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Greenhey guys05:45
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orflonhello, is there a way to refresh the desktop from command line? I change the wallpaper through a script, keeping the wallpaper's name the same, but chaning the actual image, though I need something like a refresh/reload to load the new image.09:58
apandaahoi. does anyone know how to disable "autoplay" for removable media in lubuntu? i dont want the popups that ask what to do11:01
silverarrowI discoved an error in my lubuntu cd12:01
silverarrowthe one I used for installing12:02
silverarrowcd health ceck; error fund in 1 files!12:02
bioterrorwho dares to fund errors in lubuntu CD's!12:02
bioterrornow you can burn that CD again or move to USB sticks ;)12:03
silverarrowpool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel_source_5.100.8238+bdcom_0ubuntu2_38deb12:03
silverarrowi can12:04
silverarrowusb is better?12:04
bioterrorfaster, harder12:04
silverarrowlubuntu is failing on me12:04
silverarrowthe most unfortunate ways12:04
silverarrowi get "os not detected"12:05
M0hisilverarrow: you are contributing well im making people aware about the possible errors that can occur in a machine12:05
silverarroweven #hd not detected" at bootup12:05
M0hiyou are a good bug triager ;)12:05
silverarrowlol12:05
silverarrowI think bios is a bid shoddy in my laptop12:06
gentoo_drummeranyone here?12:06
gentoo_drummerhow do i change the keybinds?12:06
silverarrowbinds?12:07
gentoo_drummeris it lxde or openbox config, it's too weird theres no rc file12:07
gentoo_drummeranyone?12:08
silverarrowsorry, I'm not in lubuntu right now12:08
silverarrowI need to fix mine12:08
bioterrorgentoo_drummer, ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml12:09
bioterrorand there he goes12:09
bioterrordamn you adhd generation!12:09
bioterrormore energy drinks and candy bars12:09
silverarrowor maybe good old coffee12:10
silverarrowlol12:10
phillwbioterror: ditto, I was also just looking it up!12:11
bioterrorphillw, memorize it!12:11
silverarrowis lubuntu using LVM logical volume management?12:53
KM0201i beleive it can, but you have to use the Alt. CD, and you have to set it up... it doesn't do it by default.12:54
KM0201http://www.davelachapelle.ca/guides/ubuntu-lvm-guide/12:54
silverarrowthanks12:55
KM0201that's pretty old though12:55
silverarrowI'm trying to figure out why lubuntu hd is not detected12:55
KM0201on a new system or adding a new drive, or what?12:56
silverarrowI have a fairly new hard drive, lubuntu has behaved fine the last two months, but something has happened13:06
silverarrowbios does not detect hd, neither do I get any grub or anything at all13:07
silverarrowwhen I boot lubuntu in cd, it detects hd and lubuntu install fine13:07
silverarrowlast time lubuntu booted, all signs of hd indicated heathy drives,13:08
silverarrowis there anything I can do from the live lubuntu cd?13:10
silverarrowto sort of shake hd a bit13:10
silverarrowtell it to behave13:10
KM0201silverarrow: that sounds like a hardware issue, more than a software problem13:11
KM0201silverarrow: if the BIOS does not detect the hard drive, then this is not a linux issue.13:12
KM0201a BIOS will detect a hard drive, no matter what file system, OS, etc.. is on it.13:12
silverarrowit should13:13
silverarrowI am wondering if old bios is messing things up13:13
KM0201have you changed the BIOS since this all started?13:13
silverarroworiginal hd was 40 gb, new one is 32013:14
silverarrowno13:14
KM0201then how are you determining an "old" bios vs a "new" bios?13:14
silverarrowthere aren't any new bios for computer13:14
silverarrowit is an older latop13:14
silverarrowthat's all I mean13:14
KM0201hold on a second, you're not making any sense.13:14
KM0201so you bought a 320gig hard drive,13:15
silverarrowyes,13:15
KM0201to put in this laptop13:15
KM0201and it's not working13:15
silverarrowand it worked fine13:15
KM0201ok, it worked fine.13:15
silverarrownot right now13:15
KM0201ok, stop.13:15
bioterrordoes your computer recognize that 40GB drive?13:15
bioterrorhave you tried it?13:15
KM0201the 320gig never worked... or it worked, and now its not?13:15
bioterrorKM0201, it used to work, not it does not13:15
KM0201bioterror: i thought he said it used to work w/ the 40gig drive..13:16
silverarrowbios never detected all the 320GB, lubuntu and any os did13:16
KM0201well thre's your issue.. its the BIOS, not lubuntu13:16
bioterrorit doesnt matter13:16
silverarrowno, it worked fine with the new hd, for three months, with a grub issue at one point that got solved13:16
bioterrorall that matters is 1) grub 2) kernel 3) filesystem13:16
KM0201bioterror: but if the BIOS cannot read the detect the drive to boot 1, 2, or 3... then? (maybe i'm misunderstanding what he's saying)13:17
silverarrowI did however detect one error in my lubuntu cd today13:17
silverarrowhmm13:18
bioterrorI would try the 40GB drive13:18
bioterrorto confirm that the laptop itself is okay13:18
KM0201agree.13:18
bioterrorafter that you should use another computer to get sure that the 320GB drive is not broken13:19
silverarrowI tossed the old drive, it has bad sectors13:19
KM0201if the 320gig is attatched, and you can't see the 320gig drive in the BIOS (and it has previously worked) the only logical conclusion is the drive or the motherboard is bad.. hooking up the 40gig drive will determine which the problem is.13:19
KM0201well, there goes that ide13:19
KM0201*idea13:19
bioterroryep13:20
silverarrowI am running puppy fine from cd and save folder, frugal install, usb connected hd13:20
bioterrorgood for puppy ;)13:20
KM0201silverarrow: a usb drive has nothing to do w/ an internal drive.13:20
silverarrowtrue13:21
silverarrowbut I Thougth it would indicate motherboard is working?13:21
KM0201silverarrow: if i had to guess, since the machine seems to e running fine from a USB, the new internal drive bit the dust.13:21
silverarrowhmm13:21
silverarrowok,13:21
silverarrowneeds checking13:21
KM0201silverarrow: well, i have had situatins where a sata port was bad (thus couldn't see hard drive) but I could boot a flash drive13:22
KM0201silverarrow: regardless, doesn't really sound like a lubuntu issue...13:22
silverarrowprobably isn't hten13:22
bioterrorbut it's good to have something/someone to blame ;)13:22
KM0201what kind of drive?13:22
bioterrorthat's why I'm married13:22
silverarrowthe internal is western digital ide13:23
silverarrowweird thing is that lubuntu live cd, performs all kinds of checks in disk utility13:24
silverarrowon the internal hard drive13:24
silverarrowI don't know13:24
KM0201silverarrow: well, the one thing i can absolutely assure you, if the BIOS cannot see the drive, this is not linux related.13:27
KM0201you have a hardware issue somewhere13:27
silverarrowit looks like it13:29
silverarrowI wonder what13:29
KM0201silverarrow: hard drives are made so crappy nowdays, i would immediately suspect the hard drive.13:30
KM0201this is why it is so critical to have redundant backup devices, and why NAS's have gotten so popular13:30
silverarrownas?13:31
KM0201network attatched storage13:31
silverarrowoh, that13:31
KM0201basically a box of drives, where you can store things, set up in Raid 0, so you always have a mirror13:31
silverarrowI read about possible issue with Bios, where old drive is for example 40GB and new internal hd replacement exceeds it, then from some reason, bios is not able to detect the hd because of to narrow ability to read set of disks13:35
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Fernando_Pinhalhi... is there an LTS version of lubuntu???15:24
KM0201Fernando_Pinhal: 10.0415:26
Fernando_Pinhaldae poessoal...15:26
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Fernando_PinhalKM0201, thanx... i read somewere 10.04 isn't a LTS15:27
Fernando_Pinhalgood... I trying lubuntu 11.04... i found some bugs I dont know how to fix...15:27
KM0201so lubuntu 11.04 has bugs youd on't know how to fix, so you're gonna try 10.0415:28
Fernando_Pinhallike on the lxinput... or when I close the netbook...  it doest sleep correctly15:28
KM0201you do realize LTS has nothing to do w/ bugs.15:28
Fernando_PinhalI thouht it could offer a little help....15:29
Fernando_PinhalGez.. I wrong... lol15:29
KM0201uh, no15:30
KM0201LTS, just means it will be kept w/ security updates, for longer than the Non-LTS15:30
Fernando_Pinhalon ubuntu=br channel some guys told me that the ubuntu 10.04 could haven't some bugs...  I thought to seek the same way to solve my lubuntu 11.04 problems...15:31
Fernando_PinhalI don have a higher knowledge... some bugs I tried to fix, another ones, I trid to skip...  do you advise me to upgrade to 11.10?15:32
Fernando_PinhalCould Oneric Lancelot help me?15:32
silverarrowhi15:32
silverarrowI did some thinking15:32
KM0201Fernando_Pinhal: i wouldnot mess w/ 11.10 right now.15:33
silverarrowreloaded default settings in bios15:33
silverarrowand hd booted15:33
KM0201silverarrow: hm, interesting15:33
silverarrowI might have messed with something there, I have no idea about15:33
silverarrowI have no idea about bios in general15:33
silverarrow but really weird still15:34
Fernando_PinhalKM0201, no... not right now... I said to update, or make a clean install when 11.10 will  released...15:34
KM0201Fernando_Pinhal: well when its released, of course15:34
silverarrowI will go for a clean install, I think it might be an advantage15:35
Fernando_Pinhalgreat... thank you...15:35
silverarrowis there an pre launch of lubuntu?15:36
silverarrowlike a test version?15:36
Fernando_PinhalKM0201, I like the Lubuntu, if I can... I never go back to the lubuntu...15:37
silverarrow?15:37
Fernando_Pinhalsilverarrow, Preview like, the 10.10?15:37
KM0201silverarrow: you mean a beta?15:37
silverarrowyes15:37
KM0201there should be an 11.10 beta15:37
Fernando_PinhalThere  is one... dont?15:37
KM0201not sure where it is.15:37
silverarrowI like lubuntu too15:37
Fernando_Pinhalhttp://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1110-testing15:37
silverarrowit is light fast, and does everything15:38
silverarrowthanks15:38
Fernando_PinhalI trie  to use the Ubuntu with a LXDE... but the network manager wont connect to internet with my 3g modem...15:38
Fernando_PinhalOn the Ubuntu with LXDE I used the WVDIAL to make a internet connection... very anoyng...15:39
silverarrowI have been working a bit with puppy linux, but I think I might need a more solid thing like a buntu on the side15:39
Fernando_PinhalTHat's why I decided to use the Luubuntu... ith no configuration, I could access the internet on the network manager...15:39
silverarrowI have been wondering; is there any plans to implement softmaker in package manager?15:39
Fernando_PinhalPuppy linux I never tried... I have some mental disease that make always seek to spend minimal RAM memory15:40
silverarrowI don't plan to give up puppy either, it is nice to play with15:40
silverarrowpuppy is minimal15:40
* KM0201 hates puppy15:41
silverarrowsuper minimal is pussy-linux, related to puppy15:41
silverarrowwill run in 64MB ram15:41
Fernando_PinhalI  heard that... but isnt easy to use like  ubuntu...15:41
silverarrowpuppy should be easy15:41
Fernando_PinhalI tried also the debiann... but on a clean install I have to find everything to customize my OS... I hate it....15:42
silverarrowbut I agree, lubuntu is full hard drive install, and more stable15:42
silverarrowbugs get fixed15:42
Fernando_PinhalThereÅ› no other way... thu *buntu family is the easyest...15:42
silverarrowin puppy you sort of are on your own15:42
silverarrowwell, there are others15:42
silverarrowdebian should be all right15:42
silverarrowfedora too15:42
silverarrowI like totem in Ubuntu15:43
silverarrowbut I need compatible hard ware, or some kind of pentium i-series dual core with fast threading15:43
Fernando_PinhalSomeone tried to offer me the Mint, Linux Mint... linux mint is a brick15:44
silverarrowI never could boot mint properly15:44
Fernando_Pinhalthe RAM usage ws so high...15:44
silverarrowI tried on 4 different computers15:44
Fernando_PinhalSure??... how horrible!!15:44
silverarrowburnt several cds, verified file checksum multiple times15:45
silverarrowyes, 2 of the computers was way above recommended specs15:45
Fernando_PinhalOn the ubuntu 9.10 I found some bugs on the Fstab on the boot... it wasn't fixed... I tried hard.. so I give  up when I discovered  the 11.0415:46
silverarrowif they cannot run in 3GB and duo core 2.7GHz, something is wrong15:46
Fernando_Pinhallinux mint is horrible... the only advantage is the codecs...  the pray they run auto...15:46
silverarrowi think bugs get fixed if they get reported in a good way15:47
Fernando_PinhalI never tried to run a vieo from the Live-CD15:47
silverarrowlike understandable15:47
Fernando_PinhalSome bugs are annoying... you  think they happen olnly with you... lol15:47
silverarrowI suppose a lot is users doing stuff wroing15:48
silverarrowwrong*15:48
silverarrowthen hard ware incompatibilities15:48
Fernando_PinhalLike my linput bug.,.. WHen I tried  to change any settings on  that lines, moving riight or left... they skip  the program and exit...15:48
silverarrowor need for driver search15:48
Fernando_PinhalOuch... look for drivers is a satanic quest...15:49
silverarrowtrue, we need the heavens on our side to make stuff work15:50
Fernando_Pinhalit reminds me the microsoft...15:51
Fernando_PinhalPLUG AND PRAY!!!!15:51
silverarrowlol15:51
Fernando_Pinhalsure... lol...15:51
silverarrowI'm looking forward to next lubuntu version15:52
Fernando_PinhalYou want the beta??15:52
Fernando_PinhalDo you want the beta??15:52
silverarrowoh yes15:53
Fernando_Pinhal11.1015:53
Fernando_PinhalThe current test version. This section is dedicated to the development version of Lubuntu. As with all alphas and non-stable betas they are not suitable for a production environment. For more details please see the section in our wiki for developers.15:53
Fernando_PinhalThis  information I foun on the getlubuntu page...15:53
Fernando_Pinhalhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.1015:54
Fernando_PinhalThere...  deep on the botton of the page...15:54
Fernando_PinhalI like to test some  news... I love beta programs... I used Windows half of my life...15:55
silverarrowthere are people running ubuntu on computers with 1GB ram and 1.5GHz cpu15:55
silverarrowI could not run ubuntu at all, at least not totem15:55
Fernando_PinhalMy netbook has 2 gb RAM, Aton N270 processor...15:55
silverarrowcpu ran on 100% all the time15:55
silverarrowshould in theory be fine with any buntu15:55
Fernando_Pinhalits true... but I told you... I hate hgher memmory usage ranks...15:56
silverarrowit must be something with drivers and hard ware incompatibility that makes Ubuntu so sluggish on some systems15:56
Fernando_PinhalI like to order to shut  down... and see my computer shutting down... not see... "wait... shuntting down... dont turn off your computer..."15:57
silverarrowI'm going to try clean debian too15:58
Fernando_PinhalIncompatibility... I  saw it only on win modens... e another "windows hrdware"15:58
silverarrowwith mplayer/gecko, and softmaker office15:58
silverarrowI'm not shore how I will add the rest15:58
Fernando_PinhalThe clean Deabian only works good if  you have a broadband connection all the time...15:59
silverarrowI wonder how many would dare gentoo15:59
Fernando_Pinhalthe clean  ebian hasnt installed even the "usbutils"15:59
Fernando_PinhalGentoo are nice penguins... have you saw Mr Poopers Penguins???16:00
Fernando_Pinhallol16:00
silverarrowno16:00
Fernando_Pinhaltheyre cute...16:01
Fernando_Pinhalshame that it does not help16:01
silverarrowI suppose we have to stick with a distro and get to know it well16:02
silverarrowI sort of need two to get the picture16:02
Fernando_PinhalMan... I have to go back to work...16:02
Fernando_Pinhalgood luk for you...16:02
silverarrowhave a fine day16:02
silverarrowthanks16:02
silverarrowyoiu too16:02
silverarrowI still have my mplayer/gecko plugin issue16:05
silverarrowit is messed up16:05
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apandals19:07
revloumAnyone home?22:02
revloumBuilding Lubuntu machine for g-ddaughter....can't find Nic22:03
KM0201can't find it?22:03
revloumWell....I can't CONFIGURE it...22:03
revloumI "see" auto eth022:03
KM0201so it wasn't auto-detected i take it?22:03
revloumI'm not SURE...after about two full days of staring at different Ubugeek fora, I'm about blind22:04
KM0201ok, well, is the machine in front of you now, or do you have to boot into it?22:04
revloum(I am an MCSE and use SEVERAL different distros...)22:05
revloumIt's behind me22:05
KM0201well, how does lspci identify the device?22:05
revloumhelp me get that far, please..22:05
KM0201you use several distros, and you don't know what lspci is?22:05
KM0201open a terminal.22:06
revloumNo.  I am a COMPLETE Linux newb.  three months worth.22:06
revloumk22:06
KM0201i thought you were an MSCE and use several distros?22:06
KM0201anyway, type "lspci" no quotes, and hit enter22:06
KM0201find your ethernet device in the list, and tell me what it says.22:06
revloumNo...I KNOW what it IS, just not how to get there.  Haven't used ANY CLI in AGES22:06
revloumWell...it SAYS command not found.22:07
revloumYes, I ran sudo22:07
KM0201why did you run sudo?22:08
revloummy bad...typo22:08
KM0201i think the main thing, is you need to listen, rather than trying to improvise, if you just immediately threw sudo in front of that command, it's no wonder you got nowhere googling for instructions22:08
revloumBecause it asked for my sudo PW22:09
KM0201because you typed sudo22:09
KM0201you didn't need sudo in front of lspci22:09
revloumNo, It asked for it when I typed the command....maybe because the term window was already open?22:09
KM0201well, no it didn't, but.. ok22:10
KM0201not if yout yped what i told you, but... like i said, thats irrelevant22:10
KM0201find yor ethernet controller in the list22:10
revloumOkay.  It shows the NIC22:10
KM0201whats it say22:10
revloumCorrectly identified22:10
revloum"National semiconductor 83815...etc'22:11
KM0201what does it say?22:11
KM0201... forget it22:11
KM0201best of luck22:11
revloumWhat?22:11
revloumI just said it showed up as what it is?22:11
KM0201i'll just comment, t hen you can ponder your answers... do you thin   ....? tells me anything?22:11
revloumOh.  Okay.  Gimme a sec to get the rest.  I thought you were looking to see if it was IN there...22:12
revloum"National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (Macphyter) Ethernet controller"22:13
revloumI got my MCSE in W9.x.  Fifteen years ago.  I started doing linux as a hobby since I became disabled.  I am really loading Lub. as a way to upgrade to edubuntu for my 7 year old g-ddaughter.  I can't find a version of Edu that's early enoug to go on a machine with "limited resources"(11.04 will NOT run)22:19
revloumI never worked in IT.  The jobs they promised never materialized.  I neve considered myself any good at this, but I thought I was having fun.  Just like the masthead at DistroWatch says.22:20
revloum"Put the FUN back into computing".22:21
revloumThe machine I am logged into is Peppermint.  I have a Sabayon running in the next room.  I have a puppy (Lucid) waiting to "play with".22:22
revloumSo, please reconsider lending a hand.22:22
revloumEven if you know a place where I CAN d/l a copy of Edu 10.04....22:24
revloum(or even 9.)22:24
KM0201just googling that device, it looks like its not supported in older versions, 11.04, it seems to be.22:24
revloumI have other cards.  Do you think it will help?22:26
revloumCan you direct me to a list?22:26
revloumThe machine in question is an old promax 600 MHz box with half a gig of ram22:27
Unit193What's the issue? I'm scrolling up now22:28
revloumUnsupported NIC22:28
revloumI think22:28
revloumRather...we think.22:29
revloumThe actual issue is money, I suppose.  If I could, I'd pop on down to the store and get her a shiny new one...22:29
Unit193What's it give you when you do   sudo dhclient eth0  ?22:32
revloumstill scrolling...22:33
revloumListening on LPF ETH0 and the MAC address.22:35
revloumSend on same22:35
revloumsend on socket fallback22:35
revloumNo working leases22:35
revloumNo DHCP offers22:37
revloumIn persistent D/B22:37
revloumI have an IBM with an Intel chip on it22:39
phillwrevloum: does http://edubuntu.org/news/10.04-release not have it?22:39
revloumAnd another odd-triangular shaped one...both PCI22:39
revloumIll look....everywhere else I have looked points back to 11.0422:40
phillwrevloum: if it does not, I'll ask them. 10.04 was the last release to support older computers, as it is an LTS, it should still be there?22:41
revloumYou're right, phillw.  It's there.  Thanks!22:42
revloumBUT....will it give me the same headache?22:42
phillwrevloum: your're welcome :)22:42
revloumI hope it loads with Unetbootin.  I have run myself completely out of blank CDs...22:43
phillwrevloum: if it does, head over to http://edubuntu.org/community it has all the contact details :)22:44
revloumI meant the unsupported NIC...22:45
revloumThat has been driving me a tad nuts for a couple of days and my old eyes out of my skull...22:45
phillwrevloum: you may need also to have a look / post a question on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=33622:46
revloumI want to thank you all for your help.  I actuall LIKE Lubuntu, (or, what I have seen of it.  I may just pop another HDD in her machine and keep this HDD for ME!22:46
revloum(never did much with the Ubu distros before.  Maybe it's time I tried them...)22:47
Unit193The liveCD/USB should work with the nic as well as the install22:48
revloumSo.  I'll save this channel.  Maybe I can annoy all of you again real soon!22:48
phillwrevloum: Lubuntu is a small team, you will better your chance on the main forum, but please use the tag as to which flavour of ubuntu you are asking about :)22:48
Unit193There is also #edubuntu if you need support for that22:48
revloumKMo2 said it seemed to be an unsup card. until 11.0422:49
revloumGreat.  Thanks again, all.  I need a 10-100 break.  Have a GREAT one!22:49
Fudgelol 10 10023:51
Unit193When you gotta go...23:52

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