[00:54] <gua> naming things is hard
[00:55] <gua> i'm trying to come up with a decent name for a google group for california study groups for the stanford online classes
[00:55] <gua> everything seems either too long or too vague
[00:55] <gua> that i've thought of so far at least
[00:56] <MarkDude> Yep
[00:56] <akk> ai-class-ca
[00:56] <akk> or -ca-us or -calif
[00:56] <gua> akk: i'd like it to be for all of the classes
[00:56] <MarkDude> Naming can be a hassle, I thought folks would like the name Free Geek around here, never really did tho
[00:56] <akk> Oh ... won't it get confusing if people are discussing 3 different classes in the same group?
[00:56] <gua> 2011-stanford-study-group, stanford-2011-online-study-california, cali-su-classes, california-ai-ml-db-groups
[00:57] <MarkDude> ai-ml-db ?
[00:57] <gua> akk: well i think the number of people posting will be small enough that it wouldn't make sense to have a group per class
[00:57] <gua> MarkDude: ai-class, ml-class, db-class are the three classes
[00:57] <MarkDude> They would be irc?
[00:57] <akk> With tens of thousands of students, you may get a shock at the number from CA. :)
[00:58] <gua> MarkDude: i'm naming a google group atm. they do have irc channels though here on freenode, #ai-class etc
[00:58] <gua> akk: heh maybe
[00:59] <akk> Why specifically california, btw? You'll probably get a bunch of people joining from outside too.
[00:59] <MarkDude> su always makes me think super user
[00:59] <akk> At least, I'm in a yahoo group for one specific flying field in los altos, and people join who live in New York and Russian and Canada.
[00:59] <akk> What are your goals for the group? The name should try to reflect that.
[01:00] <akk> (I think su = super user too)
[01:00] <gua> i figure i could split stuff off if it becomes too much
[01:00] <gua> just judging by the current level of activity in the /r/aiclass /r/mlclass and /r/dbclass subreddits, and the mailing lists i can find that exist to discuss thing, there's not a *ton* of activity
[01:00] <gua> ah yeah, i don't even think stanford abbreviates themselves that way.
[01:01] <akk> Partly maybe because nobody knows where to look to discuss the classes (plus they haven't started yet).
[01:01] <gua> akk: well people outside of california can either use a thread in a subreddit or do another google group. i'm doing this half for me and half for my fellow cali-ites
[01:01] <akk> I'd like to join a mailing list, but I'm not on reddit (I'm actually still a bit fuzzy what it is ... I think of it as being like slashdot or digg, am I way off base?)
[01:02] <gua> akk: waiting until the classes start to then form groups feels iffy to me
[01:02] <gua> akk: reddit is like a very lightweight forum with special thread management
[01:02] <akk> Oh, sure, I'm not saying you should wait
[01:02] <akk> definitely start forming the group now
[01:02] <akk> but you'll get a LOT more members looking for groups to join when the classes start.
[01:03] <gua> akk: yeah i'd hope a google group would help inform people of the existing resources too
[01:03] <akk> I haven't looked actively for a group, because (a) I don't need it yet and (b) I'm not sure if any exist, or where to look for them
[01:03] <akk> and I sorta figured once the class started, there would be some sort of official "here are some places to go to discuss homework" suggestions.
[01:04] <akk> (which is not to say I wouldn't join an unofficial one -- I definitely would)
[01:05] <gua> akk: well ai-class.com only refers to the subreddit
[01:06] <gua> i don't know if there's going to be any official platform for discussion or collaboration or whatnot, if there is they're sure keeping it a secret
[01:06] <akk> The original announcement implied there would be discussion, but maybe they just figured people would set up lots of unofficial groups.
[01:06] <gua> akk: i've assumed the latter but i really don't know
[01:07] <gua> they seem to be playing-by-ear parts of it
[01:08] <akk> I'd join a regional group (south bay/peninsula) that wanted to get together to discuss; otherwise, I'd just as soon discuss with people worldwide.
[01:08] <gua> akk: yeah hackerdojo would probably be the best thing for you that i know of so far, in terms of live meetups
[01:09] <akk> That's very convenient to me if they have open meetups that don't require dojo membership.
[01:10] <gua> i've only been once but i remember membership isn't required generally somehow. i forget why. maybe just you're supposed to join but it's okay to go without joining for an (extended) while.
[01:17] <gua> ok i'm thinking "ai-ml-db-classes-ca" for the email, but for the actual name i'm not sure:
[01:17] <gua> California Study Groups/Meetups for Stanford 2011 Online Classes
[01:17] <gua> Stanford 2011 Online Classes California Study Groups/Meetups
[01:17] <gua> Stanford 2011 Online Classes Study Groups/Meetups California
[01:18] <gua> ?
[01:19] <akk> I like the first two -- use the first one if you want to discourage non-californian members, the second if you don't.
[01:21] <gua> hmm yeah, good thought
[01:29] <gua> woo!
[01:29] <gua> ok it's taking a while to load the finished page but i think it's done
[01:34] <gua> http://groups.google.com/group/ai-ml-db-classes-ca
[01:37] <akk> Google is so weird -- I paste that into a new tab in a browser where I'm already reading google+, and it wants me to log in.
[01:39] <akk> Okay, you have a member (besides yourself) now. :)
[01:39] <gua> that is weird
[01:39] <gua> akk: woo! neat :D
[01:39] <gua> i'm going through the settings atm, tweaking stuff
[01:40] <gua> also depending on how big this gets (heh if it goes anywhere at all) i might need ops/admins/moderators
[03:09] <gua> akk, anyone else interested: http://pastebin.com/3T23qDY4
[03:10] <gua> that's a draft of a sorta 'intro thread' for the google group, how's it look?
[03:11] <akk> Sounds good! Though "planning and gathering information about" is kinda verbose, maybe just planning?
[03:12] <gua> akk: ah alright, yeah i tend to be overly verbose at times ;/
[03:12] <akk> I share that problem. :)
[03:12] <gua> ah noticed a typo in the last paragraph, changed it to: "If you want to change the settings for how you receive email"
[03:13] <akk> oh, I just skimmed that part, didn't even read it
[03:13] <gua> ah, oh i also should put in a bit about how this is unofficial
[03:13] <akk> kinda figure anyone signing up for a course at this level ought to be able to figure out google groups
[03:13] <gua> since it might seem kind of authritative
[03:14] <pleia2> home from talk at ITT Tech \o/
[03:14] <pleia2> went well I think :) lots of good questions from students
[03:14] <gua> akk: i'd hope so. but some might never have been a part of a mailing list before, so just in case
[03:14] <gua> pleia2: nice :)
[03:15] <akk> yay pleia2
[03:15] <akk> What did you talk about?
[03:15] <pleia2> akk: very basic intro to Ubuntu talk for an Intro to Linux talk
[03:16] <pleia2> err class
[03:16] <pleia2> tonight was in oakland, tomorrow night I'm meeting up with the same professor for a larger class in concord
[03:17]  * pleia2 runs out to pick up some dinner
[03:21] <bkerensa> Run pleia2 Run :)
[03:22] <bkerensa> Blondies Pizza for the Win
[03:27] <pleia2> tonight it's thai takeout ;)
[03:28] <pleia2> which I shall now take some time to enjoy!
[03:31] <akk> mmm, thai
[07:56] <philipballew> were all back!
[16:36] <raevol> well, facebook solved my "hogs too much resources when logged in" problem
[16:36] <raevol> by becoming so ugly and unusable that i'm not going to bother being logged in anymore
[16:37] <akk> I keep a separate firefox profile for FB and G+, just start up that profile to check the sites then quit the browser.
[16:37] <akk> FB has always been ugly and unusable.
[16:37] <rww> huzzah, welcome to the anti-facebook collective
[16:38] <rww> for extra points, also quit G+
[16:58] <raevol> G+ is fine
[16:58] <raevol> it's like super twitter
[17:04]  * MarkDude does not get why the most recent thing was taken away
[17:04] <MarkDude> and the blue corner crap was added
[17:05] <MarkDude> its like - no need to read- just look for hints on what I may like
[17:05] <raevol> i don't like other people deciding on what's important to me
[17:05] <MarkDude> and now there is a feed in the upper right in my feed
[17:05] <MarkDude> feed in the feed
[17:05] <MarkDude> Genius  :P
[17:06] <pleia2> it's very confusing
[17:06] <MarkDude> Can you imagine how the non-tech folks are feeling now?
[17:06] <MarkDude> If the geeks are confused
[17:06] <pleia2> I always assume my geek brain is the problem
[17:06] <raevol> haha, right?
[17:07] <pleia2> (I have trouble with the MacOSX UI too, and people say that's easy)
[17:07] <MarkDude> I have only seen Ryan Singer approve of it, and I only think that is because he is contrarian
[17:07] <raevol> i hate the Mac UI
[17:07] <raevol> i think it's one of the most backwards interfaces ever
[17:09] <MarkDude> Well Mac is designed for ITS cult members
[17:09] <pleia2> but see, normal people love it
[17:10] <rww> "ITS"?
[17:11] <raevol> i think the nice thing about the Mac interface is that it's really hard to accomplish anything meaningful with it
[17:11] <raevol> so as a result, noob user flailing doesn't screw up the computer
[17:11] <raevol> that's the problem with windows
[17:11] <nhaines> What's wrong with the Mac interface?
[17:11] <bkerensa> nom nom
[17:11] <bkerensa> MarkDude: nom nom
[17:11] <raevol> too easy to accomplish things, flail a little and suddenly the computer doesn't boot
[17:12] <pleia2> nhaines: do not grok mac interface
[17:12]  * MarkDude has had negative attitude towards MAc since I saw the one button thing
[17:12] <pleia2> my geek brain is easily confused by most graphical UIs
[17:12] <MarkDude> Like oooooooooo, I can right click, even with MS
[17:13] <bkerensa> :) I went in a Mac store yesterday
[17:13] <bkerensa> but mostly just to troll :)
[17:13] <raevol> bahahaha
[17:13] <pleia2> (maybe it's just old age, I do turn 30 next week and all!)
[17:13] <bkerensa> lol I would used a MacBook but I would install Ubuntu on it
[17:13] <bkerensa> :D
[17:13] <MarkDude> To be honest, tho I have not seen it in person, Windows phone is the only graphical interface that looks like I could use it
[17:14] <MarkDude> I mean tiles, that kinda makes sense
[17:14] <MarkDude> Win 8 looks like a trainwreck
[17:14] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I was looking at one yesterday.... I could have had it free but I'm waiting on a certain android phone to be in stock at AT&T
[17:14] <nhaines> Win 8 looks identical to the Windows phone interface you just praised.
[17:14] <MarkDude> Yep
[17:14] <MarkDude> Ok for phone
[17:14] <MarkDude> not for my OS
[17:15] <bkerensa> pleia2: Happy Early Birthday!
[17:15] <MarkDude> bkerensa: how are the peeps? Any new flavors?
[17:15] <bkerensa> Yes
[17:16] <bkerensa> The New Peeps are Chocolate Dipped Milk Choc and Dark
[17:16] <bkerensa> :)
[17:16] <bkerensa> As usually very sugary
[17:16] <pleia2> thanks
[17:16] <bkerensa> kinda stoked I got to try out the new Peeps before the rest of the world :)
[17:17] <bkerensa> MarkDude: :( Finn is leaving.... so sad
[17:18] <MarkDude> He is going to WA?
[17:18] <bkerensa> and tgm4883 might be in CA soon
[17:19] <bkerensa> Yeah he goes to WA Friday but I got to see him yesterday and gave him some Ubuntu swag :)
[17:19] <MarkDude> Well, your team is more active than this state's sometimes
[17:19] <MarkDude> And you have like 3 electoral votes, we have like 100
[17:19] <MarkDude> ^^^ roughly
[17:19] <MarkDude> :D
[17:20] <bkerensa> :P perhaps on IRC more active (at times) but CA does way more events
[17:20] <bkerensa> It would be hard for me to get events kicked off in places like say Coos Bay or Gold Beach OR
[17:20] <bkerensa> :P
[17:20] <bkerensa> Just aint happening
[17:22] <MarkDude> Yet.
[17:23] <MarkDude> Dont forget SoCal has more recently started doing more events, mostly used to be SD
[17:23] <bkerensa> If I could convince more people in #ORLUG to come to LoCo stuff that would be a great success but honestly if I talk anything Ubuntu in that channel I get major trolled
[17:23] <bkerensa> :P
[17:23] <MarkDude> or Orange
[17:23] <bkerensa> They hate Canonical there
[17:23] <bkerensa> :P
[17:23] <MarkDude> Well, talk about Puppy and Fedora
[17:24] <MarkDude> If they like trolololo, just talk Gentoo ;D
[17:24] <MarkDude> lol
[17:25] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Yeah SoCal has population though.... outside of Portland the population is slim and that means less geeks and a lesser chance of Ubuntu users... I told one guy in Salem if he gathers enough people I will make trips down monthly and help them host events and fund it
[17:25] <bkerensa> I'm really trying to get the Salem people to kick off some Ubuntu activity down there
[17:26] <bkerensa> Hopefully I can work with the OSU OSL and OSULUG people to do some Ubuntu stuff in Corvallis
[17:27] <MarkDude> Well leslie and her group are awesome
[17:27] <MarkDude> if anyone can help - she can
[17:30] <MarkDude> Well it appears all of the geeks dont like the new FB
[17:31] <MarkDude> and a few of my heavy metal friends do
[17:31] <pleia2> people complain every time facebook changes ;)
[17:31] <pleia2> I'm sure there is a "change it back" group already
[17:31] <MarkDude> First time I have, at least in a year+\
[17:42] <raevol> i just don't like when my actions are reported to everyone without my consent
[17:42] <raevol> that real time feed they added is not ok with me
[17:42] <rww> social networking isn't exactly a consent-based system in general
[17:43] <raevol> yea, that's why i've basically stopped using it
[17:43] <raevol> unfortunately the dance community i am part of relies on it heavily
[17:43] <rww> It's surprised me how many people don't use facebook at my university when the topic's come up
[17:43] <raevol> girls are too dumb (no offense to present company, who are obviously an exception) to use a better service
[17:44] <rww> maybe the specific people you know are the exception to the general rule that they're the same average intelligence as men
[17:45] <raevol> that's valid
[17:45] <rww> I'm glad Facebook got all horrible at privacy, the concept of deliberately not having one is less weird to people now
[17:46] <rww> and nobody blinks if you don't have G+ ;)
[17:46] <raevol> hehe
[17:48] <pleia2> wow.
[17:48] <pleia2> raevol: please don't ever say that again
[17:49] <pleia2> that was really, really mean
[17:49] <bkerensa> :(
[17:49] <raevol> sorry
[17:49] <bkerensa> Women are just as smart and capable as men... :)
[17:50] <raevol> i would argue that everyone is equally dumb :P but it's semantics
[17:51] <rww> not even getting into the use of disability terms to mean "unintelligent"... :P
[17:51] <pleia2> we have a hard enough time attracting women to ubuntu without having to expose them to members of our team who choose to blanket the whole gender in a cruel "too dumb" stereotype
[17:51] <raevol> disability terms?
[17:52] <raevol> pleia2: sorry, i guess i should have specified that i was talking about my dance community, not people in general
[17:52] <pleia2> I'm not in your dance community, and yet you specifically chose to exclude me from your horrible comment
[17:52] <bkerensa> =o
[17:52] <pleia2> so no, I don't really buy that excuse
[17:53] <raevol> k
[17:53] <pleia2> apology accepted, I just want you to be aware of how damaging such comments are in a community with such a gender imbalance
[18:04] <raevol> i hate it when people are late for online meetings
[18:04] <raevol> there's no way of knowing if they are just running a little late or if they completely forgot
[18:07] <rww> some of our councils have each others' cellphone numbers or what not for that reason
[18:07] <raevol> that's really smart..
[18:07] <raevol> do i have this guy's number D:
[18:07] <rww> I've seen more than one vote registered by text message :D
[18:08] <raevol> haha
[18:08] <pleia2> if I don't have their number I'll often do a nudge via email too (in case they're like me and obsessively check email while out)
[18:08] <raevol> yea gonna do that
[18:09] <bkerensa> pleia2: My phone is set to check e-mail ever 5 mins :D
[18:09] <bkerensa> pleia2: Hopefully I will have a Meta Watch soon and then just have e-mail go to my watch indicator
[18:09] <pleia2> hehe
[18:10] <raevol> ok he didn't read the meeting email -_- but at least he just called
[18:46] <MarkDude> https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162518003829448
[18:46] <MarkDude> SF event at Temple SF - peanut labs party
[18:47] <MarkDude> The troll cake- what is fuckgencia mean?
[18:48] <MarkDude> copy pasta fail
[18:48] <MarkDude> cake looks awesome tho, trust me
[18:48] <MarkDude> :)
[18:49] <tatica> morning!
[18:49] <tatica> I come to invade your space
[18:49] <pleia2> hi tatica :)
[18:50] <nhaines> welcome tatica. :)
[18:50] <tatica> pleia2, hey! hello :D
[18:50] <bkerensa> =o
[18:50] <bkerensa> fedora peh
[18:50] <bkerensa> :P
[18:50] <tatica> some people told me you have cookies
[18:50] <tatica> is that true?
[18:50] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Cookies :)
[18:50]  * pleia2 had android cookies
[18:51] <pleia2> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6086009959/ :)
[18:51] <pleia2> they were very popular at the linux picnic!
[18:51] <MarkDude> bkerensa: She is like Nixie Pixel of Fedora
[18:51] <tatica> pleia2, ok... after that, I believe you're god
[18:52]  * pleia2 bows
[18:52] <pleia2> :)
[18:52] <MarkDude> She also promotes Ubuntu in Latin America too, all sorts of FOSS
[18:52] <pleia2> MarkDude: yeah, I first met her through ubuntu loco stuff
[18:52] <pleia2> foss++
[18:52] <MarkDude> pleia2: is at least a minor god
[18:52] <MarkDude> Well Princess at least
[18:53] <pleia2> I wish there was an easier way to make ubuntu cookies, the logo doesn't really lend itself to cut out cookies
[18:54] <tatica> pleia2, yeah? o0
[18:54] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Have you ever used Backtrack Linux?
[18:54] <MarkDude> The cookies were cool. The ubuntu booth had all sorts of love. The Fedora one was more trying to buy folks love
[18:54] <tatica> pleia2, well, you can make a pattern
[18:54] <tatica> and then cut them
[18:54]  * MarkDude has made cookie cutters before
[18:54] <tatica> would be cheaper to find a cutter
[18:54] <tatica> MarkDude, there you go
[18:54] <MarkDude> we would need circle, and pair of pliers
[18:54] <tatica> :)
[18:54] <bkerensa> OMG
[18:55] <pleia2> tatica: but what pattern? the logo has floating circles
[18:55] <pleia2> it could be just the outline of the logo I suppose
[18:55]  * bkerensa needs to find a 3d printer and make Ubuntu Cookie Cutters
[18:55] <tatica> pleia2, you can do a 2 level cookie
[18:55] <MarkDude> well the floating part is done with icing
[18:55] <tatica> so you will have a base and a design on top
[18:55] <tatica> I guess I could vectorize it
[18:55] <pleia2> hehe
[18:55] <pleia2> that seems like too much work
[18:55] <bkerensa> MarkDude: We need to find a 3D Printer to make Ubuntu Cookie Cutter
[18:55] <bkerensa> :D
[18:55] <MarkDude> They have 2 reprap printers at Hacker dojo
[18:55] <pleia2> android cookies took me 3 hours, and those are just stamped and frosted :)
[18:56] <MarkDude> Zareason has one, but they need to repair nozzle
[18:56] <bkerensa> hmm I know someone in northern california who has one
[18:56] <pleia2> if someone can figure out a way to do it, I'll make the cookies
[18:56] <MarkDude> akk - no go on geeknic, I FAIL
[18:57] <tatica> pleia2, nothing in design is too much work, is too much fun
[18:57] <pleia2> tatica: I'm not much of an artist :)
[18:57] <MarkDude> spoken like someone that has spent time with design team
[18:57] <tatica> lol
[18:58] <akk> MarkDude: Oh no! Darn!
[18:59] <MarkDude> Yep, I realized I need to ask for a couple of volunteers to help
[18:59] <MarkDude> I have too much on plate. I need to focis more on Partimus and GK
[19:00] <MarkDude> So is the stuff from 3d printers food safe?
[19:01] <pleia2> help with partimus would be nice, christian and I are still the ones doing all the social media stuff for it (I gave him a crash course in facebook the other day)
[19:01] <pleia2> we have a blog now :)
[19:01] <MarkDude> Well I figure making short videos is next on list
[19:02] <pleia2> we still need photos of mission beacon, grantbow was trying to get you down there before he left but I guess that never happened
[19:02] <pleia2> not sure what the status is there now that he's out of the country
[19:02] <pleia2> (who can drop by, etc)
[19:03] <MarkDude> Well I just need speak to Robert was my understanding
[19:04]  * MarkDude 's muse is moving to Fremont, so I will be closer a good amount of the time ;)
[19:04] <bkerensa> fyi: Flickr will give Pro Accounts to Ubuntu LoCo's I just got that for us
[19:04] <bkerensa> :)
[19:04] <pleia2> bkerensa: cool, can you put me in touch with your contact?
[19:04] <bkerensa> usually they reserve this for non-profits but I talked the good folks at Flick into it
[19:04] <bkerensa> pleia2: You betcha
[19:04] <MarkDude> That would be one of the reason I say you should do a session at UOW
[19:04] <MarkDude> bkerensa:
[19:04] <pleia2> we haven't actually needed a pro account, our free one is fine so far, but in the long run...
[19:05] <MarkDude> High resoultion penguin pics- ftw
[19:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: Can I pm his info?
[19:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: sure, thanks
[19:06] <tatica> brb
[19:08] <pleia2> bkerensa: what's the oregon flickr address?
[19:08] <bkerensa> UbuntuOregon
[19:08] <bkerensa> he is upgrading it now
[19:11] <pleia2> k, message sent
[19:12] <raevol> meeting over, LUNCH TIME :D
[19:13] <MarkDude> aaditya: ping
[19:13] <bkerensa> Mmm Con Agra Foods is sending me their new Veggie Crisps once they come out of production :D
[19:13]  * bkerensa mouth watering
[19:14] <MarkDude> Mmmmm, Hippie food
[19:14] <MarkDude> well mius the Conagra part
[19:15] <MarkDude> michael Moore did movie about that
[19:15] <bkerensa> LOL
[19:15] <bkerensa> Michael Moore
[19:15] <bkerensa> dont get me started about that guy
[19:15] <bkerensa> :P
[19:15] <MarkDude> Well I see both sides of him
[19:15] <MarkDude> But he is viewed rather highly by many
[19:15] <bkerensa> Yeah like the part where he grabbed some national tv time by donating money to Julian Assange's defense fund
[19:15] <bkerensa> :P
[19:16]  * MarkDude has had plenty of friends have parties to watch his stuff
[19:16] <MarkDude> Dude, he grabs time any way he can
[19:16] <bkerensa> If it was about journalism like he said why did he schedule so many interviews to talk about his cahs contribution to wikileaks and blog about it on Huffpo
[19:16] <MarkDude> like an attention whore
[19:16] <bkerensa> yeah but if your gonna be about it
[19:16] <MarkDude> idk if he has ever pretended to be journalist
[19:17] <bkerensa> atleast say I can careless about wikileaks I just want the buzz
[19:18] <MarkDude> Speaking of huffington, how soon til Michael Arrington goes nutty and goes for attention grab
[19:18]  * MarkDude has over under at 2-3 weeks
[19:18] <jyo> Do people actually read TechCrunch?
[19:19]  * MarkDude likes watching Arrington be wacky
[19:19] <broder> i do
[19:20] <broder> it has traditionally been more comprehensive than any of its competitors
[19:22] <bkerensa> Seriously AT&T: The call your are trying to make is not allowed from this line press 611
[19:23] <bkerensa> Apparently I'm unallowed to call my mother ;p
[19:23] <MarkDude> Does your mom have some software to stop the recording of conversations? ATT dont like that
[19:24] <MarkDude> They want IT ALL on record
[19:24] <bkerensa> LOL
[19:29] <tatica> back
[19:33] <MarkDude> tatica: also akk has like hella common sense. I dont think I have ever seen her be wrong
[19:34] <MarkDude> She is a more adventuresome geek, camping, gardening, al sorts of good stuff
[19:34] <tatica> :)
[19:35] <MarkDude> http://www.shallowsky.com/
[19:35] <MarkDude> And some gimp and other stuff too
[19:35] <tatica> oh, I have check that website before
[19:36] <tatica> I have that book :)
[19:36] <MarkDude> :) sounds about right. Nothing like meeting folks you have read their stuff before
[19:36] <tatica> :)
[19:41] <raevol> i love food...
[19:43]  * akk wakes up .. I'm being talked about! :)
[19:43] <bkerensa> I love Sushi+Wasabi+Ginger
[19:43] <bkerensa> everyone needs a little akk in their life
[19:43] <tatica> sushi....
[19:44] <tatica> my next mission
[19:44] <MarkDude> Yep. That is the next thing Oregon could use is akk type person
[19:44]  * tatica will take photos of girls servind sushi next week
[19:45] <MarkDude> And a few more speakers, nhaines is really good public speaker
[19:45] <tatica> don't know why people find interesting eat food that way, but.... I'm getting paid, don't care
[19:46] <MarkDude> Off or person tatica ?
[19:46] <MarkDude> Off of
[19:46] <tatica> they put the sushi on the naked girls
[19:46] <tatica> they serve as tables
[19:47]  * MarkDude saw a movie where they did that
[19:47] <MarkDude> Title is not shareable
[19:48]  * bkerensa is looking forward to ROFLConSummit next month.... Noirin Plunkett is coming!
[19:49]  * MarkDude has NOTHING TO SAY there. nuthin
[19:49] <akk> ROFLCon is a fun name for a con.
[19:50] <MarkDude> It is, I would hella wear a shirt from there
[19:51] <MarkDude> pleia2: Saurday looks like day to see stuff that cant be unseen http://blog.sfgate.com/cityinsider/2011/09/21/cover-your-eyes-nude-in-planned-for-saturday/?tsp=1
[19:52] <pleia2> heh, I'm already double-booked for saturday
[19:52] <pleia2> (that's why I couldn't do geeknic)
[19:52] <bkerensa> pleia2
 If I come to see the noc can I bring a fake hatchet and sign that says "I hacked Kernel.org"
 :D
 why does the hatchet have to be fake?
 Something tells me OSU doesnt want a person with a real hatchet in their noc
[19:52] <bkerensa> :D
[19:52] <MarkDude> it’s legal to go naked in San Francisco
[19:53] <bkerensa> MarkDude: It is legal to go naked in Portland too (unfortunately)
[19:53] <MarkDude> Well the rain stops it more
[19:53] <MarkDude> like waterhose on 2 dogs
[19:53] <bkerensa> MarkDude: I might go down the Corvallis soon to see the OSU OSL NOC :) go see master.kernel.org and all the other main boxes for every OS project
[19:54] <pleia2> someone at the class last night asked me about the linux.com hacking :\
[19:54] <pleia2> I was like "uhhh, that's embarrassing"
[19:54] <raevol> hahaha
[19:54] <bkerensa> :)
[19:54] <MarkDude> lol
[19:54] <MarkDude> Good answer
[19:55] <bkerensa> What would be embarrassing is if someone did go into the noc with a hatchet and literally hack it
[19:55] <bkerensa> :P
[19:56] <bkerensa> * andrewfree barricades the noc
 lol
[19:56] <pleia2> then "if there is such a great community around linux, why can't everyone just volunteer and fix it?"
[19:56] <bkerensa> LOL
[19:56] <pleia2> well linux.com is run by the linux foundation, which is a non-profit and they don't just let any random volunteers hack at things
[19:56] <bkerensa> Was the hack not a result of a key being stolen?
[19:56] <bkerensa> last time I check someone stole the root key
[19:57] <MarkDude> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/
[19:57] <pleia2> I never read about the details
[19:57] <MarkDude> the ssl thing is fun too, with bigass implications
[19:57] <bkerensa> Yeah kernel.org has key for root and someone got ahold of it
[19:57] <bkerensa> MarkDude: That is weaksauce :P
[19:58]  * bkerensa could setup a Certificate Authority in under 30 minutes or less.... sure it wouldnt be authoritive but so many sites use unsigned ssl these days and people accept it
[19:58] <bkerensa> There are worse problems out there like ARP Poisoning, DNSSpoof
[19:58] <bkerensa> etc
[19:58] <MarkDude> Well, we will see how MITM folks can be with it
[19:59] <bkerensa> Most places have open wifi or easily give out wifi passes
[19:59] <bkerensa> ARP poisoning you can then spoof dns and redirect all web traffic and its not stoppable
[20:00] <bkerensa> just keep changing macs and you cannot be blocked
[20:00] <bkerensa> those kind of things need to be fixed
[20:00] <bkerensa> =/
[20:01] <bkerensa> I think there needs to be more regulatory oversight on the tech sector to ensure more headway is made towards patching exploits and improving security overall... The Sony hacks and Bart hacks should have never been able to occur
[20:02]  * MarkDude likes listening to Security now on TWIT
[20:03] <MarkDude> Steve does rundown on why things are the way they are, and why that causes issues
[20:03] <MarkDude> And also says - the best way to be secure is use Linux liveCD
[20:04] <bkerensa> true
[20:04] <bkerensa> any Linux box can be hacked if you have physical access
[20:04] <bkerensa> KonBoot will root a box in under 2 mins
[20:04] <pleia2> bkerensa: this is why we're all switching to dns-sec! ;)
[20:04] <MarkDude> Well yes. Root user password?
[20:04] <MarkDude> Most dont set them
[20:05] <bkerensa> pleia2: We all? Could this be the same people who are switching to IPv6?
[20:05] <MarkDude> repair broken system
[20:05] <pleia2> bkerensa: yes, the same people
[20:05] <pleia2> so like, 3 people
[20:05] <pleia2> :)
[20:05] <MarkDude> lol
[20:05] <bkerensa> MarkDude: Doesnt matter even if root is disabled it will enable it
[20:05] <bkerensa> LOL
[20:05] <MarkDude> Well arent there like 5 ways to do it?
[20:05]  * bkerensa is fully IPv6 live for his site
[20:06] <pleia2> physical access is end game
[20:06] <MarkDude> Well if you have access, most can be hacked
[20:06] <MarkDude> Mac osx
[20:06] <pleia2> actually, ubuntu-california.org is ipv6 too
[20:06] <pleia2> and all my sites
[20:06] <pleia2> but I'm a sysadmin and my fiance is a network engineer, so...
[20:06] <pleia2> I am one of the three
[20:06] <pleia2> hehe
[20:06] <bkerensa> Ubuntu CA is Linode or HE.net?
[20:07] <pleia2> linode
[20:07]  * bkerensa is using MediaTemple for his blog and they dont even offer IPv6 yet my site fully accepts IPv6 traffic :) please tell me how thats possible
[20:07] <bkerensa> :P
[20:07] <bkerensa> Linode are fine Americans
[20:07] <bkerensa> :D
[20:08] <pleia2> aside from linode, my other servers are with ramhost (kansas city, comcast ipv6 transit) and he.net in fremont
[20:08] <pleia2> (we have colo in fremont)
[20:08] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://youtu.be/igkyIwHXQoE <--- Linode staff hitting some thingy at OSCON party
[20:09]  * bkerensa has Linode, MediaTemple, Rackspace & Softlayer atm
[20:09]  * bkerensa will be switching to colo+linode at year end
[20:09] <pleia2> yay psandin
[20:09]  * bkerensa is still trying to find a good price
[20:10] <bkerensa> psandin is cool and from Oregon originally
[20:10] <bkerensa> :D
[20:10] <pleia2> neat
[20:10] <bkerensa> sadly I'm considering FDC for Colo
[20:10] <bkerensa> best price I can find so far
[20:10] <pleia2> linode is amazing, but they aren't cheap
[20:10] <bkerensa> $49 for Unmetered
[20:10] <bkerensa> =o
[20:11] <pleia2> oh and linode isn't colo, right
[20:11] <pleia2> we have super cheap colo, but that's because my fiance "knows a guy"
[20:11] <pleia2> it's good to be neteng for google, people like doing you favors :)
[20:11] <bkerensa> Yeah... I'm gonna keep my Linodes and colo a 2U to replace my MT, Rackspace, Softlayer stuffs
[20:11] <pleia2> it's hot again today
[20:12] <pleia2> summer--
[20:12] <bkerensa> yeah but he.net is bad....
[20:12] <pleia2> bad?
[20:12] <bkerensa> They have had two outages in the last year
[20:12] <pleia2> ah, we haven't been part of those outages
[20:12] <bkerensa> I migrated my Linodes out of that he.net because both times it cause me issues
[20:12] <pleia2> yeah, I think the linodes are in the other fremont facility
[20:12] <bkerensa> old Fremont?
[20:13] <pleia2> I always forget which one is which
[20:13] <bkerensa> :P
[20:13] <bkerensa> I wish he.net would buy 365 Main but he.net is kinda known for being a budget provider
[20:31] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://theoatmeal.com/comics/netflix
[20:32]  * pleia2 saw :)
[20:32] <jyo> http://www.salsitasoft.com/blog/2011/09/21/in-defense-of-netflix/
[20:32]  * pleia2 saw that one on the g+ (oh, from jyo!)
[20:34] <akk> heh, nice
[20:34] <akk> they're crazy (netflix)
[20:35] <MarkDude> Have you seen the dude that owns quikster on Twitter?
[20:35] <MarkDude> You think htey might have checked 1st
[20:35] <pleia2> he is kind of... simple
[20:35] <akk> I heard about that but forgot to go look -- thanks for the reminder!
[20:35] <pleia2> yeah, it's kind of insane that a silicon valley company wouldn't check that first
[20:36]  * akk LOL at the number of followers he has now
[20:36] <akk> I'm guessing that number was quite a bit smaller a week ago.
[20:40] <nhaines> xkcd was a good laugh on Monday but today it was epic.  <3
[20:42] <pleia2> that's just not right :)
[20:42] <akk> Funny, though :)
[20:42] <MarkDude> That is horrible
[20:42] <MarkDude> and funny
[20:42] <nhaines> Love the title text . :)
[20:47] <jyo> Hat guy is my hero. xkcd.com/611 is one of my favorites.
[20:52] <nhaines> haha, I love his line in the last panel.
[20:52] <nhaines> Black Hat Guy is awesome.
[20:52] <akk> Elaine Roberts is cooler. :)
[20:53] <MarkDude> Joanne- ftw
[20:53] <nhaines> http://xkcd.com/455/
[20:55] <MarkDude> http://xkcd.com/322/
[20:55] <MarkDude> Joanna
[20:56] <aaditya> MarkDude: pong
[20:58] <MarkDude> No geeknic
[20:59] <MarkDude> And say hello to tatica - although I think she is away right now
[20:59] <aaditya> tatica: Hai!
[20:59] <tatica> o/
[21:00] <akk> Why no geeknic? just no time to plan/spread the word?
[21:00] <aaditya> MarkDude: it's not a question of if, but when.
[21:01] <aaditya> tatica: welcome to #ubuntu-us-ca. Are you an Ubuntu user?
[21:02] <tatica> I'm a foss user if that helps :)
[21:02] <aaditya> That works!
[21:02] <tatica> i haven't tried the last one, but yeap :)
[21:03] <aaditya> I'm almost tempted to say "good for you" :P
[21:03] <tatica> lol
[21:04] <tatica> imperfections make things more interesting, right?
[21:05] <aaditya> yep, they add color and contrast to life.
[21:06] <aaditya> Also give us something to learn from.
[21:07] <akk> What would we do if things just worked and we didn't have to tweak each release anew?
[21:07] <MarkDude> True, next month we should be good for Hacker Dojo
[21:07] <aaditya> We'd be productive and spend that time extending the OS instead?
[21:08] <akk> aaditya: ssh :)
[21:09] <aaditya> lol. :P
[21:29] <gua> google plus's intro page abbreviates as "Google+: real life sh..." instead of "real life sharing" for me in Chromium
[21:29] <gua> the title that is
[21:31] <raevol> hehehe
[21:37] <raevol> http://imgur.com/gallery/7lhmQ
[22:14] <bkerensa> pleia2: http://i.imgur.com/EaEtT.jpg <-- for the win
[22:14] <bkerensa> :P
[22:14] <pleia2> shiny :)
[22:15] <bkerensa> :P
[22:16] <bkerensa> I feel like making a video for youtube that is like.... "Google I understand you guys couldnt send me a CR-48 even though I was one of the first to apply and even did your youtube chrome os challenge so I wanted to make a quick video to tell you its ok because Samsung sent me one" :)
[22:20] <nhaines> ha
[22:21] <bkerensa> Video rendering on Linux is horrible
[22:21] <bkerensa> :(
[22:22] <nhaines> Rendering?
[22:22] <bkerensa> Youtube cannot even convert anything I render in Pitivi
[22:22] <nhaines> That is transcoding.
[22:22] <bkerensa> Well on Pitivi is says "Render" and when you save a new video is says "Rendering"
[22:22] <bkerensa> :)
[22:23] <akk> Video rendering (still images) are pretty crappy too, since the maverick-era X regressions. :(
[22:24] <akk> gaps in fonts, missing pixels
[22:24] <bkerensa> yeah hmm facebook accepted it but it failwhaled on Youtube but even the video is out of sync
[22:24] <bkerensa> =/
[22:31] <nhaines> bkerensa: pick different codecs.  :)
[22:32] <bkerensa> Mpeg 4 is solid though
[22:32] <bkerensa> :P
[22:37] <nhaines> They all have problems.
[22:38] <kdub> transcoding on linux is like some other things on linux
[22:38] <kdub> if you know what you're doing, its great for it
[22:38] <kdub> ffmpeg converts every format under the sun (pretty much)
[22:38] <kdub> even really obscure ones
[22:39] <nhaines> transcoding on any system is like that.
[22:39] <nhaines> Codecs are evil.
[22:39] <kdub> when i was working SoC for them, one of the other students was working on like some '95 graphics era codec
[22:55] <akk> Even on windows people have problems finding videos they can't play.
[22:55] <akk> (and not just ogg :)
[22:58] <nhaines> I just use VLC.
[23:00] <gua> handbrake is awesome for transcoding, as long as you only want to transcode to h264
[23:00] <gua> otherwise yeah, ffmpeg or mencoder (and reading guides on how to use them)
[23:05] <kdub> the handbrake author is a h264 expert, so that makes sense gua :P
[23:05] <gua> ahh that makes sense
[23:07] <gua> somehow it totally automatically makes great (afaict) transcoded videos. i'm nowhere near an encoding expert though, or even skilled really.
[23:07] <gua> tried to figure out xvid encoding back in the day and i encoded so little i could never remember each time i'd go back to encode something new
[23:07] <akk> I have a few shell aliases for the magic mencoder incantations to convert to formats I sometimes need.
[23:08] <akk> There is no way I'd ever have been able to figure out the arguments it needs without a lot of help.
[23:08] <akk> ffmpeg is a little better that way.
[23:10] <gua> yeah from one format to another ffmpeg does a good job
[23:10] <gua> but for fine tuning stuff per scene and all those options for xvid and h264 are so detailed it's crazy
[23:13] <akk> I usually just want something that works like imagemagick, convert file.mov file.flv (or whatever)
[23:14] <akk> I shouldn't have to figure out arguments like -oac pcm -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg1video -o to do that.
[23:50] <nhaines> akk: yes you should!
[23:50] <nhaines> The mencoder author suffered for his work.  And now it's your turn!
[23:50] <rww> I totally misparsed that package name.
[23:51] <rww> erm, program name
[23:51] <akk> nhaines: After all, it's part of mplayer, the Package from Hell!
[23:51] <gua> well if the program can't figure out good defaults then a user has to figure it out
[23:51] <gua> although i wonder why it took until handbrake for a program that can figure good defaults came out
[23:52] <nhaines> gua there are no good defaults for video encoding.
[23:52] <gua> nhaines: my head-in-the-sand approach to just trusting handbrake has worked so far :P
[23:53] <nhaines> I really need to get the Ubucon vids captioned and encoded.
[23:53] <akk> Darn, looks like that famous "Mplayer, Project from Hell" article has been taken down (was on a webzine that no longer exists)
[23:53] <gua> i would be curious if maybe not overwhelming the user with knobs and buttons to tweak, but giving a few options like "was this shot outside?" etc
[23:54] <gua> akk: archive.org wayback machine!
[23:54] <akk> I'm trying -- http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html but it's just giving me info on the wayback machine.
[23:55] <nhaines> gua: it pretty much all needs careful consideration.  I'm sure stuff could be made far more friendly but probably never automatic.
[23:55] <gua> nhaines: have you used handbrake before?
[23:56] <akk> ah, found one, had to go back a lot farther. http://web.archive.org/web/20020805061358/http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2001/1214.mplayer.html
[23:56] <gua> akk: gj
[23:56] <gua> nhaines: it works with one click, somehow. i don't know how.
[23:56] <akk> I had tried to build mplayer myself, and had the same experience, so I loved the article. It was so true.