[00:00] <urlin2u> boot the windows and take a screenshot of the disc partitioner in windows and imagbin it.
[00:01] <urlin2u> http://imagebin.org/index.php?page=add
[00:01] <GreekFreak> k gimme a sec
[00:05] <GreekFreak> http://imagebin.org/173472
[00:07] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, shows a correct unallocated, is this after you removed the xfat
[00:08] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: basically I formatted it (slow) so I can make sure all is deleted, and the deleted the partition
[00:09] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, just now before posting the the image?
[00:09] <GreekFreak> no no
[00:09] <GreekFreak> this afternoon
[00:09] <GreekFreak> it has been like this since before we fixed windows loading
[00:10] <GreekFreak> urlin2u: that was the reason everything went haywire
[00:11] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, hmm, seems to be the graphics card then. It is as it should be for a install to free space. You n=moight try the alternative download or even oneiric
[00:12] <GreekFreak> is oneiric stable enough?
[00:12] <GreekFreak> I can't inderstand why iot worked before and no it doesn't?
[00:12] <rww> if you have to ask, the answer's no
[00:12] <GreekFreak> rww: lol
[00:12] <urlin2u> might*    not sure really, other than the graphics GreekFreak , but this is not my strongest area, overall.  Oneiric is in development .
[00:14] <GreekFreak> I'm gonna try reformat the drive into something else and try again. you said I shouldn't do it in FAT. is NTFS ok?
[00:14] <urlin2u> rww, do you have any other options as far as booting a disc or thumb, I have had little problems here myself, so I have not really paid much attention to all the psooibilities that can be used.
[00:14] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, the partitioning is not the problem, and no NTFS
[00:14] <GreekFreak> ok
[00:16] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, did you reformat the thumb before loading it with the startup disc creator. Before you used unetbootin twice without reformatting.
[00:17] <GreekFreak> no I reformatted into FAT32 every time
[00:17] <GreekFreak> including the UNetbootin times
[00:17] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, cool, to me it seems like a graphic problem, if it was me I would download the alternative, and try .that
[00:19] <GreekFreak> ok I'll gibe it a try
[00:19] <GreekFreak> I found this, but it also needs me to go into the Live http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1842667
[00:19] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, hope it works if you get installed try the xswat ppa
[00:19] <GreekFreak> thanks I will
[00:21] <urlin2u> GreekFreak, that link is for a actual install not boot and it is a wubi problem, so not sure it is relevent, other the=an the error .
[00:21] <urlin2u> than*
[00:21] <GreekFreak> k thanks
[00:23] <GreekFreak> thanks again for your help guys
[01:00] <facebump> I am having some problems with my synaptic touchpad, it works for a minute or 2 after boot, but then stops.  I can still use a usb mouse
[01:01] <facebump> I found lots of people with touchpads that dont work, but none that stopped working
[01:05] <facebump> I am on 11.10 beta 1
[01:14] <ironhalik> Hello
[01:15] <ironhalik> is beta 2 out? It was supposed to be out about now :>
[01:16] <urlin2u> ironhalik, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[01:16] <ironhalik> well, yeah, thx
[01:16] <ironhalik> but the schedule is not precise enough :P
[01:17] <urlin2u> lol
[01:17] <urlin2u> tomorrow depends on the mirror
[01:17] <ironhalik> also, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-2
[01:17] <ironhalik> launchpad claims it should be out somewhat now
[01:17] <ironhalik> at least to be expected
[01:18] <urlin2u> 22nd utc I beleve
[01:18] <urlin2u> believe*
[01:18] <ironhalik> im nagging it coz my natty install just went to hell
[01:18] <ironhalik> and I wanted to try oneiric
[01:18] <urlin2u> and you think oneiric is the answer.
[01:19] <ironhalik> well, maybe not the answer ;>
[01:19] <urlin2u> whats wrong with the natty?
[01:19] <ironhalik> but Ive got a choice between reinstalling natty or trying oneiric
[01:19] <urlin2u> what's
[01:19] <ironhalik> well, natty lost half of its configs, its themes, some apps wont launch (like nautilus)
[01:19] <ironhalik> and aptitude is broken
[01:20] <urlin2u> ironhalik, any reason why?
[01:20] <urlin2u> tweaking and such is the question
[01:20] <ironhalik> no idea tbh, I updated some packages, rebooted and it booted like this
[01:20] <urlin2u> ironhalik, did you rebot it again?
[01:20] <urlin2u> reboot
[01:21] <ironhalik> I didn't tweak any stuff
[01:21] <ironhalik> and ofcoz I rebooted :P
[01:21] <ironhalik> With some effors, its prolly recoverable
[01:21] <ironhalik> effort*
[01:21] <ironhalik> but with my linux skills and lack of time, naah :P
[01:22] <urlin2u> ironhalik, I have had natty do that on occasion as far as themes but a reboot helped sounds like you have tried
[01:22] <ironhalik> Well, I cant even access the appearence config tool coz it crashes
[01:22] <ironhalik> GDM lost its theme too
[01:23] <urlin2u> ironhalik, have you tried unity --reset
[01:23] <ironhalik> uh, nope
[01:23] <ironhalik> sec :>
[01:23] <urlin2u> tha will set unity back to install, and keep your stuff
[01:23] <urlin2u> that
[01:24] <ironhalik> uh, dunno what to say
[01:24] <ironhalik> something happened, but considering Im on ubuntu classic right now its hard to say :>
[01:24] <ironhalik> its still al grey :>
[01:25] <urlin2u> ironhalik, if you ran that reboot and see if it has worked.
[01:25] <ironhalik> yeah, Ill try that
[01:26] <ironhalik> right now Ive got unique mix of classic gnome layout and the unity one :>
[01:26] <ironhalik> brb
[01:29] <ironhalik> well, ni change :>
[01:29] <ironhalik> but it does not matter
[01:30] <ironhalik> I can watch media with totem via terminal ;> and chrome works too
[01:30] <ironhalik> so I can manage till beta2 of oneiric
[01:30] <ironhalik> thx for the effort
[02:31] <itaylor57> KM0201, o/
[02:31] <KM0201> itaylor57: o/
[04:27] <nathanel> hello
[04:29] <nathanel> question: i own an mx340 for which canon provides only i386 prebuilt packages... i am having issues with broken installs now bc of of unspecified dependencies or new package names ... i have ia32-libs installed to no effect... how could i attempt to solve?
[06:50] <vega-> why does ¤#& dash open automatically when i switch workspace? really annoying
[06:50] <vega-> and it doesn't do it consistently every time
[06:51] <jbicha> vega-: the dash shows when there is nothing covering any part of it
[06:52] <vega-> on that workspace i have chrome maximized
[06:53] <vega-> which means i have to get rid of dash every time before using chrome
[06:53] <jbicha> oh, never mind I was confused with the launcher
[06:53] <vega-> also, the whole desktop is extremely slow
[06:54] <vega-> xorg and compiz using almost all of one core at any time
[06:57] <vega-> somehow it seems to only happen when switching to desktop 2 ( alt-f2) but never to others
[06:57] <vega-> something wrong with keyboard shortcuts?
[07:22] <jo-erlend> are there known issues with PulseAudio now?
[07:23] <jeepkid> 有人在么,请教个xubuntu11.10Alternate的问题..
[07:23] <jo-erlend> I just reinstalled oneiric, and I can no longer use my first soundcard, only the second one.
[07:24] <jeepkid> someone can help me about xubuntu11.10Alternate install with hd-media?
[07:27] <jeepkid> i can`t use the vmlinuz & initrd.gz install the xubuntu 11.10alternate...
[07:38] <karlhunt> Having these weird slow donw issues on oneric. Got a sandy bridge chipset. Weird thig is ive notices if i pull the charger out it speeds back up!!!!
[07:39] <jo-erlend> interesting. I also feel that oneiric is slow, but I'm running a desktop.
[07:43] <karlhunt> When I say slow down i mean the mouse doesnt move where i want it to
[07:43] <karlhunt> just a few pixels in that direction
[07:44] <jo-erlend> does it help to press esc?
[07:45] <karlhunt> no why would that help?
[07:45] <vega-> funny, unity seems a lot more responsive without my external monitor
[07:45] <jo-erlend> because it does here.
[07:50] <karlhunt> its not so much that is slow Oneric is much faster than natty on my machine
[07:50] <karlhunt> but sometimes it slows tight down
[07:51] <karlhunt> right
[07:51] <karlhunt> if i unplug the power cord it speeds up and if i plug it in again it slows down I think its compiz
[07:56] <jeepkid> anybody install the xubuntu11.10alternate without cdrom??
[08:05] <karlhunt> ok its definately power management i found a forum post from someone who had the same issue and had to disable power management to fix it
[10:33] <albech> beta2 is supposed to get released today, right?
[10:49] <sebo1> Hi all, are there any major issues with updates within the last 24hrs?
[10:50] <vega-> how can i make it so that the guest user isn't always the default at login?
[10:50] <vega-> i want it to be the last user logged in, as in previous versions
[10:50] <sebo1> Since mt last update (about 18 hours ago) I've lost internet connection and can't log into my user
[10:52] <vega-> sebo1: have you read the topic?
[10:54] <sebo1> @wega was reading line 1, thanks reading the linked stuff..
[11:02] <moin> is it possible to install nautilus elementary in Oneiric?
[11:02] <moin> i hate the nautilus available
[11:03] <sebo1> @vega thanks heaps, was a quick fix when you know how!
[11:03] <vega-> sebo1: no prob
[11:18] <ironhalik> wheres beta2?! :>
[11:18] <ironhalik> my natty is going down in flames
[11:18] <ironhalik> need fresh blood
[11:19]  * cwillu_at_work sacrifices 12 virgin ssds and bjsnider on the alter of btrfs
[11:26] <sebo1> is the system settings dialogue supposed to have two UbuntuOne logos?
[11:30] <IdleOne> sebo1: probably not :)
[11:30] <sebo1> need to check the bugs
[11:31] <sebo1> because I have two - had them for quite some time now
[11:31] <bazhang> perhaps they give you double the storage space :)
[11:32] <sebo1> hmm. might be lets get another one *thinkingctrl+c*ctrl+v*
[11:53] <macer1> multi touch zooming is very smooth in oneiric...feels like mac os x...lol...
[11:55] <paul_> Is evince still the default pdf viewer in 11.10?
[11:55] <Stanley00> paul_: yes
[11:56] <paul_> Aww...  I wish there would be a better app, and none that I know of anyway.  :(
[11:57] <KNUBBIG> paul_: did you try okular?
[11:57] <paul_> Yeah I have.
[11:57] <KNUBBIG> okey :)
[11:58] <Stanley00> paul_: what do you expect? I think evince is a good apps...
[11:58] <KNUBBIG> paul_: if you find out what exactly to say in !best in #ubuntu-bots, there might be some applications you don't know of yet
[11:58] <paul_> Well in general it is funny, some pdf app have this features, and others that...  I wish they were consolidated.
[11:59] <Stanley00> paul_: I remember there is Adobe reader in Ubuntu Software Center too... ;)
[11:59] <paul_> I was looking for something that gives editing of pdf bookmark in an intuitive interface.
[12:04] <Stanley00> paul_: I never used that, may be you should search some pdf editor in Ubuntu Software Center yourself...
[12:06] <paul_> Stanley00, Yeah I have.   The best one I like was from java based app, but I got it off the web instead of repo.
[12:08] <IdleOne> gv, epdfview, xpdf
[12:09] <paul_> IdleOne, thank you.  I'll check it out later.
[12:53] <macer1> wil new banshee be in  11.10?
[12:59] <bazhang> !info banshee
[12:59] <vega-> macer1: why don't you check for yourself: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[12:59] <macer1> I checked that
[12:59] <macer1> i am running oneiric
[12:59] <bazhang> macer1, new being what number
[12:59] <macer1> but maybe it will go to 11.10 before freeze
[12:59] <macer1> 2.2
[12:59] <vega-> macer1: the site also lists oneiric packages
[12:59] <bazhang> nope
[13:00] <vega-> it's already beta2, haven't packages been frozen already
[13:00] <bazhang> yep
[13:00] <macer1> :(
[13:01] <bazhang> why do you need it macer1
[13:01] <macer1> bugfixes and new features
[13:01] <bazhang> such as what
[13:03] <macer1> I don't know
[13:03] <macer1> but it is not important :D
[13:03] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:03] <macer1> Hey BluesKaj
[13:03] <BluesKaj> hi macer1
[13:07] <BluesKaj> the font settings still won't hold when set in KDE system settings as root for kate or dolphin ...this a real pita on a falt screen tv/monitor
[13:07] <BluesKaj> err flat
[14:03] <OerHeks> hi, i read Beta2 is out, 1 hours ago, where can i find the download, if not, when ?
[14:03] <OerHeks> c/1/14 hours
[14:04] <ironhalik> its according to tracker, which is automatic
[14:04] <ironhalik> its not out yet
[14:04] <ironhalik> at least I cant find it anywhere :>
[14:04] <OerHeks> i read this post > https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-11.10-beta-2
[14:04]  * OerHeks sips coffee & waits
[14:05] <ironhalik> yeah
[14:06] <Pici> That just means that the milestone should be reached today.
[14:07] <ironhalik> hmm, should beta build have better quality then daily build from aprox the same time?
[14:07] <Pici> ironhalik: The beta isos are tested for install errors, so yes.
[14:08] <ironhalik> well, ubiquity wont start for me
[14:08] <ironhalik> so cant wait :P
[14:18] <bjsnider> gnome-shell rc1 cannot build until caribou builds, as it is a build-dep
[14:29] <jbicha> bjsnider: it also needs the new gjs
[14:42] <BluesKaj> bbl
[14:59] <gribouille> hi
[14:59] <gribouille> is oneiric beta 2 released?
[15:00] <albech> gribouille: not yet as far as I can see
[15:01] <gribouille> albech, but it will be released today?
[15:01] <albech> gribouille: guess so
[15:02] <albech> gribouille: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[15:03] <gribouille> albech, I kniw
[15:03] <gribouille> albech, I know
[15:03] <albech> gribouille: but they have several more hours
[15:16] <Nom-> Hi all... does anyone know if the dovecot package in oneiric comes with fts_solr built in?
[15:25] <nmvictor> how do i install extra themes in oneiric?
[15:27] <nmvictor> how do i install extra themes in oneiric?
[15:27] <jbicha> nmvictor: the only other packaged GTK3 theme I know of is Adwaita, available by installing gnome-themes-standard
[15:28] <jbicha> and you'll want to use gnome-tweak-tool to set it
[15:28] <nmvictor> jbicha: thanks
[15:30] <nmvictor> jbicha: uniy isnt working for me, am liking gnome3-shell, save for the fact that its not using compiz. My google hits reveal that its next to imposible having compiz coexist with gnome30shell, so this mutter window manager, can its do desktop effects and if so, how do i tweak, does it have its version  of compiz-settins -manager?
[15:33] <nmvictor> guys, uniy isnt working for me, am liking gnome3-shell, save for the fact that its not using compiz. My google hits reveal that its next to imposible having compiz coexist with gnome3-shell, so this mutter window manager, can its do desktop effects and if so, how do i tweak, does it have its version  of compiz-settins -manager?
[15:34] <nmvictor> any chance with desktop effects in gnome3-shell, please?
[15:34] <bjsnider> jbicha, i don't see caribou anywhere on the list of oneiric-changes, nor is it on launchpad, so when is this build going to happen? pitti said he uploaded it 2 days ago
[15:36] <jbicha> bjsnider: yes it was uploaded to the new queue before we decided to reject it, pending a bit more work by the Debian devs
[15:36] <jbicha> I think we'll push it through today or tomorrow though
[15:37] <jbicha> nmvictor: I don't know of any tool to customize gnome-shell like you're asking for
[15:37] <psalden> heya folks, I'm running oneiric in virtualbox and after an update the network manager seems gone and I can no longer connect to the internet. Is anyone else experience this? (update as in apt-get dist-upgrade)
[15:37] <jbicha> and yes, gnome-shell & mutter are very closely tied
[15:38] <jbicha> psalden: you probably need to reinstall libnss3 as there was a critical bug earlier this week that ate it
[15:38] <nmvictor> jbicha: im not asking for compiz in mutter, but i hear mutter is a compositing manager too. Does it have effects, and a manager for its effects?
[15:39] <psalden> jbicha: hmm yeah now to do that without internet though :)
[15:39] <jbicha> nmvictor: yes, mutter has effects but no, I don't know of any easy way to actually customize them, that's not really the point of gshell you know :)
[15:40] <bjsnider> wel, compiz is much older than mutter at this point too, so there have been more features added over time
[15:40] <jbicha> psalden: you could try sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libnss3*.deb
[15:40] <bjsnider> i am going to resist the mutter upgrade which is available until gnome-shell is ready too
[15:41] <jbicha> bjsnider: good idea, running new mutter with old gshell hasn't really been tested...
[15:41] <bjsnider> yeah, and i ain't gonna be the guinea pig
[15:42] <Goldline> Hey guys, im looking for ubuntu 11.10-beta2 - according to this release schedule on the froum it should be out 2day: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1747647
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Goldline: it should be out before midnight today, UTC time zone. It is not released yet, though
[15:42] <bjsnider> jbicha, they're not going to do beta2 until gnome 3 rc1 is all packaged are they?
[15:44] <Goldline> Im from Europe so perhaps i should check back 2morrow>?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> It is 15:44 UTC now, so there are a few hours left today
[15:44] <Goldline> Its gonna be available on this link/url aint: http://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/linux/ubuntu-releases//oneiric/
[15:44] <Goldline> if its released
[15:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:45] <Goldline> Beta2 is infact the full version which is being released 10/13?
[15:46] <Goldline> with minor differences?
[15:46] <jbicha> bjsnider: beta 2 is basically finished, we've been in a freeze for the past several days
[15:46] <jbicha> in fact, dist-upgrading today or tomorrow will probably be a bit rough as a bunch of updates are being released
[15:47] <psalden> jbicha: no luck unfortunately
[15:47] <charlie-tca> Goldline: it is pretty close, yes
[15:47] <psalden> thanks for thinking along anyway, I'll figure a way out :)
[15:50] <jbicha> psalden: check the forums like this thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1846185
[15:51] <jbicha> Goldline: the final version will have more bugfixes :) (it'll also have GNOME 3.2 final)
[15:51] <Goldline> And language packs aswell saw ito n the wiki page
[15:52] <Goldline> 23
[15:52] <Goldline> October 6th
[15:52] <Goldline> Quality
[15:52] <Goldline> ReleaseCandidate, LanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[15:52] <psalden> jbicha: thanks :)
[15:53] <Goldline> Iam assuming that if an application works on 11.10-beta2 that it will mostlikely work along with 11.10?
[15:55] <rumpe1> Goldline, you can also assume that it will work better
[16:20] <zenlinux> Just wondering if Beta2 is about to hit the ftp server soon, or whether I should plan to try it out later in the evening?
[16:27] <dud> well the beta 2 is more like the alpha 4
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> :D
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> evenso
[16:27] <Ian_Corne> it's not much mroe stable for me
[16:29] <zenlinux> Ian_Corne, stability issues related to Unity or applications in general? I'm probably going to give Unity a spin, but I'm probably going to go with the GNOME 3 shell.
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> everything :p
[16:29] <Ian_Corne> unity itself is pretty stable
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> but glitchy
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> altho I think the glitches are mainly graphics driver related
[16:30] <zenlinux> yeah, a buggy graphics driver can wreak havoc everywhere. What's your chipset?
[16:30] <Ian_Corne> but, banshee crashes, picard doesn't launch, empathy, i don't even try
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> HD 6950
[16:31] <zenlinux> ATI?
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> yes
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> well AMD? they threw out the ATI name
[16:31] <Ian_Corne> or radeon
[16:32] <zenlinux> right. whatever they call themselves, it would be nice for them to get their act together when it comes to driver support :(
[16:32] <zenlinux> I've been wary of ATI video cards for years now.
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> well, the fglrx driver is ok
[16:32] <Ian_Corne> it works, but it's so late to release updates..
[16:33] <Jcook_5xData> any one here use a AMD E350 processor/GPU laptop? I was wondering how well it can drive and ext monitor
[16:35] <dud> i got a sandy bitch and the stability is second to none
[16:36] <Jcook_5xData> sandy bridge is that cpu/gpu ? I can not remember
[16:36] <dud> its both
[16:39] <dud> whats libbingobongo?
[16:39] <Jcook_5xData> k that what the E350 is too. On notebookcheck.net AMD Radeon HD 6310 can play cod on medium well. I hoping this is good enuff to replace my desktop.
[16:40] <dud> i think i have to add laptop-mode-tools
[16:41] <dud> i get stiff neck with unity
[16:42] <dud> ergonomically unlogic position of the position
[16:42] <Jcook_5xData> !libbingobongo
[16:42] <Jcook_5xData> !libbingobongo | dud
[16:42] <dud> yeah this library is responsible for the monkey like error sound when ubuntu crashes on my sandy bridge
[16:42] <Jcook_5xData> lol
[16:43] <peto_> hola
[16:46] <Jcook_5xData> hello
[17:13] <Ian_Corne> is the usb device permission bug fixed?
[17:33] <Jcook_5xData> Ian_Corne,  yes.. It have been fix for a week or longer
[17:35] <macer1> small tip for betatesters, like me. having installing gnome-shell is a good idea, because when unity is very broken, you can run shell then :D
[17:38] <jo-erlend> if I don't use my computer for certain amount of time, my primary monitor is powered off and won't be powered on until I log out. How do I prevent this from happening?'
[17:39] <macer1> hello jo-erlend
[17:40] <macer1> try sleep from power menu. does it wake from sleep then? if not, that may be the reason
[17:42] <jo-erlend> macer1, the system does not go to sleep. It shuts off the primary monitor, but doesn't restart it automatically, and all the applications to control this are being run on the primary screen which won't show anything.
[17:42] <jo-erlend> so I keep having to log out and back in.
[17:43] <macer1> are you using nvidia?
[17:43] <jo-erlend> no, radeon.
[17:43] <macer1> do you have binary drivers?
[17:43] <jo-erlend> no.
[17:44] <macer1> you are using open source drivers, yes?
[17:44] <jo-erlend> yes, but I would be extremely surprised if this had anything to do with drivers.
[17:44] <jo-erlend> it is a gnome-screensaver issue. I don't know how to fix it without uninstalling it.
[17:45] <jo-erlend> in previous versions you could decide how long to wait before locking the screen and how long to wait before shutting down the monitors.
[17:46] <macer1> No. You don't need these options.
[17:46] <macer1> ...this is what gnome devs are saying :D
[17:46] <jo-erlend> now, I have to choose between 1,2,3,5,10,30, or 60 minutes.
[17:47] <jo-erlend> macer1, are you a gnome developer?
[17:47] <macer1> jo-erlend, no.
[17:47]  * Feldegast is SO glad he uses kde atm ;-)
[17:47] <macer1> And I don't want to be a developer of that thing.
[17:47] <jo-erlend> macer1, because?
[17:48] <macer1> They deleted most configuration options :(
[17:48] <jo-erlend> macer1, that is not true.
[17:48] <macer1> "<jo-erlend> in previous versions you could decide how long to wait before locking the screen and how long to wait before shutting down the monitors."
[17:48] <jo-erlend> macer1, yes.
[17:49] <macer1> yes
[17:49] <macer1> so they deleted it?
[17:49] <macer1> so is it true or not...
[17:49] <jo-erlend> you should realize that software has to be written before it can be used and that when software is written, it is sometimes not 100% perfect on the first go. Gnome2 took almost ten years. Gnome 3 haven't been around for more than about 5 months.
[17:49] <jo-erlend> macer1, no. They made a new version of Gnome.
[17:50] <macer1> jo-erlend, you don't understand
[17:50] <jo-erlend> oh?
[17:50] <macer1> from gnome.org
[17:50] <macer1> Easy system settings
[17:50] <macer1> GNOME 3 includes an integrated, easy-to-use settings interface. Finding settings is straightforward, and can be done either by browsing or searching. The GNOME 3 system settings include everything that you need and nothing that you don’t.
[17:50] <macer1> everything that you need and nothing that you don’t.
[17:51] <macer1> They deleted these options specially.
[17:51] <pythonsnake> macer1: are you the bot abuser guy ?
[17:51] <DeviceZer0> beta2 isnt released yet has it?
[17:51] <DeviceZer0> about to head to work...am hoping i can get it dled before i get home.
[17:51] <winut> try the proprietary drivers, i heard this was an issue on nouveau
[17:51] <macer1> jo-erlend: I hope they will give back config options sometime in gnome3 ;)
[17:51] <jo-erlend> winut, it is not a driver issue.
[17:51] <macer1> pythonsnake: ?
[17:52] <jo-erlend> macer1, they have never existed.
[17:52] <jo-erlend> this is new software.
[17:52] <pythonsnake> macer1: #botwar
[17:52] <jo-erlend> macer1, the configuration system didn't even exist before.
[17:52] <h00k> pythonsnake: please don't advertise other channels in here
[17:52] <pythonsnake> h00k: I'm not advertising...
[17:52] <winut> jo-erlend: ok, thanks. has it ever worked?
[17:52] <macer1> pythonsnake, I am on botwar. so what?
[17:53] <jo-erlend> winut, what?
[17:53] <pythonsnake> macer1: you abused bot or something
[17:53] <jo-erlend> winut, software that haven't been created, does not work, no.
[17:53] <macer1> pythonsnake: maybe
[17:53] <pythonsnake> macer1: abusing nuySupy for two hours. Added in ignore list
[17:54] <macer1> pythonsnake: can you write on botwar on priv, not on main channel?
[17:54] <Pici> pythonsnake: I don't see what this has to do with Ubuntu, can you take this to pm or something?
[17:54] <macer1> *or priv
[17:54] <pythonsnake> Pici: sorry
[17:55]  * macer1 is using kde. I can configure all power settings :D
[17:55] <pythonsnake> KDE is windows-like
[17:55] <jo-erlend> macer1, you're not helping at all.
[17:56] <macer1> jo-erlend, sorry.
[17:56] <jo-erlend> macer1, unless you have any references to a decision to not make it possible to deactivate shutting down monitors, you're just trolling.
[17:56] <winut> jo-erland: chill out mate
[17:57] <macer1> jo-erlend: do you want link?
[17:57] <jo-erlend> macer1, yes.
[17:57] <macer1> wait a moment
[17:58] <agraj> isn't it high time b2 was released?
[17:58] <pythonsnake> b2?
[17:58] <agraj> beta 2
[18:00] <agraj> when's beta 2 gonna be released?
[18:01] <kilrae> heh, i was just typing that
 heh, i was just typing that
[18:01] <macer1> oops
[18:01] <macer1> bad pasted
[18:01] <h00k> I imagine when it's ready ;)
[18:01] <macer1> i was trying to past link
[18:01] <macer1> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[18:01] <macer1> agraj, it is in schedule
[18:01] <agraj> ya, it was suppsed to be a couple of hours ago, right?
[18:02] <kilrae> i saw the release schedule, it's why i'm not installing beta 1
[18:03] <kilrae> i was going to upgrade my desktop, but seeing as beta 2 is imminent, i figured i would wait (unless it has been delayed)
[18:04] <macer1> jo-erlend, there was some blog entries of gnome3 devs, that was posting mockups and saying that there will be no settings for some things.
[18:04] <agraj> so, does anyone know whether beta 2 has been released?
[18:04] <macer1> I can't find it now
[18:04] <agraj> so, does anyone know whether beta 2 has been delayed?
[18:04] <jbicha> it will show up on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/ when it's officially released
[18:05] <jbicha> no, beta 2 has not been delayed
[18:05] <kilrae> ok, i'll just wait for it
[18:05] <jo-erlend> macer1, I am very aware of that, and I strongly support it. I do not think that includes the decision to not power on the primary monitor when you come back.
[18:05] <macer1> jo-erlend, yes, I know that...
[18:06] <macer1> maybe it is in dconf
[18:06] <macer1> some settings are hidden in dconf :)
[18:06] <macer1> or was that gconf...
[18:06] <jo-erlend> no. That obviously should never be configurable, because such a config option would never make any sense.
[18:06] <macer1> jo-erlend, ?
[18:07] <jo-erlend> macer1, why would you want to configure your desktop system not to use monitors?
[18:07] <macer1> wait, I dont understand what you mean
[18:08] <jo-erlend> if that's done in KDE, it's extremely stupid. I don't believe it is. And now I've wasted a half an hour on obvious trolling.
[18:08] <macer1> you said something else on begging...
[18:08] <macer1> beging*
[18:09] <jo-erlend> macer1, I said that when the monitors are shut down after a certain amount of time, my primary monitor is not switched back on afterwards. You told me that was because Gnome 3 should not be configurable.
[18:10] <macer1> It looks like I don't understanded you fully then. sorry
[18:11] <jo-erlend> no, you were probably too busy making fun of Gnome.
[18:11] <macer1> no
[18:11] <macer1> "<jo-erlend> in previous versions you could decide how long to wait before locking the screen and how long to wait before shutting down the monitors."
[18:12] <macer1> so I said
[18:12] <macer1> that it is a decision of gnome devs so it is not in this release of gnome
[18:12] <jo-erlend> macer1, were you talking about that option in particular?
[18:13] <jo-erlend> have you actually seen something like "It should not be possible to not switch monitors off after a certain amount of time"?
[18:13] <macer1> ?
[18:14] <bjsnider> gnome 3 does have monitor power saving settings
[18:15] <jo-erlend> bjsnider, yes, but not the option for "Never". macer1 says this is a conscious decision from Gnome. I'm sceptical about that.
[18:15] <bjsnider> why not remove all doubt
[18:16] <bjsnider> go to irc.gnome.org and join #gnome-shell. they're all in there. they will respond to questions.
[18:17] <bjsnider> although it's a pretty stupid issue
[18:17] <macer1> I looked at gnome settings
[18:17] <macer1> there is really no such option :O
[18:17] <bjsnider> apps like gnome-mplayer can stop power saving mode indefinitely while playing video
[18:20] <jo-erlend> macer1, yes and instead of complaining about it, I'll simply go and fix it.
[18:20] <bjsnider> i don't know of any other reason why the monitor would have to be on constantly. a person is not going to sit doing absolutely nothing except stare at the screen for hours on end
[18:20] <macer1> jo-erlend: ok sorry for that
[18:20] <macer1> I asked on irc.gnome.org
[18:22] <bjsnider> what did they say?
[18:22] <macer1> nothing
[18:22] <macer1> I am waiting
[18:22] <bjsnider> i see
[18:23] <macer1> it look like they are ignoring me
[18:23] <macer1> hmm...
[18:23] <macer1> or maybe not
[18:23] <dud> my sandy bridge needs a lot of time to install with apt
[18:24] <dud> i think its an weird issue
[18:24] <macer1> I am going away for some time...
[18:52] <kbroulik> if I install Oneiric Beta 1 e.g. will it become a "final version" when it is released when i upgrade my packages?
[18:52] <trism> kbroulik: yes
[18:54] <macer1> jo-erlend,
[18:55] <macer1> it is hidden in dconf settings, but you can modify it there
 macer1: i think it's in dconf-editor under /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/power/sleep-inactive-ac
 (and sleep-inactive-battery)
[18:56] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[18:57] <macer1> hello FernandoMiguel
[19:04] <alkisg_kubuntu> Hi, could someone verify that pasting "τοπ" on his terminal results in "Sorry, command-not-found has crashed" ?
[19:04] <alkisg> (in oneiric; it didn't crash in previous versions)
[19:04] <macer1> oh
[19:04] <macer1> yes
[19:04] <macer1> I can confirm
[19:04] <alkisg> Thank you, I'll file a bug report
[19:04] <jtaylor> yes
[19:05] <jtaylor> know issue
[19:05] <jtaylor> alkisg: no need to file another
[19:05] <alkisg> Ah, ok
[19:05] <alkisg> Thanks
[19:05] <macer1> polish characters also is crashing it
[19:05] <macer1> like ąśćżęłó
[19:05] <jtaylor> its crashing on everything non ascii
[19:05] <jtaylor> including öü
[19:07] <jtaylor> alkisg: which version do you have installed?
[19:07] <alkisg> 0.2.21
[19:08] <jtaylor> pleasse upgrade, it should be fixed already
[19:08] <jtaylor> 839609
[19:08] <alkisg> Ty, upgrading..
[19:08] <jtaylor> 0.2.44ubuntu1
[19:09] <macer1> i am looking at this bug now
[19:09] <macer1> bug 839609
[19:11] <macer1> Oh i remember that i was not upgrading
[19:11] <macer1> because
[19:12] <macer1> it is trying to delete gnome-shell
[19:12] <macer1> but I will update only this package so OS won't break
[19:13] <macer1> fixed
[19:13] <macer1> krzysztof@krzysztof-MacBook:~$ ąśðĸ@→łóję¶đfffffffðć
[19:13] <macer1> ąśðĸ@→łóję¶đfffffffðć: nie znaleziono polecenia
[19:14] <macer1> I hate when canonical people are posting videos in bug reports on canonical servers
[19:14] <macer1> and then nobody can see it
[19:14] <macer1> only canonical people...
[19:15] <jtaylor> why is there a video of that xD
[19:15] <alkisg> Yup, console-not-found works fine now
[19:16] <jtaylor> that bug report is incredibly long anyway
[19:16] <jtaylor> someone wasted a lot of time on this trivial issue ^^
[19:17] <macer1> jtaylor: try to view video from bug report -_-
[19:17] <macer1> this is just not fair
[19:30] <c0mrade_> WriteLn.Console("Hello");
[19:31] <macer1> c0mrade_: Access denied. Permission denied for writing to /dev/tty0
[19:31] <macer1> :D
[19:32] <macer1> ikonia: what happened?
[19:32] <ikonia> don't worry about it. He was being a pain.
[19:35] <neglesaks> damn programmers
[19:38] <bjsnider> ikonia, he must have been in some other channels too
[19:39] <ikonia> correct
[19:42] <pythonsnake> is there a way to upgrade lucid to oneiric ?
[19:42] <jtaylor> no supported way
[19:43] <macer1> pythonsnake: yes, reinstall
[19:43] <pythonsnake> meh
[19:43] <pythonsnake> download again 700MB
[19:43] <jtaylor> you have to download pretty much the same amount in an upgrade, if not more
[19:44] <charlie-tca> Can always do the upgrade path, too. Lucid -> Maverick -> Natty -> Oneiric
[19:45] <pythonsnake> how to upgrade to maverick ?
[19:46] <bjsnider> charlie-tca, i'm sure that would work
[19:47] <jtaylor> in the update manager there should be a setting, notify me about all ubuntu updates
[19:48] <jtaylor> maybe update-manager -c also works, don't know if that checks the lts/non-lts setting :/
[19:49] <Ian_Corne> it is there..
[19:49] <charlie-tca> pythonsnake: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and change the last line to PROMPT=normal
[19:49] <jtaylor> as you want to upgrade from an lts, note that oneiric is still in development and still has a bunch of bugs, do not upgrade if you want a stable working system
[19:49] <Ian_Corne> there is a setting
[19:49] <charlie-tca> than run update-manager
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> jtaylor: I think you'll get a lot more problems with that
[19:51] <jtaylor> with what?
[19:51] <Ian_Corne> if you let normal user have the chois of going to beta
[19:53] <jtaylor> I don't get the context, but yes inexperienced users should not upgrade to devel releases
[19:54] <bau_> hi all, i have a problem with my server: yesterday evening i could access to shared folders via lan using samba, but now I can't see the server but i can ssh and ping it... what's wrong?
[19:54] <Ian_Corne> are you running 11.10?
[19:56] <bau_> me? 10.04
[19:56] <pythonsnake> bau_: #ubuntu
[19:56] <pythonsnake> is 11.10 safe to use
[19:56] <pythonsnake> ?
[19:57] <ikonia> no
[19:57] <ikonia> it's in beta
[19:57] <ikonia> you've just seen Ian_Corne offering wise words about it
[20:00] <macer1> pythonsnake, mainly compiz is crashing
[20:00] <macer1> with gnome-shell i.e. it is more stable at this time
[20:00] <ikonia> no it's not
[20:01] <ikonia> the topic has some serious warnings also
[20:03] <kbroulik> trism: thanks :D
[20:06] <pythonsnake> ikonia: btw, can I get unban, as I said, no more help
[20:16] <dashavoo> grr... I hate it when packages are old versions of the software :(
[20:17] <jtaylor> e.g.?
[20:18] <dashavoo> jtaylor: playonlinx in this case, but I generally just hate it :P
[20:19] <dashavoo> ok, in this case I particularly hate it, as being as the application is non-functional due to being out of date
[20:20] <jtaylor> yes applications that tend to require updates very offten are not well suited for distributions
[20:20] <jtaylor> those should make it easy for users to install it manually
[20:22] <dashavoo> true
[20:23] <dashavoo> this isn't a particularly bad case, as being as they provide lots of packages on their website
[20:23] <peto_> Do you think that it will be good enough to make an update from 11.04 to the October 13 final release? Or will it be much safer to save all documents and then format and install 11.10 from scratch?
[20:24] <jtaylor> before doing any kind of upgrade, backups should be done, just to be sure
[20:24] <peto_> yes
[20:24] <dashavoo> peto_: personally, I would recommend that you save everything and install from scratch, making a separate home partition in the process. That way, whenever you want to install a new version you can do it fresh without losing documents.
[20:25] <jtaylor> upgrading is generally a bit safer than a fresh install, but it also tends to work less well
[20:26] <jtaylor> safern = no chance of accidentally formating the wrong partition or similar
[20:26] <peto_> yes, that what I did last time, install 10.04 from scratch
[20:27] <peto_> thanks
[20:27] <jtaylor> the least amount of work is, make a backup and upgrade
[20:27] <jtaylor> if all works well leave it, if there are some upgrade issues due to some configuration change or so you can still reinstall
[20:28] <dupondje> Hi, would like to know if there is a way to remove saved wireless networks in the networkmanager gui ?
[20:28] <peto_> yes, may be a good idea
[20:28] <peto_> very good indeed
[20:30] <jtaylor> dupondje: edit connections -> delete?
[20:31] <dupondje> jtaylor: huh, where do you have that?
[20:31] <dupondje> using gnoome3 btw
[20:31] <jtaylor> unity, rightclick on the networkmanager indicator
[20:32] <Guest31125> Any word on Ubuntu 11.10-beta2
[20:33] <dupondje> jtaylor: then i can choose "Network Settings"
[20:33] <kbroulik> thumbs up for the Oneiric Kubuntu installer :) it now says "Next" instead of "Forward" *g* aaaaand partition dialig is much faster now :)
[20:33] <dupondje> There I can configure the wireless networks
[20:33] <dupondje> but not delete ... :s
[20:34] <jtaylor> nm-connection-editor in the terminal
[20:34] <dupondje> heh yea that does the trick
[20:34] <dupondje> but quite annoying its not in the gui ?
[20:34] <jtaylor> it is in unity
[20:34] <jtaylor> maybe file a gnome3 bug
[20:35] <jtaylor> but maybe its prt of the hide everything that scares people with iq < 10 gnome 3 philosophy
[20:36] <dupondje> yea indeed
[20:36] <dupondje> its quite sad
[20:36] <dupondje> but I don't like Unity
[20:36] <dupondje> so not many options anymore :(
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu!
[20:37] <charlie-tca> Sorry, could not resist today.
[20:38] <Guest31125> Any word on Ubuntu 11.10-beta2
[20:38] <charlie-tca> still thinking sometime today
[20:38] <Ian_Corne> charlie-tca: xubuntu for the interface only then
[20:39] <Ian_Corne> if you're going light, lubuntu is the way to go
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Well, very light, yes
[20:39] <dupondje> I like the workflow on gnome3
[20:39] <dupondje> its quite nice
[20:39] <dupondje> but settings :(
[20:40] <syke> I'm having very consistent difficulty with linker errors when building packages from source in Ubuntu 11.10
[20:40] <syke> are the official binary packages themselves build with gcc 4.6.1 and binutils-gold?
[20:41] <syke> even something as 'simple' as glib is giving me this:
[20:41] <syke> ./.libs/libglib-2.0.so: undefined reference to `__open_too_many_args'
[20:41] <syke> ./.libs/libglib-2.0.so: undefined reference to `__open_missing_mode'
[20:41] <syke> I have the latest gcc and binutils installed as of this morning
[20:42] <jtaylor> yes the linker is more strict
[20:43] <jtaylor> the default flags are now --as-needed and --no-copy-dt-needed
[20:43] <jtaylor> this means you need to link against everything you use (no indirect linkage) and the ordering on the command line must be correct
[20:44] <syke> jtaylor: I got that, but does this mean the binary packages aren't generated using the new system default compiler?
[20:45] <syke> should those flags be added to the BuildFlags.pm?
[20:45] <jtaylor> yes they are, but they may have patches to make it work
[20:45] <syke> ... and those patches aren't being included when I go 'apt-get source <xxx>'?
[20:46] <jtaylor> they should
[20:46] <jtaylor> libglib does not build?
[20:46] <syke> nope
[20:46] <syke> I get the error above
[20:46] <jtaylor> thats a high importance bug
[20:46] <syke> seems like it, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy ;)
[20:46] <syke> can you give it a shot, if you have an up-to-date 11.10 amd64 box handy?
[20:47] <dashavoo> dupondje: the new kde is pretty, try kubuntu
[20:47] <jtaylor> yes
[20:47] <syke> I want to make sure it's reproducible before I file anything
[20:48] <jtaylor> hmm there is no bug filed against the package although there was a rebuild a few days ago
[20:48]  * jtaylor downloading source
[20:48] <jtaylor> glib2.0?
[20:48] <syke> jtaylor: thanks for the help, I really appreciate it
[20:48] <syke> yea
[20:50] <BluesKaj> installed unison , but it's nor showing up in the menu , doesn't launch from the terminal or the run command ...any ideas ?
[20:53] <GreekFreak> hi all
[20:53] <jtaylor> BluesKaj: whats the error message from termianl?
[20:58] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, it just gives a list of options ...looks like it needs to be configured , but the tutorail led me to believe the app uses a GUI
[20:59] <jtaylor> unison-2.27-gtk will probably start a gui
[20:59] <jtaylor> or unison-2.32-gtk
[21:01] <syke> jtaylor: glib build work for you?
[21:01] <jtaylor> still building
[21:01] <syke> heh ok
[21:02] <jtaylor> its now running the test suite
[21:02] <jtaylor> so it probably built fine
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> so who here has a 160 char man on iptables?
[21:03] <FernandoMiguel> need a crash course. for yesterday
[21:03] <Tophan> I installed Ubuntu 11.10 and then gnome-shell
[21:03] <Tophan> can I change LightDM to start Gnome3 instead of Unity?
[21:04] <syke> jtaylor: what's your output for gcc --version and ld --version?
[21:04] <Tophan> I mean, to use Gnome3 as default
[21:04] <atari2600a> hey
[21:04] <Tophan> instead of unity
[21:04] <atari2600a> what's going on with the wallpapers?
[21:04] <jtaylor> 4.6.1 2.21.53.20110810
[21:05] <jtaylor> maybe you have a package installed that I don't which enables another feature
[21:05] <atari2600a> they're...not even on the beta 1 CD
[21:06] <Kronsby> Hey I have ubuntu 11.10 beta 1. How do I upgrade to 11.10 beta 2?
[21:06] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[21:06] <syke> jtaylor: hmmm
[21:06] <jtaylor> maybe dist-upgrade
[21:07] <Kronsby> alright I will try
[21:07] <jtaylor> syke: can you post the logs of the configure calls
[21:08] <jtaylor> syke: I can't even find the functions you paste din the source
[21:08] <syke> ok. this may be related to my LTO flags, but that seems nonsensical to me..
[21:09] <syke> I'm trying without -flto now
[21:09] <jtaylor> its possible
[21:09] <jtaylor> there was a bug with -flto and --as-needed
[21:09] <syke> libxml2 and a few others built fine
[21:09] <jtaylor> I think it was fixed today
[21:09] <jtaylor> so it may not be published yet
[21:09] <syke> yea, I saw that bug. it was one of the problems I ran into when trying to build openssl with LTO
[21:10] <jtaylor> if its not fixed please file a bug
[21:11] <jtaylor> bug 778292 and bug 690194 I mea
[21:12] <syke> yea, I poked doko about the first one yesterday
[21:12] <syke> that's definitely fixed
[21:13] <jtaylor> how do I enable lto for glib?
[21:13] <syke> I *think* you need to modify /usr/share/perl5/Dpkg/BuildFlags.p
[21:13] <syke> .pm, rather
[21:13] <jtaylor> urg that can't be the correct way ^^
[21:14] <syke> every package seems different, some use those defaults, some use the debian/rules, some use the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS
[21:14] <syke> been driving me fuqn crazy
[21:14] <jtaylor> editing $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/dpkg/buildflags.conf should be more appropriate
[21:15] <syke> I couldn't find that file on my system
[21:15] <jtaylor> create ot
[21:15]  * syke slaps forehead
[21:18] <jtaylor> do you apply flto to compilation *and* linking?
[21:19] <syke> yes
[21:19] <syke> and you're right -- removing -flto makes it get further
[21:19] <syke> damnit
[21:20] <syke> if I file a bug, what's the likelihood I'll be yelled at for filing a bug on a "new" compiler feature?
[21:20] <jtaylor> no lto should work
[21:20] <jtaylor> its one of the key new features of gcc 4.[56]
[21:22] <jtaylor> confirmed
[21:22] <jtaylor> got the same error wit lto but it works without
[21:23] <jtaylor> with the newest binutils
[21:23] <jtaylor> you going to file the bug?
[21:24] <syke> jtaylor: sure, unless it would get more attention if you do it
[21:25] <jtaylor> that won#t make a difference
[21:25] <rodriesp> hi
[21:26] <syke> jtaylor: ok, I'll file it in a moment
[21:26] <rodriesp> excuse me, do you know when will Ubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 be released?
[21:27] <rodriesp> it will be today or tomorrow?
[21:27] <jtaylor> rodriesp: when its done
[21:27] <jtaylor> should be today
[21:27] <rodriesp> ahh, it should be today, that was what i thought
[21:27] <dashavoo> anyone know what ports need to be open for video / sound to work with jabber in empathy?
[21:28] <rodriesp> just to know where do they announce the release?
[21:28] <rodriesp> it appears on the schedule?
[21:28] <BluesKaj> jtaylor, looks clunky ..I'll just use scp
[21:28] <dashavoo> actually, I'll ask in #ubuntu it isn't really +1 specific
[21:28] <BluesKaj> NNL
[21:28] <charlie-tca> rodriesp: it appears in the topic on this channel
[21:28] <BluesKaj> bbl
[21:28] <rodriesp> ohhh, i understand know, thanks
[21:30] <kbroulik> umm, kpackagekit aka Apper is no longer in Oneiric repository?
[21:30] <jtaylor> there should also be a mail un ubuntu-dev-announce
[21:39] <kbroulik> lol Muon - you can't be serious about that?
[21:39] <tarvid> I need some help with testdri ve
[21:40] <tarvid> I installed Oneric-server with testdrive and the installation finished. How do I save the image?
[21:53] <triunenature> test
[21:53] <jtaylor> syke: filed the bug already?
[21:54] <triunenature> So i asked eariler, but if my NIC driver isn't working, how can i install/reinstall my NIC driver?
[21:55] <triunenature> LoL whopps, wrong chat! Sorry
[21:55] <syke> jtaylor: just wanted to test one more thing
[21:56] <jtaylor> it gets further wirth -U_FORTIFY_SOURCE but hits an "not implemented error later"
[21:56] <syke> verified it passes when adding "-floop-strip-mine -floop-block -ftree-loop-distribution -floop-flatten -floop-interchange" to CFLAGS
[21:56] <jtaylor> I have to go soon and will only be back tomorow evening, I'd like to add my info to the bug
[21:57] <syke> FORTIFY_SOURCE is really useful; it's interesting it only fires with LTO, though
[21:57] <syke> ok, one sec
[21:58] <jtaylor> but as its an flto issues its not so important, ubuntu only supports its default flags
[21:59] <neglesaks> beta 2 torrents are active.
[21:59] <syke> jtaylor: it's too bad the feature isn't better-integrated; so far, the libs that do work with LTO are 5-10% smaller in size and always improve in benchmarks
[21:59] <jtaylor> yes lto is a nice feature
[22:00] <jtaylor> and about time gcc gets it
[22:00] <jtaylor> llvm can do it since much longer
[22:01] <jtaylor> but glib is a hard testcase
[22:01] <jtaylor> most applications should compile fine with lto now
[22:01] <jtaylor> e.g. firefox works I think
[22:01] <jtaylor> didn't work in gcc 4.5
[22:02] <syke> jtaylor: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/binutils/+bug/856839
[22:03] <syke> jtaylor: firefox kinda works, but you need 8+GB of RAM. it's MUCH better with 4.7 trunk/gcc-snapshot
[22:04] <syke> in fact, let me test this glib thing with gcc-snapshot, see what that gets me
[22:08] <syke> jtaylor: anyway, trying to figure out what works since it would be nice to have at least some packages leveraging LTO by default
[22:09] <syke> ouch
[22:09] <syke> gcc-snapshot ICEs when compiling glib
[22:09] <syke> I'll file a bug in the gcc.gnu.org bugzilla
[22:17] <syke> jtaylor: filed the 4.7 ICE here: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=50490
[22:17] <jtaylor> thx
[22:18] <syke> my first experiments with LTO type stuff was when I was trying to get my XBMC to play 720p video
[22:18] <sirninja> how do you change the font settings in ubuntu 11.10?
[22:18] <syke> by compiling most of the source files for various libs into one compilation unit, I was able to get it to around 12fps for 720p xvid
[22:18] <syke> (up from 3fps)
[22:19] <jtaylor> so thxfor reporting this to gcc, I must go now bye
[22:21] <syke> jtaylor: you're welcome, thanks for your help to repro! :)
[22:21] <syke> wonder twin powers, activate!
[22:21] <syke> ;)
[22:24] <sirninja> I'm having trouble installing gnome-tweak-tool. I get the error: "E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages." Any advice?
[22:33] <jbicha> sirninja: gnome-shell is temporarily uninstallable
[22:34] <sirninja> jbicha: so that's what's preventing gnome-tweak-tool from being installed? Do you know of any other way to change the font settings? It seems to be missing from the appearance window
[22:35] <jbicha> sirninja: you can try dconf-editor
[22:36] <Viper550> I saw there's a beta-2 directory now, but no 32-bit images
[22:37] <kbroulik> so my conclusion to Oneiric: Muon sucks, Bluetooth doesnt work anymore, screen brightness is no longer adjustable, … so I think this will be the first time I will not upgrade to the next major version of kubuntu right after release :(
[22:38] <Viper550> I mean: why isn't there a 32-bit desktop image for Beta 2?
[22:38] <charlie-tca> because it is not released yet?
[22:38] <IdleOne> Viper550: not ready yet?
[22:39] <Viper550> oh wait
[22:39] <Viper550> its not on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:46] <katlhunt> anyone noticed sandy bridge power/acpi issues
[22:47] <katlhunt> Mainly when I plug in my power choirs my system grinds to a halt and load average goes through the roof
[22:47] <katlhunt> Chord
[22:48] <rww> cord
[22:49] <macer1> LOOOL
[22:49] <macer1> 177 security updates are avaible
[22:50] <macer1> maybe it is a bug withing update manager :D
[22:57] <peto_> bye
[22:59] <charlie-tca> Can we update the topic to show beta2 released? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2011-September/000897.html
[23:02] <IdleOne> charlie-tca: that ok ^?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> yup, looks good to me
[23:03] <charlie-tca> Thank you, IdleOne
[23:03] <IdleOne> hmm maybe the ML link is better as it has other useful links
[23:03] <katlhunt> There is a major power management bug. I don't have launchpad can some one log it for me.
[23:05] <katlhunt> My system is completely unusable with the charger pluggedin. System load hours through the roof. Latitude e5420 sandy bridge
[23:07] <charlie-tca> Logging it without that machine means none of the data or logs will be accurate.
[23:12] <macer1> dist-upgrade want to delete shell
[23:12] <macer1> how can I upgrade without packages that want to delete shell?
[23:14] <IdleOne> is it replacing them?
[23:14] <IdleOne> you can't just look at what it removes.
[23:15] <macer1> IdleOne: hmm?
[23:15] <macer1> blablabla these packages will be remobed: gnome-shell gnome-tweak-tool libcogl2
[23:15] <IdleOne> what I mean is that sometimes upgrading a package requires removal of the old version
[23:15] <macer1> *removed
[23:16] <macer1> IdleOne: OK. But I have gnome-shell installed and it wants to delete it
[23:16] <Pici> There was one held back package when I updated a few minutes ago.
[23:17] <IdleOne> Pici: was chromium-browser?
[23:17] <IdleOne> because of a l10n package seems fixed now
[23:19] <IdleOne> first reboot with beta2, here goes nothing
[23:24] <Chat2281> hey
[23:30] <macer1> yay beta2 is out
[23:45] <bjsnider> macer1, gnome-shell 3.2 rc1 is waiting to be built pending the arrival of dependencies. when those are built, the shell will be. i would hold off on updating until then