[01:16] <akgraner> shouldn't we remove this line - Something related to Warty Warthog development cycle.
[01:20] <IdleOne> Does seem a little late to thank people for warty
[01:20] <IdleOne> but hey better late then never :)
[01:22] <Cheesehead> I think he's looking for an appropriate anniversary of the first cycle (Warty)
[01:23] <IdleOne> oh, that makes sense
[01:24] <valorie> heh
[01:26] <Cheesehead> I'm not easily finding the old Warty release calendar to look for such an anniverary, thought
[01:27] <Cheesehead> though...
[01:27]  * Cheesehead is working in the dim while kids next room go to sleep
[01:27] <valorie> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2004-September/000000.html
[01:27] <valorie> might give a clue
[01:30] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[01:30] <charlie-tca> has a date
[01:30] <charlie-tca> (at least a release date)
[01:31] <Cheesehead> I will nominate Sept 17 if some other event has not claimed it. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2004-September/000012.html
[01:31] <Cheesehead> First "Thank you" I can find in the mailing list archive
[01:31] <charlie-tca> I do remember 5.04 coming out, but 4.10 was before my time
[01:32] <Cheesehead> Me too
[01:36] <Cheesehead> There. Added the date nomination to the wiki page.
[01:37] <IdleOne> so we are going to wait a year for this day?
[01:38] <IdleOne> Ubuntu 4.10 (Warty Warthog), released on 20 October 2004
[01:38] <IdleOne> according to wikipedia
[01:40] <akgraner> I updated the appreciation day wiki
[01:40] <Cheesehead> I recommend against events in October or April.
[01:40] <akgraner> +1 on that
[01:41] <akgraner> but these are things we need to discuss at the meeting
[01:41] <akgraner> so we don't decide in a vacuum
[01:41] <akgraner> and get accused of not including everyone
[01:41] <akgraner> or not deciding in a public forum
[01:41] <akgraner> make sense...
[01:42] <charlie-tca> sounds right
[01:42] <IdleOne> yup
[01:42] <Cheesehead> Agreed
[01:42] <IdleOne> IMHO everyday should be Ubuntu Community appreciation day :)
[01:43] <akgraner> :-) I do thank someone daily
[01:43] <IdleOne> With that, Thank you all :)
[01:43] <akgraner> but I think a day where we really focus on it will be a good thing
[01:43] <IdleOne> absolutely
[01:43] <akgraner> like ada lovelace day
[01:44] <akgraner> take a look at that and see if we can modify anything from there to add to this day
[01:44] <akgraner> we don't want to copy that day
[01:44] <akgraner> as we have that already
[01:44] <akgraner> but it's a good way to get some inspiration
[01:45] <akgraner> I think we can just pick a cycle to start
[01:45] <akgraner> and tell people to thank people for any contribution they have made
[01:45] <IdleOne> how about mid point of releases?
[01:45] <akgraner> I think once a year would be best but that's just me
[01:45] <Cheesehead> Most Ubuntu events are semiannual
[01:46] <IdleOne> Jan 15
[01:46] <akgraner> I know and it gets hard
[01:46] <akgraner> to maintain
[01:46] <akgraner> and as we add more and more Ubuntu Weeks/Days each cycle
[01:46] <akgraner> people will begin to say - *Another* Ubuntu Day
[01:46] <akgraner> and we don't want that
[01:47] <akgraner> we want this to be something people look forward not dread working into their schedules
[01:47] <akgraner> while they make agree it's good
[01:47] <akgraner> fitting it in twice a year can get overwhelming after a while
[01:47] <Cheesehead> Perhaps a different focus than everybody-thanks-everybody?
[01:47] <akgraner> especially for those who participate in other appreciation focused days
[01:48] <Cheesehead> Perhaps team leaders thank their participants - try to single out the greatest contributions of each?
[01:48] <akgraner> I love the idea of an annual Ubuntu Contribution Appreciation Day
[01:48] <Cheesehead> More of a leader event, or leader-training event
[01:48] <akgraner> you don't want to say greatest
[01:49] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Agreed
[01:49] <akgraner> that makes other people feel like their contribution is important
[01:49] <akgraner> you just want to say thank you
[01:49] <akgraner> and everyone finds different reasons for thanking people
[01:49] <akgraner> and I think that's good
[01:50] <akgraner> and shows the diversity of contribution and the impact of those contribution
[01:50] <akgraner> we need inclusion
[01:50] <akgraner> and gratitude can include everyone
[01:51] <Cheesehead> Well, that takes us to asking: What is the goal of the event?
[01:51] <Cheesehead> (Ah, Philosophy is fun!)
[01:51] <akgraner> I am sure not every contributor will get thanked personally but we can ask Jane or Mark to do a thank you statement that covers the whole of the community
[01:52] <akgraner> the goal - to show people that they are appreciated and noticed
[01:52] <akgraner> and that *every* contribution counts
[01:52] <akgraner> can't get much easier or simpler than that
[01:52] <akgraner> Seriously look at Ada Lovelace day....
[01:53] <akgraner> on that note  - I must find my pillow :-)  5am comes early and I have PT in the morning
[01:53] <akgraner> Thanks for the discussion - I love it....
[01:53] <akgraner> catch you all laters....
[01:54] <Cheesehead> Good night
[02:27] <valorie> What is the goal of the event? Happy happy joy joy!
[02:42]  * bkerensa is uploading a half hour HD video from PuppetConf
[02:42] <bkerensa> :D
[07:49] <NRWlion> morning
[07:59] <NRWlion> akgraner: are you there?
[11:48] <akgraner> NRWlion, morning
[11:51] <akgraner> be back in about an hour - PT but I'll ping you when I return
[15:41] <akgraner> back
[15:51] <akgraner> All the edits for appreciation day are great
[15:52] <akgraner> I would caution using Sept 17 as a lot of people will be gearing up for Software freedom days
[15:56] <YoBoY> september is already full of ubuntu weeks
[16:01] <akgraner> I'll get all that together and add it to the meeting agenda once I close the poll and announce the date
[16:01] <akgraner> only 8 people have voted so far...I just set out a reminder
[16:03] <YoBoY> ha yes... the poll ^^"
[16:08] <pleia2> all the options are either the middle of the night or during my work day, so it doesn't matter a whole lot, I'll do my best to be there but there are no guarantees
[16:08] <pleia2> (ah california)
[16:39]  * Cheesehead just received an e-mail encouraging him to vote in the poll
[16:46] <ashams> akgraner: Hi, do we have some rules/procedures for ppl want to write in "LoCo Leadership Training Handbook" ?
[16:47] <akgraner> just use a different color font
[16:47] <akgraner> we'll wordsmith it and I'll spend time this weekend formating it etc
[16:48] <akgraner> pleia2, I went through the -meeting schedule for that week and listed the time other meetings weren't happening
[16:49] <pleia2> not complaining, just explaining why I'm not bothering with the poll (not ignoring it!)
[16:49] <ashams> so, if i wish to write in some part, what should i do?
[16:49] <akgraner> Cheesehead, I sent out a reminder and LP doesn't let you pick and choose who from the team to send emails to it's all or nothing  or you get locked out for 24 hours
[16:50] <akgraner> ashams, just write it and use like a blue or green color font
[16:50] <akgraner> pleia2, I didn't think you were - just wanted you to know how I came up with those time :-)
[16:50] <ashams> sounds good so far, thanks
[16:50] <akgraner> I'm trying to be more open with my communications
[16:50] <akgraner> and rationale behind things etc
[16:51] <akgraner> ( pleia2 you taught me that - :-D)
[16:51] <pleia2> :)
[16:51] <akgraner> ashams, once I get it all formated I'll come up with some guidelines until we can get it into bzr and stuff
[16:52] <akgraner> until them just add away
[16:52] <ashams> akgraner: yes, bzr will help a lot
[16:54] <akgraner> yep - I don't know how to do that part but I told Darkwing1uck I'd get it formatted and he said he would get it into bzr
[16:54] <akgraner> but any of you who know how to do that please pitch in and help him after the weekend
[17:07] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Not complaining about the poll e-mail. Just letting you know somebody received it. It didn't vanish into /dev/null like important e-mails sometimes do...
[17:08] <akgraner> hehe  - I think my hubby sends all my emails to him to  dev/null
[17:08] <akgraner> he swears I don't know what you are talking about
[17:09] <akgraner> hey gotta run for a few   - bbiab
[17:09] <akgraner> :-)
[17:09] <akgraner> away
[18:57] <Cheesehead> Added to chapter 6 - communications
[19:00] <Cheesehead> Reminder: Please take a look at the breakdown list of indivivdual skills, and add to it. Duplicates welcome. https://docs.google.com/document/d/13VOmTgEqCzIW8oITV2d5fIRD3xsiKRVMd39OUlpx6xQ/edit?hl=en_US
[19:59] <ashams> valorie: Thanx for enhancing UCADay page :)
[20:15] <bkerensa> Indeed
[20:49] <head_victim> akgraner: sorry for not voting in the poll but I'm a shiftworker so my roster sometimes changes. I'm just waiting to see when it is and when my roster lines up and fingers crossed it all ends up well :)
[20:50] <akgraner> head_victim, no worries - we'll have logs and minutes available for those who can't make it
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Sorry, my time seems very limited these days trying to get oneiric stuff done.
[20:52] <akgraner> charlie-tca, no worries - :-) feedback is just as important
[20:53] <akgraner> you have a lot on your plate :-) so take care of those commitments then just help when and where you can - we understand
[20:54] <akgraner> charlie-tca, no need to apologize you do a lot and just being willing to help and be part of the team is awesome in my book
[20:54] <head_victim> charlie-tca: Too busy leading hey ;)
[20:54] <akgraner> that's why we are a team - we have each others back and when necessary we'll carry one another...:-)
[20:55] <akgraner> charlie-tca, I need to test the new UF PPA
[20:55] <akgraner> it's on my list
[20:55] <charlie-tca> me too
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I have to hold an election too, next month for a new Xubuntu Lead
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Also having issues with a a11y ppa for vinux
[20:58] <akgraner> whoa that's a lot :-)
[20:58] <akgraner> but I am sure you're kicking butt and taking names
[20:59] <charlie-tca> Just keep working on it... :)
[21:01] <akgraner> charlie-tca, will you be at UDS this time
[21:02] <charlie-tca> yes, I will be there
[21:02] <charlie-tca> I got lucky in the draw again
[21:06] <akgraner> awesome can't wait to see you there
[21:08] <charlie-tca> Yeah, looking forward to it. It really is awesome to be able to attend!
[21:08] <akgraner> that it is
[21:43] <DarkwingDuck> Hey everyone. I'm out of a computer till next week.
[22:39] <akgraner> DarkwingDuck, :-( ok
[22:39] <akgraner> we'll hold the fort down - but you have my number right
[22:57] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: er, will you still be able to make your User Days session on Saturday?
[22:57] <pleia2> maco filled in last time for you, I don't have an emergency fill-in this time :\
[22:57] <pleia2> so I need to know soon