[00:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, ScottK, bulldog98_: is there a use case for a uds desktop app?
[01:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: touchegg-gui rejected.
[01:21] <ScottK> apachelogger: Dunno.  I'm not going.
[01:22] <ScottK> Quite fortunate I procrastinated reviewing touchegg-gui earlier today.
[01:22] <apachelogger> indeed so
[01:43] <ScottK> Updated desktop images are available for testing.
[01:48] <ScottK> New dvd too, so all images should be ready (except armel)
[01:50] <ScottK> Tm_T: Your powerpc didn't happen to get fixed did it?
[03:08] <claydoh> ScottK: or anyone , is kde 4,7,2 likely for 11.10, or is that going to be too late? 
[03:08]  * claydoh writes blogs, blogilo has no spellcheck for some reason
[03:10] <ScottK> claydoh: Too late.
[03:10] <ScottK> Because 1010 10 = 42.
[03:10] <claydoh> kk, thought so wanted to get facts straight beforehand
[03:10] <claydoh> thanks
[03:11] <ScottK> I think I have that fixed for 12.10.
[03:12] <claydoh> ScottK: the release note on the wiki by lunarcloud look very nice, though I never heard back from him in any fashion.
[03:12] <claydoh> 42 the magic number!
[03:12] <ScottK> claydoh: OK.  You might contact him via LP.  I'd make what use of it you can.
[03:13] <ScottK> Yes.  Our dear master was convinced that geeks would think it was cool to realease earlier with more bugs.
[03:13] <claydoh> he has the wiki page up https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta2/Kubuntu
[03:14] <claydoh> looks nice rather
[03:15] <claydoh> valorie and I did make some comments on his draft for Final, I like it actually
[03:17] <ScottK> We'll need release notes tomorrow, so ....
[03:21] <claydoh> I don't have a login to kubuntu.org to edit/create
[03:22] <claydoh> errr blogilo is ticking me off, I rely on spellcheck too much
[03:28] <claydoh> ScottK: I'd just steal from the wiki page, it would look good on kubuntu.org.
[03:29] <ScottK> Sure you do.
[03:29] <ScottK> It's the same as always, AFAIK.
[03:29] <ScottK> Oh.
[03:29] <ScottK> Sorry, thought you said the wiki.
[03:29] <claydoh> ??
[03:30] <claydoh> I think the overall text blurb would make a decent text blurb for the website announcement
[03:31] <ScottK> OK.
[03:31] <ScottK> Nevermind me.  I was confused.
[03:32] <ScottK> Allegedly https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 is fixed in trunk.  Anyone care to go spelunking for the commit that fixed it?
[03:32] <claydoh> so am i
[03:33]  * claydoh thinks bug 856059 should go to the front of the list, cuz I needz spellchek
[03:33] <claydoh> kidding of course
[04:01]  * valorie agrees - good blurb on the wiki
[05:08] <ScottK> claydoh: I checked and there aren't any relevant blogilo changes 4.7.0 -> .1, so it's something else.  FYI.
[05:12] <claydoh> thanks, its the only thing affected as far as I see so far, everything else has working spellcheck 
[05:31] <Tm_T> ScottK: I haven't found replacement power source yet, all shops seems to say "out of stock" or something
[05:31] <ScottK> OK.
[05:58] <DarkwingDuck> You need a power supply?
[06:04] <Tm_T> yes, for iboog g4
[06:04] <Tm_T> book too
[06:11] <DarkwingDuck> ahhh
[06:11] <DarkwingDuck> I have desktop ones but, none for a laptop in my graveyard 
[07:34] <bambee> morning
[08:22] <valorie> so I'm trying to report my tests with my netbook upgrade
[08:22] <valorie> can't find where to report?
[08:23] <Tm_T> valorie: so that's not iso testing?
[08:24] <valorie> ok, found it
[08:24]  * Tm_T is puzzled
[08:35] <valorie> no, not quite ISO
[08:36] <valorie> but since it's up-to-the minute current, it's worth testing
[08:36] <valorie> and it is one of the test cases -- had to use control f to find it
[08:36] <valorie> couldn't get a USB key to work, and there is no cd drive
[08:37] <valorie> so it's upgrade or nothing, until I get a different USB key
[08:54] <Tm_T> valorie: ah, was wondering where it should be reported or such, bugs should be reported in LP anyway though
[08:55] <valorie> right
[08:55] <valorie> the only anomaly I found I'm not sure is a bug
[08:55] <valorie> so I asked in #amarok-devel
[08:56] <valorie> will report if 'tis
[09:38] <bambee> apachelogger: ping
[09:39] <bambee> why did you uploaded touchegg 1.0 ? the ffe is not approved ...
[10:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Can you test http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6720 on your mac?
[10:38] <ScottK> Got no testing and it takes having actual Mac hardware to do it.
[11:01] <debfx> ScottK: I hope you'll grant a FFe for digikam even if it adds a gazillion lib, -dev and -data packages ...
[11:02] <ScottK> debfx: It's granted.  It just needs someone to upload it.
[11:03] <debfx> really? the packaging isn't even finished ;)
[11:14] <bambee> apachelogger: finally, pitti closed it as "Fix Released"
[11:19] <debfx> libmediawiki - what a great, utterly non-generic name
[11:31] <allee> ScottK: about digikam: is there a ppa to test 2.1.1 (like bluedevil and strigi)?  I've check yofel_ but there's only 2.0.0 for natty
[11:31] <ScottK> I don't know.
[11:31] <ScottK> I know someone was working on it, but I don't recall who.
[11:31] <allee> ScottK: yofel_ was working on it AFAIR but nothing in it's ppas
[11:31] <ScottK> debfx: Yes. I know we want it in and the archive is frozen.
[11:32] <ScottK> So I can just review it in the queue once it's done.
[11:37] <allee> is there a digikam bzr repo with latest pkging changes?  debfx care to build pkgs for your ppa?  I can try to revive my how-to-doit knowledge won't find time until tomorrow morning
[11:43] <debfx> allee: not yet, I'll push it to the bzr repo and a ppa soon
[11:53] <allee> debfx: great!  Thx a lot!
[12:51] <didrocks> ScottK: I think I'll push the bzr branch Qt as soon as we unfreeze (contains a fix for Qt apps using gtk theme which makes either logouting or the machine to swap like crazy (8 GB windows created)
[12:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will take a look on that
[13:06] <ScottK> didrocks: Did we get fabo's sslv2 patch in?  We need that too.
[13:06] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah, it's in the bzr branch
[13:07] <ScottK> OK.
[13:07] <ScottK> Sounds good then.
[13:07] <didrocks> ScottK: I'm testing this version in the ubuntu-destkop for already some days
[13:07] <ScottK> Great.
[13:13] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i did, it didn't even detect the usb drive, i dd'ed the image onto the usb, but i'll try with usb-creator now
[13:13] <ScottK> OK.
[13:16] <ScottK> didrocks: Is it in a PPA somewhere?
[13:17] <didrocks> ScottK: yeah it's in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+archive/ppa. Be warned, you have other desktop stuff in it, but nothing that should be installed by default in a kubuntu machine I guess
[13:17] <ScottK> Can someone test ^^^ Qt packages to make sure they work OK with KDE?
[13:18] <shadeslayer> i can do that right after i do ISO testing
[13:39] <ScottK> bambee: Would you be up for working on getting 4.6.5 ready for natty-updates?
[13:40] <bambee> ScottK: sure
[13:40] <ScottK> bambee: OK. Here's what needs doing ...
[13:41] <ScottK> Take the PPA package in the updates PPA, then check in LP to see if there have been any security updates or SRUs.
[13:41] <ScottK> Then look in upstream git/svn to see if there's any really scary looking fixes that hit after 4.6.5 was released.
[13:41] <ScottK> Then update the packages in the PPA.
[13:42] <ScottK> We'll need a bug that affects all the packages to coordinate SRU testing.
[13:42] <ScottK> Once someone (i.e. you) has gone through to make sure we're current, then I'll grab them and upload to -proposed.
[13:42] <ScottK> bambee: Sound good?
[13:43] <bambee> yes
[13:46] <ScottK> Great.
[14:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: We'll need to decide soon if we're releasing amd64+mac and you're the only tester.  How'd it going.
[14:09] <ScottK> No pressure.
[14:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: give me a couple of minutes, i'm copying the ISO over and for some reason my local server running sid hangs up :/
[14:10] <ScottK> OK.
[14:10] <ScottK> I think we have an hour or two.
[14:10] <shadeslayer> alright, i'll do it the old fashioned way
[14:12] <bambee> woo kdelibs has 4 fixes on upstream + a security fix
[14:26] <shadeslayer> kaboom
[14:26] <shadeslayer> ssh is busted i think
[14:34] <ScottK> bambee: If it looks like we have something that should go upstream, please ping someone with upstream access to commit it (if you don't, I don't recall).
[14:34] <rbelem> bambee, you can ping me :-)
[14:34] <apachelogger> ScottK: anything still needs testing?
[14:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do you have amd64?
[14:35] <apachelogger> yes
[14:35] <rbelem> ScottK, i could not test the image on pandaboard. tomorrow i will do that, ok?
[14:36] <ScottK> rbelem: Gruemaster tested already.
[14:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: A few tests left for that: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6712
[14:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Particularly the run once cases.  AFAIK those haven't been done all cycle.
[14:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, for bug #851668, i thinkg echidna made a patch for that
[14:38] <apachelogger> can we get that in plz :D
[14:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: stupid alternate
[14:38]  * apachelogger zsyncs
[14:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm not sure where the patch is. i will ping him when he shows up
[14:40] <apachelogger> kk
[14:41] <bambee> ScottK: no I was talking about a security fix pushed on upstream and not fixed in kubuntu
[14:41] <ScottK> Oh.
[14:41] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.git&a=shortlog&h=refs/heads/KDE/4.6  <-- the last one
[14:41] <ScottK> Need to get that fixed then.
[14:41] <bambee> (pushed by david faure)
[14:41] <bambee> also there are few important fixes (already backported in ~ppa2)
[14:42] <ScottK> Thanks.
[14:42] <bambee> I build kdelibs for now, I will push it in the ppa and then I will open a security bug
[14:42] <debfx> allee: digikam finished building in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[14:43] <bambee> ScottK: hehe that's my job ;)
[14:44] <ScottK> bambee: I did ping someone on #ubuntu-hardened.
[14:44] <bambee> great, thanks
[14:48] <debfx> we also need to cherry-pick that commit into oneiric
[14:49] <bambee> +1
[14:50]  * yofel would like to have per stable branch kde-commits lists :S
[14:51] <bambee> I don't understand why it was not reported on kde-packagers... :\
[14:52] <allee> debfx: thx!! I'll test when I'm back at home.
[14:52] <bambee> (I could be wrong, but don't remember of it)
[14:53]  * yofel updates digikam
[14:53] <shadeslayer> \o/
[14:54] <shadeslayer> "Failed to install the bootloader."
[14:55] <shadeslayer> same as last time
[14:56] <yofel> and you probably trashed your system grub too this time?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:56] <shadeslayer> usb-creator is broken
[14:56] <yofel> then it's progress ^^
[14:57] <shadeslayer> bug 702283
[15:15] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:16] <shadeslayer> for some weird reason my backlight controls start working after pulling out the adapter on certain occassions
[15:17] <shadeslayer> and i get /sys/class/backlight/apple_backlight .. any ideas how to ensure i get backlight controls on every boot?
[15:23] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I got a USB that failed like that when kauth crashed during the usb setup.
[15:24] <shadeslayer> well, for me, the USB isn't even detected if i dd the ISO, so can't test
[15:24] <shadeslayer> i'm searching for a CD, can't find one 
[15:27] <ScottK> Sigh.
[15:30] <yofel> does someone know where the translations for the ubiquity slideshow are?
[15:30] <yofel> can't find them
[15:32] <ScottK> Rosetta, I'd guess.
[15:33] <ulysses> yofel: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:40] <ScottK> ryanakca: Did image uploading for kubuntu.org get fixed yet?
[15:44] <yofel> ulysses: ah thanks, I didn't know I had to go to a specific release
[15:50] <bambee> don't find kdeaccessibility on quickgit.k.o :\
[15:51] <bambee> arrff it has been splitted ^^
[15:51] <yofel> fun, isn't it
[15:51] <shadeslayer> hehe
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: Quintasan did anyone of you add more questions to the poll?
[15:52] <shadeslayer> s/anyone/either one/
[15:52] <kubotu> shadeslayer meant: "yofel: Quintasan did either one of you add more questions to the poll?"
[15:52] <yofel> hm... my beta2 amd64 install test is stuck at 90% with ubiquity, jockey-text, rsyslogd and log-output hogging 2 cores
[15:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: don't think so, and I won't think about neon before the weekend
[15:52] <ScottK> Wait for it.
[15:53] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:53] <bambee> mhhh everything in the same branch... fun... xD
[15:53] <yofel> after I'm done with the backports it's neon maintenance time
[15:53] <yofel> ScottK: I've been waiting for 20 minutes so far
[15:54] <ScottK> How much RAM on the system?
[15:54] <yofel> 2GiB
[15:54] <ScottK> Weird.
[15:54] <ScottK> Maybe jockey is compiling something.
[15:55]  * shadeslayer looks at neon TODO
[15:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I did not, I think that should be enough
[15:58] <Quintasan> IF I get some ideas I will add them
[15:59] <shadeslayer> the poll is ... too small :P
[16:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: I really do not get why we need to test all this stuff really
[16:16] <apachelogger> alternate does not even differ from ubuntu's
[16:16] <ScottK> Because sometimes it works on one and not the other.
[16:17] <apachelogger> and since only the installer itself is tested all we'd needs is a test case "shows kubuntu branding"
[16:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: why is that?
[16:17] <ScottK> Dunno.
[16:17] <apachelogger> epic waste of resources that is IMHO
[16:17] <apachelogger> anywho
[16:17] <apachelogger> installing
[16:18]  * apachelogger gets more coffee meanwhile
[16:37] <didrocks> ScottK: pushing Qt? agateau tested his patch under kubuntu I guess (and it only affect when the gtk theme is selected)
[16:38] <ScottK> If he tested in KDE, then I'm fine if you go ahead.
[16:38] <didrocks> doing then
[16:53] <yofel> hm, is it just me or muon software center isn't in system settings?
[16:58] <yofel> great, and now muon-installer tells me another package management software is running while apt-get runs perfectly fine (and isn't running when I try to install something in muon)
[17:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: is it desired that the alternate rescue mode is in purple?
[17:25] <apachelogger> debfx: ping
[17:26] <debfx> apachelogger: pong
[17:26] <apachelogger> debfx: how do we do desktop file translation for own projects now?
[17:27] <apachelogger> I have a desktop file that should probably go into KDS 
[17:27] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[17:28] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck PONG
[17:28]  * apachelogger really needs a new laptop
[17:29] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Have you done the translated .POT back to .xml before?
[17:29] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck whats up?
[17:29] <debfx> I'm not sure yet, it would be interesting to know how other ubuntu projects handle that (e.g. unity-2d)
[17:29] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck nope
[17:30] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Okay. Once I get them back we'll sit down and I'll go through that with you. also, I re-worte the script for updating the .pot files from the xml. I'll do that with you too. The deadline is the 29th for that.
[17:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: we have teh 29th to the 6th of Oct to get it
[17:31] <jjesse> sounds like fun
[17:31] <jjesse> i've already made some changes in my own branch once P opens up
[17:31] <jjesse> things i didn't get done cause i'm a huge slacker
[17:32] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: awesome. Once other thing I wanted to do is update the screen-shots
[17:32] <jjesse> yeah that needs to get done, P will be LTS right?
[17:32] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: Yes.
[17:33] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I'll be pushing for no major updates in the LTS so we can do more in the docs
[17:33] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ^^^ :P:P
[17:34] <apachelogger> pfff
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:34] <apachelogger> I'll switch to opensuse
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[17:34] <apachelogger> oh great
[17:34] <apachelogger> 1 TB of prn
[17:34] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:34] <DarkwingDuck> LOL!
[17:35]  * apachelogger orders new disk on the amazones
[17:35] <DarkwingDuck> Sell it on ebay... Wonder how much that would sell for.
[17:35] <apachelogger> 5bln
[17:35] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[17:35] <ScottK> I filed a bug about that, IIRC.
[17:35] <apachelogger> ah, a bug to leave rotting :S
[17:36]  * apachelogger should go zen linux
[17:36] <jjesse> i only use hanah montana linux
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> LOL!
[17:37]  * apachelogger beats jjesse with a stick
[17:37] <apachelogger> thy shalt not use inferior software
[17:37] <apachelogger> or whas it thou
[17:37] <DarkwingDuck> I should do a Justin Beaver linux.
[17:37]  * jjesse grabs that stick and turns it into a microphone and starts singing
[17:37]  * apachelogger shrugs and filelights his prn
[17:38] <apachelogger> oh, turns out only 43gb is prn :O
[17:38] <jjesse> thats disappointing
[17:38] <apachelogger> fattest thing is a folder called Movies
[17:38] <apachelogger> might also be prn on second though
[17:38] <apachelogger> t
[17:38]  * apachelogger investigates
[17:39] <apachelogger> well, some prn
[17:39] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: You should have seen some of the collections the guys had on the ship
[17:39] <apachelogger> quantum of solace
[17:39] <apachelogger> I cant even remember what that was about
[17:39] <apachelogger> must have been a good move
[17:39] <apachelogger> shift del!
[17:40] <jjesse> quantom of sollace is james bond movie
[17:40]  * bambee wonders if one day apachelogger will watch anything else than prn with phonon
[17:40] <apachelogger> I still cannot rmember
[17:40] <apachelogger> oh
[17:40] <apachelogger> chitty chitty bang bang
[17:40] <apachelogger> epic
[17:42] <apachelogger> ah, casino royale
[17:42] <apachelogger> I remember that one, partially
[17:42] <apachelogger> it plays in a casino
[17:42] <bambee> casino royale <3, eva green <3
[17:42] <apachelogger> le fabuleux destin d'amelie poulain
[17:43] <apachelogger> I think that gets a shift del... I saw that once in german and now I can't watch it no more without getting a sick feeling
[17:43] <bambee> this movie rocks! seriously, it was made by Jean-Pierre Jeunet (alien 4)  :)
[17:43] <apachelogger> monty pyth0rn
[17:44] <apachelogger> muahahaha
[17:44]  * apachelogger starts singing
[17:44] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buqtdpuZxvk
[17:46] <apachelogger> the great escape
[17:46] <apachelogger> now that is a good movie
[17:46] <apachelogger> I think
[17:46]  * apachelogger remembers only the music
[17:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: all run once passed
[17:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[18:32] <ScottK> Who was doing strigi?
[19:24] <schnelle> hi kubuntu devs. can you pull patch for this bug to kubuntu packages: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=281804
[19:24] <schnelle> video of the bug: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPA_bC4mJl8
[19:25] <schnelle> fix will be released in kde 4.7.2 so is is not included in default oneiric packages
[19:26] <ScottK> Should be able to.
[19:27] <schnelle>  thanks :)
[19:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Could you look over -workspace and see if there are other things we should cherrypick?
[19:34] <ryanakca> ScottK: The last we discussed, Ng was going to take care of it that afternoon. I'm not sure on any progress. I'll find out.
[19:37] <ScottK> ryanakca: Thanks.
[19:38] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Find any CDs?
[19:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure if dirk had managed to actually tag 4.7.1 in git
[19:38] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: There's at least a commit that says 4.7.1.
[19:39] <ScottK> You can work forward from that.
[19:39] <bambee> kubuntu-ppa/ppa needs testing
[19:39] <bambee> it's almost done
[19:39] <ScottK> bambee: Is this the updated 4.6.5 stuff?
[19:39] <bambee> yeah
[19:39] <ScottK> Cool.
[19:40] <apachelogger> why
[19:40] <apachelogger> there is a segfault fix
[19:40] <apachelogger> f3ca7234ef4329b45bcd369aa49a70972a754302
[19:40] <bambee> I backported patches for : kdelibs, kdebase-workspace, kdeedu, kdemultimedia and kdeplasma-addons
[19:40] <ScottK> bambee: Cool.
[19:41] <apachelogger> aef5a39dc475cd5e1b2c73b2fd190e3b8aeb40b0
[19:41] <apachelogger> mem usage optimization
[19:41] <bambee> apachelogger: every important fix in KDE/4.6 for each package has been backported
[19:41] <bambee> (using quickgit.k.o)
[19:42] <ScottK> bambee: apachelogger's on 4.7.1+
[19:42] <bambee> aah
[19:42] <bambee> ok ;)
[19:42] <apachelogger> 75021be9184da93c2410b37751bb0b9fdeb5de5a
[19:42] <apachelogger> fixes kwin assert leading to black screen
[19:42] <ScottK> bambee: Take notes though, maybe you could cherrypick these and push in bzr for oneiric?
[19:43] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: ?
[19:43] <ScottK> f8d4bfbda31f3bbb43e29341a8f00411dcac4280 <-- fixes oxygen style
[19:43] <apachelogger> 1857fe0e97e59d26039b10c8770aee48361dc65d
[19:43] <apachelogger> simple signal signature fix
[19:43] <ScottK> mgraesslin: We're looking through 4.7 for post 4.7.1 changes we want since 4.7.2 is too late for us.
[19:44] <bambee> sure, but could you please put the name of the package... ? o.O
[19:44] <ScottK> bambee: kde-workspace
[19:44] <apachelogger> 6747d98264646f123b6da33f36e063eeb5f1fe4a behaviour fix ... not particularly backport worthy from a QA perspective
[19:44] <bambee> ScottK: thanks
[19:44] <apachelogger> e11273f75c020cdb3797da73b0523dbc7b0cb250 we need for tablet stuff
[19:45] <mgraesslin> ScottK: does that mean we will get for half a year again the bugs agains 4.7.1 ;-)
[19:45] <ScottK> mgraesslin: It does.
[19:45]  * bambee will save this log in a todo.txt
[19:45] <apachelogger> c3c5b1ba1777b6186f0ccb2e1c4511b975d9aa4c appearance imporvement (also not particularly interesting
[19:45] <ScottK> I argued for a later release at the last UDS and lost.
[19:46] <ScottK> mgraesslin: I got the schedule fixed for the next fall release though, so as long as KDE stays on it's normal schedule we'll release with 4.8.2/4.9.2 for the next two cycles.
[19:46] <mgraesslin> ScottK: for next time I can prepare a list of all the bugs reported against the version shipped with Kubuntu and had been fixed before the release of Kubuntu
[19:46] <apachelogger> 1b2dd9cb6b848c2b1ee46897d4c577ba637912aa actual fix for e11273f75c020cdb3797da73b0523dbc7b0cb250
[19:46] <ScottK> We're getting ready to push 4.6.5 for maverick now.
[19:47]  * apachelogger loves when a fix is not actually a fix so that it needs a fix for the fix
[19:47] <ScottK> What we really need to do is push 4.7.5 (or whatever is last) sooner.
[19:47] <apachelogger> for all I see we could just grab the entire diff between 4.7.1 and dump it into a patch....
[19:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: Sounds reasonable.
[19:48] <apachelogger> 95d3b39f29cff42ecf17fa17665ec1d3eb84415a is a bit weird though
[19:48] <bambee> into ONE patch ?
[19:48] <Quintasan> lol
[19:48]  * apachelogger has no idea what it does and the message is also no fun
[19:48] <mgraesslin> just do git format-patch
[19:49] <ScottK> Who's on digikam and strigi?
[19:49] <ScottK> I know we need those in soon.
[19:49] <ScottK> Riddell: If you have a moment, would you please accept my kde-baseapps upload.
[19:56] <bambee> euh... https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80659343/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.kdeplasma-addons_4%3A4.6.5-0ubuntu1%7Eppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz  <-- LOL ?
[19:57]  * apachelogger reminds ScottK of bug 855612
[19:57] <bambee> http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdeplasma-addons.git&a=commitdiff&h=44df71f6730ea7f54c873a4ec79ee1a980ab35d8 <-- this patch breaks building o.O
[19:57] <apachelogger> bambee: it happens
[19:58] <bambee> I know, sometimes I commit shit myself. but it's in kde/4.6 not in master
[19:58] <bambee> well, fixing
[19:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Meh.  Whatever.
[19:59] <ScottK> apachelogger: Approved.
[20:01] <apachelogger> bambee: flashdance
[20:01] <bambee> whut? lol
[20:02] <apachelogger> dud
[20:03] <apachelogger> bambee: the akonadi-facebook is missing a license copy
[20:03] <apachelogger> or multiple
[20:03] <apachelogger> at least one
[20:04] <bambee> arf
[20:04] <apachelogger> 	   <2011> Roeland Jago Douma <unix@rullzer.com>
[20:04] <apachelogger> that line has a tab
[20:04] <apachelogger> in copyright that is
[20:04] <apachelogger> and WTH does that thing builddep on webkit
[20:04] <apachelogger> what the cake
[20:05] <apachelogger> also stuff in the control exceeds 80 chars per line
[20:05] <apachelogger> also
[20:05] <apachelogger> W: akonadi-facebook source: debhelper-but-no-misc-depends libkfacebook-dev
[20:07] <apachelogger> bambee: symbols file is all diffy
[20:07] <apachelogger> also
[20:07] <apachelogger> W: libkfacebook-dev: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[20:08] <apachelogger> also
[20:08] <apachelogger> W: libkfacebook1: description-synopsis-starts-with-article
[20:08] <apachelogger> also
[20:08] <apachelogger> E: libkfacebook1: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN10NoteAddJob11qt_metacallEN11QMetaObject4CallEiPPv@Base and 481 others
[20:11] <bambee> woo!
[20:11] <bambee> o.O
[20:20] <bambee> apachelogger: I added your comments to my todolist
[20:45] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: ping
[22:05] <ScottK> Someone please update #kubuntu.
[22:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: no b2 announcement page on wiki?
[22:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: incidentially enough ... low fat is not mentioned :P
[22:33] <ScottK> apachelogger: Feel free to edit.
[22:34] <ScottK> Fixed the link on kubuntu.org
[22:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please add your lowfat here: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/OneiricOcelot/Beta2/Kubuntu
[22:49] <apachelogger> but what to write? :S
[22:49] <apachelogger> also I think kwin does not cascade window decroration style settings
[22:53] <ScottK> apachelogger: I provide the pallet.  The picture is a matter for your artistry.
[22:57] <lunarcloud> error on the website's announcement - "Kubuntu this final Beta release IS"
[22:57] <lunarcloud> sounds like yoda
[23:00]  * ScottK looks
[23:02] <ScottK> lubyou: Fixed it up a bit.
[23:04] <ScottK> errr.  That was meant for lunarcloud, who didn't stick around ...
[23:04] <apachelogger> curious fact: low-fat improves time to desktop by about 33% and mem consumption by about 32%
[23:04] <ScottK> That's worth a mention.
[23:04] <apachelogger> more interesting fact... I could probably reduce time to desktop by about 90% with a one line change :P
[23:05] <ScottK> rm -rf plasma-desktop?
[23:05] <apachelogger> no
[23:05] <apachelogger> just make plasma-desktop not wait for some dbus stuff
[23:05] <ScottK> Ah.
[23:05] <apachelogger> #X-DBUS-StartupType=wait
[23:05] <ScottK> What happens if you don't wait?
[23:06] <apachelogger> ksplash drops you to the desktop while plasma is mocking along with its blocking loading of plasmoids
[23:06] <apachelogger> useful enough krunner is not the same binary so you can use krunner from that point on IIRC
[23:06] <ScottK> I see.
[23:07] <apachelogger> 76% faster
[23:08] <ScottK> Nice
[23:08] <apachelogger> not the visually most apealing thing (i.e. if a kded fires a notification it will not be cought by plasma and thus be unthemed KDE 3 style knotify)
[23:09] <apachelogger> incidentially enough our notification helper does that for updates
[23:09] <apachelogger> we should change that
[23:09] <apachelogger> no need to check for upgradable packages at init
[23:09] <apachelogger> can easily be pushed back 60 seconds or so
[23:09] <ScottK> True.  Should wait a bit for things to settle down.
[23:10] <ScottK> If it's a surgical strike, I'd probably approve an FFe to move that.
[23:11] <apachelogger> I think we are semi-lazy already
[23:11] <apachelogger> so it would be a matter of changing a qtimer 
[23:11] <apachelogger> (IIRC)
[23:11] <apachelogger> then again I looked at the code 2 years ago last :P
[23:12] <ScottK> I think that makes you the expert.
[23:15] <claydoh> lo-fat?
[23:15] <ScottK> Yep.
[23:15] <ScottK> Uses less memory/CPU than your normal every day Kubuntu.
[23:15] <claydoh> who/what/when/where/how, the why can wait
[23:16] <claydoh> I can haz?
[23:16] <claydoh> hmm howd I miss that?
[23:17] <claydoh> do you just install on a normal system?
[23:18] <ScottK> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[23:18] <ScottK> apachelogger made it.
[23:18] <claydoh> I must kiss apachelogger 's feet or then
[23:19] <claydoh> I did try using sqlite for akonadi in place of the mysql backend, not sure that gave any improvements
[23:21] <apachelogger> claydoh: it should
[23:22] <apachelogger> actually
[23:22] <apachelogger> low-fat doesnt do that yet
[23:22] <apachelogger> (mostly because akonadi cannot be switched in a sane way)
[23:22] <claydoh> apachelogger:  I didn't look at too long, really, then did a clean install
[23:23] <claydoh> need to try that on the old laptop, if the black electrical tape holding it together is still good
[23:24] <apachelogger> well
[23:24] <apachelogger> from a user perspective it is mostly just editing a config
[23:24] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: my new laptop has gesture support in the touchpad. I can do more testing with that.
[23:24] <apachelogger> from a packaging/automation POV that is a bit of a pain in the butt though
[23:24] <DarkwingDuck> Oh, and I have a feture request from a few people in the community
[23:25] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: what are we talking about?
[23:25] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: Sorry, I read your blog on your site RE touch stuff
[23:25] <DarkwingDuck> in 11.10
[23:26] <apachelogger> ah
[23:26] <apachelogger> well
[23:26] <apachelogger> we have no UI right now
[23:26] <apachelogger> someone decided to change around the stack ^^
[23:26] <apachelogger> claydoh: you surely want to expand the beta2 wiki page a bit?
[23:26] <DarkwingDuck> touchegg
[23:26] <apachelogger> with low-fat stuff
[23:26] <apachelogger> install kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[23:27] <apachelogger> gain up to 33% improvement in login time and memory consumption
[23:27] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah
[23:27] <claydoh> apachelogger: yes, looking at it now, maybe even a blog post too this is good stuff
[23:27] <DarkwingDuck> yeah, I'll be doing that when I get my laptop next week *sigh*
[23:27] <apachelogger> takes away semantic features, ui goodness, krunner features, some background services
[23:27] <claydoh> better than kmail2 migration madness
[23:27] <apachelogger> claydoh: first the wiki page :P
[23:28] <DarkwingDuck> what krunner fetures does it pull?
[23:28] <claydoh> lemme eat and stare at accessories for my new phone
[23:28] <claydoh> looking at what the settings do, making a list
[23:29] <apachelogger> they stop the printer-applet from starting
[23:29] <claydoh> yup. looking at the config files
[23:29] <apachelogger> if you have questions...
[23:29] <claydoh> apachelogger:  will ask :)
[23:30] <apachelogger> btw, kwin style change does not work for some reason
[23:30] <apachelogger> gotta talk to martin tomorrow
[23:32] <claydoh> well it looks pretty self explanatory 
[23:33] <apachelogger> oh
[23:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: it appears the package upgarde stuff comes form muon
[23:34]  * apachelogger had thought jon the taco had learned from master apachelogger when they did the kubuntu-notification-helper
[23:35] <apachelogger>     QTimer::singleShot(0, this, SLOT(init()));
[23:36] <apachelogger> oh he did
[23:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: one line change to delay all the action of the muon kded module
[23:37] <apachelogger> we should talk to jonny tomorrow
[23:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes.  Let's have it though.
[23:37] <apachelogger> at some point :P
[23:37] <apachelogger> cool
[23:38] <apachelogger> I have copyright on the muon kded
[23:38] <apachelogger> something tells me that code is borrowed from kubuntu-notification-helper ^^
[23:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 820591
[23:54] <apachelogger> that is a completely random issue
[23:54] <apachelogger> seems to be related to graphics driver though
[23:54] <apachelogger> happens for ages
[23:54] <apachelogger> made me thinking about simply removing that feature
[23:54] <apachelogger> well
[23:54] <apachelogger> making it an option turned off by default
[23:55] <claydoh> apachelogger:  what is this for: [KDE-Global GUI Settings] GraphicEffectsLevel=0 in kdeglobals do?
[23:56] <apachelogger> claydoh: no one really knows, it apparently defines how many graphical effects a style should use
[23:56] <apachelogger> (it is the second tab in the style kcm)
[23:56] <apachelogger> influences software shadows for menus for example
[23:57] <claydoh> ok, got it thanks
[23:57] <claydoh> a setting i usually tweak myself