=== P4R4N01D1 is now known as P4R4N01D === Freejack is now known as Guest3232 [05:45] hey guys [05:45] anyone here/ [05:45] ? === Freejack is now known as Guest15122 [09:58] hello, is there a way to refresh the desktop from command line? I change the wallpaper through a script, keeping the wallpaper's name the same, but chaning the actual image, though I need something like a refresh/reload to load the new image. [11:01] ahoi. does anyone know how to disable "autoplay" for removable media in lubuntu? i dont want the popups that ask what to do [12:01] I discoved an error in my lubuntu cd [12:02] the one I used for installing [12:02] cd health ceck; error fund in 1 files! [12:02] who dares to fund errors in lubuntu CD's! [12:03] now you can burn that CD again or move to USB sticks ;) [12:03] pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel_source_5.100.8238+bdcom_0ubuntu2_38deb [12:04] i can [12:04] usb is better? [12:04] faster, harder [12:04] lubuntu is failing on me [12:04] the most unfortunate ways [12:05] i get "os not detected" [12:05] silverarrow: you are contributing well im making people aware about the possible errors that can occur in a machine [12:05] even #hd not detected" at bootup [12:05] you are a good bug triager ;) [12:05] lol [12:06] I think bios is a bid shoddy in my laptop [12:06] anyone here? [12:06] how do i change the keybinds? [12:07] binds? [12:07] is it lxde or openbox config, it's too weird theres no rc file [12:08] anyone? [12:08] sorry, I'm not in lubuntu right now [12:08] I need to fix mine [12:09] gentoo_drummer, ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml [12:09] and there he goes [12:09] damn you adhd generation! [12:09] more energy drinks and candy bars [12:10] or maybe good old coffee [12:10] lol [12:11] bioterror: ditto, I was also just looking it up! [12:11] phillw, memorize it! [12:53] is lubuntu using LVM logical volume management? [12:54] i beleive it can, but you have to use the Alt. CD, and you have to set it up... it doesn't do it by default. [12:54] http://www.davelachapelle.ca/guides/ubuntu-lvm-guide/ [12:55] thanks [12:55] that's pretty old though [12:55] I'm trying to figure out why lubuntu hd is not detected [12:56] on a new system or adding a new drive, or what? [13:06] I have a fairly new hard drive, lubuntu has behaved fine the last two months, but something has happened [13:07] bios does not detect hd, neither do I get any grub or anything at all [13:07] when I boot lubuntu in cd, it detects hd and lubuntu install fine [13:08] last time lubuntu booted, all signs of hd indicated heathy drives, [13:10] is there anything I can do from the live lubuntu cd? [13:10] to sort of shake hd a bit [13:10] tell it to behave [13:11] silverarrow: that sounds like a hardware issue, more than a software problem [13:12] silverarrow: if the BIOS does not detect the hard drive, then this is not a linux issue. [13:12] a BIOS will detect a hard drive, no matter what file system, OS, etc.. is on it. [13:13] it should [13:13] I am wondering if old bios is messing things up [13:13] have you changed the BIOS since this all started? [13:14] original hd was 40 gb, new one is 320 [13:14] no [13:14] then how are you determining an "old" bios vs a "new" bios? [13:14] there aren't any new bios for computer [13:14] it is an older latop [13:14] that's all I mean [13:14] hold on a second, you're not making any sense. [13:15] so you bought a 320gig hard drive, [13:15] yes, [13:15] to put in this laptop [13:15] and it's not working [13:15] and it worked fine [13:15] ok, it worked fine. [13:15] not right now [13:15] ok, stop. [13:15] does your computer recognize that 40GB drive? [13:15] have you tried it? [13:15] the 320gig never worked... or it worked, and now its not? [13:15] KM0201, it used to work, not it does not [13:16] bioterror: i thought he said it used to work w/ the 40gig drive.. [13:16] bios never detected all the 320GB, lubuntu and any os did [13:16] well thre's your issue.. its the BIOS, not lubuntu [13:16] it doesnt matter [13:16] no, it worked fine with the new hd, for three months, with a grub issue at one point that got solved [13:16] all that matters is 1) grub 2) kernel 3) filesystem [13:17] bioterror: but if the BIOS cannot read the detect the drive to boot 1, 2, or 3... then? (maybe i'm misunderstanding what he's saying) [13:17] I did however detect one error in my lubuntu cd today [13:18] hmm [13:18] I would try the 40GB drive [13:18] to confirm that the laptop itself is okay [13:18] agree. [13:19] after that you should use another computer to get sure that the 320GB drive is not broken [13:19] I tossed the old drive, it has bad sectors [13:19] if the 320gig is attatched, and you can't see the 320gig drive in the BIOS (and it has previously worked) the only logical conclusion is the drive or the motherboard is bad.. hooking up the 40gig drive will determine which the problem is. [13:19] well, there goes that ide [13:19] *idea [13:20] yep [13:20] I am running puppy fine from cd and save folder, frugal install, usb connected hd [13:20] good for puppy ;) [13:20] silverarrow: a usb drive has nothing to do w/ an internal drive. [13:21] true [13:21] but I Thougth it would indicate motherboard is working? [13:21] silverarrow: if i had to guess, since the machine seems to e running fine from a USB, the new internal drive bit the dust. [13:21] hmm [13:21] ok, [13:21] needs checking [13:22] silverarrow: well, i have had situatins where a sata port was bad (thus couldn't see hard drive) but I could boot a flash drive [13:22] silverarrow: regardless, doesn't really sound like a lubuntu issue... [13:22] probably isn't hten [13:22] but it's good to have something/someone to blame ;) [13:22] what kind of drive? [13:22] that's why I'm married [13:23] the internal is western digital ide [13:24] weird thing is that lubuntu live cd, performs all kinds of checks in disk utility [13:24] on the internal hard drive [13:24] I don't know [13:27] silverarrow: well, the one thing i can absolutely assure you, if the BIOS cannot see the drive, this is not linux related. [13:27] you have a hardware issue somewhere [13:29] it looks like it [13:29] I wonder what [13:30] silverarrow: hard drives are made so crappy nowdays, i would immediately suspect the hard drive. [13:30] this is why it is so critical to have redundant backup devices, and why NAS's have gotten so popular [13:31] nas? [13:31] network attatched storage [13:31] oh, that [13:31] basically a box of drives, where you can store things, set up in Raid 0, so you always have a mirror [13:35] I read about possible issue with Bios, where old drive is for example 40GB and new internal hd replacement exceeds it, then from some reason, bios is not able to detect the hd because of to narrow ability to read set of disks === macer1-zlyklon is now known as macer1 [15:24] hi... is there an LTS version of lubuntu??? [15:26] Fernando_Pinhal: 10.04 [15:26] dae poessoal... === eyes_ is now known as EyesIsServer [15:27] KM0201, thanx... i read somewere 10.04 isn't a LTS [15:27] good... I trying lubuntu 11.04... i found some bugs I dont know how to fix... [15:28] so lubuntu 11.04 has bugs youd on't know how to fix, so you're gonna try 10.04 [15:28] like on the lxinput... or when I close the netbook... it doest sleep correctly [15:28] you do realize LTS has nothing to do w/ bugs. [15:29] I thouht it could offer a little help.... [15:29] Gez.. I wrong... lol [15:30] uh, no [15:30] LTS, just means it will be kept w/ security updates, for longer than the Non-LTS [15:31] on ubuntu=br channel some guys told me that the ubuntu 10.04 could haven't some bugs... I thought to seek the same way to solve my lubuntu 11.04 problems... [15:32] I don have a higher knowledge... some bugs I tried to fix, another ones, I trid to skip... do you advise me to upgrade to 11.10? [15:32] Could Oneric Lancelot help me? [15:32] hi [15:32] I did some thinking [15:33] Fernando_Pinhal: i wouldnot mess w/ 11.10 right now. [15:33] reloaded default settings in bios [15:33] and hd booted [15:33] silverarrow: hm, interesting [15:33] I might have messed with something there, I have no idea about [15:33] I have no idea about bios in general [15:34] but really weird still [15:34] KM0201, no... not right now... I said to update, or make a clean install when 11.10 will released... [15:34] Fernando_Pinhal: well when its released, of course [15:35] I will go for a clean install, I think it might be an advantage [15:35] great... thank you... [15:36] is there an pre launch of lubuntu? [15:36] like a test version? [15:37] KM0201, I like the Lubuntu, if I can... I never go back to the lubuntu... [15:37] ? [15:37] silverarrow, Preview like, the 10.10? [15:37] silverarrow: you mean a beta? [15:37] yes [15:37] there should be an 11.10 beta [15:37] There is one... dont? [15:37] not sure where it is. [15:37] I like lubuntu too [15:37] http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-1110-testing [15:38] it is light fast, and does everything [15:38] thanks [15:38] I trie to use the Ubuntu with a LXDE... but the network manager wont connect to internet with my 3g modem... [15:39] On the Ubuntu with LXDE I used the WVDIAL to make a internet connection... very anoyng... [15:39] I have been working a bit with puppy linux, but I think I might need a more solid thing like a buntu on the side [15:39] THat's why I decided to use the Luubuntu... ith no configuration, I could access the internet on the network manager... [15:39] I have been wondering; is there any plans to implement softmaker in package manager? [15:40] Puppy linux I never tried... I have some mental disease that make always seek to spend minimal RAM memory [15:40] I don't plan to give up puppy either, it is nice to play with [15:40] puppy is minimal [15:41] * KM0201 hates puppy [15:41] super minimal is pussy-linux, related to puppy [15:41] will run in 64MB ram [15:41] I heard that... but isnt easy to use like ubuntu... [15:41] puppy should be easy [15:42] I tried also the debiann... but on a clean install I have to find everything to customize my OS... I hate it.... [15:42] but I agree, lubuntu is full hard drive install, and more stable [15:42] bugs get fixed [15:42] Thereś no other way... thu *buntu family is the easyest... [15:42] in puppy you sort of are on your own [15:42] well, there are others [15:42] debian should be all right [15:42] fedora too [15:43] I like totem in Ubuntu [15:43] but I need compatible hard ware, or some kind of pentium i-series dual core with fast threading [15:44] Someone tried to offer me the Mint, Linux Mint... linux mint is a brick [15:44] I never could boot mint properly [15:44] the RAM usage ws so high... [15:44] I tried on 4 different computers [15:44] Sure??... how horrible!! [15:45] burnt several cds, verified file checksum multiple times [15:45] yes, 2 of the computers was way above recommended specs [15:46] On the ubuntu 9.10 I found some bugs on the Fstab on the boot... it wasn't fixed... I tried hard.. so I give up when I discovered the 11.04 [15:46] if they cannot run in 3GB and duo core 2.7GHz, something is wrong [15:46] linux mint is horrible... the only advantage is the codecs... the pray they run auto... [15:47] i think bugs get fixed if they get reported in a good way [15:47] I never tried to run a vieo from the Live-CD [15:47] like understandable [15:47] Some bugs are annoying... you think they happen olnly with you... lol [15:48] I suppose a lot is users doing stuff wroing [15:48] wrong* [15:48] then hard ware incompatibilities [15:48] Like my linput bug.,.. WHen I tried to change any settings on that lines, moving riight or left... they skip the program and exit... [15:48] or need for driver search [15:49] Ouch... look for drivers is a satanic quest... [15:50] true, we need the heavens on our side to make stuff work [15:51] it reminds me the microsoft... [15:51] PLUG AND PRAY!!!! [15:51] lol [15:51] sure... lol... [15:52] I'm looking forward to next lubuntu version [15:52] You want the beta?? [15:52] Do you want the beta?? [15:53] oh yes [15:53] 11.10 [15:53] The current test version. This section is dedicated to the development version of Lubuntu. As with all alphas and non-stable betas they are not suitable for a production environment. For more details please see the section in our wiki for developers. [15:53] This information I foun on the getlubuntu page... [15:54] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu#A11.10 [15:54] There... deep on the botton of the page... [15:55] I like to test some news... I love beta programs... I used Windows half of my life... [15:55] there are people running ubuntu on computers with 1GB ram and 1.5GHz cpu [15:55] I could not run ubuntu at all, at least not totem [15:55] My netbook has 2 gb RAM, Aton N270 processor... [15:55] cpu ran on 100% all the time [15:55] should in theory be fine with any buntu [15:56] its true... but I told you... I hate hgher memmory usage ranks... [15:56] it must be something with drivers and hard ware incompatibility that makes Ubuntu so sluggish on some systems [15:57] I like to order to shut down... and see my computer shutting down... not see... "wait... shuntting down... dont turn off your computer..." [15:58] I'm going to try clean debian too [15:58] Incompatibility... I saw it only on win modens... e another "windows hrdware" [15:58] with mplayer/gecko, and softmaker office [15:58] I'm not shore how I will add the rest [15:59] The clean Deabian only works good if you have a broadband connection all the time... [15:59] I wonder how many would dare gentoo [15:59] the clean ebian hasnt installed even the "usbutils" [16:00] Gentoo are nice penguins... have you saw Mr Poopers Penguins??? [16:00] lol [16:00] no [16:01] theyre cute... [16:01] shame that it does not help [16:02] I suppose we have to stick with a distro and get to know it well [16:02] I sort of need two to get the picture [16:02] Man... I have to go back to work... [16:02] good luk for you... [16:02] have a fine day [16:02] thanks [16:02] yoiu too [16:05] I still have my mplayer/gecko plugin issue [16:05] it is messed up === bodhizazen is now known as bodhi_zazen === macer1-zlyklon is now known as macer1 [19:07] ls [22:02] Anyone home? [22:03] Building Lubuntu machine for g-ddaughter....can't find Nic [22:03] can't find it? [22:03] Well....I can't CONFIGURE it... [22:03] I "see" auto eth0 [22:03] so it wasn't auto-detected i take it? [22:04] I'm not SURE...after about two full days of staring at different Ubugeek fora, I'm about blind [22:04] ok, well, is the machine in front of you now, or do you have to boot into it? [22:05] (I am an MCSE and use SEVERAL different distros...) [22:05] It's behind me [22:05] well, how does lspci identify the device? [22:05] help me get that far, please.. [22:05] you use several distros, and you don't know what lspci is? [22:06] open a terminal. [22:06] No. I am a COMPLETE Linux newb. three months worth. [22:06] k [22:06] i thought you were an MSCE and use several distros? [22:06] anyway, type "lspci" no quotes, and hit enter [22:06] find your ethernet device in the list, and tell me what it says. [22:06] No...I KNOW what it IS, just not how to get there. Haven't used ANY CLI in AGES [22:07] Well...it SAYS command not found. [22:07] Yes, I ran sudo [22:08] why did you run sudo? [22:08] my bad...typo [22:08] i think the main thing, is you need to listen, rather than trying to improvise, if you just immediately threw sudo in front of that command, it's no wonder you got nowhere googling for instructions [22:09] Because it asked for my sudo PW [22:09] because you typed sudo [22:09] you didn't need sudo in front of lspci [22:09] No, It asked for it when I typed the command....maybe because the term window was already open? [22:10] well, no it didn't, but.. ok [22:10] not if yout yped what i told you, but... like i said, thats irrelevant [22:10] find yor ethernet controller in the list [22:10] Okay. It shows the NIC [22:10] whats it say [22:10] Correctly identified [22:11] "National semiconductor 83815...etc' [22:11] what does it say? [22:11] ... forget it [22:11] best of luck [22:11] What? [22:11] I just said it showed up as what it is? [22:11] i'll just comment, t hen you can ponder your answers... do you thin ....? tells me anything? [22:12] Oh. Okay. Gimme a sec to get the rest. I thought you were looking to see if it was IN there... [22:13] "National Semiconductor Corporation DP83815 (Macphyter) Ethernet controller" [22:19] I got my MCSE in W9.x. Fifteen years ago. I started doing linux as a hobby since I became disabled. I am really loading Lub. as a way to upgrade to edubuntu for my 7 year old g-ddaughter. I can't find a version of Edu that's early enoug to go on a machine with "limited resources"(11.04 will NOT run) [22:20] I never worked in IT. The jobs they promised never materialized. I neve considered myself any good at this, but I thought I was having fun. Just like the masthead at DistroWatch says. [22:21] "Put the FUN back into computing". [22:22] The machine I am logged into is Peppermint. I have a Sabayon running in the next room. I have a puppy (Lucid) waiting to "play with". [22:22] So, please reconsider lending a hand. [22:24] Even if you know a place where I CAN d/l a copy of Edu 10.04.... [22:24] (or even 9.) [22:24] just googling that device, it looks like its not supported in older versions, 11.04, it seems to be. [22:26] I have other cards. Do you think it will help? [22:26] Can you direct me to a list? [22:27] The machine in question is an old promax 600 MHz box with half a gig of ram [22:28] What's the issue? I'm scrolling up now [22:28] Unsupported NIC [22:28] I think [22:29] Rather...we think. [22:29] The actual issue is money, I suppose. If I could, I'd pop on down to the store and get her a shiny new one... [22:32] What's it give you when you do sudo dhclient eth0 ? [22:33] still scrolling... [22:35] Listening on LPF ETH0 and the MAC address. [22:35] Send on same [22:35] send on socket fallback [22:35] No working leases [22:37] No DHCP offers [22:37] In persistent D/B [22:39] I have an IBM with an Intel chip on it [22:39] revloum: does http://edubuntu.org/news/10.04-release not have it? [22:39] And another odd-triangular shaped one...both PCI [22:40] Ill look....everywhere else I have looked points back to 11.04 [22:41] revloum: if it does not, I'll ask them. 10.04 was the last release to support older computers, as it is an LTS, it should still be there? [22:42] You're right, phillw. It's there. Thanks! [22:42] BUT....will it give me the same headache? [22:42] revloum: your're welcome :) [22:43] I hope it loads with Unetbootin. I have run myself completely out of blank CDs... [22:44] revloum: if it does, head over to http://edubuntu.org/community it has all the contact details :) [22:45] I meant the unsupported NIC... [22:45] That has been driving me a tad nuts for a couple of days and my old eyes out of my skull... [22:46] revloum: you may need also to have a look / post a question on http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336 [22:46] I want to thank you all for your help. I actuall LIKE Lubuntu, (or, what I have seen of it. I may just pop another HDD in her machine and keep this HDD for ME! [22:47] (never did much with the Ubu distros before. Maybe it's time I tried them...) [22:48] The liveCD/USB should work with the nic as well as the install [22:48] So. I'll save this channel. Maybe I can annoy all of you again real soon! [22:48] revloum: Lubuntu is a small team, you will better your chance on the main forum, but please use the tag as to which flavour of ubuntu you are asking about :) [22:48] There is also #edubuntu if you need support for that [22:49] KMo2 said it seemed to be an unsup card. until 11.04 [22:49] Great. Thanks again, all. I need a 10-100 break. Have a GREAT one! [23:51] lol 10 100 [23:52] When you gotta go...