[00:54] naming things is hard [00:55] i'm trying to come up with a decent name for a google group for california study groups for the stanford online classes [00:55] everything seems either too long or too vague [00:55] that i've thought of so far at least [00:56] Yep [00:56] ai-class-ca [00:56] or -ca-us or -calif [00:56] akk: i'd like it to be for all of the classes [00:56] Naming can be a hassle, I thought folks would like the name Free Geek around here, never really did tho [00:56] Oh ... won't it get confusing if people are discussing 3 different classes in the same group? [00:56] 2011-stanford-study-group, stanford-2011-online-study-california, cali-su-classes, california-ai-ml-db-groups [00:57] ai-ml-db ? [00:57] akk: well i think the number of people posting will be small enough that it wouldn't make sense to have a group per class [00:57] MarkDude: ai-class, ml-class, db-class are the three classes [00:57] They would be irc? [00:57] With tens of thousands of students, you may get a shock at the number from CA. :) [00:58] MarkDude: i'm naming a google group atm. they do have irc channels though here on freenode, #ai-class etc [00:58] akk: heh maybe [00:59] Why specifically california, btw? You'll probably get a bunch of people joining from outside too. [00:59] su always makes me think super user [00:59] At least, I'm in a yahoo group for one specific flying field in los altos, and people join who live in New York and Russian and Canada. [00:59] What are your goals for the group? The name should try to reflect that. [01:00] (I think su = super user too) [01:00] i figure i could split stuff off if it becomes too much [01:00] just judging by the current level of activity in the /r/aiclass /r/mlclass and /r/dbclass subreddits, and the mailing lists i can find that exist to discuss thing, there's not a *ton* of activity [01:00] ah yeah, i don't even think stanford abbreviates themselves that way. [01:01] Partly maybe because nobody knows where to look to discuss the classes (plus they haven't started yet). [01:01] akk: well people outside of california can either use a thread in a subreddit or do another google group. i'm doing this half for me and half for my fellow cali-ites [01:01] I'd like to join a mailing list, but I'm not on reddit (I'm actually still a bit fuzzy what it is ... I think of it as being like slashdot or digg, am I way off base?) [01:02] akk: waiting until the classes start to then form groups feels iffy to me [01:02] akk: reddit is like a very lightweight forum with special thread management [01:02] Oh, sure, I'm not saying you should wait [01:02] definitely start forming the group now [01:02] but you'll get a LOT more members looking for groups to join when the classes start. [01:03] akk: yeah i'd hope a google group would help inform people of the existing resources too [01:03] I haven't looked actively for a group, because (a) I don't need it yet and (b) I'm not sure if any exist, or where to look for them [01:03] and I sorta figured once the class started, there would be some sort of official "here are some places to go to discuss homework" suggestions. [01:04] (which is not to say I wouldn't join an unofficial one -- I definitely would) [01:05] akk: well ai-class.com only refers to the subreddit [01:06] i don't know if there's going to be any official platform for discussion or collaboration or whatnot, if there is they're sure keeping it a secret [01:06] The original announcement implied there would be discussion, but maybe they just figured people would set up lots of unofficial groups. [01:06] akk: i've assumed the latter but i really don't know [01:07] they seem to be playing-by-ear parts of it [01:08] I'd join a regional group (south bay/peninsula) that wanted to get together to discuss; otherwise, I'd just as soon discuss with people worldwide. [01:08] akk: yeah hackerdojo would probably be the best thing for you that i know of so far, in terms of live meetups [01:09] That's very convenient to me if they have open meetups that don't require dojo membership. [01:10] i've only been once but i remember membership isn't required generally somehow. i forget why. maybe just you're supposed to join but it's okay to go without joining for an (extended) while. [01:17] ok i'm thinking "ai-ml-db-classes-ca" for the email, but for the actual name i'm not sure: [01:17] California Study Groups/Meetups for Stanford 2011 Online Classes [01:17] Stanford 2011 Online Classes California Study Groups/Meetups [01:17] Stanford 2011 Online Classes Study Groups/Meetups California [01:18] ? [01:19] I like the first two -- use the first one if you want to discourage non-californian members, the second if you don't. [01:21] hmm yeah, good thought [01:29] woo! [01:29] ok it's taking a while to load the finished page but i think it's done [01:34] http://groups.google.com/group/ai-ml-db-classes-ca [01:37] Google is so weird -- I paste that into a new tab in a browser where I'm already reading google+, and it wants me to log in. [01:39] Okay, you have a member (besides yourself) now. :) [01:39] that is weird [01:39] akk: woo! neat :D [01:39] i'm going through the settings atm, tweaking stuff [01:40] also depending on how big this gets (heh if it goes anywhere at all) i might need ops/admins/moderators [03:09] akk, anyone else interested: http://pastebin.com/3T23qDY4 [03:10] that's a draft of a sorta 'intro thread' for the google group, how's it look? [03:11] Sounds good! Though "planning and gathering information about" is kinda verbose, maybe just planning? [03:12] akk: ah alright, yeah i tend to be overly verbose at times ;/ [03:12] I share that problem. :) [03:12] ah noticed a typo in the last paragraph, changed it to: "If you want to change the settings for how you receive email" [03:13] oh, I just skimmed that part, didn't even read it [03:13] ah, oh i also should put in a bit about how this is unofficial [03:13] kinda figure anyone signing up for a course at this level ought to be able to figure out google groups [03:13] since it might seem kind of authritative [03:14] home from talk at ITT Tech \o/ [03:14] went well I think :) lots of good questions from students [03:14] akk: i'd hope so. but some might never have been a part of a mailing list before, so just in case [03:14] pleia2: nice :) [03:15] yay pleia2 [03:15] What did you talk about? [03:15] akk: very basic intro to Ubuntu talk for an Intro to Linux talk [03:16] err class [03:16] tonight was in oakland, tomorrow night I'm meeting up with the same professor for a larger class in concord [03:17] * pleia2 runs out to pick up some dinner [03:21] Run pleia2 Run :) [03:22] Blondies Pizza for the Win [03:27] tonight it's thai takeout ;) [03:28] which I shall now take some time to enjoy! [03:31] mmm, thai [07:56] were all back! [16:36] well, facebook solved my "hogs too much resources when logged in" problem [16:36] by becoming so ugly and unusable that i'm not going to bother being logged in anymore [16:37] I keep a separate firefox profile for FB and G+, just start up that profile to check the sites then quit the browser. [16:37] FB has always been ugly and unusable. [16:37] huzzah, welcome to the anti-facebook collective [16:38] for extra points, also quit G+ [16:58] G+ is fine [16:58] it's like super twitter [17:04] * MarkDude does not get why the most recent thing was taken away [17:04] and the blue corner crap was added [17:05] its like - no need to read- just look for hints on what I may like [17:05] i don't like other people deciding on what's important to me [17:05] and now there is a feed in the upper right in my feed [17:05] feed in the feed [17:05] Genius :P [17:06] it's very confusing [17:06] Can you imagine how the non-tech folks are feeling now? [17:06] If the geeks are confused [17:06] I always assume my geek brain is the problem [17:06] haha, right? [17:07] (I have trouble with the MacOSX UI too, and people say that's easy) [17:07] I have only seen Ryan Singer approve of it, and I only think that is because he is contrarian [17:07] i hate the Mac UI [17:07] i think it's one of the most backwards interfaces ever [17:09] Well Mac is designed for ITS cult members [17:09] but see, normal people love it [17:10] "ITS"? [17:11] i think the nice thing about the Mac interface is that it's really hard to accomplish anything meaningful with it [17:11] so as a result, noob user flailing doesn't screw up the computer [17:11] that's the problem with windows [17:11] What's wrong with the Mac interface? [17:11] nom nom [17:11] MarkDude: nom nom [17:11] too easy to accomplish things, flail a little and suddenly the computer doesn't boot [17:12] nhaines: do not grok mac interface [17:12] * MarkDude has had negative attitude towards MAc since I saw the one button thing [17:12] my geek brain is easily confused by most graphical UIs [17:12] Like oooooooooo, I can right click, even with MS [17:13] :) I went in a Mac store yesterday [17:13] but mostly just to troll :) [17:13] bahahaha [17:13] (maybe it's just old age, I do turn 30 next week and all!) [17:13] lol I would used a MacBook but I would install Ubuntu on it [17:13] :D [17:13] To be honest, tho I have not seen it in person, Windows phone is the only graphical interface that looks like I could use it [17:14] I mean tiles, that kinda makes sense [17:14] Win 8 looks like a trainwreck [17:14] MarkDude: I was looking at one yesterday.... I could have had it free but I'm waiting on a certain android phone to be in stock at AT&T [17:14] Win 8 looks identical to the Windows phone interface you just praised. [17:14] Yep [17:14] Ok for phone [17:14] not for my OS [17:15] pleia2: Happy Early Birthday! [17:15] bkerensa: how are the peeps? Any new flavors? [17:15] Yes [17:16] The New Peeps are Chocolate Dipped Milk Choc and Dark [17:16] :) [17:16] As usually very sugary [17:16] thanks [17:16] kinda stoked I got to try out the new Peeps before the rest of the world :) [17:17] MarkDude: :( Finn is leaving.... so sad [17:18] He is going to WA? [17:18] and tgm4883 might be in CA soon [17:19] Yeah he goes to WA Friday but I got to see him yesterday and gave him some Ubuntu swag :) [17:19] Well, your team is more active than this state's sometimes [17:19] And you have like 3 electoral votes, we have like 100 [17:19] ^^^ roughly [17:19] :D [17:20] :P perhaps on IRC more active (at times) but CA does way more events [17:20] It would be hard for me to get events kicked off in places like say Coos Bay or Gold Beach OR [17:20] :P [17:20] Just aint happening [17:22] Yet. [17:23] Dont forget SoCal has more recently started doing more events, mostly used to be SD [17:23] If I could convince more people in #ORLUG to come to LoCo stuff that would be a great success but honestly if I talk anything Ubuntu in that channel I get major trolled [17:23] :P [17:23] or Orange [17:23] They hate Canonical there [17:23] :P [17:23] Well, talk about Puppy and Fedora [17:24] If they like trolololo, just talk Gentoo ;D [17:24] lol [17:25] MarkDude: Yeah SoCal has population though.... outside of Portland the population is slim and that means less geeks and a lesser chance of Ubuntu users... I told one guy in Salem if he gathers enough people I will make trips down monthly and help them host events and fund it [17:25] I'm really trying to get the Salem people to kick off some Ubuntu activity down there [17:26] Hopefully I can work with the OSU OSL and OSULUG people to do some Ubuntu stuff in Corvallis [17:27] Well leslie and her group are awesome [17:27] if anyone can help - she can [17:30] Well it appears all of the geeks dont like the new FB [17:31] and a few of my heavy metal friends do [17:31] people complain every time facebook changes ;) [17:31] I'm sure there is a "change it back" group already [17:31] First time I have, at least in a year+\ [17:42] i just don't like when my actions are reported to everyone without my consent [17:42] that real time feed they added is not ok with me [17:42] social networking isn't exactly a consent-based system in general [17:43] yea, that's why i've basically stopped using it [17:43] unfortunately the dance community i am part of relies on it heavily [17:43] It's surprised me how many people don't use facebook at my university when the topic's come up [17:43] girls are too dumb (no offense to present company, who are obviously an exception) to use a better service [17:44] maybe the specific people you know are the exception to the general rule that they're the same average intelligence as men [17:45] that's valid [17:45] I'm glad Facebook got all horrible at privacy, the concept of deliberately not having one is less weird to people now [17:46] and nobody blinks if you don't have G+ ;) [17:46] hehe [17:48] wow. [17:48] raevol: please don't ever say that again [17:49] that was really, really mean [17:49] :( [17:49] sorry [17:49] Women are just as smart and capable as men... :) [17:50] i would argue that everyone is equally dumb :P but it's semantics [17:51] not even getting into the use of disability terms to mean "unintelligent"... :P [17:51] we have a hard enough time attracting women to ubuntu without having to expose them to members of our team who choose to blanket the whole gender in a cruel "too dumb" stereotype [17:51] disability terms? [17:52] pleia2: sorry, i guess i should have specified that i was talking about my dance community, not people in general [17:52] I'm not in your dance community, and yet you specifically chose to exclude me from your horrible comment [17:52] =o [17:52] so no, I don't really buy that excuse [17:53] k [17:53] apology accepted, I just want you to be aware of how damaging such comments are in a community with such a gender imbalance [18:04] i hate it when people are late for online meetings [18:04] there's no way of knowing if they are just running a little late or if they completely forgot [18:07] some of our councils have each others' cellphone numbers or what not for that reason [18:07] that's really smart.. [18:07] do i have this guy's number D: [18:07] I've seen more than one vote registered by text message :D [18:08] haha [18:08] if I don't have their number I'll often do a nudge via email too (in case they're like me and obsessively check email while out) [18:08] yea gonna do that [18:09] pleia2: My phone is set to check e-mail ever 5 mins :D [18:09] pleia2: Hopefully I will have a Meta Watch soon and then just have e-mail go to my watch indicator [18:09] hehe [18:10] ok he didn't read the meeting email -_- but at least he just called [18:46] https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=162518003829448 [18:46] SF event at Temple SF - peanut labs party [18:47] The troll cake- what is fuckgencia mean? [18:48] copy pasta fail [18:48] cake looks awesome tho, trust me [18:48] :) [18:49] morning! [18:49] I come to invade your space [18:49] hi tatica :) [18:50] welcome tatica. :) [18:50] pleia2, hey! hello :D [18:50] =o [18:50] fedora peh [18:50] :P [18:50] some people told me you have cookies [18:50] is that true? [18:50] Ubuntu Cookies :) [18:50] * pleia2 had android cookies [18:51] http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/6086009959/ :) [18:51] they were very popular at the linux picnic! [18:51] bkerensa: She is like Nixie Pixel of Fedora [18:51] pleia2, ok... after that, I believe you're god [18:52] * pleia2 bows [18:52] :) [18:52] She also promotes Ubuntu in Latin America too, all sorts of FOSS [18:52] MarkDude: yeah, I first met her through ubuntu loco stuff [18:52] foss++ [18:52] pleia2: is at least a minor god [18:52] Well Princess at least [18:53] I wish there was an easier way to make ubuntu cookies, the logo doesn't really lend itself to cut out cookies [18:54] pleia2, yeah? o0 [18:54] MarkDude: Have you ever used Backtrack Linux? [18:54] The cookies were cool. The ubuntu booth had all sorts of love. The Fedora one was more trying to buy folks love [18:54] pleia2, well, you can make a pattern [18:54] and then cut them [18:54] * MarkDude has made cookie cutters before [18:54] would be cheaper to find a cutter [18:54] MarkDude, there you go [18:54] we would need circle, and pair of pliers [18:54] :) [18:54] OMG [18:55] tatica: but what pattern? the logo has floating circles [18:55] it could be just the outline of the logo I suppose [18:55] * bkerensa needs to find a 3d printer and make Ubuntu Cookie Cutters [18:55] pleia2, you can do a 2 level cookie [18:55] well the floating part is done with icing [18:55] so you will have a base and a design on top [18:55] I guess I could vectorize it [18:55] hehe [18:55] that seems like too much work [18:55] MarkDude: We need to find a 3D Printer to make Ubuntu Cookie Cutter [18:55] :D [18:55] They have 2 reprap printers at Hacker dojo [18:55] android cookies took me 3 hours, and those are just stamped and frosted :) [18:56] Zareason has one, but they need to repair nozzle [18:56] hmm I know someone in northern california who has one [18:56] if someone can figure out a way to do it, I'll make the cookies [18:56] akk - no go on geeknic, I FAIL [18:57] pleia2, nothing in design is too much work, is too much fun [18:57] tatica: I'm not much of an artist :) [18:57] spoken like someone that has spent time with design team [18:57] lol [18:58] MarkDude: Oh no! Darn! [18:59] Yep, I realized I need to ask for a couple of volunteers to help [18:59] I have too much on plate. I need to focis more on Partimus and GK [19:00] So is the stuff from 3d printers food safe? [19:01] help with partimus would be nice, christian and I are still the ones doing all the social media stuff for it (I gave him a crash course in facebook the other day) [19:01] we have a blog now :) [19:01] Well I figure making short videos is next on list [19:02] we still need photos of mission beacon, grantbow was trying to get you down there before he left but I guess that never happened [19:02] not sure what the status is there now that he's out of the country [19:02] (who can drop by, etc) [19:03] Well I just need speak to Robert was my understanding [19:04] * MarkDude 's muse is moving to Fremont, so I will be closer a good amount of the time ;) [19:04] fyi: Flickr will give Pro Accounts to Ubuntu LoCo's I just got that for us [19:04] :) [19:04] bkerensa: cool, can you put me in touch with your contact? [19:04] usually they reserve this for non-profits but I talked the good folks at Flick into it [19:04] pleia2: You betcha [19:04] That would be one of the reason I say you should do a session at UOW [19:04] bkerensa: [19:04] we haven't actually needed a pro account, our free one is fine so far, but in the long run... [19:05] High resoultion penguin pics- ftw [19:05] pleia2: Can I pm his info? [19:05] bkerensa: sure, thanks [19:06] brb [19:08] bkerensa: what's the oregon flickr address? [19:08] UbuntuOregon [19:08] he is upgrading it now [19:11] k, message sent [19:12] meeting over, LUNCH TIME :D [19:13] aaditya: ping [19:13] Mmm Con Agra Foods is sending me their new Veggie Crisps once they come out of production :D [19:13] * bkerensa mouth watering [19:14] Mmmmm, Hippie food [19:14] well mius the Conagra part [19:15] michael Moore did movie about that [19:15] LOL [19:15] Michael Moore [19:15] dont get me started about that guy [19:15] :P [19:15] Well I see both sides of him [19:15] But he is viewed rather highly by many [19:15] Yeah like the part where he grabbed some national tv time by donating money to Julian Assange's defense fund [19:15] :P [19:16] * MarkDude has had plenty of friends have parties to watch his stuff [19:16] Dude, he grabs time any way he can [19:16] If it was about journalism like he said why did he schedule so many interviews to talk about his cahs contribution to wikileaks and blog about it on Huffpo [19:16] like an attention whore [19:16] yeah but if your gonna be about it [19:16] idk if he has ever pretended to be journalist [19:17] atleast say I can careless about wikileaks I just want the buzz [19:18] Speaking of huffington, how soon til Michael Arrington goes nutty and goes for attention grab [19:18] * MarkDude has over under at 2-3 weeks [19:18] Do people actually read TechCrunch? [19:19] * MarkDude likes watching Arrington be wacky [19:19] i do [19:20] it has traditionally been more comprehensive than any of its competitors [19:22] Seriously AT&T: The call your are trying to make is not allowed from this line press 611 [19:23] Apparently I'm unallowed to call my mother ;p [19:23] Does your mom have some software to stop the recording of conversations? ATT dont like that [19:24] They want IT ALL on record [19:24] LOL [19:29] back [19:33] tatica: also akk has like hella common sense. I dont think I have ever seen her be wrong [19:34] She is a more adventuresome geek, camping, gardening, al sorts of good stuff [19:34] :) [19:35] http://www.shallowsky.com/ [19:35] And some gimp and other stuff too [19:35] oh, I have check that website before [19:36] I have that book :) [19:36] :) sounds about right. Nothing like meeting folks you have read their stuff before [19:36] :) [19:41] i love food... [19:43] * akk wakes up .. I'm being talked about! :) [19:43] I love Sushi+Wasabi+Ginger [19:43] everyone needs a little akk in their life [19:43] sushi.... [19:44] my next mission [19:44] Yep. That is the next thing Oregon could use is akk type person [19:44] * tatica will take photos of girls servind sushi next week [19:45] And a few more speakers, nhaines is really good public speaker [19:45] don't know why people find interesting eat food that way, but.... I'm getting paid, don't care [19:46] Off or person tatica ? [19:46] Off of [19:46] they put the sushi on the naked girls [19:46] they serve as tables [19:47] * MarkDude saw a movie where they did that [19:47] Title is not shareable [19:48] * bkerensa is looking forward to ROFLConSummit next month.... Noirin Plunkett is coming! [19:49] * MarkDude has NOTHING TO SAY there. nuthin [19:49] ROFLCon is a fun name for a con. [19:50] It is, I would hella wear a shirt from there [19:51] pleia2: Saurday looks like day to see stuff that cant be unseen http://blog.sfgate.com/cityinsider/2011/09/21/cover-your-eyes-nude-in-planned-for-saturday/?tsp=1 [19:52] heh, I'm already double-booked for saturday [19:52] (that's why I couldn't do geeknic) [19:52] pleia2 [19:52] If I come to see the noc can I bring a fake hatchet and sign that says "I hacked Kernel.org" [19:52] :D [19:52] why does the hatchet have to be fake? [19:52] Something tells me OSU doesnt want a person with a real hatchet in their noc [19:52] :D [19:52] it’s legal to go naked in San Francisco [19:53] MarkDude: It is legal to go naked in Portland too (unfortunately) [19:53] Well the rain stops it more [19:53] like waterhose on 2 dogs [19:53] MarkDude: I might go down the Corvallis soon to see the OSU OSL NOC :) go see master.kernel.org and all the other main boxes for every OS project [19:54] someone at the class last night asked me about the linux.com hacking :\ [19:54] I was like "uhhh, that's embarrassing" [19:54] hahaha [19:54] :) [19:54] lol [19:54] Good answer [19:55] What would be embarrassing is if someone did go into the noc with a hatchet and literally hack it [19:55] :P [19:56] * andrewfree barricades the noc [19:56] lol [19:56] then "if there is such a great community around linux, why can't everyone just volunteer and fix it?" [19:56] LOL [19:56] well linux.com is run by the linux foundation, which is a non-profit and they don't just let any random volunteers hack at things [19:56] Was the hack not a result of a key being stolen? [19:56] last time I check someone stole the root key [19:57] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/ [19:57] I never read about the details [19:57] the ssl thing is fun too, with bigass implications [19:57] Yeah kernel.org has key for root and someone got ahold of it [19:57] MarkDude: That is weaksauce :P [19:58] * bkerensa could setup a Certificate Authority in under 30 minutes or less.... sure it wouldnt be authoritive but so many sites use unsigned ssl these days and people accept it [19:58] There are worse problems out there like ARP Poisoning, DNSSpoof [19:58] etc [19:58] Well, we will see how MITM folks can be with it [19:59]