com/privacy/
[22:53] <rww> pythonsnake: see also #ubuntuone
[22:54] <dashavoo> personally I won't touch ubuntuone with a barge pole
[22:54] <pythonsnake> I don't know if I can trust..
[22:54] <pythonsnake> dashavoo: huh? pole ?
[22:54] <pythonsnake> what do you mean
[22:55] <dashavoo> pythonsnake: barge pole... a very long stick for pushing barges
[22:56] <GreekFreak> ok. The drive ios locked cause I used it for a boot drive before. ANy idea how to overide that?
[22:56] <pythonsnake> why is ubuntu one bad, dashavoo
[22:56] <GreekFreak> *is
[22:56] <pythonsnake> GreekFreak: yes
[22:56] <pythonsnake> GreekFreak: format
[22:57] <pythonsnake> delete everything
[22:57] <GreekFreak> pythonsnake: rofl (I'm actually in hysterics :D)
[22:57] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you ned to unmount it close gparted open the dic utility and unmount it you can also format the fat there as well.
[22:57] <urlin2u> disc utility*
[22:58] <pythonsnake> are your pcs burning ?
[22:58] <urlin2u> cool as a cucumber at the moment.
[22:58] <dashavoo> pythonsnake: I'm paranoid about storing files anywhere other than my computer
[22:59] <pythonsnake> dashavoo: lol me too
[22:59] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: done. FAT 32
[22:59] <pythonsnake> GreekFreak: no
[22:59] <pythonsnake> FAT 16
[22:59] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, cool mount it and let unetbootin load it.,
[23:00] <pythonsnake> it works with 32? o.O
[23:00] <urlin2u> pythonsnake, it is a boot live cd fat32 is generally used
[23:00] <pythonsnake> I used 16 ..
[23:01] <GreekFreak> unetbootin doesn't open. am i supposed to make it executable?
[23:01] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, it need a password
[23:01] <pythonsnake> pass ?
[23:01] <pythonsnake> wtf?
[23:01] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, did you install it?
[23:02] <GreekFreak> I ran it yes
[23:02] <GreekFreak> asked for 7z but did nothing
[23:02] <pythonsnake> anyone here used one ?
[23:02] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, it needs to be installed to run.
[23:03] <GreekFreak> uhm... it's running lol so I'm assuming all's good
[23:03] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, in linux it runs in sudo, forget in windows.
[23:03] <pythonsnake> urlin2u: run with administrator
[23:04] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I put the password in, so I'm assuming it installed 7z for me. I'm already selecting versions
[23:04] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you want yo run the ISO, otherwise it wil down load what you choose.
[23:05] <urlin2u> to*
[23:05] <GreekFreak> kk
[23:05] <pythonsnake> bye
[23:06] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: space?
[23:06] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, not sure what you mean.
[23:06] <dashavoo> I am going to sleep, good luck GreekFreak
[23:06] <dashavoo> night all
[23:07] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: it says "space to preserce across reboots"
[23:07] <GreekFreak> dashavoo: night and thanks
[23:07] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you mean persistance?
[23:08] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: sorry, "preserve"
[23:08] <GreekFreak> I assume 0(zero) means full
[23:08] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I see that on mine that is a persistence file if you want to save work done on the live cd,your choice here.
[23:09] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, only works on ubuntu's I believe.
[23:09] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: no mine doesn't even ahve that. it says (Ubuntu only)
[23:09] <GreekFreak> yes
[23:10] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, it just builds a casper-rw file on the thumb for saving stuff, if your just installing you don't need it
[23:11] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, some people will load thumbs and use them continuously, and want to save stuff.
[23:12] <GreekFreak> I left it at 0MB and t finished in a second. So I'm assuming I had to make it the size of the drive. There's a little note that says if the size I put exceeds the drive, the full drive will be used
[23:13] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, 0 means not any saving, so you can reboot and I think you have the boot choice figured out and use the space key again for the nomodeset.
[23:13] <urlin2u> f6 nomodeset
[23:15] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, so you used the disk image and loaded the ISO correct?
[23:15] <urlin2u> you said one second is why I ask
[23:15] <GreekFreak> no cause the disk only loaded 7MB
[23:15] <urlin2u> You have the ISO on the OS right?
[23:16] <urlin2u> you in windows?
[23:16] <GreekFreak> I'm in ubuntu
[23:16] <GreekFreak> on my second machine
[23:17] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, okay, lets try this again, jus right click the tumb with unetbootin closed and choose format, choose fat.
[23:17] <GreekFreak> no I'vce done that
[23:17] <GreekFreak> I'm doing the unetbootin now
[23:17] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, then open unetbootin click on the disc image box use the search to load the iso the run it.
[23:17] <GreekFreak> I got it working so I'm waiting for it to finish ;P
[23:18] <urlin2u> cool you loaded ther ISO with the disc image box clicked and the ISO in the line next to it?
[23:18] <GreekFreak> yip
[23:19] <urlin2u> cool
[23:19] <GreekFreak> it's stuck at 48% so I'm waiting :P
[23:21] <GreekFreak> rebooting the laptop now
[23:21] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, cool use the space and f6 nomodeset.
[23:22] <GreekFreak> it took me straight into a blue screen (no F6 needed) with some options, inc. Install Ubuntu
[23:22] <urlin2u> if that works unetbootin does have its own loader.
[23:22] <urlin2u> you have a try, is this a alternative disc
[23:23] <urlin2u> ?
[23:24] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, if you have a unallocated space you can just do the install if you know what to do.
[23:24] <GreekFreak> ya. I do
[23:24] <GreekFreak> I'll try the various options
[23:24] <GreekFreak> thank you very much for your help.
[23:25] <urlin2u> cool the graphic drivers should get loaded in the install. No problem. :D
[23:25] <GreekFreak> didn't give me the option of hitting space so I'm hoping for the best :P
[23:25] <GreekFreak> if it stalls I'll try again with another option
[23:26] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, unetbootin has it's own loader, so yeah the f6 option is not there if you use the startup disc creator in ubuntu to load the thumb next time you get the f6 option.
[23:27] <GreekFreak> I didn't use the disc to lead the flash
[23:27] <urlin2u> I probably should of had you use the onboard thumb loader in case the f6 is needed.
[23:27] <GreekFreak> I went the the bios option
[23:28] <GreekFreak> ok it's frozen so I'm rebooting it again
[23:28] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, its called the startup disc creator but t is a thumb loader from a ISO.
[23:28] <urlin2u> it
[23:28] <GreekFreak> oh ok
[23:29] <urlin2u> sorry my mistake, use that app, and you should be set I generally reformat thumbs when reloading you can right click it in unbuntu to do that.
[23:30] <GreekFreak> ok. black screen again!
[23:30] <GreekFreak> I selected the "Install Ubuntu option"
[23:31] <GreekFreak> should I not format the unallocated space into FAT32
[23:32] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, for what?
[23:32] <GreekFreak> to install ubuntu
[23:32] <GreekFreak> it's giving me the black screen again
[23:33] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, no ubuntu will not install to a fat, also how many partitons are on that HD?
[23:33] <GreekFreak> 2 and 1 unallocated.
[23:33] <GreekFreak> I've removed the recovery partitions already
[23:34] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, your fine then just reload the thumb with the startup disc creator in ubuntu after formatting the thumb with a right click on it to fat, the live cd's go to a fat the installs to a ect4
[23:34] <urlin2u> ext4*
[23:35] <urlin2u> the install to free space when and if you get it booted will put it in the unalocated.
[23:35] <GreekFreak> ok. I've my thumb has the iso. but when I select "install ubuntu" the screen simply goes black
[23:36] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, that app the startup disc creator will let you have that f6 option, just forget the unetbootin option you need the nomodeset that the startup disc creator load to the thumb will give.
[23:37] <GreekFreak> oh ok sprry I misunderstood you
[23:37] <urlin2u> you need a low graphics boot
[23:37] <urlin2u> my mistake on recommending unetbootin
[23:38] <GreekFreak> I can't understand why though. I didn't the first 5 times I installed in in the laptop
[23:38] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I'm just guessing here do you know the graphic card?
[23:38] <GreekFreak> Radeon HD 6470M
[23:38] <GreekFreak> the unsupported one
[23:39] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, generally it should work if it has, so my best guess is the low graphic nomodeset, could be another problem, not sure really.
[23:41] <GreekFreak> it had no problem the first few times, which is odd. Finishing the startup disc no
[23:41] <GreekFreak> w
[23:42] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, if you get installed I think the xorg-edgers PPA might be the trick as far as a driver.
[23:42] <GreekFreak> ya they are, but I need kernel 2.6.39+ and mesa 7.11+
[23:43] <GreekFreak> which aparently will only be available in Oneiric
[23:43] <GreekFreak> so I have to wait
[23:44] <GreekFreak> that was the reason I reformatted this time, cause I has having major issues with black screens on load, and had to boot with "nomodeset"
[23:44] <GreekFreak> I ended up not knowing what i had. a user in this channel helped me out quite a bit
[23:45] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, here is an wiki you may have seen it already.  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonHD
[23:45] <GreekFreak> I did, but it's deprecated..... so I din't try anything
[23:47] <urlin2u> there is a xswat ppa as well http://efreedom.com/Question/6-46976/ATI-Catalyst-Control-Center-Gives-Error-Radeon-HD-6470M  here is some onfo on that.
[23:49] <urlin2u> xswat is more stable than the  xorg-edgers  not sure which is best though.
[23:49] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I tried that too but nothing. I read somewhere that "ati-driver-installer-11-5-x86.x86_64.run" will not work since the card is not yet supported by ATI for ubunut
[23:49] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, did you add any ppa's
[23:50] <GreekFreak> no, I simply ran the commands in the terminal
[23:51] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, hard to say for me in the past if I had a driver problem I just found a distro that worked, in ubuntu that was not hard.
[23:52] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: I called ATI. They know it's not supported and they're working on it. It's a new card
[23:53] <GreekFreak> ok the install stopped on me with errors again
[23:53] <GreekFreak> I'm beginning to think it's the partition
[23:53] <GreekFreak> it's the only thing I did different this time.
[23:53] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, is this a alternative cd, rather then the live cd?
[23:54] <urlin2u> than
[23:54] <GreekFreak> it's the thumb drive we jkust created
[23:54] <GreekFreak> *just
[23:54] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, was the ISO a alternative or live?
[23:55] <GreekFreak> live! Did you tell me I had to download the alternative?
[23:55] <GreekFreak> :O
[23:55] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, no you had the ISO already I just asked earlier which it was.
[23:56] <GreekFreak> oh **it. I didn't understand the question. My ISO was the live CD
[23:56] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, the alternative is for a text install though that may be what you need, although you have installed with this ISO on that computer right?
[23:56] <GreekFreak> yes a few times
[23:57] <GreekFreak> what if I try load ubuntu without installing it
[23:57] <GreekFreak> and changing the format of the drive to something else?
[23:57] <GreekFreak> I formated it to exFAT in windows earlier today, and I've been having problems after that
[23:58] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, I would always go to the live setting if a live cd, use the nomodeset I guess.
[23:58] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, you have two partitions and a unallocated which is the fat?
[23:59] <GreekFreak> the unallocated is exFAT (or something very similar)
[23:59] <GreekFreak> I did it from the windows Drive Manager
[23:59] <GreekFreak> btw, the live CD withouth installing it doesn't work either
[23:59] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, unallocated means no partition, should not be a problem, but you can remove it from windows.