| jasoncwarner_ | robert_ancell and htorque that seemed to make a huge diff | 00:01 |
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| jasoncwarner_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/694113/ u-g log | 00:01 |
| jasoncwarner_ | I still had no mouse movement at the beginning...but that was for a second or two (which I think was X catching up) | 00:01 |
| mdeslaur | This is weird: bug 855171 | 00:09 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 855171 in ca-certificates "libnss3.so went missing after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 | 00:09 |
| mdeslaur | whoops, wrong channel | 00:09 |
| bryceh | jasoncwarner_, excellent, thanks for confirming that | 00:36 |
| cyphermox | hmm | 01:33 |
| cyphermox | would adding GNOME to NotShowIn cover just the Gnome Shell cases, or also break fallback and others? :) | 01:35 |
| jbicha | GNOME is Shell & Fallback | 01:38 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: yeah, that's the problem probably ;) | 01:41 |
| cyphermox | going to test this now | 01:41 |
| jbicha | like gnome-datetime-panel.desktop shows in Fallback g-c-c but it's OnlyShowIn=Gnome; | 01:42 |
| jbicha | echo $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP | 01:43 |
| cyphermox | oh, I know about all of this, just "saying out loud" that I'm pretty much screwed either way | 01:45 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/852961 :) | 01:46 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 852961 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet is wrongly started with Gnome Shell" [Undecided,New] | 01:46 |
| cyphermox | I can't add it to NotShowIn without breaking something, and if I don't add it, something's still going to be broken | 01:47 |
| cyphermox | but I think Shell > fallback; so I'll add it. | 01:47 |
| jbicha | but I don't have nm-applet in my Shell session, just Fallback or Unity | 01:48 |
| stgraber | cyphermox: shell isn't shipped by default by a derivative... | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | really? | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | also, really? | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | gah | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | stgraber: so edubuntu ships fallback? | 01:48 |
| stgraber | cyphermox: fallback is an option at install time in edubuntu | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | mkay | 01:48 |
| jbicha | my notifications area is blank on new start & I have the normal Shell network menu | 01:48 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: that's weird | 01:49 |
| cyphermox | why would this bug be open then? | 01:49 |
| jbicha | perhaps he's using an old shell version | 01:49 |
| cyphermox | maybe | 01:49 |
| cyphermox | alright, thanks for clearing that up | 01:50 |
| jbicha | oh wait, he sees notifications in both shell style & an uglier style when the network disconnects for instance | 01:55 |
| jbicha | I can duplicate that | 01:55 |
| cyphermox | oh | 02:00 |
| cyphermox | well then yeah, this is because nm-applet is getting started | 02:00 |
| cyphermox | fixing this is going to be painful, because we're obviously limited by what's being run | 02:00 |
| cyphermox | and shell / fallback sharing the same desktop value doesn't help | 02:00 |
| jbicha | I think gnome-shell uses nm-applet, just with a different frontend | 02:01 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: no | 02:01 |
| cyphermox | it uses its own frontend in js | 02:01 |
| jbicha | also the latest gnome-shell (not in the archives yet) doesn't show network notifications for connections/disconnections | 02:01 |
| cyphermox | mkay | 02:01 |
| jbicha | so it's at least visually fixed with that | 02:01 |
| cyphermox | urgh | 02:02 |
| cyphermox | is that going to be shipped? | 02:02 |
| jbicha | just waiting for GNOME to get around to releasing the new gjs which gnome-shell silently depends on | 02:02 |
| * cyphermox cries | 02:03 | |
| cyphermox | I just won't touch this and sleep on the issue | 02:03 |
| jbicha | they just assume that you're going to be using the latest gjs & mutter & don't bother updating the configure.ac to reflect that | 02:03 |
| broder | cyphermox: i thought i remembered dcbw saying that nm-applet didn't actually provide ui with shell these days | 02:20 |
| cyphermox | broder that's what I remember too | 02:21 |
| cyphermox | nm-applet shouldn't be running in shell, that's most likely the problem because it currently gets started in /etc/xdg/autostart | 02:21 |
| broder | cyphermox: no, no - i thought he said it runs but only does...something minor and invisible | 02:21 |
| cyphermox | broder: maybe | 02:22 |
| cyphermox | AIUI it's just used for the wireless/mobile dialogs | 02:23 |
| cyphermox | something that might be fixed by the new n-m-applet package with libnm-gtk split out | 02:23 |
| broder | cyphermox: http://paste.ubuntu.com/694185/ - from about a week ago | 02:23 |
| cyphermox | right | 02:24 |
| cyphermox | I'll need to setup something with gnome-shell and mess around with it to see | 02:24 |
| broder | oh, it sounds like maybe the only problem is notifications? | 02:24 |
| jbicha | broder: yes I believe so | 02:25 |
| cyphermox | sounds like it now | 02:26 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: I just updated the bug, could you try figuring out what sends the notifcation that looks wrong? | 02:26 |
| cyphermox | or if they have a different text, just a screenshot of each may be enough :) | 02:27 |
| broder | we don't patch how nm-applet does its notifications - how would this not be broken anywhere that's using gnome-shell? | 02:27 |
| jbicha | I expect that Fedora would have the same problem | 02:28 |
| broder | err...wait, i was looking at n-m, not nm-applet :) | 02:29 |
| cyphermox | broder: actually, I think it was lightly patched, but I don't think it would affect this | 02:30 |
| cyphermox | it might be caused by differences in the notification themes, I've seen something getting broken in notifications if I install xubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu-desktop, notifications start looking different, getting buttons, etc. | 02:30 |
| broder | is gnome-shell a notification daemon? i guess...if notify-osd grabbed the dbus name, but gnome-shell short-circuited notifications internally to keep them from hitting dbus... | 02:31 |
| jbicha | when I try to connect to a random encrypted wifi network, I get 2 popups to enter the password, one from gs, one from nm-applet | 02:32 |
| cyphermox | yuck | 02:33 |
| jbicha | not sure if the second one is just because I canceled the first one though | 02:33 |
| broder | dcbw said that should happen around gnome 3.2 or so - is that what we're at at this point? | 02:33 |
| cyphermox | pretty much | 02:33 |
| cyphermox | "should" happen? | 02:34 |
| jbicha | we're on 3.1.90 and current is 3.1.92 though | 02:34 |
| broder | well...gnome-shell definitely looks like it ships a secret agent | 02:35 |
| broder | (look at src/shell-network-agent.{h,c} and js/ui/networkAgent.js) | 02:36 |
| jbicha | cyphermox: getting screenshots is a bit tricky since this is my web connection :) | 02:37 |
| jbicha | I'm going to reboot into Fedora | 02:37 |
| cyphermox | ok | 02:37 |
| cyphermox | broder: jbicha: I really should be going to bed | 02:37 |
| jbicha | ok, it's not a big issue anyway | 02:38 |
| broder | jbicha: does gnome-shell set any useful environment variables so we could patch nm-applet to check those and exit immediately if they're set? | 02:38 |
| cyphermox | you want to ping me if you find something ? :) | 02:38 |
| cyphermox | you guys seem to be getting more progress than I do | 02:38 |
| broder | cyphermox: it looks to me like nm-applet just shouldn't be running under gnome-shell anymore | 02:38 |
| jbicha | I think you could sniff dbus to check if you're in gshell or not | 02:39 |
| cyphermox | broder: I kind of got that feeling but I think you still need it for some dialogs at least | 02:40 |
| broder | cyphermox: does nm-applet (not nm-connection-editor) do anything besides secret prompts? | 02:41 |
| cyphermox | broder: that no, I don't think so | 02:41 |
| broder | cyphermox: then just have nm-applet exit(0) if it's running under gnome-shell...however you determine that | 02:42 |
| cyphermox | not sure how the more complex wifi connections are done | 02:42 |
| broder | well, i've got an oneiric machine, and infrastructure for 802.1x and wpa enterprise , so i can try to do some experimentation at some point | 02:43 |
| broder | but from my quick skim of the gnome-shell code, i see code for 802.1x, PPPoE, and modem connections | 02:44 |
| broder | only thing i don't see offhand is vpn | 02:44 |
| cyphermox | I'll look again in the morning | 02:45 |
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| jbicha | Fedora 16 doesn't show notifications for nm-applet so they only have the enter wifi password double dialog part of the bug | 02:50 |
| cyphermox | ok | 02:59 |
| cyphermox | maybe it's caused by one of those old patches we carry and I keep having to fix | 03:00 |
| jbicha | well I think we want connection notifications in Unity though | 03:02 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 03:09 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: which still means there is no easy fix, I'll setup gnome-shell tomorrow on my system and try to make sense of what sends what | 03:11 |
| kamstrup | mvo: morning - I need you help on some popcon related stuff | 08:03 |
| kamstrup | mvo: how is the #stars computed from the popcon rating? | 08:03 |
| kamstrup | digging through the S-C code only confused me more :-) | 08:04 |
| kamstrup | my guess is that we normalize the score with the "max_popcon_desktop" metadata from the xapian index and multiply by 5... but I can't find that calculation anywhere | 08:04 |
| kamstrup | also, I am not sure whether that makes sense at all :-) | 08:06 |
| seb128 | hey | 08:07 |
| pitti | bonjour seb128 | 08:08 |
| seb128 | hey pitti, how are you? | 08:08 |
| pitti | seb128: furiously debugging ubiquity problems :) | 08:09 |
| pitti | quite well, thanks | 08:09 |
| pitti | just really concerned about the release time now | 08:09 |
| seb128 | pitti, "fun" ;-) | 08:09 |
| seb128 | is it worth testing the installer? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | or is it "known buggy"? | 08:09 |
| pitti | it crashes if you are offline | 08:09 |
| pitti | should work fine, just look a bit ugly if you are online and don't use the live session | 08:10 |
| pitti | so, still worth testing if you want to | 08:10 |
| mvo | kamstrup: *pfff* ;) we don't use the popcon for the stars, we use the ratings data | 08:10 |
| mvo | kamstrup: what is the use-case, do you want to show it in unity? | 08:10 |
| kamstrup | mvo: lol, that explains my inability to find it :-D | 08:10 |
| seb128 | pitti, let's see, I usually use the 10v as a test box and the wifi doesn't work out of the box | 08:10 |
| kamstrup | mvo: the dash allows you to filter by the S-C rating | 08:11 |
| kamstrup | mvo: so it's not in the xapian index? | 08:11 |
| pitti | seb128: right, it'd fail there, unless you have an ethernet cable plugged in | 08:11 |
| pitti | I did a test install on that one yesterday, with success | 08:11 |
| kamstrup | mvo: hit super-a and unfold the "Filter results" expander, and you'll see what I mean | 08:12 |
| mvo | kamstrup: no, because its so dynamic. we store it currently in a extra file | 08:12 |
| mvo | kamstrup: but that sounds like that needs some re-thinking | 08:13 |
| kamstrup | mvo: a fudge... | 08:13 |
| kamstrup | mvo: yeah, probably means we need to pull that feature from the dash... | 08:13 |
| rodrigo_ | oh, everyone back :) | 08:13 |
| mvo | kamstrup: aha, I was totally unaware of this feature in the dash | 08:13 |
| rodrigo_ | there were only 20 people or so when I woke up, I guess freenode had problems? | 08:13 |
| kamstrup | mvo: yeah, it's not exactly a prominent place, hidden away inside the expander | 08:14 |
| pitti | rodrigo_: yes, it did; should be fixed now, though | 08:14 |
| mvo | kamstrup: so we currently use a xapian.KeyMaker and throw that as the sorter to the db | 08:15 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey | 08:15 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what are you still doing online? ;-) | 08:15 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hey, just logged on to bug you... | 08:15 |
| kamstrup | mvo: ah, so a KeyMaker that pulls the ratings from the file in order to generate the collation key? | 08:15 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, oh great, it has been a while I didn't catch you (part due to the fact I was on holidays ;-) | 08:15 |
| mvo | kamstrup: and the review stats (star rating plus wilson-score based "score" of the ratings) are stored in a pythin pickle | 08:15 |
| mvo | kamstrup: yeah | 08:15 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, what's up? | 08:15 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, can you try / find victims to try lightdm + unity-greeter master today and check they're good? I've been using them today, and I think everything's ok, but being this close to release a second opinion would be good | 08:16 |
| kamstrup | mvo: hehe, a pickle, that puts me in a pickle (wow, worst pun ever) | 08:16 |
| mvo | kamstrup: now of course we can make this a c++ friendlier format for you, thats easy | 08:16 |
| mvo | kamstrup: lol, indeed | 08:16 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I'm happy to test those | 08:16 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you see the translation bug I commented on? | 08:16 |
| mvo | kamstrup: if this software stuff does not work out, just do standup commedy ;) | 08:16 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, there's one remaining bug 845549 which I had a solution for but a commenter says it should be done better with the alternatives. So could you follow up on those changes then undo mine if they're better | 08:17 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 845549 in lightdm "Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/845549 | 08:17 |
| kamstrup | mvo: out only option is prettymuch json I guess... but I don'tknow if that kills performance... I gues it'll be a very large file | 08:17 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok | 08:17 |
| mvo | kamstrup: would a libdb format work for you too? | 08:18 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, yes, I fixed that. it was gettext not being initialized correctly | 08:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, great | 08:18 |
| kamstrup | mvo: libdb? you mean bdb, or? | 08:18 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, ok, I will test both trunks, review open bugs and drop you an email at the end of my day | 08:18 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, there will still be bugs with PAM messages not being localized, but they're more unlikely to occur | 08:18 |
| mvo | kamstrup: yeah | 08:18 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, thanks! | 08:19 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yw, great job btw, lightdm really works great for me ;-) | 08:19 |
| kamstrup | mvo: do we ship a bdb lib on the cd? | 08:19 |
| seb128 | well the current version does, let's see trunk :p | 08:19 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, :) | 08:19 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, There's still more bugs cropping up, but I think we're on top of the most important ones. | 08:20 |
| mvo | kamstrup: need to check, I can also play a bit with json. alternatively I could provide you a dbus service | 08:20 |
| mvo | kamstrup: but that does not is speedy enough I guess | 08:20 |
| kamstrup | mvo: hmm, we can't depend on a running s-c | 08:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, yeah, I've not seen a lot of "important to fix for oneiric" ones, out of the ones assigned to you | 08:20 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, I will review the bugs today though just to be sure | 08:21 |
| kamstrup | mvo: json is easy, but scares me because I've seen how slow it is in gwibber | 08:21 |
| mvo | kamstrup: it would be something extra, not part of main s-c, but its probably a bad idea even then | 08:21 |
| mvo | kamstrup: yeah, exactly | 08:21 |
| kamstrup | mvo: it takes >1s 100% CPU churn to parse ~1k messages in gwibber | 08:21 |
| mvo | kamstrup: s-c is already pretty slow to startup, I don't want to make it worse :/ | 08:21 |
| kamstrup | granted, that's some complex json, but still | 08:21 |
| kamstrup | mvo: lol, right :-) | 08:22 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, thanks. there will be some things that will be annoying, but I guess we can put in the release notes "use gdm if this particular feature is important" (assuming it works in GDM) | 08:22 |
| kamstrup | mvo: a mmap()able db format should make it faster than a pickle for S-C as well I guess | 08:22 |
| mvo | kamstrup: let me check the CD to see if dbm might work, we just need to be careful with the layout so that there are no interoperatable issue. but I think that should be ok as the data is really just a mapping of str -> (int, int, int) | 08:23 |
| kamstrup | mvo: yeah, sounds fit for a keystore | 08:23 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, right | 08:24 |
| mvo | kamstrup: I think for next cycle we need to talk some more and we need to provide you proper APIs | 08:24 |
| kamstrup | mvo: I have libdb5.1 providing /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdb-5.1.so here... i don't know if that's on the cd... | 08:26 |
| kamstrup | but i guess so | 08:26 |
| robert_ancell | jasoncwarner_, so bug 828112 is fixed? Using packages from the standard repos? | 08:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 828112 in unity-greeter "Password field feedback slow at times" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/828112 | 08:28 |
| mvo | kamstrup: both 4.8 and 5.1 are installed for me on the live-cd so we should be fine | 08:28 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, the updates I mentioned there are not in the standard repo but in the ubuntu-desktop ppa | 08:29 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, is there a bug I can merge this with? | 08:29 |
| jasoncwarner_ | robert_ancell: I had to manually create an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to stop the HDMI probe | 08:30 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: right, we need a wrapper around gnome-session for the lightdm guest account that we can hook the AA profile to | 08:32 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, yeah, annoying! | 08:32 |
| pitti | robert_ancell: but that can be a simple two-liner (she-bang and exec gnome-session "$@"), as in gdm | 08:32 |
| pitti | jjardon: good morning | 08:33 |
| pitti | jjardon: out of interest, what's the advantage of i-power talking to gnome-settings-daemon instead of upower directly? | 08:33 |
| robert_ancell | pitti, right, but there's no concept of sticking one in in lightdm, so we need to work out the right place to do it | 08:33 |
| kamstrup | mvo: ok, cool. I've no idea, but I assume we should use 5.1... | 08:34 |
| seb128 | jasoncwarner_, bug #855350 is the bug dholbach opened about the output probbing issue | 08:37 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 855350 in xorg "long reprobes slow down boot/login" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855350 | 08:37 |
| seb128 | jasoncwarner_, if you want to comment on it | 08:38 |
| jjardon | pitti: gnome-settings-daemon parse all the devices info for me, so I get a list of available devices with all their info only with a dbus call | 08:42 |
| pitti | jjardon: that makes it slightly dependent on GNOME, though? | 08:42 |
| pitti | jjardon: I just noticed because I'm currently debugging bug 854717, and it's indicator-power which dbus-launches g-s-d | 08:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 | 08:43 |
| pitti | (a broken g-s-d) | 08:43 |
| pitti | jjardon: that's not directly i-power's fault, of course, but it made me wonder why it uses g-s-d | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson_ | RAOF, Sarvatt - is the eDP slowness likely to affect changing the screen brightness via xrandr? | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson_ | i noticed this morning that the new kernel fixes a huge lag i was also seeing when adjusting the brightnes | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson_ | s | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson_ | unless that's just my imagination ;) | 08:45 |
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| pitti | chrisccoulson_: if xrandr --verbose contains a "BACKLIGHT", then we are using xrandr calls for the brightness keys, yes | 08:45 |
| pitti | the old gnome-power-manager had a fallback to poke the values into the ACPI files in /proc/, but I guess that's gone these days | 08:45 |
| pitti | we now rely on the XBACKLIGHT extension, which I believe goes through XRandR | 08:46 |
| pitti | (I have no idea where this ends up at the kernel level, though) | 08:46 |
| chrisccoulson | pitti - oh, no BACKLIGHT on my machine here :/ | 08:46 |
| jjardon | pitti: well, gsd is a core part of GNOME, I really do not think that you can run a Unity session without it. Also, I'd have to duplicate a lot of code that Its already in gsd, so I chooosed to use gsd directly | 08:46 |
| pitti | jjardon: I mean for XFCE and the like | 08:46 |
| pitti | jjardon: I was just wondering if g-s-d's power module provides any functionality which upower doesn't, or whether it just offers a more convenient API | 08:47 |
| jjardon | pitti: XFCE has is own power indicator | 08:47 |
| pitti | because if g-s-d is adding functionality, I'd rather move that down to upower | 08:47 |
| jasoncwarner_ | seb128 and didrocks, can I reschedule our talks tonight? have a conflicting music lens discussion at the same time... | 08:49 |
| didrocks | jasoncwarner_: sure | 08:49 |
| seb128 | jasoncwarner_, "no" ;-) | 08:49 |
| jjardon | pitti: gsd uses upower to get all the info about power devices. It parses it and you get all the info with a dbus call. So, yes, It's a much more convenience api and you save a lot of code | 08:51 |
| pitti | jjardon: fun, I thought it would be a lot more convenient to use e. g. up_client_get_devices() and teh libupower-glib API than fiddling with dbus calls yourself | 08:53 |
| pitti | jjardon: so if libupower-glib sohuld have an API that you would like to have and is missing, I'm still interested in hearing about it; we can just add it | 08:53 |
| jasoncwarner_ | hmmm...is mumble not working for anyone else right now? setting up on my recent reinstall and it hangs configuring it...have to force quit it... | 08:53 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner_: WFM | 08:54 |
| seb128 | jasoncwarner_, works here | 08:54 |
| mvo | kamstrup: proof of concept lp:~mvo/software-center/review-stats-as-dbm-for-unity-with-best-regards | 08:55 |
| pitti | jjardon: we just noticed that we can't use indicator-power in ubiquity-dm for that reason (see my last comment on bug 854717) | 08:55 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 | 08:55 |
| jjardon | pitti: sure. have to go now, I'll follow the discussion later ;) | 08:55 |
| mvo | kamstrup: exports (iii) ratings_average, ratings_total, dampended_rating, the last one is what you want to use as the key, its calculated using a wilson score on the ratings spread | 08:55 |
| mvo | kamstrup: well, I guess not necssarily, depends on your UI needs, but that is what we use | 08:56 |
| mvo | kamstrup: I guess it would be nice to export it to a tool for you too so that you can trigger updates on the stats yourself instead of relying on s-c doing it | 08:58 |
| kamstrup | mvo: I don't think generally the dash should cause changes to local data | 09:00 |
| kamstrup | mvo: it's for lookups and access | 09:00 |
| mvo | 'k | 09:01 |
| kamstrup | mvo: usage logging hapens indirectly via zeitgeist then | 09:01 |
| mvo | kamstrup: if you need the review spread (10 x 1 star, 4 x 2 stars) etc, just let me know, that can be added as well | 09:01 |
| kamstrup | mvo: ok - not for O definitely | 09:02 |
| mvo | kamstrup: and we might need a bugreport if that should make it into the archive for reference for the release team, uploads are hand-approved currently | 09:02 |
| kamstrup | mvo: ok... | 09:03 |
| kamstrup | mvo: what format do you want to use for the payload? | 09:03 |
| kamstrup | mvo: A GVariant "(iii)" would be extraordinarily handy for me :-) | 09:03 |
| kamstrup | dunno how easy they are to serialize in Python though... lemme see | 09:04 |
| mvo | kamstrup: I already use python struct | 09:05 |
| mvo | kamstrup: so you should be able to just use something like struct { int , int, int } in your c(++) code | 09:06 |
| kamstrup | mvo: oh? you sure? | 09:06 |
| mvo | kamstrup: well, that is what the python struct module is all about, I haven't written a test C client for this yet, but it should just work(tm) | 09:07 |
| mvo | kamstrup: let me quickly verify this | 09:08 |
| davidcalle | pitti, or someone else, when is the new pygobject supposed to enter the archives? | 09:13 |
| pitti | davidcalle: 3.0.0? after b2 | 09:14 |
| davidcalle | pitti, thanks, I'm worried about it. Looks like it makes python lenses segfault. | 09:15 |
| seb128 | seems like a bug for kamstrup ;-) | 09:15 |
| pitti | davidcalle: that's why I didn't push it into b2 yet; I tested it with apport, jockey, software-center etc., but not with everything yet; I did notice a regression in gtimelog, but I got that fixed now | 09:16 |
| pitti | davidcalle: you can test it from the PPA, maybe you can get a stack trace and file a bug? | 09:16 |
| davidcalle | pitti, I'm on the PPA. I will file a bug, thanks. | 09:17 |
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| kamstrup | davidcalle: you have the ppa url, I can debug the crasher | 09:27 |
| pitti | kamstrup: add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa | 09:28 |
| kamstrup | pitti: thanks | 09:28 |
| pitti | kamstrup: you'll also get a faster startup from that, for bonus :) | 09:28 |
| pitti | jasoncwarner_: want to skip our 1-on-1, too? | 09:30 |
| davidcalle | kamstrup, thanks :) Was learning how to get stack traces. | 09:30 |
| * didrocks reboots | 09:31 | |
| jasoncwarner_ | pitti: I'm good for a bit if you have a couple of minutes...want to catch up on a couple quick things... | 09:35 |
| jasoncwarner_ | i got mumble working as well (took a reboot) | 09:36 |
| didrocks | waow, that was… weird | 09:39 |
| didrocks | libnss3 package installed, but no /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libnss3.so | 09:39 |
| didrocks | network-manager and nm-applet didn't appreciate :) | 09:40 |
| geser | didrocks: see topic in #ubuntu-devel | 09:41 |
| didrocks | geser: argh, ok… thanks for the pointer | 09:41 |
| mpt | pitti, hi. If an application wants to discourage you from logging out or shutting down while it finishes a task (e.g. burning a CD, defragmenting a disk, installing a package), what's the appropriate way to do that? Is it a ConsoleKit API? (I tried reading the CK docs but didn't understand them) | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | mpt - gnome-session | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | that has an inhibit API | 09:45 |
| chrisccoulson | (for logging out, anyway) | 09:46 |
| mpt | chrisccoulson, ah, <http://live.gnome.org/SessionManagement/GnomeSession#A8._QueryEndSession>? | 09:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, mhr | 09:46 |
| chrisccoulson | for shutting down, i'm not sure if there is an inhibit API | 09:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, mhr3 and cyphermox got that bug as well this week | 09:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, cyphermox tried to figure why the file had been cleaned, not sure they figured it though | 09:47 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems ca-certificates being a little bit more too drastic in his pick :) | 09:47 |
| kamstrup | davidcalle: don't stop then :-) | 09:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: what geser told, topic of #ubuntu-devel | 09:47 |
| seb128 | ok | 09:47 |
| kamstrup | davidcalle: did you have a bug report? | 09:47 |
| didrocks | ca-certificates eats system libraries, DO NOT UPDATE (bug #855171) | 09:47 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 855171 in nss "libnss3.so went missing after upgrade" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855171 | 09:47 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:47 |
| seb128 | I got lucky it didn't eat mine | 09:47 |
| didrocks | indeed, well, I just lost 3 minutes… | 09:48 |
| didrocks | fortunatly, I had it still in cache and --reinstall worked | 09:48 |
| davidcalle | kamstrup, I'm filing one in a few minutes. | 09:48 |
| didrocks | otherwise, I would have to hunt for an usb key, and that would have took more time :) | 09:48 |
| mpt | thanks chrisccoulson | 09:49 |
| seb128 | stupid tb, stop marking the selected message as read when entering a mailbox! ;-) | 09:51 |
| davidcalle | kamstrup, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/855402 | 09:52 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 855402 in unity "Python lenses segfault with pygobject3" [Undecided,New] | 09:52 |
| kamstrup | davidcalle: tanks | 09:53 |
| kamstrup | thanks | 09:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: +1 | 09:53 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, your g-s-d package is indeed much quicker | 10:04 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, I was looking though at making those patches upstreamable, and I think it would be better, for the share-the-gnome-rr-screen one, to have some code in gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-screen.[ch] or something | 10:05 |
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, yeah, i planned to do it that way at some point | 10:05 |
| rodrigo_ | that just returns a shared instance of GnomeRRScreen, instead of using the property on the GdkScreen | 10:05 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, ok, cool | 10:05 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, that would probably be better actually | 10:05 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, I can do it if you want | 10:05 |
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, sure, feel free :) | 10:06 |
| chrisccoulson | i'll push the current branch to bzr in a moment | 10:06 |
| rodrigo_ | about the media keys one, not 100% sure, so better to file a bug for hadess to review it | 10:06 |
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, did you see my notes on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis ? | 10:06 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, no, looking | 10:07 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, yes, we can have the patches as they are for oneiric, I'll prepare the patch for git master | 10:08 |
| chrisccoulson | thanks :) | 10:08 |
| tjaalton | chrisccoulson: firefox sometimes opens tabs on a wrong window here, as if the focus is not on the window where I want it to be. known issue or not? | 10:09 |
| chrisccoulson | tjaalton, no, i've not seen that before. is this using compiz? | 10:10 |
| chrisccoulson | actually, i'm not sure if that would matter | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | chrisccoulson: yes, and happens only with fullscreen windows, it seems | 10:10 |
| chrisccoulson | how are you opening the new tab? | 10:10 |
| tjaalton | ctrl-t | 10:10 |
| chrisccoulson | that should open in the window that gets the event :/ | 10:11 |
| tjaalton | well, all the kbd shortcuts end up in the wrong window, so ctrl-w might close tabs behind my back :) | 10:11 |
| chrisccoulson | i've seen focus issues with compiz like this ;) | 10:11 |
| chrisccoulson | eg, bug 838625 | 10:12 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: speaking of which, did you upgrade using the ppa? | 10:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 838625 in compiz "Unpredictable focusing after switching viewports with the keyboard" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838625 | 10:12 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah. i didn't see any issues afterwards | 10:12 |
| didrocks | great :-) | 10:12 |
| tjaalton | chrisccoulson: oh, if it's related to the stacking bug then I'll just wait for the updates | 10:14 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: you can try the ubuntu-desktop ppa | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | happens with fullscreen windows that are on separate viewports, one on top of the other | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: ppa:ubuntu-desktop? | 10:14 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa indeed :) | 10:14 |
| tjaalton | didrocks: thanks, adding | 10:15 |
| didrocks | tjaalton: keep us in touch :) | 10:15 |
| chrisccoulson | i should try the 3d session again to see if the stacking fixes fix the focus issues i was seeing too | 10:15 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: oh, you didn't try it? wasn't the purpose of installing the ppa :-) | 10:16 |
| tjaalton | it's possible to fix the focus by going to another viewport with a non-fullscreen ffox window | 10:16 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, i didn't notice any stacking issues (like, mouse clicks going to the wrong windows and the dash appearing underneath everything else) | 10:16 |
| chrisccoulson | but i didn't use it for long enough to see if there were other focus issues. i wasn't sure if that was all related to the stacking bugs | 10:17 |
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| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, i've pushed the gsd changes to bzr btw | 10:26 |
| chrisccoulson | remember also that there is a gnome-desktop change | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, ok | 10:27 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, for the gnome-desktop change, I'll let you do the upstreaming :) | 10:28 |
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, sure, no problem | 10:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, can we drop your gwibber upload to the desktop ppa? it's the same version than oneiric and 2 weeks old | 10:31 |
| seb128 | bah, tb | 10:32 |
| seb128 | "Thunderbird is already running, but is not responding. To open a new window, you must first close the existing Thunderbird process, or restart your system." | 10:32 |
| didrocks | seb128: yes | 10:33 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 10:33 |
| didrocks | yw | 10:33 |
| === tkamppeter__ is now known as tkamppeter | ||
| chrisccoulson | rodrigo_, gnome bug 659689 | 10:44 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 659689 in libgnome-desktop "gnome_rr_config_apply_from_filename_with_time does an unnecessary XRR roundtrip if the config file doesn't exist" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659689 | 10:44 |
| rodrigo_ | chrisccoulson, ok thanks | 10:44 |
| === Pendulum_ is now known as Pendulum | ||
| jjardon | pitti: after some research, I think the best solution here is wait until the gsd dbus service is ready and then use it from indicator-power, so we do not have conflicts. Working on a patch | 11:02 |
| pitti | jjardon: i. e. not activate it yourself? | 11:05 |
| pitti | jjardon: we have an alternative proposal for ubiquity to start g-s-d earlier, wait for it to appear on the bus, and then start its panel | 11:06 |
| pitti | but of course the two don't exclude each other :) | 11:06 |
| jjardon | pitti: yeah. Use g_bus_watch_name() to start to use the service when It appears | 11:07 |
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| chrisccoulson | gutted - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-14998964 | 11:13 |
| chrisccoulson | just think of all that wasted cheese | 11:13 |
| seb128 | hum, cheese! ;-) | 11:15 |
| seb128 | well, uk cheese, it's probably not real cheese ;-) | 11:15 |
| didrocks | indeed, it's not cheese | 11:15 |
| didrocks | I tried that in Ireland, "white sheddar" looks like "gruyère" | 11:16 |
| didrocks | not at all the same on pasta :p | 11:16 |
| chrisccoulson | heh | 11:16 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, will we get a stable tb before oneiric? | 11:18 |
| seb128 | it's weird to be greeted by a "welcome to thunderbird beta" ;-) | 11:18 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yes ;) | 11:19 |
| seb128 | great ;-) | 11:19 |
| jjardon | pitti: just committed this patch. Maybe you can verify that It solves the problem for you? http://paste.ubuntu.com/694409/ | 11:52 |
| pitti | jjardon: you can link that to bug 854717, BTW | 11:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 854717 in ubiquity "Broken panel icons and dialog style during ubiquity-dm and OEM install/final user configuration" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854717 | 11:52 |
| pitti | jjardon: nice! | 11:53 |
| pitti | jjardon: once it's built, I can try that with an older ubiquity version, that'll double-check | 11:53 |
| jjardon | pitti: great :). Just added a comment to the bug pointing to the commit | 11:58 |
| rodrigo_ | lunch, bbl | 12:13 |
| pitti | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20110921.1/ up for testing | 12:20 |
| seb128 | pitti, great | 12:21 |
| pitti | seb128, didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop seems current to me; can you think of anything which we introduced after b1 which ought to be described? | 12:36 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, oneconf perhaps? | 12:36 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, as syncing is now on, I can put a sentence about it | 12:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, nothing I can think offhand but I will tell you if I figure one | 12:37 |
| didrocks | nothing for unity | 12:37 |
| * pitti will review our meeting pages | 12:37 | |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll add CJK support for the dash search | 12:38 |
| pitti | hm, we really need to fix versions.py to take the unapproved queue into account | 12:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, i've updated the etherpad for the todo list, but yes | 12:39 |
| seb128 | looking into it | 12:40 |
| pitti | seb128: ooh, new g-i? /me grabs | 12:40 |
| seb128 | it should check the queue but maybe it's only the new one, not "unapproved" | 12:40 |
| didrocks | pitti: indeed, adding | 12:40 |
| seb128 | for upload in distro_series.getPackageUploads(status='Unapproved'): | 12:40 |
| seb128 | no, it checks for Unapproved, weird | 12:40 |
| pitti | doing glib-network as well | 12:40 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke | 12:41 |
| * didrocks doesn't like people getting a traceback, and then uploading it only after dist-upgrading… | 12:43 | |
| seb128 | didrocks, you hate users, just say it! ;-) | 12:45 |
| didrocks | seb128: you teached me so! :p | 12:45 |
| * didrocks looks if apt has the info of when the package was installed | 12:46 | |
| didrocks | maybe apport can check the timestamp in /var/crash and when the package was installed | 12:46 |
| seb128 | didrocks, what do you try to prevent? apport should not let you report bugs where the versions listed are outdated | 12:46 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes, that's been on my TODO list for quite long, I hope I can do that in perky penguin | 12:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: basically, someone got a crash, then apt-get upgrade, then run apport to report the bug | 12:47 |
| seb128 | retracing will fail for those usually, but yeah it creates noise | 12:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: apport will tell "I have the latest and greatest" and upload :) | 12:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: not on python! | 12:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: that would be excellent ;) | 12:48 |
| seb128 | the ones I would really like to block is those happening at session closing and showing at next login ;-) | 12:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: this can be done cheaply with comparing the time stamp of the executable file at crash and at GUI time | 12:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: indeed | 12:48 |
| pitti | seb128: bug 460932, but need to sit down for a while to see how we can prevent it | 12:48 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 460932 in apport "Do not catch crashes which happen at logout" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/460932 | 12:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum? yeah, that's a cheap and nice idea :) | 12:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: faster than md5sum'ing etc. | 12:49 |
| didrocks | pitti: let me put that on my TODO | 12:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: bug 132904 | 12:49 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 132904 in apport "Ignore crashes for running programs whose package got updated underneath" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132904 | 12:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll assign it to me and tag it pet-bug | 12:49 |
| pitti | didrocks: one of my goals for next cycle is to fix pet-bugs again :) | 12:49 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh, a really recent bug :) | 12:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: great! :-) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | pitti, one way would be to not spawn dialogs for things not from the current boot | 12:50 |
| seb128 | i.e anything older than dmesg stamps | 12:50 |
| pitti | hah, it is already | 12:50 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| mdeslaur | bug 853951 is _really_ beginning to irk me | 12:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 853951 in unity "Workspace switcher makes windows lose decorations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/853951 | 12:50 |
| seb128 | smspillaz, ^ | 12:51 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, never got this one | 12:51 |
| pitti | seb128: hmm, that's worth thinking through indeed | 12:51 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: urgh? doesn't happen here. | 12:51 |
| smspillaz | mdeslaur: didrocks it's a known issue, I'm going to work on it when I get a chance | 12:51 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks, smspillaz, seb128: thanks | 12:51 |
| seb128 | I wonder what the "test drive" button in usb-creator does | 12:51 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: smspillaz: targetting it then | 12:51 |
| seb128 | it's on the dialog after the iso recording | 12:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: thanks for the wiki update; I did some cleanups, and signing off now | 12:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: great, thanks :) | 12:55 |
| === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley | ||
| chrisccoulson | i've just been trying to debug another issue with the volume notifications, and this time i don't think it is the fault of g-s-d | 13:16 |
| chrisccoulson | according to pulseaudio indicator-sound-service responds to each volume change by setting the volume again | 13:17 |
| chrisccoulson | and it ends up cancelling the mute when g-s-d initially sets it | 13:17 |
| mdeslaur | chrisccoulson: lol | 13:17 |
| chrisccoulson | ie, g-s-d sets muted and displays it on screen, but indicator-sound-service immediately unmutes it again | 13:18 |
| chrisccoulson | so the next time you press the volume down media-key, you get the same "muted" icon without the throbbing effect | 13:18 |
| chrisccoulson | time to report an indicator-sound bug ;) | 13:18 |
| chrisccoulson | that's been bugging me for weeks now | 13:19 |
| seb128 | vuntz, can you review a gnome-desktop patch from chrisccoulson? | 13:31 |
| * pitti grabs gtk+3.0 | 13:32 | |
| chrisccoulson | nice, i'm glad i narrowed down bug 855557, that's been annoying me for ages :) | 13:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 855557 in indicator-sound "indicator-sound-service interferes with gnome-settings-daemon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855557 | 13:35 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, bounce it to dx, or ted, ronoc is on leave | 13:35 |
| seb128 | hum, ok who understand launchpadlib? | 13:35 |
| seb128 | ubuntu_series = launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='oneiric') | 13:35 |
| seb128 | print ubuntu_series.getPackageUploads() | 13:35 |
| seb128 | that gives me | 13:35 |
| seb128 | <lazr.restfulclient.resource.Collection object at 0x929fb4c> | 13:35 |
| seb128 | what I can do from it? | 13:36 |
| seb128 | version tries to iterate through it with a "for upload in ubuntu_series.getPackageUploads():" | 13:36 |
| seb128 | but that seems to not work | 13:36 |
| pitti | iteration usually works | 13:36 |
| pitti | what doesn't here? | 13:37 |
| seb128 | ubuntu_series = launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='oneiric') | 13:37 |
| seb128 | for upload in ubuntu_series.getPackageUploads(): | 13:37 |
| seb128 | print "unapproved:", upload | 13:37 |
| seb128 | 13:37 | |
| seb128 | -> empty output | 13:37 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 13:37 |
| seb128 | it seems to hang | 13:37 |
| pitti | seb128: erm, just getPackageUploads()? | 13:38 |
| pitti | isn't that going to give you a bazillion results? | 13:38 |
| seb128 | getPackageUploads(status='Unapproved') | 13:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, ubuntu_series.getPackageUploads(status='Unapproved'): | 13:38 |
| seb128 | rather | 13:38 |
| seb128 | when I dropped the status to see if that was the issue | 13:38 |
| pitti | >>> up.total_size | 13:39 |
| pitti | 30 | 13:39 |
| pitti | that seems fine | 13:39 |
| pitti | and iteration works here | 13:39 |
| seb128 | ok | 13:39 |
| seb128 | ubuntu_series = launchpad.distributions['ubuntu'].getSeries(name_or_version='oneiric') | 13:39 |
| seb128 | for upload in ubuntu_series.getPackageUploads(status='Unapproved'): | 13:39 |
| seb128 | print "unapproved:", upload | 13:39 |
| seb128 | -> empty | 13:39 |
| seb128 | for me | 13:39 |
| seb128 | like it returns without printing anything | 13:39 |
| pitti | >>> for u in up: | 13:40 |
| pitti | ... print u.display_name | 13:40 |
| pitti | ... | 13:40 |
| pitti | pygobject | 13:40 |
| pitti | gobject-introspection | 13:40 |
| pitti | eucalyptus | 13:40 |
| pitti | [...] | 13:40 |
| pitti | and just printing u gives me "https://api.launchpad.net/1.0/ubuntu/oneiric/+upload/3198332" [...] | 13:40 |
| seb128 | mueuh | 13:41 |
| pitti | ooh | 13:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/694454/ | 13:41 |
| seb128 | is what I'm trying to run | 13:41 |
| pitti | seb128: it seems it doesn't work with login_anonymously() | 13:41 |
| pitti | WTH | 13:41 |
| pitti | darn, seems we need to login authenticated again | 13:41 |
| seb128 | why?! | 13:41 |
| pitti | i. e. login_with(), and supply a cookie the first time | 13:42 |
| pitti | I don't know | 13:42 |
| seb128 | I don't want to start having to maintain a cookie for version | 13:42 |
| seb128 | I guess I should ask on #launchpad, seems a bug | 13:42 |
| seb128 | pitti, well in any case that's why the versions queue use is broken | 13:43 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 13:43 |
| seb128 | since that's what it does to list items in the queue | 13:43 |
| pitti | seb128: we could just leave the cookie on ~/.launchpadlib/ on people, and give it a readonly priv? | 13:43 |
| seb128 | pitti, wfm | 13:43 |
| seb128 | but we need an account to use? | 13:44 |
| seb128 | or do you want to use the retracer one? | 13:44 |
| pitti | I'm happy for it to use my creds, as long as it's readonly and public | 13:44 |
| seb128 | pitti, want to set it up? | 13:44 |
| pitti | seb128: sure | 13:44 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 13:44 |
| pitti | seb128: done, next cron job should get it | 13:51 |
| pitti | in 15 ins | 13:51 |
| seb128 | pitti, danke! ;-) | 13:51 |
| cyphermox | seb128: would I need an FFE for the libnm-gtk split (what is needed for g-c-c) ? | 14:04 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ | 14:04 |
| cyphermox | I'm about to write one for NM 0.9.1.90 too. | 14:04 |
| pitti | cyphermox: they split a source pakcage? | 14:04 |
| cyphermox | yeah | 14:04 |
| pitti | seems fine | 14:04 |
| pitti | cyphermox: any difference in the binary packages? | 14:04 |
| cyphermox | wait no | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | they split the binary package | 14:05 |
| pitti | i. e. source only split, or does it create new library packages? | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | new library | 14:05 |
| seb128 | is there an easier way to specify configure option to dh rules than using "override_dh_auto_configure:"? | 14:05 |
| pitti | that'll mean a transition with potentially many rebuilds, so we should have an FFE | 14:05 |
| seb128 | i.e should I | 14:05 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't think there is | 14:05 |
| seb128 | override_dh_auto_configure: | 14:05 |
| seb128 | dh_auto_configure --disable-icon-update | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | pitti: nothing was using any of it before :) | 14:05 |
| seb128 | dh_auto_configure -- --disable... | 14:05 |
| seb128 | rather | 14:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, thanks | 14:05 |
| cyphermox | pitti: it's been split to make wifi/mobile dialogs available to other apps instead of relying on nm-applet | 14:06 |
| pitti | cyphermox: seems fine | 14:06 |
| cyphermox | pitti: my ffe for NM is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/855592 | 14:18 |
| ubot2 | Ubuntu bug 855592 in network-manager "FFE: NetworkManager 0.9.1.90" [Undecided,New] | 14:18 |
| pitti | cyphermox: updated | 14:21 |
| cyphermox | thanks | 14:21 |
| pitti | seb128: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html> darn, no difference | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, "Last updated: Wednesday September 21 2011 13:50:06 +0000" | 14:24 |
| seb128 | pitti, it was before your change | 14:24 |
| pitti | oh, versions.py stopped running, weird | 14:24 |
| * pitti runs in foreground, perhaps it crashed | 14:25 | |
| seb128 | maybe it's waiting for lplib authentification? | 14:25 |
| seb128 | or something went wrong with the cookie | 14:25 |
| pitti | no, I did that already, and checked | 14:25 |
| seb128 | there is a reason I prefer anonymous ;-) | 14:25 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:25 |
| pitti | temporarily disabling cronjob (in case I forget) | 14:25 |
| dobey | pitti: can we go back to the old, non-broken, python-gojbect? :) | 14:26 |
| pitti | dobey: what is broken? | 14:26 |
| pitti | seb128: running in foreground now; lp login etc. went fine | 14:27 |
| dobey | pitti: requiring people to use introspection, when all the APIs they need to use are not introspected, and some of the APIs they need, don't have static bindings | 14:27 |
| pitti | dobey: how was the latter any different? | 14:28 |
| pitti | e. g. Soup didn't have static bindings, so you couldn't use it before either | 14:28 |
| dobey | pitti: back when we could mix static bindings and gi bindings, we could actually have software that works reliably | 14:28 |
| pitti | that actually never worked reliably | 14:28 |
| dobey | pitti: right, but we could mix static/gi with old gobject | 14:28 |
| pitti | it was a source of weird crsahes | 14:28 |
| dobey | i'd rather have a million bugs depending on upstream getting their act together, than having them tell me i'm not allowed to write applications using APIs I need to use, because they haven't been bound in GI :-/ | 14:30 |
| dobey | and my particular points of pain right now are Unity and twisted | 14:32 |
| dobey | not Soup | 14:32 |
| pitti | dobey: you can still do it by importing all GI bits first, and then the static ones | 14:32 |
| pitti | but you get to keep both halves when it breaks | 14:32 |
| pitti | $ python -c 'import gobject; from gi.repository import Gtk' | 14:32 |
| pitti | -> ImportError('When using gi.repository blabla') | 14:33 |
| pitti | $ python -c 'from gi.repository import Gtk; import gobject' | 14:33 |
| dobey | unfortunately not possible | 14:33 |
| pitti | -> no complaint | 14:33 |
| pitti | but even this simple one already breaks in glib | 14:33 |
| pitti | (Warning: g_boxed_type_register_static:..) | 14:33 |
| pitti | $ python -c 'from gi.repository import Soup; import twisted' | 14:35 |
| pitti | dobey: ^ that particular combination might work? | 14:35 |
| pitti | ah, twisted itself doesn't use gobject, that was just a particular submodule | 14:36 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, is ureadahead working for you? is it supposed to do something on a ssd? on my chart it doesn't stop any other loading and the bar has no io color, seems weird | 14:37 |
| pitti | dobey: is there a particular library you need? building a gir is not exactly rocket science, so we can help upstream to build one | 14:37 |
| dobey | pitti: from twisted.internet.glib2reactor import install | 14:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, yeah, it seems to work ok here | 14:37 |
| dobey | pitti: the problem isn't that the .gir/typelib is missing; the problem is that glib/gio/gobject stuff isn't totally bound yet | 14:37 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hum ok, I'm testing on the 10v with an install I just did an hour ago | 14:37 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, actually, maybe not - https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80459240/farnsworth-oneiric-20110920-16.png | 14:38 |
| chrisccoulson | that doesn't make a lot of sense ;) | 14:38 |
| seb128 | your changes in the ppa won 1s on the boot there | 14:38 |
| chrisccoulson | nice :) | 14:38 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, is that a fresh install? | 14:38 |
| dobey | pitti: or well, i'm trying to port the glib2/gtk2 reactor to gi/gtk3 APIs with gir, but alas, lack of upstream bindings | 14:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, well "fresh", rebooted 10 times with some minutes in session | 14:38 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, i.e it should have done the ureadahead caching | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | there's still the case where it regresses if you've ever changed your monitor settings, which sucks | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | (ie, it adds back another reprobe) | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | which there isn't really any need for :) | 14:39 |
| seb128 | it's "down" to 26.8s on the 10v | 14:39 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, what was it in lucid? | 14:41 |
| seb128 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis | 14:42 |
| seb128 | 12s... | 14:42 |
| chrisccoulson | still a way to go then ;) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | but it was 37s 1 week ago on oneiric | 14:42 |
| seb128 | so 10.2s in a week is already something ;-) | 14:42 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 14:42 |
| seb128 | it's not only us | 14:43 |
| seb128 | gnome-session used to start 6s into the boot, it starts at 9s now | 14:43 |
| chrisccoulson | ah, so it's not all our fault then ;) | 14:43 |
| seb128 | I need to debug nautilus | 14:44 |
| seb128 | it was taking 3 seconds of cpu, it's taking like 10s now | 14:44 |
| seb128 | and I've moved all the .so out, so it's not the u1 integration or something else being stupid | 14:44 |
| chrisccoulson | ouch, that's quite a bit | 14:44 |
| seb128 | the other offender is compiz,unity | 14:45 |
| chrisccoulson | yeah, i think those are a lost cause for oneiric ;) | 14:45 |
| seb128 | also we use to run the wm directly | 14:45 |
| seb128 | not delay it to after g-s-d | 14:45 |
| seb128 | i.e on http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-lucid-20100305-1.png | 14:45 |
| seb128 | lot of small things taking 1s as well | 14:46 |
| seb128 | the helper to detect if we should run 3d or not | 14:46 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, who knows -- http://people.canonical.com/~platform/desktop/versions.html worked now | 14:46 |
| pitti | heisenbug | 14:46 |
| seb128 | zg taking over a second cpu | 14:46 |
| seb128 | pitti, looks better ;-) | 14:46 |
| didrocks | seb128: the helper souldn't take any time now, (at least, you should pay the price before gnome-session is there) | 14:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's autologin | 14:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: even with autologin | 14:47 |
| pitti | seb128: indeed, much more useful again \o/ | 14:47 |
| didrocks | seb128: it's run *before* gnome-session | 14:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so it's buggy, it takes 2s of blue bar | 14:47 |
| chrisccoulson | so, we'll all be discussing boot speed at UDS then ? :) | 14:47 |
| seb128 | didrocks, not on my charts | 14:48 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, it marks the unapproved ones with a little "Q" | 14:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, right | 14:48 |
| didrocks | seb128: can you upload your chart? | 14:49 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I'm copying them over | 14:49 |
| didrocks | if you are on autologin | 14:50 |
| didrocks | you should see it running twice | 14:50 |
| didrocks | one before gnome-session, paying the price | 14:50 |
| didrocks | and a short time after gnome-session (just checking a file) | 14:50 |
| didrocks | seb128: ls /tmp/unity_support_test* | 14:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, I was going to ask you about this -- what creates /tmp/unity_support_test.0 ? | 14:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: it's a predictable file name, so whatever creates it must be *very* careful to not make this a symlink attack vector | 14:51 |
| didrocks | pitti: unity_support_test creates it :) | 14:52 |
| didrocks | (/usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test) | 14:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: hum, it runs under the user or lightdm name, indeed | 14:52 |
| pitti | didrocks: does it need to be in /tmp/ ? | 14:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: it needs to be somewhere where it's removed at startup | 14:52 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doh, ok, my fault | 14:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: basically, that's the speed improvment I made last week i discussed on the team report | 14:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, there is a gnome-fallback... on the chart, I though it was the fallback 3d session upstream thing | 14:53 |
| didrocks | pitti: when unity-greeter is running, the support tool test is ran and drop that file depending on the result | 14:53 |
| seb128 | but it seems it's gnome-fallback-mount-helper from g-s-d | 14:53 |
| didrocks | seb128: ahah! :-) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | didrocks, pitti, chrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/oneiric-Inspiron-1011-oneiric-20110921-6.png | 14:54 |
| didrocks | pitti: then the scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ before logging try to pick it | 14:54 |
| seb128 | 10v beta2 chart with the desktop team ppa | 14:54 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, wow, on mine it was 2 s faster even without the PPA: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/bootcharts/daniel-oneiric-20110914-disable-indicator-session.png | 14:54 |
| pitti | seb128: however, the desktop PPA should make little difference | 14:55 |
| seb128 | why does it call modprobre and blkid in serie? | 14:55 |
| pitti | as both CPUs are fully used all the time, the extra wait time doesn't matter | 14:55 |
| seb128 | pitti, it makes a ~1s difference there | 14:55 |
| pitti | nice | 14:56 |
| didrocks | pitti: I'm happy with any better solution, basically, the test tool should be able to cache its result and we need to have a fast check even if we restart it upon reboot | 14:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: so it can't go into ~, and it needs to be predictable | 14:57 |
| didrocks | pitti: knowing that it can be run from multiple users on the machcine (and even lightdm) | 14:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: and needs cleaning up on boot? | 14:57 |
| didrocks | pitti: indeed, if you install a new driver or whatever | 14:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: then the only locations are /tmp/ and /run/lock/, both of which are world-writeable | 14:57 |
| didrocks | I picked /tmp for that reason | 14:57 |
| pitti | didrocks: so we indeed need to be careful; I'll have a look at the code, I guess it's in lp:unity? | 14:57 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, it's lp:nux | 14:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: my code is pretty silly, but yeah, I will leave a second look :) | 14:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: I can just run that tool without harm, right? | 14:58 |
| pitti | didrocks: what's .0, the $DISPLAY? | 14:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, it won't hurt you, I promess! | 14:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: no, it's the result (0 for ok, 1 for ko) | 14:58 |
| pitti | ah | 14:59 |
| pitti | right, it's not user specific | 14:59 |
| chrisccoulson | nice - http://chevrel.org/temp/Capture-trailer_400p.png :) | 14:59 |
| didrocks | pitti: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/nux/trunk/view/head:/tools/unity_support_test.c | 14:59 |
| pitti | didrocks: dang, it's vulnerable | 14:59 |
| pitti | $ ln -s pwned /tmp/unity_support_test.0 | 15:00 |
| pitti | $ /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test | 15:00 |
| pitti | $ ls /tmp/pwned | 15:00 |
| pitti | /tmp/pwned | 15:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll create a branch | 15:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks, can push it in next nux release | 15:00 |
| didrocks | pitti: I just fopen(resultfilename, "w+") and then fclose it | 15:00 |
| pitti | didrocks: right, you need to use the Unix open() with O_CREAT|O_EXCL | 15:01 |
| pitti | the latter is the important bit here, to atomically guard against symlink attacks | 15:01 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, not really good at security on this, will look at some documentation with your branch :) | 15:02 |
| didrocks | ok, basically, the idea is to fail is the file is already there? | 15:02 |
| pitti | didrocks: yes | 15:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: the attach scenario is that you can overwrite/kill any file which is owned by the user who calls support_test | 15:03 |
| seb128 | didrocks, how busy are you? feel free to grab some GNOME updates this week when you have a slot ;-) (hint, gnome-session for example) ;-) | 15:03 |
| pitti | i. e. lightdm or you | 15:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: you can e. g. point it to your keyring, or the lightdm configuration, etc. | 15:03 |
| pitti | didrocks: I'll create a branch/MP | 15:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh ok, so some kind of "nullify" attack | 15:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: but to detect if the file exists, I just test resultfile = fopen("/tmp/unity_support_test.0", "r"); (and fclose it if it's there, nothing to read and such). This has no security implication, isn't it? | 15:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: will do | 15:04 |
| seb128 | didrocks, thanks | 15:04 |
| didrocks | seb128: still some compiz churn, but will be ok afterwards, I hope | 15:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, no hurry, I doubt we will unfreeze before friday morning | 15:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but feel free to claim on the pad for later ;-) | 15:05 |
| didrocks | yeah, I'm afraid of that too, I'll try have some iso testing as well tomorrow morning | 15:06 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks, pitti: is there a possibility of someone malicious creating the file and breaking the GUI on a multiuser system? | 15:06 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: well, define "breaking" | 15:07 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: ie: saying the hardware supports 3d, when in fact it doesn't, so desktop sessions don't come up? | 15:08 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: the support test tool will say "go ahead", then unity needs to fallback if it can't load, which is a whishlist bug opened | 15:08 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm maybe blind but I don't see the unity_support_tool being run on your bootchart? | 15:09 |
| seb128 | <seb128> didrocks, doh, ok, my fault | 15:09 |
| seb128 | <seb128> didrocks, there is a gnome-fallback... on the chart, I though it was the fallback 3d session upstream thing | 15:09 |
| seb128 | <seb128> but it seems it's gnome-fallback-mount-helper from g-s-d | 15:09 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ^ | 15:09 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah saw that, but still, we should it running | 15:10 |
| mdeslaur | the file should be in a non-user writable location, and maybe the timestamp could be checked to see if it's stale or something | 15:10 |
| seb128 | oh | 15:10 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well in the session it's normal, if it just checks a file it's too short to register on the chart | 15:10 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: the file is created by the tool runned by the user though | 15:10 |
| didrocks | seb128: but that means that the initial check is fast as well? | 15:10 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: I thought you said the tool is run by unity-greeter? | 15:11 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: ok, so the tool *can* be run by the unity-greeter | 15:11 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: there are two cases: | 15:11 |
| didrocks | - no autologin and unity-greeter -> the tool is run there, while the user is typing his password, the detection is done and cache the info in /tmp | 15:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I don't really know, need to check, it seems weird indeed | 15:12 |
| didrocks | then, Xsession.d (under the new user) check if the file is there, and run the session | 15:12 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it shows on my laptop manual login chart: http://people.canonical.com/~seb128/seb-e6410-oneiric-20110920-9.png | 15:13 |
| didrocks | mdeslaur: if the user is using something else or autologin, the Xsession.d won't find the file and will run the tool then | 15:13 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, interesting | 15:13 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's running, the proc_ps.log has it | 15:15 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's like it was exiting immediatly | 15:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, maybe lightdm close and destroy the process directly in autologin | 15:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, I think lightdm does clean behind him | 15:16 |
| mdeslaur | didrocks: ok...hrm... | 15:16 |
| seb128 | didrocks, lightdm is too light, the helper doesn't have time to run ;-) | 15:17 |
| didrocks | seb128: hum, try logging in slower please :) | 15:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: oh, what you can do | 15:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's *auto*login :p | 15:18 |
| didrocks | seb128: reboot, start unity-greeter | 15:18 |
| didrocks | ah, you mean, in the autologin case, not the bootchart :) | 15:18 |
| seb128 | right | 15:18 |
| didrocks | so, in the autologin case, lightdm doesn't start it | 15:18 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it does | 15:18 |
| seb128 | it shows with one tick in the bootchart log | 15:19 |
| didrocks | seb128: unity-greeter is run? | 15:19 |
| seb128 | no | 15:19 |
| seb128 | it's autologin | 15:19 |
| didrocks | so, it's not lightdm | 15:19 |
| seb128 | no greeter | 15:19 |
| didrocks | well, it's lighdm in same way | 15:19 |
| didrocks | but not *the* lightdm :) | 15:19 |
| didrocks | it's run by /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50_check_unity_support | 15:19 |
| didrocks | so, it should do the full check and drop the file | 15:19 |
| seb128 | well it drops the file | 15:21 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it seems fast, it takes 0.1s (user time) (0.04s system time) to run on a session after flush caches | 15:23 |
| seb128 | ie echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches | 15:23 |
| seb128 | didrocks, so maybe it's fast enough to not be picked by the bootchart, the graphic filter out "noise" | 15:24 |
| pitti | open("/tmp/unity_support_test.0", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0666) = -1 EEXIST (File exists) | 15:24 |
| pitti | yep | 15:24 |
| didrocks | seb128: weird that it's slower when the greeter is there though | 15:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, it's not the same box, the greeter login is my laptop not the 10v | 15:28 |
| seb128 | could be that the intel probing is faster on the 10v | 15:29 |
| seb128 | quite some people have slow probing issue on modern intel hardware it seems | 15:29 |
| didrocks | seb128: ok, so it seems that the cache (for your laptop) is still useful as winning 0.5s maybe? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | didrocks, right | 15:30 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, when binding a GSettings key to a GtkAdjustment value that changes quick, is gsettings clever enough to just not write for every change? | 15:33 |
| pitti | didrocks, mdeslaur: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/nux/symlink-attack-fix/+merge/76434 | 15:34 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: looks ok, thanks | 15:39 |
| pitti | so, good night everyone! | 15:40 |
| didrocks | +1 as well then :) | 15:40 |
| rodrigo_ | bye pitti | 15:40 |
| mdeslaur | pitti: good night! | 15:40 |
| didrocks | pitti: merging, thanks a lot! good night | 15:40 |
| seb128 | Laney, rodrigo_: do you hand with tomboy upstream on IRC or something? could you ask if they have any plan to fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=657180 for 1.8? | 15:44 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 657180 in General "tomboy blocks shutdown" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:44 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: no. it's not. | 15:44 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, I am on #tomboy all day yes, but don't participate much | 15:45 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: it's a difficult problem to solve | 15:45 |
| rodrigo_ | but yes, sure, asking now | 15:45 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, thanks | 15:46 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, right, I'm seeing evolution has a gconf-bridge object that does the binding thing that gsettings does | 15:46 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, they use a timeout, which not sure it's the best way | 15:46 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: a good approach may be to introduce a flag at the binding API layer | 15:46 |
| desrt | RATE_LIMIT or so | 15:46 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah, like _DELAYED? | 15:47 |
| rodrigo_ | right | 15:47 |
| desrt | or maybe apply the rate limiting by default | 15:47 |
| desrt | and have a flag to turn it off | 15:47 |
| desrt | it seems like a problem that's unique to property bindings | 15:47 |
| desrt | and solving the problem at lower layers is substantially more complicated | 15:47 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: i welcome a bug | 15:47 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, I'll file one, yes | 15:47 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=659738 | 15:51 |
| ubot2 | Gnome bug 659738 in gsettings "Need a way to tell GSettings to delay writes for rapidly changing properties" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 15:51 |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, to be honest, I haven't seen any bug coming from that, so maybe it's not an issue as it was with GConf? | 15:51 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: it's a performance hit | 15:52 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 15:52 |
| desrt | particularly on ext4 with spinning disks | 15:52 |
| desrt | fsync() take a decade there | 15:52 |
| desrt | and dconf does fsync() on each write | 15:52 |
| desrt | (because it has to) | 15:52 |
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| desrt | so 100 changes -> 100 fsync() round trips. each takes like 40ms | 15:52 |
| desrt | even though it's async, your disk ends up active for a few seconds after you stop | 15:53 |
| desrt | that's bad | 15:53 |
| rodrigo_ | yeah | 15:53 |
| seb128 | tedg, hey | 15:53 |
| seb128 | tedg, can you make sure bug #854292 and bug #855557 are assigned and tracked for Oneiric? | 15:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 854292 in indicator-session "indicator-session disappear after running update-manager" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/854292 | 15:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 855557 in indicator-sound "indicator-sound-service interferes with gnome-settings-daemon" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855557 | 15:53 |
| desrt | seb128: so the mime database stuff in glib... | 15:53 |
| desrt | seb128: the latest version of the control center no longer uses this API, so it shouldn't be a problem (as i understand it) | 15:54 |
| seb128 | desrt, well as commented on the bug the user bug is still the same | 15:54 |
| seb128 | desrt, open the info capplet and see .local/share/applications/mimeinfo.list being created with random values | 15:54 |
| seb128 | desrt, halfline and alex confirmed it's behaving weird also for them on their fedora with 3.1.92 yesterday so it's not Debian,Ubuntu specific | 15:55 |
| seb128 | desrt, but the bug might be somewhere else... | 15:55 |
| desrt | seb128: odd. | 15:56 |
| desrt | seb128: i'll look again, in any case | 15:56 |
| seb128 | thanks | 15:56 |
| desrt | since lxde and xfce are impacted as well | 15:56 |
| seb128 | well, even for GNOME is seems a not-so-nice bug | 15:56 |
| seb128 | open the control center and get gwibber to open photos, gedit to open calendars and another web browser than the one you used ;-) | 15:56 |
| mvo | hm, is it just me or does anyone lese find it confusing that "Guest session" is written in the same text / color as ubuntu 11.10 and yet you can click on it but you can't click on ubuntu 11.10 | 15:59 |
| desrt | seb128: so i do as you say, and i get a file | 16:02 |
| desrt | but the contents of the file are pretty reasonable | 16:02 |
| desrt | jpegs open with eog, videos with totem, oggs with rhythmbox, etc. | 16:02 |
| seb128 | desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/693740/ | 16:05 |
| seb128 | that's the file I get | 16:06 |
| seb128 | desrt, well, it pick handlers for the said type, so if you have i.e only one email client, one web browser, etc you are likely to be ok | 16:06 |
| * desrt sort of wonders why merely opening the panel and doing nothing at all is enough to cause a file to be generated | 16:07 | |
| seb128 | yeah, that's a bug as well in my opinion, bastien seemed to disagree it's one though | 16:07 |
| desrt | reminds me that i have a patch to commit to g-c-c | 16:07 |
| seb128 | same, I don't see why it creates "added associations" | 16:07 |
| rodrigo_ | out for a bit, bbl | 16:18 |
| didrocks | have a good night everyone | 16:31 |
| skaet | rodrigo_, seb128 - what is the outlook on bug 832603? Am stumbling into it on a fresh update. | 17:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 832603 in gnome-settings-daemon "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_simple_async_result_complete()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/832603 | 17:00 |
| * skaet does fresh update from natty, and booting oneiric, this is first thing seen. | 17:01 | |
| seb128 | skaet, rodrigo seems to not be online, I don't personally know but I will check with him when he's there | 17:01 |
| skaet | seb128, thank you. Anything you think he might want gathered from the machine before I reboot? | 17:01 |
| seb128 | skaet, is g-s-d down, like no theme, etc or do you just get the apport prompt but things work normally? | 17:01 |
| seb128 | skaet, add your .xsession-errors to the bug if you can please | 17:01 |
| seb128 | skaet, oh and could you check the timestamp of the .crash and see if it correspond to the login? | 17:02 |
| seb128 | just to make sure it's not a segfault from the old version on logout before you restarted | 17:02 |
| skaet | g-s-d down, no theme. Its fresh install update from clean installed and updated natty. First boot triggered. | 17:03 |
| seb128 | ok, so please add the .xsession-errors that should be enough | 17:03 |
| skaet | seb128, will do. Thanks | 17:03 |
| seb128 | re | 17:42 |
| seb128 | ok, that was "interesting" | 17:42 |
| seb128 | g-s-d was not applied any icon theme, theme, etc | 17:43 |
| seb128 | turn out that "don"t run unity-greeter --test-mode" with your user :p it will desactivate all the g-s-d plugins which are not actived on the greeter | 17:43 |
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| micahg | seb128: can you please have someone look at bug 845374 | 18:41 |
| seb128 | micahg, will ping kenvandine tomorrow | 18:43 |
| seb128 | but it got only 3 duplicates in 2 weeks | 18:44 |
| seb128 | seems like a low priority bug, we get lot of bugs that get that in a day | 18:44 |
| dobey | hrmm | 18:46 |
| micahg | seb128: really? maybe people aren't using gwibber then, feel free to lower priority | 18:46 |
| dobey | when did GtkBox switch to not having children expanded by default with _add()? | 18:47 |
| seb128 | micahg, that bug says you don't need to use gwibber | 18:48 |
| seb128 | micahg, gwibber works fine there | 18:48 |
| seb128 | micahg, but anyway, I will get kenvandine to look at it | 18:48 |
| * micahg must be subscribe to weird people with long links then... | 18:49 | |
| seb128 | micahg, do you use ecryptfs? | 18:49 |
| micahg | seb128: yes | 18:50 |
| seb128 | micahg, well maybe it's due ecryptfs filenames limitation | 18:50 |
| seb128 | users tend to not run ecryptfs ;-) | 18:50 |
| micahg | seb128: orly, maybe I should have our ecryptfs guy take a look (tyhicks) | 18:50 |
| seb128 | well it's still a bug, but it wouldn't be the first thing to be hit by it | 18:50 |
| seb128 | evolution has issues due to it as well | 18:51 |
| seb128 | the limitation is due to some patents iirc, so not something ecryptfs will fix | 18:51 |
| kirkland | seb128: that's not quite true | 18:51 |
| kirkland | seb128: actually for 12.04, tyhicks and jjohansen are support to fix this | 18:51 |
| seb128 | ok, I should better not speak about what I don't know :p | 18:51 |
| mdeslaur | the filename in the bug isn't long enough to be a ecryptfs issue | 18:51 |
| kirkland | seb128: jjohansen had a functional, though non-perfect solution | 18:51 |
| seb128 | kirkland, sorry, I though somebody told me that a year ago | 18:52 |
| kirkland | seb128: there was a slight concern about that, but we cleared it | 18:52 |
| seb128 | great to read ;-) | 18:52 |
| seb128 | mdeslaur, oh ok | 18:52 |
| kirkland | seb128: :-) | 18:52 |
| seb128 | well as said, I will ask kenvandine to have a look when he's back tomorrow | 18:52 |
| micahg | seb128: thanks | 18:52 |
| seb128 | it might just be a good old standard gwibber bug ;-) | 18:52 |
| cyphermox | brb | 19:09 |
| desrt | tedg: hey | 20:33 |
| tedg | desrt, Howdy | 20:33 |
| desrt | tedg: did you want to come to montreal? | 20:33 |
| tedg | desrt, I have passed a request up the chain, but I haven't gotten a response. Need to ping. | 20:34 |
| desrt | tedg: i think olli mentioned that it might be useful for you to be there | 20:34 |
| tedg | desrt, Yeah, and I had sent him justification. But, I never got back a yes/no from him. He's not online now. | 20:35 |
| desrt | tedg: he asked me if i thought it would be worthwhile. i said yes.... so here's hoping =) | 20:35 |
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| cyphermox | desrt: btw, thanks for the invite (got it from jason), I'll definitely be there | 21:15 |
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| jbicha | cyphermox: what do you think of the proposed fix for bug 852961 ? | 21:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 852961 in network-manager-applet "nm-applet is wrongly started with Gnome Shell" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/852961 | 21:19 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: what should it be set to? | 21:21 |
| cyphermox | jbicha: hmm.. maybe that's not such a bad idea, I can start to fix one of mpt's bug reports with this | 21:25 |
| cyphermox | bbl, dinner | 21:41 |
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| desrt | cyphermox: nice :) | 22:43 |
| desrt | cyphermox: be sure to add yourself to the wiki! | 22:43 |
| desrt | cyphermox: (and ask the others) https://live.gnome.org/Montreal2011/Participants | 22:44 |
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