[03:00] <shauno> heh, classic.  Just got an email from one of my vps providers, telling me my host has gone over it's bandwidth allowance.
[03:00] <shauno> which sounded wrong because it's just a failover MX.  it sees very little traffic at all
[03:00] <shauno> their web portal says it's at "41.8 TB of 500 GB Used / -44409274698 KB Free".  I call shenanigans.
[03:03] <Azelphur> haha
[07:53] <PalaPad> wb everyone ;)
[07:53]  * dogmatic69 survived 
[08:01] <dogmatic69> every time i create a vm virtual box dies creating the space for a fixed drive :/
[08:02] <PalaPad> Bad blocks on the drive maybe?
[08:02] <PalaPad> Oooo am at barking already only a few stops to go
[08:09] <dogmatic69> Paladine: its a newish drive, how can i check?
[08:09] <dogmatic69> been at 0% for 15 minutes now
[08:10] <PalaPad> Run e2fsck or something
[08:14] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps!
[08:14] <dogmatic69> o/
[08:17] <PalaPad> Nearly at fenchrurch
[08:17] <dogmatic69> you cant do a disk check on a disk that is mounted?
[08:17] <dogmatic69> my pc has one HDD only
[08:23] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: tell it to force a check on next boot
[08:25] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: i reboot when the power trips :/
[08:30] <JamesTait> Morning all!
[08:31] <dogmatic69> tired virtual machine manager and it created the 8gig drive in < 1 second
[08:31] <dogmatic69> virtual box ftl
[08:36] <dogmatic69> unity 2D crashes on my vm
[08:46] <jpds> shauno: Looks like 'apt-get install vnstat' time.
[08:49] <Daviey> wow, Radio 4 is a little colourful today.
[08:52] <popey> Morning all!
[08:56] <bigcalm> Hola
[08:56] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <gord> Konnichiwa
[09:05] <popey> YES!
[09:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: Yes?
[09:06] <bigcalm> TSB
[09:06] <popey> Yes.
[09:06]  * czajkowski pokes gord 
[09:06] <czajkowski> I need someone to replace my lack of davmor2 and MooDoo
[09:07] <AlanBell> こん一羽？
[09:07] <gord> oh, i'm no replacement for them, far to nice
[09:08] <diplo> Morning all
[09:08] <bigcalm> They are far too nice?
[09:08] <popey> O_O
[09:09] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[09:10] <czajkowski> gord: true
[09:10] <czajkowski> gord: who else do you suggest
[09:11] <gord> czajkowski, i do not trust this Daviey fellow
[09:11] <czajkowski> gord: ya know you make a truely valid point, however I need to be nice to Daviey he has a package for me I need from him in the coming weeks.
[09:16] <ProfPourEtudiant> hi
[09:16] <AlanBell> hi
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: then I cant pick on AlanBell as he is the leader
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: cant pick on popey as he knows all
[09:17] <czajkowski> gord: so it has to be you till Davmor2 comes in
[09:17] <czajkowski> otherwise I'll scare others if I pick on them
[09:17] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:17] <bigcalm> Poor gord
[09:17]  * AlanBell has immunity \o/
[09:17] <czajkowski> <--------- my logic works wonders
[09:17]  * bigcalm eyes czajkowski 
[09:18] <bigcalm> AlanBell: read that as James Bond villain saying "Diplomatic immunity"
[09:20] <AlanBell> bigcalm: that was exactly how I said it :)
[09:20] <bigcalm> Nice one :D
[09:20] <AlanBell> actually Die Hard I think, the SA chap
[09:20] <bigcalm> Oh sod, yes
[09:20] <bigcalm> I feel silly now
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks bigcalm
[09:23] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: no patches?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's fine.
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good show :)
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> It will probably be moving home in the next couple of months so will have to go down :-(
[09:25] <bigcalm> If you had it on a UPS you could move it bit by bit towards its new home
[09:28] <harry_> hey , anyone here who can tell me how to keep window always on top in linux using script??
[09:29]  * bigcalm wants to make a joke about Windows and market share, but shall refrain
[09:30] <bigcalm> Sorry, I don't know :)
[09:31] <harry_> okay thanks..
[09:35] <oimon> anyone see that blog post on planet about UEFI secure boot?
[09:36] <bigcalm> Seen links to it all over twitter and G+. Not got around to reading it
[09:37] <oimon> could stop you installing your own OS
[09:37] <bigcalm> Yes, so I hear
[09:39] <AlanBell> it looks nasty to me
[09:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wouldn't worry - it will almost certainly be hacked and broken before it's even released.
[09:40] <bigcalm> Would it be a case for the monopolies commission?
[09:40] <AlanBell> it will end up like region coded DVD players, you will have to send your laptop off somewhere to be chipped before it will boot linux
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> "Windows" and "security" crop up a great deal in the same articles. I'll just say: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/116441785110233088
[09:44] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: is that an internet facing server?
[09:44]  * bigcalm steps back
[09:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: No.
[09:45] <oimon> ok..otherwise i would have asked for IP address ;)
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> I wouldn't tell you anyway :P
[09:45] <AlanBell> 10.0.0.1 I think :)
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> nah,
[09:45] <oimon> i've had servers go over 1000 days before
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> 2
[09:46] <AlanBell> 64 bytes from 10.0.0.2: icmp_req=1 ttl=62 time=45.8 ms
[09:46]  * oimon thinks of privilege escalation bugs in the kernel over the last 571 days
[09:46] <oimon> unless you have ksplice of course
[09:48] <TheOpenSourcerer> bah - of course. it is accessible via AlanBell's network... Hmm, better do an nmap sweep of his house.
[09:48] <AlanBell> yikes!
[09:50] <bigcalm> Something is changing € into ¤ in emails I'm sending via PHP, but I can't work out what.
[09:55] <pancro> bigcalm: looks like your encoding may be wrong, maybe you're sending our ISO-8859-1 encoding headers instead of ISO-8859-15 (where ¤ is replaced by €), better off using UTF-8 anyway
[09:55] <pancro> s/sending our/sending out/
[09:56] <ikonia> other than Scan and Ebuyer what's a reasonable online UK etailer that people trust ?
[09:56] <bigcalm> pancro: it's using UTF-8
[09:57] <bigcalm> ikonia: dabs.co.uk
[09:57] <bigcalm> Or .com, I forget
[09:57] <ikonia> ahh, I forgot dabs
[09:57] <ikonia> I thought they had gone under for some reason
[09:57] <bigcalm> BT bought them
[09:57] <ikonia> totally forgot about them
[09:57] <ikonia> thank you
[09:57] <bigcalm> Amazon are good for bits as well
[09:58] <ikonia> I was pondering that, but they are mostly "market place" stores that I've had bad experiences with market store on amazon
[09:58] <ikonia> if it doesn't come from amazon it's self I'm cautious now
[09:58] <pancro> bigcalm: just wondering because of the fact that ¤ was replaced by € in newer 8-bit codepages... just wondering if it's UTF-8 through and thourgh or if there's a link in the chain still working with 8 bit characters. do other UTF-8 characters show up ok?
[09:58] <bigcalm> I've only had one semi-bad experience with a market place seller. YMMV
[09:59] <ikonia> I've had some good ones too, but the risks and issues dealing with the bad ones put me of
[09:59] <ikonia> off
[09:59] <bigcalm> Fair enough
[10:00] <ikonia> who are the reputable SSD brands at the moment, I'm assuming OCZ are still a core player
[10:00] <ikonia> my hard disk just died so I'm tryin to get a replacment, and scan have have SSD's on "pre order" for about 3 months,
[10:02] <bigcalm> ikonia: I have an OCZ and would buy again (if I had the money)
[10:02] <davmor2> morning all
[10:03] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2. You need to apologise to gord for your late arrival
[10:03] <oimon> ikonia: insight
[10:03] <ikonia> oimon: that's a name I've not heard before
[10:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: why this is the time I arrive :P
[10:04] <davmor2> gord: ^ what's he on?
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice. AlanBell 's house is only exposing two entry points.
[10:05] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: front door and back door ;)
[10:07] <davmor2> bigcalm: what you on about dude?
[10:09] <bigcalm> davmor2: czajkowski needed somebody to pick on and you weren't here
[10:10] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod, don't annoy gord, you'll upset him you big bully :P
[10:11]  * davmor2 passes gord a cup of tea there you go chap calm down and have a brew
[10:15] <togster> Morning all
[10:20]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 well get your arse on earlier then 
[10:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: let me tell you about my fun week shall I
[10:21] <davmor2> czajkowski: No you need to let it stew and boil over for when I get on
[10:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: I lack patience how do you not know this by now
[10:22] <davmor2> czajkowski: I do know it but I figure it would annoy you all the more :P
[10:45] <oimon> http://primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_universe/
[10:46] <oimon> ^^ cool way to spend 3 minutes
[10:54] <j0nr> anyone know how to strip all UserTextFrames out of mp3 files using eyeD3?
[10:56]  * czajkowski hands davmor2 a cuppa tea 
[10:59]  * davmor2 looks at czajkowski blankly tea............you gave me tea.............and you think I don't know you :P
[11:00]  * czajkowski gives davmor2 a digestive bickie to dunk 
[11:00] <czajkowski> now shrup ya pup
[11:02]  * davmor2 goes down stairs pours away the tea and makes a coffee to dunk the bickie in
[11:02] <bigcalm> Anybody know who KiltedUberGeek is on twitter?
[11:03] <czajkowski> davmor2: don't say I was never nice
[11:03] <czajkowski> you all saw that he poured the tea I made for him
[11:04] <davmor2> czajkowski: I don't drink tea you should know that by now :P
[11:04] <czajkowski> pff drink tea all english men do
[11:05] <bigcalm> And some Irish ladies
[11:06] <czajkowski> me I love my tea
[11:06] <czajkowski> need _tea to function
[11:21] <dogmatic69> how can i force kill some process? got a VBox something or an other running at 98% and making my cpu +- 95'C
[11:21] <dogmatic69> cant do it from htop with sigkill etc
[11:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo kill -9 pid
[11:21] <dogmatic69> tried killall
[11:22] <dogmatic69> says no pid found, but htop says its pid 677
[11:22] <bigcalm> I </3 VM :(
[11:22] <dogmatic69> ye...
[11:22] <popey> uhoh
[11:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> ps aux | grep something relevant should give you the right pid
[11:23] <dogmatic69> 1000       439 97.3  0.0      0     0 ?        Zl   08:56 200:40 [VBoxSVC] <defunct>
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> so it's 439 then
[11:24] <dogmatic69> sudo killall -9 439
[11:24] <dogmatic69> 439: no process found
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> How come your uid isn't your username?
[11:24] <popey> uhm
[11:24] <AlanBell> killall does process name
[11:24] <popey> dont do killall pid
[11:24] <popey> do kill -9 pid
[11:24] <AlanBell> kill does process number
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> sudo kill -9 pid
[11:24] <popey> or killall name
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> not killall
[11:25] <popey> or sudo service vboxsvc stop
[11:25] <dogmatic69> killall name does nothing, kill -9 pid has no error, still running
[11:25] <gord> guys its restarting
[11:25] <gord> you can't kill it because the process already died and restarted
[11:25] <gord> thus it got a new pid
[11:26] <gord> you need to kill whatever is restarting it
[11:26] <dogmatic69> popey to the rescue \o/
[11:26] <popey> :D
[11:26] <dogmatic69> oh no
[11:26] <dogmatic69> its going...
[11:26] <dogmatic69> in htop the pid is always 677
[11:27] <dogmatic69> the pxu grep still says 439
[11:27] <oimon> dogmatic69:  ps -ef | pastebinit
[11:27] <popey> ps aux | pastebinit
[11:27] <popey> :D
[11:27] <oimon> aux sux dude
[11:27] <dogmatic69> http://pastebin.com/n0Sg3yr7
[11:28] <oimon> ps -ef give you the parent pid too
[11:29] <bigcalm> !ping
[11:29] <dogmatic69> TheOpenSourcerer: in htop it shows my username, not 1000
[11:29] <oimon> i bet your username is > 8 characters
[11:30] <dogmatic69> dogmatic69
[11:30] <dogmatic69> :)
[11:30] <oimon> yeah, that's a feature of ps
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap but then you should love guinness too and do you?
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> oimon: "feature"
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> oimon: it's documented, but hard to find
[11:32] <czajkowski> davmor2: eh no
[11:32] <davmor2> czajkowski: so you're not really Irish then :P
[11:33] <czajkowski> nope half
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: only the accent? :)
[11:34] <czajkowski> yes my accent does make me rather unique in work here
[11:34] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was thinking more only the attitude :D
[11:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: I kick your ass
[11:34] <davmor2> see
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: I'll just imagine a badly dubbed Japanese film
[11:35] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: oi
[11:35] <czajkowski> fecker
[11:36] <davmor2> czajkowski: swearing in Irish is still swearing madame
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: you know the kind I mean then? :)
[11:36] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: coming for drinks tomorrow ?
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: no, I'm on the wrong side of the North Sea
[11:39] <dogmatic69> :/
[11:39] <dogmatic69> still running, tried apt-get remove
[11:40] <dogmatic69> just says its still running, stop it first :S
[11:42] <oimon> dogmatic69: apt-get remove won't kill the process in memory. what does lsof -p 439 show
[11:42] <dogmatic69> nothing
[11:42] <oimon> i'm surprised kill -9 439 isn't slapping it
[11:43] <czajkowski> ~/win 23
[11:44] <czajkowski> hmm not impresssed with the new two and a half men :/
[11:46] <AlanBell> not satisfied with just one?
[11:47] <dogmatic69> oimon: is there like a -vv option?
[11:52] <czajkowski> oh yes I'll be talking at a UK flossie event
[11:52] <czajkowski> on Ubuntu and Ubuntu Women this year
[12:04] <czajkowski> time to be on my best behaviour BBC are here to record
[12:04] <czajkowski> and I'm on a massive MAC :/
[12:07] <dogmatic69> i broke down and rebooted the pc
[12:09] <selinuxium> Hi all    o/
[12:10] <oimon> i wonder how much apple pay the BBC to feature their logo on screen every 60 seconds during an episode of spooks?
[12:15] <czajkowski> and worse they need to use my HTC phone
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> oimon: is that even allowed? Ads in BBC programs?
[12:18] <oimon> it is constant
[12:18] <gord> i wonder how much they paid czajkowski to use a mac whilst filming!
[12:18] <gord> i smell corruption
[12:18] <czajkowski> gord: look a new dell has been bought
[12:18] <czajkowski> I've been asking where to put it
[12:18] <czajkowski> hence me getting live cd off AlanBell tomorrow
[12:19] <gord> i don't mind ;) macs are great too
[12:21] <oimon> spooks already got a soft telling-off in 2005 but it is worse than ever
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> Apple must pay more than the fine ;)
[12:23] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Well done in the rugger!  :)
[12:24] <czajkowski> selinuxium: why thank you
[12:24] <oimon> product placement rules are very weak
[12:24] <czajkowski> selinuxium: coming for beers tomorrow
[12:26] <selinuxium> czajkowski, sadly I am still working from home until next week... Leg is getting much better though...
[12:26] <czajkowski> great to hear it
[12:27] <selinuxium> Don't think my American football career will be back on though... :)
[12:28] <czajkowski> awww *hugs* selinuxium
[12:29] <oimon> i've complained to ofcom about spooks
[12:32] <czajkowski> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14858056 it's over this
[12:32] <JGJones> Maybe this is old news by now but was just told briefly that devices coming with Windows 8 would have a means to prevent any form of dual booting with other type of OS such as linux?
[12:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> JGJones have a look back up there ^^^
[12:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> (10:35:42) oimon: anyone see that blog post on planet about UEFI secure boot?
[12:35] <oimon> yep
[12:36] <oimon> http://slashdot.org/submission/1794130/How-MS-may-stop-you-from-installing-your-own-OS
[12:37] <oimon> deserves front page prominence
[12:37] <JGJones> The good old days of DVD player's that you get chipped is back!
[12:39]  * popey pokes Seeker` with the top of http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[12:40] <JGJones> Ah well...if they try that with Windows 8 server, it won't be very successful, as windows doesn't have as large a dominance on servers compared to desktops
[12:40] <oimon> it's very likely we could see locked down hardware similar to locked down mobiles
[12:42] <JGJones> oimon - possibly, but now HTC and Samsung have changed their tune and allowing for bootloaders to be unlocked on their newest devices etc.
[12:43] <oimon> JGJones but what if this is driven by MS who have history of trying to enforce their desktop monopoly through OEMs?
[12:43] <gord> good luck selling machines in china if you need real versions of windows on them
[12:44] <JGJones> oimon, it's possible they could drive this for desktops, but what about servers? Linux does have a healthy share there and OEM will not want to lose sales on that
[12:44] <JGJones> as for mobiles - good luck to them, MS have a tiny % (around 2% perhaps)
[12:44] <oimon> it's easier to buy servers without MS preinstalled
[12:45] <oimon> so MS don't really have that strangehold - server vendors would include a bios option to turn off secure boot
[12:46] <oimon> i doubt you will get the same opotion on your laptop
[12:46] <Seeker`> popey: YOU RAT!
[12:46] <JGJones> aye...the desktops is the tricky area...but I'm hoping that EU might not allow it to happen
[12:47] <JGJones> ie machines must allow the option to turn off otherwise it's potentially an abuse for monopoly?
[12:47] <czajkowski> /win/win 1
[12:47] <czajkowski> grrrrrr
[12:47] <czajkowski> hate this ***** keyboard
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I think the word you're looking for is "poo"
[12:49] <Seeker`> popey: I'm gonna have to buy a better cpu now :(
[12:49] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: insert word as apropiate
[12:49] <czajkowski> :)
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: oh you mean "lovely"?
[12:50] <czajkowski> it's the mac and it's tiny wee keyboard
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> So my first guess was close.. "poo", "wee" ....
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> *back to work*
[12:54] <popey> Seeker`: surprised yours at 4GHz is not as fast as a 3.4GHz one
[12:55] <gord> i want 4ghz :(
[12:56] <Seeker`> popey: depends on the integer maths stuff  I guess. If they shaved 1 clock off the time it takes to get an integer result back...
[12:56] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: we need a faster server
[12:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> huh?
[12:56] <AlanBell> http://www.hantslug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark
[12:57] <AlanBell> bit surprised the 980ex isn't top
[12:57] <AlanBell> I guess it has more cores, but isn't quite as screaming fast
[12:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> When did you run that?
[12:58] <AlanBell> when we were commissioning it
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah OK - so no load to speak of
[12:58] <popey> my desktop was idle too
[12:58] <popey> other than ubuntu desktop running
[12:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was just doing some time trials using netcat between servers
[12:58] <popey> and 'watch -d "grep MHz /proc/cpuinfo"'
[12:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> nc is approx 33% faster than scp.
[12:59] <popey> saw most cores at 1600MHz, one at 3400MHz
[12:59] <popey> I thought it was supposed to turbo up to 3.8GHz
[12:59] <popey> I AM DISSAPOINT
[13:00] <JGJones> why can't OEM's implement an unique OS UEFI startup? To work on it, all OS must have their source opened up? #wishfulthinking #damnitjoethisisn'ttwitter
[13:00] <AlanBell> one thing I found odd was that sometimes it was faster running in a VM guest than running in the host
[13:00]  * oimon squeezed into the top 10
[13:00] <Seeker`> I was top for quite a long time
[13:01]  * gord starts looking on amazon for liquid nitrogen cooling
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> real	0m6.268s My desktop
[13:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> My home server real	1m0.566s ;-)
[13:04] <popey> hehe
[13:04] <popey> I'd love to find something slower than the one at the bottom of the list
[13:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a *downclocked* VIA C7
[13:06] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: run it on your nanode ;-)
[13:14]  * BigRedS swears at innodb a lot
[13:14] <gord> my phone thinks i am somewhere in the mid atlantic atm, its clock is sooo broken
[13:15] <popey> haha TheOpenSourcerer
[13:15] <AlanBell> should get a raspberry pi on the list
[13:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: the flossie people are having me speak at their 2 day conf  in May
[13:16] <czajkowski> cheer for the intor to Paula
[13:16] <AlanBell> I know :)
[13:16] <czajkowski> *intro
[13:18] <AlanBell> it might be in Queen Mary University London
[13:20] <czajkowski> I'm sure I'll find it by then
[13:20] <czajkowski> got the link to the even if spo can you pm it to me
[13:20] <czajkowski> I got it yesterday
[13:25] <popey> its odd that there's almost no AMD CPUs on the benchmark paid
[13:25] <popey> *page
[13:26] <oimon> maybe people only bother to update when they are in the top 10
[13:27] <oimon> the non top ten entries being previous high rankers
[13:27] <oimon> or novelty entries
[13:27] <popey> i have put loads in there
[13:27] <oimon> AlanBell: what's happening maybe at queen mary?
[13:27] <popey> not just when at top
[13:28] <oimon> popey you're a bit special though
[13:28] <popey> thanks! :D
[13:55] <selinuxium> Been playing with Minus... 10GB free online storage and you get an extra gig by inviting others... :) http://min.us/rKuVgho    (well, you have to try...)
[13:59] <popey> a) is it cross platform?
[13:59] <popey> b) does it work behind proxies?
[14:09] <andylockran> what alternative cli print commands are there to lp ?
[14:09] <andylockran> i.e. - what does cups use to send the test page to the printer?
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: it just opens a pipe to itself I guess
[14:18] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: /var/run/cups/cups.sock looks useful for that? maybe?
[14:20] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: I've got to get an old jaunty server printing to a Zebra
[14:20] <MartijnVdS> cupsPrintFiles() in libcups
[14:20] <andylockran> had to create a custom ppd and it works fine on lucid and natty
[14:21] <andylockran> lp is printing blanks
[14:21] <andylockran> well, when asked to print a pdf
[14:21] <andylockran> whereas the test page is printed fine
[14:21] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: test page could be plain .ps
[14:44] <andylockran> wahey!
[14:44] <andylockran> thanks MartijnVdS that's sorted it :p
[14:50] <oimon> i'm not sure if minus.com actually keep your data private
[14:58] <andylockran> MartijnVdS: awesome - thanks for your help :)
[15:08] <selinuxium> popey, it is multi-platform. Unsure about proxy as I haven't tried..
[15:25] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:26] <brobostigon> is it possible to put a foursquare widget on my website? by some method?
[15:28] <s-fox> brobostigon,  http://aboutfoursquare.com/highlight-your-foursquare-venue-on-your-companys-website-or-facebook-page-with-placewidget/ ?
[15:28] <brobostigon> thank you s-fox :)
[15:32] <diplo> Anyone use fail2ban on there servers ?
[15:33] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:33] <diplo> Just wondering if its worth the effort to setup, just seeing lots of attempts at ssh
[15:34] <diplo> I've got key based auth on so not getting in any time soon
[15:34] <Laney> wasn't much effort ime
[15:34] <diplo> But just thought it would be worth banning them trying
[15:34] <brobostigon> Laney: what is the alternate, in your mind?
[15:35] <Laney> alternate to what? fail2ban?
[15:35] <Laney> denyhosts? using a different port for ssh
[15:35] <brobostigon> yes
[15:35] <diplo> yeah, was debating moving ports as well
[15:35] <diplo> My router sucks though
[15:36] <diplo> Can open new ports but can't forward to different ones :/
[15:36] <oimon> fail2ban is easy and useful
[15:36] <popey> diplo: i just moved ssh to another port
[15:36] <Laney> limiting the IPs that can connect
[15:36] <Laney> various
[15:37] <diplo> I did debate about that as well popey, may just do it tonight instead
[15:37] <diplo> Skys T&C's say not to use a non Sky router
[15:38] <diplo> But may just do it anyhoo
[15:38] <gord> just means you can't get support from them without using their router
[15:38] <diplo> Friend had lots of speed issues using different routers
[15:38] <gord> me too, but that was mostly because sky are kinda crap
[15:38] <bigcalm> I replaced my parents' sky adsl router with a netgear one. Works just fine
[15:39] <diplo> Friends dropped from 8mb down to 4mb ish with 2 different routers, one being a draytek 2820
[15:41] <popey> reminds me, must reboot mu superhub and enable modem only mode
[15:42] <popey> Seeker`: oi
[15:43] <popey> Seeker`: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-scribes can you add AlanBell as an admin of that group?
[15:43] <popey> Seeker`: given he maintains meetingology, the bot people are now using
[15:46] <Seeker`> popey: able to reactivate your membership?
[15:46] <popey> I'm not a member
[15:47] <popey> i tried to join but its pending
[15:47] <popey> and only you and ausimage can fix that
[15:47] <Seeker`> ah
[15:47] <Seeker`> hmm
[15:47] <popey> and he is awol
[15:47] <popey> AIUI
[15:47] <Seeker`> I can't change people to administrators
[15:47] <popey> bah
[15:48] <popey> why not, you're an admin
[15:48] <Seeker`> only people I can change admin status on is me and ausimage
[15:48] <popey> yeah, AlanBell isnt in the team
[15:48] <popey> he tried to join but nobody approved him
[15:48] <Seeker`> he is now
[15:48] <popey> ah, so he is
[15:49] <AlanBell> o/
[15:49] <Seeker`> maybe only the owner of the group can create new admins?
[15:49] <Laney> only the owner of a team can make people admins
[15:49] <Laney> SNAP
[15:50] <AlanBell> should I move the code in there or something?
[15:50] <Seeker`> is there a process for marking people as long term missing and take control of it?
[15:50] <popey> yeah
[15:51] <popey> contact them, see if they can do it out of courtesy
[15:51] <popey> if they dont respond or tell you to go away, contact lp admins
[15:51] <popey> in #launchpad
[15:51] <Seeker`> tried contacting ausimage?
[15:51] <popey> I have not
[15:52] <geekMePlease> How can you set up network manager only handle mobile-broadband?
[15:52] <popey> would you like to, as you're admin?
[15:52] <Seeker`> sure
[15:52] <geekMePlease> * I use Wicd for my other connections
[15:52] <popey> why do you use wicd?
[15:53] <geekMePlease> popey: Yes
[15:53] <geekMePlease> popey: Because, I want to set on and off particular devices and connections
[15:54] <geekMePlease> popey: In network manager, you can set only all connections off or all connection on.
[15:54] <popey> define "connections"?
[15:54] <popey> thanks Seeker`
[15:55] <popey> geekMePlease: i can switch off wired, and switch off wifi individually
[15:55] <geekMePlease> popey: I have many wifi -connections
[15:55] <popey> you have more than one wifi device?
[15:56] <geekMePlease> popey: Yes, I am a radio-amatour
[15:57] <oimon> wow facebook just changed.
[15:58] <geekMePlease> popey: Is it possible to set up network-manager only handle mobile-broadband?
[15:59] <popey> i dont know
[15:59] <popey> i mean, yes
[15:59] <popey> you can, but I dont know how that affects wicd because I dont use wicd
[16:00] <geekMePlease> popey: I do not understand how network-manager works. Is there any file for its settings?
[16:00] <Seeker`> AlanBell: You should have been CC'd on the email I sent
[16:01] <Seeker`> AlanBell: If he doesn't respond, give me a poke after what you feel is an appropriate amount of time and I'll go speak to the guys in #launchpad
[16:02] <popey> thanks Seeker` !
[16:02] <AlanBell> thanks Seeker`
[16:07] <Seeker`> AlanBell: you now have full access (and +F) in -scribes too
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:18] <AlanBell> thanks
[16:20] <diplo> Guys any advice here
[16:20] <diplo> ssh-keygen -t rsa
[16:21] <diplo> creates a pub key as expected
[16:21] <diplo> I copy that to authorized_keys
[16:21] <diplo> Not working, when I look at other keys I have put there when I arrow down over them it skips to next one each time
[16:21] <diplo> On the new one it lets me arrow down each line
[16:21] <diplo> Any thoughts...
[16:22] <diplo> Copy and paste from one to another breaking something ?
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> diplo: the keys are one very long line
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> well
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> one key per line
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> your editor might be wrapping it strangely
[16:22]  * MartijnVdS prefers ssh-copy-id these days
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> that does it for me
[16:22] <diplo> I was thinking that after typing that
[16:22] <diplo> I keep meaning to try that
[16:23] <diplo> Maybe tomorrows job, just edited the file now
[16:23] <diplo> See if that works
[16:23] <diplo> Thanks MartijnVdS
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> GGAAHH
[16:24]  * MartijnVdS shouts at Banshee
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> Method "Set" with signature "s(ii)" on interface "org.gnome.GConf.Database" doesn't exist
[16:25] <MartijnVdS> (yes I have a bug number, but it's private)
[16:25] <diplo> yeah it was that, but deo will try ssh-copy-id tomorrow
[16:25] <diplo> has that been round a while ?
[16:28] <diplo> off home
[16:28] <diplo> cya later all
[16:41] <bigcalm> !ping
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> !pong
[16:41] <bigcalm> !ding
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> !poo
[17:13] <JDmaX> hi ubuntu fans
[17:21] <daubers_> lo
[17:27]  * daubers is cold
[17:36] <PalaPad> Evening
[17:37] <majdekalel> how can i configure cgi-bin folder in ubuntu ??? im using apache2 ??????
[17:38] <PalaPad> In the httpd conf
[17:38] <majdekalel> is there any libraries i have to install to use cgi ?
[17:38] <majdekalel> or just configure cgi-bin folder ?
[17:38] <PalaPad> Or if you are using virtual hosts you can define them explicitly in the config files
[17:39] <PalaPad> I don't think you need any extra modules for cgi-bin but I have never used it so you should check
[17:59] <Lcawte> hmm, where is my java installed @ :/
[18:00] <hamitron> somewhere in /
[18:00] <hamitron> ;)
[18:07] <bigcalm> opt?
[18:11] <Lcawte> Nope, but I got it...
[18:11] <Lcawte> umm, right, why won't my permissions stay the same..
[18:12] <Lcawte> I try to give a file +x  but it keeps getting removed..
[18:14] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[18:19] <czajkowski> davmor2: oi oi
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> So, anyone here on oneiric? :)
[18:42]  * BigRedS is
[18:42] <czajkowski> me
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> On amd64?
[18:42] <BigRedS> yeah
[18:43] <BigRedS> well, not right now, the PC's off, but I can turn it on if you're after a test of something
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> Does flash have sound for you? While playing sound using some other app (music from banshee, video from totem, etc.)
[18:43] <BigRedS> Oooh, I'll give it a go, hang on
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> I can play multiple sounds at a time, as long as none of those is Flash
[18:48] <BigRedS> Oh man, you've just made me remember why I hardly ever turn this on :)
[18:51] <BigRedS> but, yeah, rhythmbox and iplayer can both make noise at the same time
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> hmmm
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: latest oneiric?
[18:53] <BigRedS> ah no, just updating
[18:53] <BigRedS> I think it's about a week old
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> because libasound2-plugins:i386 is broken for me, and I think that provides Pulseaudio integration
[19:07] <BigRedS> yeah, even updated I can do it
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: hmm.. do you have the ia32libs package installed?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> ia32-libs, sorry
[19:09] <BigRedS> oh, wait. I've a 686 kernel
[19:09] <BigRedS> hm, that wasn't the plan
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> that would explain :)
[19:09] <BigRedS> haha, yeah
[19:19] <N8> Hello?
[19:20] <AlanBell> hello
[19:20] <Guest84263> Hi, I'm looking for help installing ubuntu for my system
[19:20] <AlanBell> great, how far have you got with it?
[19:21] <Guest84263> I have already burned the disk, and I swapped my hard drive out for a blank one. I am in the stage of installing it right now
[19:21] <Guest84263> By the way, thank you very much for helping me
[19:22] <AlanBell> ok, shout if you have any questions as the install goes along
[19:22] <Guest84263> I'm at one of those points right now
[19:23] <Guest84263> I have started the install, and when the ubuntu logo with the 5 dots was on there for 10 minutes, It gives me this screen with 3 errors on it
[19:24] <AlanBell> 10 minutes sounds a bit long to get to the start of the installer
[19:25] <Guest84263> I don't know, but the first 2 times, I restarted because the num-lock key was not responding after 5 min.
[19:25] <AlanBell> what machine is it?
[19:26] <Guest84263> Kinda one I built out of legacy components. :/  Runs great on windows, though
[19:26] <AlanBell> processor? graphics?
[19:26] <AlanBell> ram
[19:27] <Guest84263> old socket 7, 950 mhz. Um, Intel Coppermine, graphics card (old) .5 gig. sdram (also old)
[19:27] <AlanBell> well that explains the 10 minutes :)
[19:28] <Guest84263> yeah. I tweaked up windows so it would run smooth, so I kinda forgot how old it was
[19:28] <AlanBell> that is a pentium 3 right?
[19:28] <Guest84263> what do you mean?
[19:29] <AlanBell> the coppermine chip
[19:29] <Guest84263> yes. I have several others on my desk Lol.
[19:29] <Guest84263> 950 Mhz. socket 7
[19:32] <Guest84263> You there?
[19:33] <AlanBell> yeah
[19:33] <Guest84263> Do you want me to tell you what the error messages are?
[19:33] <AlanBell> I think that might technically be below the hardware requirements, I was just checking them
[19:33] <AlanBell> however it should work
[19:33] <AlanBell> slowly
[19:33] <AlanBell> what are the errors then?
[19:34] <AlanBell> even if it does work I think you would enjoy Ubuntu a lot more on a more modern machine, even an Atom motherboard with intel graphics or something would be fine
[19:35] <AlanBell> and there is a good chance the old graphics card is not supported now
[19:35] <Guest84263> I know, but I can't afford that kind of stuff. Lol And I'm more into the code, and windows is very buggy sometimes
[19:35] <Guest84263> So I have to make do with what I have
[19:36] <AlanBell> try freecycle
[19:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> I installed Ubuntu 10.10 on an old 500Mhz PIII laptop (256M RAM) at the weekend over the network (PXE boot)
[19:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Worked OK.
[19:36] <AlanBell> interesting to know
[19:36] <Pernig> i ran an Ubuntu live CD on a 800Mhz Pentium 3
[19:36] <Guest84263> Yeah, windows will even work on a 300 mhz. computer with 256 meg. Ram
[19:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> The chap bought me two pints for doing it! Yay free beer! :-D
[19:37] <Guest84263> So I bet that ubuntu should run on my old clunker, right?
[19:37] <Pernig> Guest: have you considered any of the versions with lighter desktop environments?
[19:37] <AlanBell> Guest84263: windows 7?
[19:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably Guest84263 although it's a bit hard to tell but you should get some error messages or something rather than just 10 minutes of dots...
[19:38] <Guest84263> I could not boot from usb, so I had to burn a disc, and I just got the newest.
[19:38] <Guest84263> HOW DO YOU CHANGE YOUR NICKNAME??
[19:38] <AlanBell>  /nick nameyouwant
[19:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> It might be worth trying the "alternate" cd. It uses a text based installer.
[19:38] <Pernig> i recommend Lubuntu
[19:39] <AlanBell> but you can't have a nick that someone else has
[19:39] <AlanBell> ni natesky9
[19:39] <AlanBell> hi even
[19:39] <natesky9> Yes. I hate being faceless
[19:39] <Pernig> haha
[19:40] <natesky9> ok, I had it run for 10 minutes, and it seemed like it was reading the disc, then it does this wierd thing where it fills top-left corner with random letter
[19:40] <natesky9> first it was Q, now it is U
[19:41] <natesky9> says busybox, and operates just like MS-DOS
[19:43] <natesky9> ~And for the record, I currently can not try another os at the moment. I am out of discs, and it will not load from flash drive
[19:44] <natesky9> Hello?
[19:45] <AlanBell> try typing "exit"
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: if it's busybox, that probably means it can't find the root fs
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> which tends to be Bad®
[19:45] <AlanBell> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=879993
[19:46] <natesky9> whoa! tried that, it said that it could not find the directory of like, 15 files
[19:48] <natesky9> so what do  do if it keeps bringing me to busybox when I try installing it from the cd?
[19:49] <geekMePlease> Is this: iwconfig wlan0 key off, the right way to disable one of your wifis?
[19:49] <geekMePlease> * it does not seem to have any effect
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: no, it only disables encryption
[19:50] <AlanBell> natesky9: well you can try the boot options in the forums post I linked to, or upgrade the hardware a bit
[19:50] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: What is the right way?
[19:50] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: permanent
[19:50] <natesky9> when do I hit F6 to bring up grub?
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: do you want to completely disable it? or just disable it for the current boot?
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Completely, I have two cards
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: pull one out ;)
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Not possible now.
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: does the laptop have a wifi on/off switch?
[19:51] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: No
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> rfkill - tool for enabling and disabling wireless devices
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: you want to look at that tool
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: apt-cache show rfkill
[19:53] <natesky9> when it boots, where do I hit F6 to bring up the GRUB?
[19:53] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Thank you! Need to google a bit about its parameters.
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> geekMePlease: "rfkill" is what the function you want is called :)
[19:55] <natesky9> Hello?
[19:58] <natesky9> Can someone help me?
[20:01] <natesky9> Hello?
[20:02] <natesky9> Can someone help me?
[20:06] <Pernig> natesky9: what's up?
[20:07] <Myrtti> he left
[20:07] <Pernig> oh aye
[20:08] <natesky9> Hello, is anybody there?
[20:10] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: Network-manager takes the rfkill block out if I use it.
[20:11] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: I put rfkill block $IP-Wlan0 to startup-scripts
[20:11] <geekMePlease> How can you configure which devices Network-manager use?
[20:13] <natesky9> Hello?
[20:15] <geekMePlease> MartijnVdS: lol, http://askubuntu.com/questions/3677/disable-wireless-on-startup
[20:16] <AlanBell> well that was a big crash I just had
[20:16] <AlanBell> natesky9: hi
[20:16] <AlanBell> natesky9: so when you see the keyboard and person symbol, hit space and you should get to a menu
[20:16] <AlanBell> not entirely sure you can set the options you want there
[20:17] <AlanBell> I tried it in a virtual machine and ended up running myself out of memory and ended up rebooting my laptop
[20:18] <natesky9> Oh, Had to reboot. Mine froze after 10 minutes
[20:19] <natesky9> Is there a way we can chat w/o seeing everything else?
[20:20] <AlanBell> no, unless you want to pay my consultancy rates :)
[20:21] <natesky9> You there?
[20:22] <AlanBell> there are lots of people here, and I am in 56 other channels with many parallel conversations in progress
[20:22] <natesky9> Oh, ok
[20:23] <natesky9> Trying to reboot my computer to boot on cd, but it keeps doing network boot even though I have it on last priority
[20:24] <natesky9> I got the menu up, what should I go to?  (never would have figured this out)
[20:25] <AlanBell> space, then enter to select english, then f6 to get the other options menu
[20:27] <AlanBell> check the acpi=off and noapic options and press escape to get out of that menu
[20:27] <AlanBell> then type in the rest of the line the forum post was on about
[20:27] <AlanBell> all_generic_ide pci=nomsi
[20:27] <AlanBell> so you add that bit ^^ to the end of the line of boot options
[20:28] <AlanBell> and hit return to boot I think
[20:28] <AlanBell> and wait and hope, and if it doesn't work, get a new computer :)
[20:28] <natesky9> or more likele, make one. Lol
[20:28] <natesky9> *likely
[20:29] <natesky9> Well, right now I think it's froze, I have to wait for it
[20:35] <natesky9> well, it's reading the disk right now, I'm not sure if it's working.
[20:41] <gord> http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=11075 that is kind of an expensive but to reproduce
[20:41] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:42] <popey> haha
[20:46] <natesky9> how do I keep it from booting up in UNDI?
[20:46] <natesky9> never mind, I got it up in the menu
[20:50] <natesky9> Hey Alen, you there?
[22:07] <bigcalm> And, relax
[22:45] <samm> HazRPG: Hey man. Is Facebook on Pidgin not working for you?
[22:45] <samm> HazRPG: Since today I'm getting the error message "Not Authorized" and I can't use XMPP :(
[22:46] <Pernig> samm: i am connected to Facebook chat via xmpp right now
[22:46] <samm> Pernig: Hmmm I wonder what my problem is then
[22:47] <samm> I have been poked by several people over a year ago, is it time to respond yet?
[22:47] <Pernig> well i am using kopete so i guess it rules out the service having changed
[22:49] <samm> Arghhh I hate this stupid "Not Authorized" message
[22:49] <samm> I want to chat
[22:52] <Pernig> it would be interesting to know if any other pidgin users can get on
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: I've fixed it
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: The solution was to log out of Facebook, and type my username in instead of my email address
[22:53] <Pernig> cool
[22:53] <samm> Pernig: I asked HazRPG because I know he uses FB on Pidgin