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| NCommander | #startmeeting | 14:59 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Sep 22 14:59:22 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 14:59 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 14:59 |
| * davidm waves | 14:59 | |
| NCommander | hrm, the bot ene upgraded | 14:59 |
| davidm | seems like | 14:59 |
| NCommander | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110922 | 14:59 |
| NCommander | we have no action items from last meeting so | 15:00 |
| NCommander | #link http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html | 15:00 |
| NCommander | #link http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html | 15:00 |
| janimo | hello | 15:00 |
| ogra_ | i guess we need to start the postponing fun | 15:01 |
| NCommander | hrm, the tracker is only showing me and infinity | 15:02 |
| NCommander | ogra_: fix it :-P | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | i wonder where you look at | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | i see the whole team | 15:02 |
| NCommander | oh | 15:02 |
| NCommander | nm | 15:02 |
| NCommander | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10.html - I typed the wrong page in my browser | 15:02 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, your update-initramfs test can be set to done if you made a succwessfull install ;) | 15:03 |
| NCommander | workitem wise, we're not too bad off. I have a few stranglers which will die soon (and some I should have marked DONE already) | 15:03 |
| ogra_ | infinity, do we plan to still see the apt ship pool whatever changes ? | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | looks to me like thats P material | 15:04 |
| infinity | ogra_: Yeah, I'd like to land them early next week, I think. | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | (pool works as is) | 15:04 |
| infinity | But I could defer. | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 15:04 |
| ogra_ | its really late and we should all concentrate on bugs from now on | 15:05 |
| infinity | Pool works, but tasks are broken, which is pretty annoying for server. | 15:05 |
| ogra_ | and given that it works atm ... | 15:05 |
| davidm | I'd prefer to postpone none critical items until next cycle | 15:05 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:05 |
| davidm | Lets clean up, get RC solid and be happy | 15:05 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:05 |
| * infinity shrugs. | 15:05 | |
| infinity | Happy to defer, though that is a bug. :P | 15:05 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | 15:06 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) | ||
| davidm | infinity, is it big enough to SRU later? | 15:06 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, postzpone the preinstalled stuff for jasper too, unless you want to actually test preinstall commands on kernel cmdline (that works since forever) | 15:06 |
| infinity | davidm: SRUing it's not really an option, IMO. | 15:06 |
| NCommander | w.r.t. to omap guided partitioning, I *finally* got partman-uboot ina state where it does what it should. I need to cook off a new partman-reciepes, but that shouldn't be too hard. I'll give GrueMaster a modifiednetinstall to test today or tomorrow. | 15:06 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 15:07 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, you still have three open items too | 15:07 |
| ogra_ | server kernel is on the schedule for P, i think you can postpone that | 15:07 |
| ogra_ | the other two look pretty well, like paperwork | 15:08 |
| NCommander | yup, will do. | 15:08 |
| davidm | infinity, OK then not that critical I suspect | 15:08 |
| NCommander | paperwork fortunately isn't affected by freezes | 15:08 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, the kernel config WI is also covered by a UDS session | 15:08 |
| NCommander | i'm unsure if thats a :-) or a :-( | 15:08 |
| GrueMaster | I'm going to mark iSCSI as done. The only remaining issue was booting from iSCSI and that is being worked on in the server team. | 15:08 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, so i'd say postpone that | 15:08 |
| ppisati | ogra_: WI? | 15:09 |
| * ogra_ guesses that were all WIs that were left | 15:09 | |
| ppisati | ah | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | i must say we did pretty well given the sheer amount of crao we had after UDS :) | 15:09 |
| ppisati | work item | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | right | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, see the link above | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | you have one open item that can be postponed | 15:09 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, move ? :) | 15:09 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) | 15:10 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) | ||
| ppisati | nothing exciting this week | 15:10 |
| * janimo working on getting ac100 new kernel packaged and uploaded | 15:10 | |
| ppisati | on my side | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | woohoo | 15:10 |
| ppisati | i'm working on the sd removal bug | 15:10 |
| ppisati | (and i found the problem) | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | wow, that was fast | 15:11 |
| infinity | janimo: Didn't you have an mx5 kernel incoming for me too? | 15:11 |
| janimo | infinity, jcrigby is handling that | 15:11 |
| ppisati | yep, but i don't know yet how to properly fix it (because that would be a layering violation) | 15:11 |
| infinity | janimo: Shiny. | 15:11 |
| janimo | his git tree and processes, I had no idea how to make even such a small change | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | yeah, its tricky if you are not used to it | 15:11 |
| janimo | which is sad. One line change and a bugfix that can be expressed clearly in a single sentence (turn on CONFIG_LDBAF) needs a lot of legwork | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | and even if you know how to do it ... you will fall flat on your face if it doesnt work right :) | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | sincer these scripts are pure mystery | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | *since | 15:12 |
| janimo | well, some of the docs help, but not everything is documented | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:13 |
| janimo | worse there is more than one way to do it | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | hehe | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | linux is all about choice ;) | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, ? | 15:13 |
| janimo | yes, and it is refelcted by the awesome market share | 15:13 |
| NCommander | ogra_: ? | 15:14 |
| * ogra_ puts NCommander on wheels so he starts moving | 15:14 | |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:14 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | 15:15 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) | ||
| ogra_ | gobject-introspection fails :( | 15:15 |
| infinity | The rebuild test is finally done, we should be combing through the results as quickly as we can. | 15:15 |
| janimo | I tentatively looked at postgres failing. | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | and postgres might be intresting for the server side | 15:15 |
| janimo | right | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | (looking at the ftbfs list) | 15:16 |
| janimo | I'd say it is essential? | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | beyond that, main looks as good as universe looks bad | 15:16 |
| ogra_ | we should all try to paticipate in the 5 a day project cjwatson started ... ate least with one or two packages per week or so | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | _*at | 15:17 |
| ogra_ | more if you can :) | 15:17 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 15:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | ||
| janimo | 2 packages per week is not participation in 5 a day project :) | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | janimo, more than nothing :) | 15:18 |
| janimo | that is true | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | images look okayish | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | they *should* be better at this point of the release though | 15:18 |
| ogra_ | desktop really fell behind | 15:18 |
| GrueMaster | Need to reenable swap, at least on omap. | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | but overall they are fine | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | i think infinity committed to fix that properly yesterday | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | mx5 is a bit in a weird state | 15:19 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Did I get a bug report? | 15:19 |
| janimo | needs kernel to test properly | 15:19 |
| ogra_ | we know it works but it didnt survive the switch to ext4 | 15:19 |
| infinity | ogra_: I suspect mx5 will be Just Fine with the new kernel, but hard to tell without. | 15:20 |
| GrueMaster | infinity: I was asleep when you responded, and still on my first cup of coffee, so...not yet. | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i thought janimo did a local ext3 test | 15:20 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Kay. :) | 15:20 |
| janimo | ogra_, GrueMaster did a test, and so did I | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | k | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | that should be enough | 15:20 |
| janimo | looked reasonable | 15:20 |
| ogra_ | we just need to convince skaet that it is ;) | 15:21 |
| * skaet is a bit worried about mx5 for good reason.... :P | 15:22 | |
| GrueMaster | Any chance of getting a new kernel and a new image today to make release? | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | skaet, its all fine, but we only discovered during milestone testing that ext4 support is missing | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, no, builds to long | 15:22 |
| GrueMaster | k | 15:23 |
| infinity | Broken kernel configs are easy to fix. I'm not terribly concerned. Yet. :) | 15:23 |
| GrueMaster | skaet: The image was fine Monday prior to EXT4 switch (and ubiquity churn). | 15:23 |
| skaet | thanks GrueMaster. :) | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | skaet, we will have to skip B2 for it, but from monday lates iot shoudl be fine, its a "community supported" image anyway | 15:23 |
| ogra_ | *latest | 15:24 |
| janimo | save for archive skew :) | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | hehe | 15:24 |
| janimo | since the upload floodgates are open again for the desktop team :) | 15:24 |
| * ogra_ has nothing else for images ... if NCommander wants to move ... | 15:24 | |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) | 15:24 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) | ||
| * GrueMaster wakes up to respond. | 15:25 | |
| * janimo was conned into signing in to iso.qa | 15:25 | |
| GrueMaster | Release testing went...Well it happened. | 15:25 |
| GrueMaster | I really do not feel as good about this release as I have in prior releases this late in the cycle, due to lack of dep testing. | 15:26 |
| GrueMaster | *deep | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | agreed | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | My focus next week will be dedicated to desktop deep testing to see what I can squeeze out. We don't have a lot of time left to shake out any bugs, so stay in touch. | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | that needs fixing in P | 15:27 |
| GrueMaster | Beyond that, I don't have anything else. mahmoh? | 15:28 |
| mahmoh | nothing here GrueMaster | 15:28 |
| GrueMaster | moving on.... | 15:29 |
| * GrueMaster listens to the silence. Somewhere in the distance, a cricket chirps. | 15:30 | |
| NCommander | [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti) | 15:30 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) | ||
| rsalveti | hey | 15:30 |
| rsalveti | first is the request to help sponsoring the libjpeg-turbo package | 15:31 |
| rsalveti | package at revu already, and skaet agreed that it would be good to publish it at least to universe, if possible | 15:31 |
| rsalveti | during last week at the release meeting | 15:32 |
| infinity | What is it, exactly? | 15:32 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: what is it and why do we want to uploadless than 15 days from release? | 15:32 |
| rsalveti | if anyone with time to review it, please :-) | 15:32 |
| infinity | An ABI-compatible accelerated replacement for libjpeg is how I'd read it from just the name. | 15:32 |
| janimo | rsalveti, speaking of which , there should be an organized linaro sponsoring process. As it is now the requests ar ead-hoc and left to the developers themselves, who often do not dare asking or know where to do it, and are content with the many ppas | 15:33 |
| rsalveti | libjpeg62 replacement, with simd support | 15:33 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, its universe ... there will likely still be plenty of packages :) | 15:33 |
| ogra_ | s/packages/new packages/ | 15:33 |
| rsalveti | neon and such, for those who want to try at arm devices | 15:33 |
| davidm | I'd say lets go for it if skaet is OK with it | 15:33 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 15:33 |
| rsalveti | skaet already gave OK | 15:33 |
| davidm | simd support is very good | 15:33 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Too late now, of course, but why aren't the changes in libjpeg itself? :P | 15:34 |
| rsalveti | was discussed during last release meeting | 15:34 |
| GrueMaster | I have plenty of jpg images to put it through some paces. | 15:34 |
| rsalveti | infinity: long history | 15:34 |
| rsalveti | default at firefox, chromium and fedora already | 15:34 |
| * skaet nods, its universe, so low risk. | 15:34 | |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Porn is not a test framework. | 15:34 |
| janimo | infinity, this is an upstream fork not a linaro one, linaro contributed though lately | 15:34 |
| rsalveti | yup | 15:34 |
| rsalveti | libjpeg-turbo is quite old already | 15:35 |
| GrueMaster | aww. | 15:35 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yeah, planning to discuss that at UDS | 15:35 |
| janimo | ok | 15:35 |
| rsalveti | there was some discussion over email already, will see how it goes | 15:35 |
| rsalveti | also worked to get 4460 working with our images | 15:36 |
| rsalveti | support is quite broken atm, need kernel and u-boot fixes | 15:36 |
| * ogra_ wishes we could test that already :P | 15:36 | |
| janimo | rsalveti, but no new packages, they still go to omap4 right? | 15:36 |
| rsalveti | do we want/need to make the support for the release? | 15:36 |
| rsalveti | janimo: no new package, just bugfixies | 15:36 |
| janimo | if possible sure | 15:36 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, depends on the impact | 15:37 |
| infinity | Want, sure, need, no. | 15:37 |
| janimo | otherwise the borad will appear and there will be no ubuntu support for them till april | 15:37 |
| infinity | And yes, depending on impact. | 15:37 |
| GrueMaster | For 4460? If we can get it in before release, it would be awesome. | 15:37 |
| rsalveti | kernel should be fine, as it's specific to a board revision | 15:37 |
| janimo | is this quad-core or merely dual? | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | below 200 LOC might be ok :) | 15:37 |
| rsalveti | u-boot should be tricky | 15:37 |
| davidm | or we can point folks at Linaro bootloads with instructions on how to fix image | 15:37 |
| ogra_ | janimo, still A9 | 15:37 |
| rsalveti | but will get it working here first, and open the bugs for them | 15:37 |
| janimo | ogra_, even if obfuscated and 80 columns wide ascii art 200 LOC ? | 15:37 |
| rsalveti | then you can decide based on the amount of required changes | 15:38 |
| GrueMaster | davidm: That gets ugly. I am already doing that for Maverick and Natty. | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | janimo, i dont care,i dont have to review it *g* | 15:38 |
| janimo | we can always point to linaro images, as they are usually more up to date, true | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | janimo, hmm ? | 15:38 |
| ogra_ | how can they be more up to dayte if they are a release behind ? | 15:38 |
| rsalveti | we're also creating oneiric based images now | 15:39 |
| rsalveti | and hope to switch to it next month | 15:39 |
| rsalveti | we'll see how it goes | 15:39 |
| janimo | they are based on a release behind but ahead with platform support stuff | 15:39 |
| rsalveti | anyway, that's most of ti | 15:39 |
| janimo | old evince, new kernel uboot X | 15:39 |
| rsalveti | we're preparing the release, so everybody is busy atm | 15:39 |
| janimo | I know I'd pick the second set if only that works on my board :) | 15:39 |
| ogra_ | depends what you want :) | 15:40 |
| davidm | ogra GrueMaster do you have 4460 boards yet | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | nope | 15:40 |
| GrueMaster | not yet. | 15:40 |
| davidm | Yea, thats what I thought | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | nicolas wanted to ask around once again | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | i'll ask him tomorrow again :) | 15:40 |
| davidm | I got an email asking for shipping addresses which I provided | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | ah | 15:40 |
| davidm | but nothing so far then | 15:40 |
| infinity | Ooo, new toys? | 15:40 |
| ogra_ | same toys, new heart :) | 15:41 |
| davidm | Apparently not .... | 15:41 |
| rsalveti | infinity: you should join the ti call ;-) | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | if you like to get up in the middle of the night :) | 15:41 |
| infinity | rsalveti: That would involve one more meeting a week. | 15:41 |
| infinity | (And that) | 15:41 |
| rsalveti | first issue is that the led gpio is now connect at the mpu o_O | 15:41 |
| rsalveti | so once you boot the board, and the led is on, it'll basically turn itself off | 15:41 |
| ogra_ | fun ! | 15:42 |
| rsalveti | fixed already, but was fun :-) | 15:42 |
| rsalveti | anyway, I'm done | 15:42 |
| NCommander | sorry about that | 15:42 |
| NCommander | my laptop suddenly decided that it didn't have a wifi card | 15:42 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, we didnt notice | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | but yuo can move ;) | 15:43 |
| ogra_ | *you even | 15:43 |
| janimo | rsalveti, do linaro have beagle images too? | 15:44 |
| janimo | omap3 I mean | 15:44 |
| davidm | NCommander, moving on | 15:45 |
| NCommander | [topic] AOB | 15:45 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| rsalveti | janimo: yes | 15:45 |
| rsalveti | janimo: igep, overo, beagle, panda, and so on | 15:45 |
| janimo | no pandas this cycle for armel builds? We carry the timed out builds to P | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | we are already building on pandas | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | partitally at least ... until infinity needs them | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | one question I had, are we really planning to go just with armhf for next cycle? | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | half/half? | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | half half | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | just because it'll be a lts | 15:46 |
| infinity | janimo: We have a bunch. Though once armhf toolchain changes land, they'll get repurposed to armhf. | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | was always the plan | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | but was initially for this cycle | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | we have to pick which one is the default | 15:46 |
| infinity | rsalveti: "Hope" is a better word than "Plan" with al the delays we've had. :/ | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | and have only armfh for next cycpe | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | infinity: yeah =\ that's why I'm asking | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | no, you need at least one release where you have them in parallel | 15:47 |
| GrueMaster | so was getting all the pandas in the build farm online. | 15:47 |
| rsalveti | infinity: what's the current status on that? | 15:47 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Need to land a GCC change, test it, re-bootstrap, and go. | 15:47 |
| * janimo wonders if giving back packages that fail after 10 hours hoping they land on a panda this time is a good use of build resources | 15:48 | |
| infinity | Well, can probably skip most of re-bootstrapping with a compat symlink for a while. | 15:48 |
| ogra_ | a gcc change after b2 ? | 15:48 |
| rsalveti | ok, cool | 15:48 |
| infinity | ogra_: One that only affects a new architecture. | 15:48 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 15:48 |
| infinity | janimo: No. If you want that to happen, talk to me, and we'll force it. | 15:48 |
| GrueMaster | Much as I personally hate to say it, I think we will need to make both armel and armhf images for testing next cycle. | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | yes | 15:49 |
| janimo | infinity, good. Last time you said it is only possible if everythng is on manual, which is a hassle. I'll check the list to see what the latest status is | 15:49 |
| infinity | We already knew that. | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | but we will only release one of them | 15:49 |
| infinity | We have to test both until some arbitrary cutoff point where we choose one for release. | 15:49 |
| janimo | and will only test one of them :D | 15:49 |
| rsalveti | and are we supporting both as LTS? | 15:49 |
| ogra_ | janimo, nope | 15:49 |
| rsalveti | or just armel | 15:49 |
| infinity | janimo: It *is* only possible with everything on manual. :P | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, unlikely that we support both | 15:50 |
| infinity | janimo: But that's not rocket science either. | 15:50 |
| rsalveti | guess a good discussion for uds | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | we cant destabilize server | 15:50 |
| ogra_ | so hf needs to be rock solid before we switch | 15:50 |
| infinity | rsalveti: We won't really know by UDS. But we'll support the one that doesn't suck. | 15:50 |
| * janimo thinks of the churn in debian packaing to replace/amend armel ifdefs with armhf | 15:50 | |
| rsalveti | hehe | 15:51 |
| ogra_ | janimo, the debian hf port should have a good bunch already | 15:51 |
| janimo | infinity, what are the suckage risks? Toolchain issues? | 15:51 |
| infinity | janimo: Honestly, my only concern is having it all built in a couple of months. | 15:51 |
| infinity | Whenever the armel buildds are idle, I intend to steal most of them for armhf to try to speed that process up. | 15:52 |
| infinity | We'll see how that works out. | 15:52 |
| davidm | rsalveti, we'll make at call at freature freeze which will be what we go out with for ARM | 15:53 |
| janimo | is buying setting up 20 or more boards to help such an obstacle? | 15:53 |
| davidm | once we choose, we will stop testing images on the other arch | 15:53 |
| rsalveti | davidm: fair enough | 15:53 |
| janimo | we seem to spend more in man hours trying to cater for that deficiency | 15:53 |
| davidm | janimo, getting pandas is VERY hard again | 15:54 |
| rsalveti | imx53 is a *lot* easier now | 15:54 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: We have systems that aren't online yet. It isn't due only to a lack of boards. | 15:54 |
| rsalveti | and with sata | 15:54 |
| davidm | I'm hoping something else will pop up soonish | 15:54 |
| infinity | I'd happily take a bunch of mx53s. | 15:54 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, hence my 'setting up' in the question | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, well, it hads to proove stable first :) | 15:54 |
| ogra_ | *has | 15:54 |
| GrueMaster | janimo: Manpower is also a big limiting factor. | 15:55 |
| janimo | indeed, lots of mx53s are good to, it;s not like we used dual cores so fa | 15:55 |
| janimo | r | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | with things like ext4 support missing in the kernel i wouldnt go for a buildd on it yet :) | 15:55 |
| rsalveti | well, at least you'll have support from linaro :-) | 15:55 |
| infinity | GrueMaster: Other than the master/slave in the DC being fiddled with for the "PPA cluster", we have others not online? | 15:55 |
| janimo | GrueMaster, right but seems a lot of manpower - albeit that of different men - is wasted to work around such issues, and to twddle thumbs while waiting | 15:55 |
| GrueMaster | iirc, we have 5 in a sudo state. | 15:55 |
| GrueMaster | We can discuss offline. | 15:56 |
| davidm | infinity, GrueMaster lets take this off-line and talk to the folks that know whats going on | 15:56 |
| * infinity nods. | 15:56 | |
| janimo | GrueMaster, sudo state - the one in which a person gets you a sandwich without opposition? | 15:56 |
| janimo | like a trance you mean? | 15:56 |
| GrueMaster | NCommander: Close? | 15:57 |
| NCommander | closing in 3 | 15:57 |
| NCommander | 2 | 15:57 |
| NCommander | 1 | 15:57 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Sep 22 15:57:28 2011 UTC. | 15:57 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-22-14.59.moin.txt | 15:57 |
| AlanBell | @defaultcapability remove misc.last | 16:14 |
| meetingology | AlanBell: The operation succeeded. | 16:14 |
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| * pitti waves | 18:00 | |
| kees | \o | 18:00 |
| pitti | so, just the two of us plus half a cjwatson | 18:01 |
| kees | heh. yeah, not sure where Keybuk is. | 18:01 |
| mdz | 1/2 of me | 18:03 |
| pitti | hey mdz | 18:03 |
| mdz | who is chairing? | 18:03 |
| pitti | I didn't notice anything on the lists recently | 18:03 |
| pitti | mdz: I don't think we picked a chair last time as we just skipped the meeting | 18:03 |
| kees | I was out last meeting; was there a summary sent? | 18:03 |
| pitti | no, there was nothing happening | 18:03 |
| pitti | we just stated that cjwatson's item (brainstorm) was/is happening | 18:04 |
| * kees nods | 18:04 | |
| mdz | my only agenda item is that I'm disappointed that we haven't kept up with the brainstorm reviews | 18:05 |
| mdz | we made a public commitment to do it once a quarter and we haven't met that commitment | 18:05 |
| mdz | the previous one was...March? | 18:06 |
| kees | is there some kind of infrastructure or reporting we could put in place to help stay on schedule? | 18:06 |
| mdz | a calendar would do | 18:06 |
| pitti | we noted on the agenda when the next one was due | 18:06 |
| pitti | but apparently it was dropped now | 18:06 |
| mdz | I think I put it on the ubuntu engineering calendar as well | 18:06 |
| kees | pitti: ah, like a count-down? | 18:06 |
| pitti | I think whenever we do one we shold bump the date there, not drop the item completely | 18:07 |
| pitti | i. e. * Brainstorm review [next due: Month Year] | 18:07 |
| pitti | so the normal cycle would have been to have the next one nowish, right? | 18:10 |
| pitti | so we should do the next one over christmas? | 18:10 |
| kees | pitti: yeah, seems right | 18:13 |
| * pitti adds it back then | 18:14 | |
| pitti | done | 18:15 |
| pitti | so I guess that's a wrap? | 18:15 |
| pitti | so, good night everyone! | 18:17 |
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