[08:08] <kim0> Morning
[10:47] <nigelb> dholbach: HAHAHA
[10:47] <dholbach> nigelb?
[10:47] <nigelb> dholbach: You have Christ Johnston in your address book for cjohnston!
[10:48] <nigelb> I know he's awesome and all that. I didn't know he was /that/ awesome :P
[10:48] <dholbach> I have no idea why thunderbird keeps doing that
[10:48] <nigelb> heh
[10:48] <dholbach> I guess it got automagically copied from some mail I replied to
[10:48] <dholbach> fixing it
[10:50] <nigelb> I went through the registration process now. I couldn't see any phishing.
[10:51] <nigelb> I'm wonder if thre was something wrong with the third party
[10:51] <dholbach> which third party?
[10:51] <nigelb> the people who do the forms.canonical.com
[10:52] <dholbach> mh, do we have a contact for those?
[10:52] <nigelb> dholbach: I'm fairly certain that https://www.tfaforms.com belongs to veer west who do that stuff.
[10:52] <nigelb> marianna should know more
[10:52] <dholbach> veer west?
[10:53] <nigelb> Yeah, that's the company that does that. A while back tehy advertised Canonical as their customer
[10:53] <nigelb> dholbach: They still do -> http://www3.formassembly.com/
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <dholbach> hum
[10:54] <nigelb> :)
[10:55] <czajkowski> ok if canonical shippit person doesnt know the date of release of 11.10 that is a bit worrying
[10:55] <czajkowski> :/
[10:56] <nigelb> Not really. That person could be new.
[10:56] <popey> You worry too much.
[10:56] <popey> (c) Dave Walker 2009
[10:56] <nigelb> popey++
[10:57] <czajkowski> popey: :)
[10:57] <czajkowski> nigelb: yeah she could you're entirely right, howerver, this close to a release I would expect the date to be well known.
[10:58] <nigelb> There's still a month more!
[10:58] <nigelb> :)
[10:58] <czajkowski> nigelb: fine.
[10:58] <nigelb> Actually, when is the release date?
[10:58]  * nigelb check schedule
[10:59] <nigelb> Aha, 13th.
[11:03] <Daviey> popey: what have i copyrighted?
[11:03] <nigelb> Daviey: "You worry too much"
[11:03] <Daviey> ahh
[11:03] <Daviey> yes
[11:03] <Daviey> you all do.
[11:03] <Daviey> I am worried about mhall119 landing summit code which is filling my inbox with error emails.
[11:04] <Daviey> other than that... peace.
[11:04] <nigelb> Daviey: Its the machine. Can you help us move things there?
[11:04]  * czajkowski hugs Daviey 
[11:05]  * Daviey finds nigelb very moving.
[11:06] <Daviey> nigelb: is there a bug about it?
[11:07] <nigelb> Daviey: There's an RT.
[11:08] <nigelb> Daviey: Its not the code actually. We need to play Sherlock on that server ^-^
[11:08] <Daviey> nigelb: are you sure?
[11:09] <nigelb> Daviey: Fairly sure, yes. Summit runs okay on our test server
[11:10] <Daviey> http://pb.daviey.com/BWZO/ , looks pretty 'code related'.
[11:11] <nigelb> Daviey: EWW. That looks like fail, yes.
[11:49] <nigelb> dholbach: Were you able to investigate that more? :)
[11:50] <dholbach> nigelb, I'm asking around
[11:55] <mhall119> Daviey: did you file a bug?
[11:57] <mhall119> Daviey: looks like something didn't get changed properly during one of james_w's merges, it's an easy enough fix
[12:11] <mhall119> Daviey: got a fix coded: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/summit/fix-personal-ical/+merge/76393
[12:11] <mhall119> nigelb: would you mind reviewing?
[12:13] <nigelb> mhall119: a little later, busy at work
[12:13] <mhall119> ok, I'll see if james_w can do it when he's around
[12:17] <Daviey> fine. same to you mhall119 :)
[12:21] <mhall119> huh?
[12:22] <mhall119> Daviey: awstrial got it's first 2 tests written last night
[12:24] <Daviey> mhall119: oh, nice
[12:24] <czajkowski> BBC are here recording
[12:25] <mhall119> czajkowski: recording what?
[12:25] <czajkowski> saying we're breaking one of apples patents on android app
[12:31] <mhall119> stupid stupid software patents
[12:32] <czajkowski> mhall119: it's over this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14858056
[12:36] <mhall119> czajkowski: sounds like the BBC is on your side at least
[12:37] <czajkowski> it's the guy who  wrote that is in here
[12:38] <mhall119> cool
[13:45] <nigelb> mhall119: did you get it reviewed?
[13:45] <nigelb> I'm not *stuck* at work, with nothing to do.
[13:45] <nigelb> Babysitting a process
[13:47] <nigelb> ah, approved and merged. Cool!
[13:47] <mhall119> nigelb: I think james_w reviewed it
[13:47] <james_w> I did
[13:57] <jcastro> heya james_w
[13:57] <jcastro> had the call with the track leads to explain the scheduling
[13:57] <jcastro> they oddly enough, had almost no questions
[13:57] <james_w> that's good I guess
[13:57] <jcastro> one thing though, you guys need to put the track leads in the scheduling/drivers group for the linaro sprint
[13:57] <james_w> did you just cover filing blueprints and approving them for the sprint?
[13:57] <james_w> yeah
[13:57] <jcastro> otherwise they can't accept/decline blueprints
[13:57] <jcastro> yeah I also showed them the summit editing and all that
[13:58] <jcastro> (not the admin stuff, but the manually scheduling)
[13:58] <mhall119> jcastro: track leads shouldn't be manually scheduling should they?
[13:58] <jcastro> they can adjust
[13:58] <jcastro> but prior to UDS
[13:59] <jcastro> I told them after 9am Monday they go through the front desk
[14:00] <jcastro> mhall119: also hey
[14:00] <czajkowski> Old Jamaica Ginger beer is my new addiction
[14:00] <jcastro> the plenary slots are wrong
[14:05] <mhall119> hey jcastro
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: so fix them
[14:06] <mhall119> jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution
[14:06] <jcastro> ugh
[14:06] <jcastro> dude
[14:06] <jcastro> why does initslots make them wrong?
[14:06] <mhall119> what's wrong about them?
[14:07] <mhall119> if it's an error that can be fixed, file a bug
[14:08] <jcastro> they're supposed to be 15 minute blocks
[14:08] <jcastro> k, filing
[14:10]  * jcastro goes to manually fix all the slots
[14:10] <jcastro> I hate myself
[14:10] <jcastro> dholbach: what are you working on now? It might make me feel better about myself
[14:10] <nigelb> haha
[14:11] <nigelb> jcastro: bug #?
[14:12] <czajkowski> jcastro: awwww you're a bit eveil toda
[14:12] <jcastro> heh
[14:12] <jcastro> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/855586
[14:12] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 855586 in summit "init-slots makes plenaries too long" [Undecided,New]
[14:12] <jcastro> but don't run anything, I'll just fix them by hand
[14:12] <nigelb> twss
[14:12] <nigelb> :)
[14:13] <nigelb> jcastro: is it going to be 4 x 15 everyday?
[14:13] <jcastro> not Friday
[14:13] <jcastro> that's LIGTHENING
[14:13] <nigelb> heh
[14:13] <czajkowski> flash lightening
[14:14] <czajkowski> ginger beer and sweets = sugar rush
[14:14] <nigelb> jcastro: any complaints about summit at UDS, please encourage folks to file a bug :)
[14:14] <jcastro> ok updated the bug to tell you about friday
[14:15] <nigelb> Or kick cjohnston. That works as well.
[14:15] <jcastro> summit works fine
[14:15] <jcastro> it's people blame summit for us being so disorganized
[14:15] <jcastro> I've been ready to schedule for like 2 weeks
[14:15] <czajkowski> jcastro: and nobody can ever say you are disorganised :)
[14:15] <jcastro> and they still don't know the final tracks
[14:15]  * czajkowski hands jcastro the cane, go poke em 
[14:19] <jcastro> hmmm
[14:19] <jcastro> something bad happens when I click save on a slot
[14:19] <jcastro> "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to summit.ubuntu.com"
[14:20] <Daviey> jcastro: you just broke it for everyone
[14:20] <jcastro> nice!
[14:22] <jcastro> what happened?
[14:22] <mhall119> dammit jcastro, not again
[14:22] <nigelb> /never/ let jcastro play with summit.
[14:23] <jcastro> dude, you asked for it!
[14:23] <nigelb> :)
[14:23] <mhall119> nigelb: +1million
[14:23] <jcastro> "jcastro: remember, init-slots is a 90% solution"
[14:23] <jcastro> my 10% is BAD!
[14:24] <mhall119> wow jcastro, you really did it this time
[14:24] <mhall119> mhall@cranberry:~$ ps -ef |grep apache
[14:24] <mhall119> mhall    24357 24288  0 14:23 pts/0    00:00:00 grep --color=auto apache
[14:24] <dholbach> jcastro, was just out for lunch, now I try to get a few non-UDS things done
[14:24] <Daviey> jcastro: Everytime you go near summit, you break it! :)
[14:24] <mhall119> he broke loco-directory too
[14:24] <jcastro> I had to adjust the slots
[14:24] <mhall119> and status.u.c
[14:24] <Daviey> jcastro: you induced an apache segfault.
[14:24] <jcastro> Daviey: I had to adjust the slots because your initslots thing is wrong
[14:25] <jcastro> whoa, never induced an apache segpahult before
[14:25] <Daviey> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/ down, thanks jcastro
[14:25] <jcastro> I am special!
[14:25] <jcastro> man
[14:25] <jcastro> I hope the wiki is down
[14:25] <czajkowski> lol
[14:25] <jcastro> that would be the best thing I could do for the project.
[14:25] <czajkowski> jcastro: you are on a roll today
[14:25] <Daviey> Great
[14:25] <Daviey> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:25] <Daviey> We might need to defer the Beta 2 release if we can't track it.
[14:25] <jcastro> man, EPIC.
[14:26] <jcastro> way to go on the whole infrastructure design there Daviey
[14:26] <jcastro> put everything we need on one box.
[14:26] <Daviey> jcastro: The apt archive i am using is also broken now, was that you aswell?
[14:26] <jcastro> juju deploy summit
[14:26] <jcastro> juju add-unit summit
[14:26] <mhall119> dholbach: do you know what "python number-of-items-in-queue" is running for?
[14:27] <popey> My coffee is cold, is that your fault too jcastro !?
[14:27] <Daviey> jcastro: Geez, we are stuffed now.
[14:27] <jcastro> Daviey: hey man, I only sneezed, you're the one who built this house of cards.
[14:27] <mhall119> apache is back up on cranberry
[14:27] <dholbach> mhall119, yes, sponsoring-stats
[14:27] <mhall119> dholbach: it seems to run a lot
[14:28] <Daviey> Great, beta 2 might still ship on time. no thanks to jcastro
[14:28] <nigelb> lol
[14:28] <jcastro> \o/
[14:28] <Daviey> mhall119: What would be the best way of blocking troublesome users from summit?
[14:28] <nigelb> iptables!
[14:28] <nigelb> ban them from cranberry!
[14:28] <dholbach> mhall119, I changed it to every 2 weeks
[14:28] <dholbach> err
[14:28] <dholbach> hours
[14:29] <mhall119> Daviey: you mean like jcastro ?
[14:29] <jcastro> well, I guess this will get initslots fixed!
[14:29] <jcastro> >_>
[14:29] <jcastro> <_<
[14:29] <Daviey> mhall119: well yeah.
[14:30] <mhall119> 14:24 < lamont> [Wed Sep 21 14:18:36 2011] [alert] (11)Resource temporarily  unavailable: apr_thread_create: unable to create worker thread
[14:30] <mhall119> 14:24 < lamont> what are you guys doing to that poor box?
[14:31] <dholbach> jcastro, why did you ask?
[14:31] <mhall119> I suspect our random out-of-memory error has finally struck apache
[14:31] <Daviey> we jcastro'd it
[14:31] <czajkowski> I think jcastro would make an excellent QA person he breaks things in a unique way
[14:31] <jcastro> no way dude
[14:31] <jcastro> it's the OOM killer
[14:31] <jcastro> yes, it's so hard to break summit
[14:32] <jcastro> like putting a PERIOD in the wrong field = doom.
[14:32] <mhall119> you didn't break summit, you broke apache!
[14:32] <AlanBell> that is a lot of rooms on summit right now, will the list be trimmed a bit?
[14:32] <czajkowski> jcastro: key word - unique way :)
[14:32] <nigelb> jcastro: We Fixed that one bbtw.
[14:32] <nigelb> g22
[14:32] <jcastro> AlanBell: some are dedicated linaro hacking rooms
[14:33] <AlanBell> oh, there are new urls somewhere for the display screens right?
[14:33] <nigelb> /uds-p/today
[14:34] <AlanBell> is that selective of certain rooms or is it going to overflow the 1920 px width . . .
[14:34] <nigelb> Hrm, no.
[14:34] <nigelb> This is going to be fun.
[14:35] <popey> 4K screens needed :D
[14:35] <AlanBell> oops
[14:35] <nigelb> We'll have to do two monitors ^-^
[14:35] <popey> or make them touch screens so people can move the schedule about
[14:36] <popey> use marquee to scroll the rooms! :D
[14:36] <jcastro> mhall119: hey at least someone will look at the errors now for you
[14:36] <jcastro> see, I actually helped.
[14:36] <mhall119> jcastro: you sure about that?
[14:37] <jcastro> hah, of course not.
[14:37] <nigelb> If someone helps, I'm buying jcastro a drink
[14:37] <AlanBell> 1920 gets you up to about bonaire 6 I think, 2048 is most of Bonaire 8
[14:37] <mhall119> AlanBell: yeah, I brought that up a couple days ago, jcastro assured me we had the same number of rooms as last time
[14:38] <nigelb> Actually, we should build an ID card powered by ardunio which displays the schedule on an LCD screen
[14:38] <nigelb> :D
[14:38] <jcastro> I am not sure now
[14:38] <jcastro> I thought we had the same tracks and rooms too
[14:38] <jcastro> but this morning I learned that we have 2 new tracks, etc.
[14:38] <mhall119> tracks don't matter for displaying the schedule on the big LCDs
[14:38] <mhall119> number of rooms does
[14:39] <nigelb> Number of "public* rooms
[14:40] <Daviey> jcastro: Is there space for the pool to be a 'room'?  I'd like to schedule some sessions there pls.?
[14:40] <jcastro> yeah, word
[14:40] <nigelb> +1
[14:41] <jcastro> hold on, let me add it in the ADMIN SECTION
[14:41] <jcastro> here I go!
[14:41] <nigelb> make it private!
[14:41] <jcastro> (haha just kidding I'm not touching anything)
[14:41] <nigelb> We don't want it flooded
[14:41] <nigelb> (see what I did there?)
[14:41] <AlanBell> and rename it during UDS :)
[14:42]  * Daviey does a targeted P session in the pool.
[14:43]  * jcastro pets Daviey on the head
[14:43] <popey> O_O
[14:43] <jcastro> popey: I blame you for bringing Daviey into this community.
[14:43] <jcastro> also, wait a minute
[14:43] <popey> Wasnt me.
[14:43] <jcastro> why was everyone blaming me for all of this when popey was sitting right here the whole time?
[14:44] <popey> uh
[14:44]  * popey wanders off
[14:44] <nigelb> jcastro: THe server didn't get shut down
[14:44] <nigelb> jcastro: Did you hear popey wanted to shut down another list? :P
[14:45] <jcastro> really? which one?
[14:45] <jcastro> all of them?
[14:45] <jcastro> +1!
[14:45] <nigelb> lol
[14:45] <nigelb> users I think
[14:45] <jcastro> oh right
[14:45] <jcastro> aka. sounder part 2.
[14:47] <jcastro> "well, if I add [OT] to the subject, I can get away with it."
[14:47] <popey> [OT] Linux mint help, oh BTW you all suck
[14:47] <popey> etc
[14:48] <jcastro> this is an easy one
[14:48] <jcastro> "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions"
[14:48] <jcastro> clear guidance there
[14:48] <jcastro> no grey area
[14:48] <popey> for the avoidance of any doubt...
[14:48] <popey> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/09/20/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t11:09
[14:49] <jcastro> I can't say that I'm in favor of Ubuntu killing off synaptic either. I
[14:49] <jcastro> LIKE it and don't like the "package installer" thingie with all the pink
[14:49] <jcastro> unicorns and sparklies and "vote on this" ala "Eddie, your friendly
[14:49] <jcastro> computer" style. I've never been, and don't want to become, friends with
[14:49] <jcastro> my computer, in any way. They are evil and I'm pure mean.
[14:49] <popey> "sabdflaiee, we should just shut that baby down"
[14:49] <jcastro> it is pretty comedy though
[14:50]  * AlanBell doesn't want to go swimming in a pool that Daviey has done a targetted P session in
[14:51] <jcastro> "i did ponder maybe a monthly mail"
[14:51] <jcastro> that's suicide
[14:51] <popey> meh
[14:51] <popey> it wont be my problem soon
[14:52] <jcastro> though, my take on using lists and forums for tech support is well documented.
[14:52] <jcastro> I shall write a poem of popey's CC term
[14:52] <popey> SHUT THEM DOWN!
[14:52] <popey> (c) J Castro
[14:52] <jcastro> Killer of lists, you wonderful sideys.
[14:53] <jcastro> "Thanks Al. I sinned and installed Mint 11. I admit it. I can't STAND
[14:53] <jcastro> that HTML only community thing they have. I might as well be top-posting
[14:53] <jcastro> in here at 300 baud."
[14:53] <Daviey> popey clearly hates mailing lists, he is a forum lover.
[14:53] <jcastro> this is awesome popey, thank you
[14:54] <nigelb> jcastro: heh
[14:54] <jcastro> "It ain't for old-skool
[14:54] <jcastro> text-email-only me. But, I don't like that Ubuntu web support thing
[14:54] <jcastro> either. But, that's just me... old and crabby."
[14:55] <popey> jcastro appears to be channeling RMS
[14:55] <jcastro> I am quoting
[15:00] <jono> dholbach, jcastro, kim0, dpm just give me a few mins, and then we will get started
[15:00] <jcastro> oh thanks for the ping I totally forgot
[15:00] <kim0> k
[15:01] <dholbach> sure
[15:01] <dpm> jono, ok
[15:04] <kim0> The compulsory pulseaudio reboot
[15:05] <dholbach> since I enabled the desktop team ppa and installed a new test kernel I'm almost happy with oneiric :-P
[15:06] <kim0> where u having kernel problems?
[15:06] <dholbach> yeah, let me find the bug number
[15:06] <dholbach> bug 854986
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854986 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[eDP1] 5 second delay between Xorg starting and the greeter starting (Dell Latitude E6410)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854986
[15:07] <dholbach> booting/logging in took ages
[15:07] <dholbach> cf bug 854101 title :)
[15:07] <kim0> I think I was just reading an article today about this eDP thing .. deep hackery vodoo
[15:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 854101 in ubuntu-boot-speed "gnome-settings-daemon takes waaaaaaaay too long to start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854101
[15:07] <jono> dholbach, dpm, kim0, jcastro starting a hangout
[15:07] <dholbach> kim0, yes, nothing I'd want myself to get into
[15:08] <kim0> :)
[15:10] <dpm> hey, I'm alone in the hangout
[15:25] <jcastro> kim0: check your mail. :)
[15:26] <kim0> jcastro: I just s/ensemble/juju/ 'ed the doc
[15:28] <kim0> jcastro: awesome, replied
[15:41] <akgraner> Hey Daviey Alan Bell whomever is there a way to get the ubuntu-scribes to re-direct to ubuntu-meetingology for teams requesting "mootbot" that aren't aware that meetingology is being used
[15:41] <popey> or edit the launchpad page?
[15:42] <akgraner> well people are still popping into that irc channel making requests
[15:42] <popey> because https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes points there I guess
[15:42] <jcastro> hey nigelb
[15:42] <nigelb> jcastro: wassup?
[15:42] <jcastro> http://uds.ubuntu.com/uds-sponsors/
[15:42] <akgraner> true but I don't own that team or anything
[15:42] <akgraner> I don't know that I can edit the page
[15:42] <jcastro> can you try to edit the rackspace link to link to www.rackspace.com?
[15:42] <popey> i know the guy who does
[15:42] <popey> one mo
[15:42] <akgraner> I just started helping spread the word etc
[15:42] <jcastro> nigelb: I think we need to do like 2 edits for it to stick?
[15:43] <nigelb> jcastro: yeah
[15:43]  * nigelb logins
[15:43] <jcastro> and stay logged in, we need to do it for the front page too
[15:43] <jcastro> POS
[15:43] <nigelb> jcastro: are you editing that?
[15:44] <nigelb> let me get out then or we'll midair
[15:44] <jcastro> I am editing the front page now
[15:45] <nigelb> jcastro: Link to http://www.rackspace.com ?
[15:45] <jcastro> yes please
[15:46] <nigelb> jcastro: sponsors page done
[15:46] <jcastro> ok weird
[15:46] <jcastro> it just worked on the front page
[15:46]  * jcastro doesn't look a gift horse in the mouth
[15:46] <nigelb> heh
[15:46]  * nigelb ^5 jcastro :)
[16:47] <czajkowski> I'm must do a blog post on companies who are awful at getting back to people racksapce is near the top
[16:52] <akgraner> czajkowski, amen there
[16:52] <akgraner> so is *cough cough* Canonical
[16:53] <nigelb> Actually, CAnonical is on the very top.
[16:53] <akgraner> crap  - that was supposed to be my inside voice
[16:54] <czajkowski> saying that yesterday I got offered another job while in a job
[16:54] <czajkowski> and also now being offered to go somewhere else to interview
[16:54] <czajkowski> and interviews lined up for nov for a job in jan
[16:54] <czajkowski> so it took 4 months of diddly squat to get 4 offers in a week
[16:55] <akgraner> Rackspace  interviewed me for a position after they already hired someone for the position they were interviewing me for
[16:56] <nigelb> what the..
[16:56] <akgraner> then it took them 3 weeks to even tell me - I found out when the person they hired contacted me to do an interview with them
[16:56] <nigelb> wait, the person they hired interviewed you for *that* position?
[16:56] <akgraner> talk about royal suckage
[16:56] <akgraner> no they contacted me to interview them for Linux Pro
[16:57] <nigelb> Oh, lol.
[16:57] <akgraner> yeah - I wasn't lol'img at the time I was dropping a bunch of f-bombs
[16:58] <akgraner> to be fair  - I wasn't the only one that happened to and later I got an apology ...
[17:04]  * popey wonders if AlanBell has seen the misleading text in the installer these days
[17:05] <popey> "At the heart of Ubuntu.s philosophy is a belief that computing is for everyone. With advanced accessibility tools and options like your preferred color scheme, text size, and language, Ubuntu is all about working for real people."
[17:06] <popey> s/advanced/broken/
[17:08] <mhall119> "so advanced it only works in the future"
[17:08] <jcastro> man if we had to remove everything that we claim to do the website would be empty.
[17:10] <dholbach> alright my friends, I call it a day
[17:10] <dholbach> see you all tomorrow
[17:10] <cjohnston> bye dholbach
[17:16] <AlanBell> popey: I did see that, yes
[17:18] <AlanBell> akgraner: I once nearly lost a job that I had accepted an offer for because the agent rang me up and I told them I had found a job and wasn't looking any more . . .
[17:20] <AlanBell> Bug #773243 is probably the worst example of missleading stuff on the website that might cause legal issues
[17:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 773243 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu website advertises "Fully compatible with Microsoft Office"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/773243
[17:21] <jcastro> AlanBell: http://www.libreoffice.org/features/
[17:21] <jcastro> their description also has the same problem
[17:22] <jcastro> "You can easily import files from Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint and many other formats, and can easily save to Microsoft Office and other formats when needed."
[17:22] <jcastro> this one takes the cake though
[17:22] <jcastro> "You get a simple-to-use yet powerful interface that is easy to personalize – Microsoft Office users will find the switch easy and painless, with a familiar look and feel."
[17:22] <AlanBell> that is all fine
[17:23] <AlanBell> really it is totally defensible
[17:23] <jcastro> lol, none of that is defendable as far as I can tell
[17:24] <AlanBell> in trade descriptions terms yes, it is
[17:25] <AlanBell> "you can easily" <- weasle words
[17:25] <AlanBell> and it isn't promising to import all files perfectly, just saying that it is easy to do
[17:28] <AlanBell> "Compatible with all major competitors' file formats." is what Libre Office says
[17:28] <AlanBell> "*Fully* compatible with Microsoft Office" is what we say
[17:41] <popey> LIES!
[17:41] <popey> Damned lies and statistics
[17:41] <popey> in other news, I'm going home.
[17:52] <jcastro> wait!
[17:52] <jcastro> popey!
[17:53]  * jcastro lunches now
[18:17] <cjohnston> jcastro: is there any reason for having http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/interest/  still? To my knowledge, we don't use it for anything?
[18:18] <cjohnston> I know, I know.. your not incharge of this UDS..
[18:18] <jcastro> afaict no one uses it
[18:18] <mhall119> cjohnston: for God's sake man, don't make him change stuff
[18:18] <cjohnston> anything wrong with it being removed?
[18:18] <jcastro> I mean, once we got the personal schedules in place
[18:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: I'm not making him change anything.. This is for you to change
[18:19] <jcastro> I'm not touching anything
[18:19] <jcastro> I didn't even go to the URL
[18:19] <jcastro> because I am scared
[18:19] <mhall119> nope, I'm just a dev, I'm not responsible for production data
[18:19] <cjohnston> mhall119: its a code change.. to remove it
[18:19]  * cjohnston removes jcastro's admin access
[18:19] <mhall119> oh, I thought it was a track or something
[18:20] <cjohnston> click the link
[18:20] <mhall119> +1 for removal
[18:20] <mhall119> I don't think it actually does anything does it?
[18:20] <cjohnston> that's my thoughts
[18:20] <cjohnston> thats why im asking
[18:21] <cjohnston> I know that jcastro likes nuking wiki pages, and nigelb likes nuking summit code.. so since both like nuking, I figured its a match made in summit.. or something
[18:21] <jcastro> "... and that's how we accidentally deleted all of UDS, Jane."
[18:22] <mhall119> lol
[18:22] <cjohnston> luckly its you in her office and not me
[18:23] <mhall119> jcastro: come on, this is summit we're talking about
[18:23] <mhall119> no way it's stop at just taking itself out
[18:23] <mhall119> it'd be more like "... and that's how we accidentally deleted all of the Internet"
[18:23] <cjohnston> What would Gore do then?
[18:24] <mhall119> think of the energy savings when we're all luddites
[18:26] <czajkowski> mhall119: if summit goes can we nuke the wiki too
[18:27] <czajkowski> nobody would ever think jcastro would nuke the wiki if he had the chance
[18:27] <cjohnston> I'd be up for the wiki first.. I think, asside from the server, that summit is good stuff now days
[18:27] <jcastro> indeed
[18:28] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19095/linaro-hackfest-mm%2Bgfx-1/ slugs with plus signs in them . .  interesting . . .
[18:28] <mhall119> AlanBell: they can also contain . and % now
[18:28] <mhall119> without breaking
[18:28] <jcastro> my title email about the wiki to IS/Elliot was "the wiki makes me want to kill myself"
[18:29] <AlanBell> mhall119: depends where you look :)
[18:29] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1/latest vs http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm-gfx-1/latest <- nigelb
[18:30] <mhall119> AlanBell: okay, we're not escaping it somewhere correctly then
[18:31] <mhall119> AlanBell: bug please?
[18:32] <mhall119> wait, where are you seeing one without + ?
[18:35] <jcastro> james_w: ping
[18:37] <james_w> hi jcastro
[18:37] <jcastro> hey I don't know if I told you already
[18:37] <jcastro> but the linaro track leads need to be set to be the drivers for the linaro sprint
[18:38] <james_w> jcastro, you did and I've done it :-)
[18:38] <james_w> that's what I call teamwork
[18:38] <jcastro> high five
[18:43] <AlanBell> mhall119: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19095/linaro-hackfest-mm%2Bgfx-1/ links bottom right
[18:43] <AlanBell> except for the blueprint one which should have the +
[18:44] <mhall119> AlanBell: they all have the + for me
[18:45] <mhall119> http://pad.ubuntu.com/ep/pad/view/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1/latest
[18:46] <AlanBell> yes, they do :)
[18:46] <AlanBell> etherpad mangles it
[18:47] <mhall119> :(
[18:47] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm+gfx-1 redirects to http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-p-linaro-hackfest-mm-gfx-1
[18:47] <AlanBell> but the /latest link does no redirect and gives a 404
[18:48] <mhall119> what's doing that redirect?
[18:49] <AlanBell> Bug #855826
[18:49] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 855826 in summit "session slugs containing + have broken etherpad links" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855826
[18:50] <AlanBell> etherpad is generating a 301 or something
[18:52] <mhall119> AlanBell: can we make etherpad do the 301 for /latest URLs?
[18:55] <jcastro> jono: so hey, UDS tracks
[18:55] <Pici> BarkingFish: He left about two hours ago, it looks like. But perhaps theres something else that someone else here could help you with?
[18:56] <BarkingFish> Pici, - I had an email from him asking if he can blog about me or interview me for something he's doing.
[18:56] <BarkingFish> I just want to let him down with a polite "thanks, but no thanks" if it's ok.
[18:57] <Pici> BarkingFish: ah.  Well, he'll be back tomorrow most likely.  He uses the nick dholbach (original eh ;)
[18:57] <BarkingFish> very...
[18:57] <Pici> Actually, I just noticed that a lot of the regulars here use their names as their nicks...
[18:57] <BarkingFish> I'll drop him a memo, save coming hunting for him.
[18:57] <AlanBell> mhall119: if I could ssh into my etherpad server I would find out
[18:58] <Pici> BarkingFish: He wasn't identified when he was here before, so I'm not sure he'll get it.
[18:59] <BarkingFish> Pici, That's ok.  If someone sees him, and he's not logged in, just remind him to log in :)
[19:02] <jono> jcastro, yeah?
[19:02] <jcastro> jono: we have ARM and Product now?
[19:03] <jono> jcastro, ARM yes, Product?
[19:03] <jcastro> oh sorry, I mean "consumer"? according to cezz
[19:04] <jono> jcastro, yeah the consumer one is not confirmed, as I said in the email
[19:05] <jcastro> oh, I didn't get an email from you yet
[19:05] <jcastro> k, I can work arm for now
[19:05] <jono> jcastro, I just replied to the thread
[19:06] <jono> jcastro, forward it on
[19:06] <jono> my email seems all screwy today
[19:06] <jcastro> got it just now
[19:06] <jcastro> ok so I'm confused about other
[19:07] <jcastro> because Linaro also has an "other"
[19:08] <AlanBell> mhall119: I found the redirect, it is line 231 of etherpad/control/pad/pad_control.js I think
[19:09] <mhall119> AlanBell: can it be added to the other URLs too?
[19:10] <mhall119> if now, we'll have to mangle all the URLs we put on the pages to avoid it
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, yeah this will be an Ubuntu Other
[19:12] <jono> jcastro, I assume Linaro are dealing with adding their own tracks
[19:14] <AlanBell> return str.replace(/[^a-zA-Z0-9\-]/g, '-');
[19:15] <AlanBell> ^^ that is how it mangles pad strings to valid pad strings
[19:15] <AlanBell> I am a bit scared of the etherpad code, there are many ways to go wrong
[19:16] <AlanBell> plus we don't have a change management/deployment procedure for etherpad
[19:17] <AlanBell> so I would suggest applying that regexp to the URLS we generate for the pads
[19:17] <AlanBell> to the slug part that is
[19:18] <jono> brb
[19:29] <mhall119> AlanBell: can you add that replace to the bug you filed?
[19:29] <mhall119> it would be easy enough to do on our end
[19:31] <AlanBell> will do
[19:45] <jcastro> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr_373vVvqo
[19:45] <jcastro> hah, awesome
[20:33] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[20:40] <mhall119> akgraner: ping
[20:48] <akgraner> mhall119, pong
[21:08] <mhall119> akgraner: hey, did you ever hear back about that tfaforms.com email?
[21:09] <akgraner> mhall119, um no....what did I miss
[21:11] <akgraner> jussi, hey!
[21:12] <jussi> bah, evil
[21:12] <jussi> Hi akgraner
[21:12] <akgraner> jono you'll be happy to know that the John Lenton will be interviewed for next week about Ubuntu One so we are shooting for one interview per week about Ubuntu One from now until UDS...