[06:58] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Meauning.
[07:04] <daubers> Morning
[07:16] <AlanBell> morning
[07:19] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <AlanBell> !info dbr
[07:29] <Myrtti> Azelphur: plz fix your client
[07:30] <hoover> good morning all
[07:30] <Azelphur> Myrtti: it's not my client, it's my connection to freenode
[07:30] <Azelphur> there's a node between me and freenode that keeps dropping/rejecting packets
[07:31] <Azelphur> causing excess floods/disconnect/etc -.-
[07:33]  * Azelphur wanders off back to sleep, hopefully it'll stop doing that.
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Sleepwandering? :)_
[08:08] <danfish> ahoy hoy! Happy hour this evening in Pimlico :)
[08:13] <AlanBell> oops
[08:15] <popey> morning all
[08:15] <MartijnVdS> howdy popey
[08:20] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:20] <bigcalm> A company has added me on g+. Do I report them or not? Does g+ allow companies?
[08:21] <popey> depends if you like the company :D
[08:21] <popey> some companies are allowed
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> if they pay Google enough money...
[08:21] <JamesTai1> Morning all! :)
[08:22] <bigcalm> Reid Electrical
[08:22] <bigcalm> Electrical Wholesaler in Lincolnshire
[08:22] <bigcalm> I can see tonytiger in its circles
[08:22] <diplo> lol bigcalm I've just been talking to them
[08:23] <diplo> They are one of my customers
[08:23] <diplo> Well my companies customers
[08:23] <bigcalm> `.`
[08:23] <diplo> She only signed up to G+ yesterday
[08:24]  * bigcalm tuts
[08:24] <diplo> Hmm she seems to have gone through my circles and added nearly everyone
[08:24] <diplo> Not a good move
[08:25] <bigcalm> No
[08:25] <diplo> M ight get herself kicked off
[08:25] <popey> I'd have a word
[08:26] <diplo> Think I will, not sure she gets it :)
[08:26] <diplo> Don't know her that well, just a customer I chat to once a month or so
[08:27] <BigRedS> Oh, the London happy hour is tonight, isn't it?
[08:27] <bigcalm> Apparently
[08:27] <BigRedS> By chance I've ended up being dispatched to London tonight, *and* I happen to be wearing a ubuntu t-shirt
[08:27] <BigRedS> I suppose I need to go drinking
[08:27] <popey> \o/
[08:27]  * popey can't go
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: Banned from the city?
[08:28] <bigcalm> HEh
[08:29] <popey> hah, I have an appointment
[08:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: I just got added by Reid too. I have no interest in them at the moment, but I have no issue of they want to follow me. I do not feel compelled to follow back.
[08:31]  * TheOpenSourcerer is out for beer and curry tonight.
[08:31] <bigcalm> I rarely follow people who follow me. I raised the issue as I wasn't sure if companies were allowed to do this
[08:31] <dogmatic69> block + report spam
[08:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm sure I read something a while back that Google were going to do something slightly different for companies.
[08:33] <AlanBell> yeah, I think it is best to be a well behaved company and wait until google tells us how to do it properly
[08:33] <AlanBell> I think those who jump the gun and use personal profiles will regret it somehow
[08:34] <bigcalm> I'm giving this one the benefit of the doubt as diplo says it's a new/confused user
[08:35] <diplo> Going to phone her shortly, not sure what to say :) but will call her about her ways
[08:35] <diplo> She's added people like Jono etc who are all State side :)
[08:35] <AlanBell> yeah, they don't annoy me, I just think they will regret it
[08:37] <oimon> this is sort of funny http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8780657/Nasa-satellite-the-size-of-bus-could-land-almost-anywhere.html
[08:38] <oimon> unless it hits you
[08:50] <bigcalm> My my, Andy Piper is a chatty fellow :)
[08:58] <diplo> I've emailed her guys, so hope that stops her :)
[09:01] <diplo> I'd apologise but not sure it's my fault or is it... :/
[09:04] <bigcalm> Heh
[09:04] <bigcalm> What did you tell her about g+
[09:04] <bigcalm> ?
[09:05] <andylockran> howdy
[09:06] <diplo> I said it's your decision, but you are likely to get banned/deleted if you do it as mos tof the people on my circles are technical they will just report you, plus most are not UK based, well a fair few
[09:11] <diplo> No reply yet :) Or call
[09:11] <diplo> Not the best person at calling/writng emails about stuff like this :P
[09:16] <Myrtti> argh, I want more toast, but if I eat more, I'll be scolded for scoffing the whole bag
[09:16] <Myrtti> and it's raining outside :-(
[09:18] <diplo> The reply, "Woops sorry! I didn’t know they were people you knew as I don’t really know how to use it "
[09:19] <diplo> I'll maybe send another explaining in's and out's
[09:19] <diplo> :)
[09:24] <daubers> Myrtti: I like rain :(
[09:26] <Myrtti> daubers: so do I, when I'm indoors and I don't have to walk to the shop to get more toast
[09:27] <daubers> Myrtti: Why do you buy toast? Why not just get bread and a toaster?
[09:27] <Myrtti> ah, this same old problem
[09:28] <Myrtti> in Finnish the bread you put in the toaster, the square fluffy white bread is called "toaster bread"
[09:28] <Myrtti> so there, s/toast/bread/
[09:29] <kirrus> Myrtti: you get that a lot? Also, this is what umbrellas are for :D
[09:29] <Myrtti> ok, I'm getting more annoyed than this conversation warrants for, time to go brew more tea and hang out some laundry
[09:30] <popey> \o/ cultural diversity
[09:33] <bigcalm> Buying bread suitable for toasting in Japan was a laugh
[09:34] <bigcalm> Found a packet of 7 slices
[09:44] <dwatkins> "French Toast" always confuses me.
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> surely that would be something like "pain grillé"
[09:46] <popey> is french toast the one where you butter it first?
[09:46] <popey> oh, no, eggy bread
[09:47] <MartijnVdS> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentelteefje
[09:47] <dogmatic69> popey: how did you do the irc < - > mc stuff?
[09:47] <popey> a script
[09:47] <popey> tztk-server.pl
[09:48] <popey> join #ubuntu-uk-minecraft and you'll see it in action
[09:48] <dogmatic69> im there now and again
[09:48] <dogmatic69> its awesome
[09:48] <popey> oh :D
[09:48] <popey> its fun given there's 3 servers doing it
[09:49] <dogmatic69> hehe
[09:49] <AlanBell> google adsense adverts will be getting a G+ +1 button
[09:49] <popey> yeah
[09:49] <popey> I LIKE THIS ADVERT!
[09:49] <popey> (please give me some revenue)
[09:49] <dogmatic69> cos everyone loves ads...
[09:49] <AlanBell> which is the first move in getting company profiles on G+, they will be linked to addsense accounts
[09:50] <AlanBell> and then they will get a bit enforcy with people setting up company names on personal profiles
[09:50] <AlanBell> the entirely predictable strategy is emerging
[09:51] <MartijnVdS> Still no sign of Apps accounts though :(
[09:52] <popey> are you 'allowed' multiple G+ accounts?
[09:53] <popey> I have loads of Google profiles, at least 6.
[09:53] <popey> if i sign into G+ on all of them it'll be a mess to manage
[09:55] <andylockran> popey: yeah
[09:55] <andylockran> you can 'switch account'
[09:56] <popey> i already do that
[09:56] <popey> but i dont want to have multiple G+ accounts
[09:56] <andylockran> it'd be good to have the 'join account' option like 'join contacts' in Android.
[09:56] <popey> i already have ~900 people who are 'following' me on G+
[09:57] <popey> haha, only just noticed the animation when you delete a circle in G+
[10:03] <bigcalm> Ah, stars around a word in g+ makes it *bold*, like irc
[10:03] <bigcalm> Well, some irc client will make that bold
[10:03] <popey> yeah, annoyingly _underscores_ make it italics
[10:03] <popey> not underlined
[10:03] <bigcalm> Silly that
[10:04] <oimon> i like how they updated a grammatically poor message with another similarly bad one :"This site is down for maintenance. We are will be restoring service shortly. Thank you for your patience.The Linux Foundation"
[10:05] <oimon> moorfields eye hospital using open source patient record system \o/
[10:06] <popey> yay
[10:09] <diplo> Can I ask some advice guys on a setup
[10:09] <diplo> We are a development company
[10:09] <diplo> But we also look after customers sites/servers / software installs / updates etc
[10:10] <diplo> I want to to make more secure
[10:10] <diplo> They basically have very simple passwords on all sites, a lot of the passwords are teh same
[10:10] <diplo> So thoughts are to go key based, disable root access remotely
[10:12] <diplo> Issue is, we have 17 staff, and 80+ customer sites, anyone of the 17 staff could need to access any of the sites.. simplest way of sorting the key based set up that anyone can think of?
[10:12] <dogmatic69> anyone for a new HDD... http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.aspx?isbn=0842024015444
[10:13] <diplo> And if we disable root access remotely do you think having a hard root password on different sites but using the same is an issue, I'd rather have different pass's but boss is worried about having 80+ root passwords to deal with
[10:15] <oimon> sudo ?
[10:19] <diplo> Old versions of CentOs/SCO mainly, so Cent could have sudo set up, don't think they want to do though
[10:19] <diplo> They want it simple
[10:23] <popey> diplo: have a gateway box that people ssh to, and ssh only allowed from there
[10:25] <oimon> booking my car for a service and there's a question "Some cars require a fully synthetic or long life oil, does your car need this?"
[10:26] <oimon> how would i know?
[10:26] <DJones> oimon: My reply would be, "You're the mechanic/garage, does it?"
[10:27] <diplo> popey: I suggested that to the boss man, only thing is he wants people to ssh from there own users
[10:27] <diplo> So that is back to my Q about easy way of managing lots of keys between users I gues
[10:28] <diplo> Some googling is needed i guess
[10:30] <popey> oimon: performance cars sometimes do
[10:30] <oimon> popey: cheers. that is all i need :)
[10:36] <diplo> I used to use fully synthetic in my car, it really should be down to the garage to put what you need in the car, there are recommended oils
[10:36] <diplo> Thing with fully synthetic is that it's alot thinner
[10:37] <diplo> So if you have any loose seals you will defo know about it as you will get oil leaking :)
[10:38] <Nour_al_imen> Hi
[10:39] <Nour_al_imen> I need help please !
[10:41] <kirrus> Hi Nour_al_imen
[10:41] <kirrus> !ask | Nour_al_imen
[10:41] <bigcalm> !ask | Nour_al_imen
[10:41] <bigcalm> Heh
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> ok sorry
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> I m conducting a study
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> on open source
[10:42] <davmor2> morning all
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> and how to spread it
[10:42] <dogmatic69> make something good, it will spread like wild fire
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> and I'm looking for studies relaying this subject
[10:42] <Nour_al_imen> ping bigcalm
[10:43] <Nour_al_imen> I want to search rather for govermental plicies
[10:43] <Nour_al_imen> policies
[10:43] <Nour_al_imen> I want to act in my organisation
[10:43] <Nour_al_imen> to change these policies
[10:43] <Nour_al_imen> in order to spread open source
[10:44] <kirrus> Nour_al_imen: I'm not sure there are any studies like that. You can find studies on people using opensource, like the french
[10:44] <Nour_al_imen> I found some as for example the candian University moving to ubuntu
[10:45] <Nour_al_imen> the army in france moving to ubnutu
[10:45] <Nour_al_imen> see ?
[10:45] <Nour_al_imen> And also schools in india
[10:45] <Nour_al_imen> etc
[10:45] <kirrus> Nour_al_imen: your best bet will probably be to just google it
[10:45] <oimon> simon phipps gave a talk at oggcamp about it,
[10:45] <oimon> and mentioned some good organisations to contact
[10:46] <Nour_al_imen> good ! a link please !
[10:46] <popey> i dont think Simons talk was recorded
[10:46] <popey> or if it was, the recording was lost
[10:47] <oimon> :(
[10:47] <Nour_al_imen> But right now in UK is there some moves to spread OSS ?
[10:47] <Nour_al_imen> thanks oimon
[10:47] <Nour_al_imen> I mean actions or plans ?
[10:48] <oimon> Nour_al_imen: take a look at simon's website anyway. http://www.webmink.net/ he is a sensible version of RMS
[10:48] <Nour_al_imen> ok
[10:48] <Nour_al_imen> thx
[10:49] <Nour_al_imen> All right I think I'll contact him
[10:49] <czajkowski> I'm on a windows machine and it feels rather odd, however really nice dell Vostro desktop!
[10:49] <oimon> the process is difficult because the government promises to consider open source, but the consultants are entrenched in the MS/Oracle/ way and don't recommend other stuff
[10:50] <Nour_al_imen> yes same for my country but we'r struggling for our causses
[10:50] <Nour_al_imen> All right I think I'll contact him
[10:50] <Nour_al_imen> Anyone has other organisations to contact ?
[10:50] <oimon> http://opensource.org/
[10:50] <oimon> EFF
[10:51] <oimon> fsf
[10:54] <Nour_al_imen> what do you mean by FSF
[10:55] <oimon> free software foundation
[10:55] <diplo> http://www.fsf.org/
[11:05] <Nour_al_imen> Ok thx
[11:05] <Nour_al_imen> I wrote to simmon
[11:05] <Nour_al_imen> hope he will answer me
[11:06] <oimon> lots of information is out there, you just need to read it :)
[11:07] <davmor2> MooDoo: you online yet?  man anyone would think he'd had the baby ;)
[11:08] <diplo> Hes posted to G+
[11:11]  * czajkowski stabs MooDoo welcome back 
[11:12]  * czajkowski kicks davmor2 shrup ya pup
[11:12] <davmor2> diplo: I know but he's got a computer at Home I'm sure :)
[11:13] <davmor2> czajkowski: Don't make me come over there and turn the firehose on you young lady
[11:14] <czajkowski> :p
[11:17] <oimon> the probability of making a typing error increases sharply when you know the delete key isn't working :-\
[11:44] <DJones> directhex: Just saw your comments about insurance on twitter, the same happened to me AA quoted £800 underwritten with LIverpool Victoria, went direct to LV & got it for £300
[11:45] <directhex> why do i pay so much for insurance :(
[11:46] <DJones> Do you have a woman as a named driver on the policy?
[11:46] <directhex> not anymore!
[11:46]  * oimon does
[11:46] <DJones> Thats why
[11:46] <oimon> insurance costs so much because of fraud
[11:46] <directhex> kicking the wife off the policy saved a bunch of money
[11:46] <oimon> it has gone up about 40% in the last 2 yrs
[11:46] <DJones> Mine is cheaper with my wife as a named driver despite her having about 18 years less driving experience than me
[11:46] <directhex> oimon, wasn't there some change in the law to stop no-win-no-fee fraud claims?
[11:47] <diplo> DJones: I just got quotes without my ex wife on there, and @ current £480, now £250, so not sure that's still current
[11:47] <DJones> Wierd, mine goes down by about £30 when I add her
[11:48] <diplo> Well, mine is due in 2 weeks. Phoning around tomorrow / web
[11:48] <oimon> the system sucks
[11:48] <diplo> See what I can find, but so far it seems cheaper
[11:49] <diplo> Going to also phone my current provider and say why are you £200 dearer than everyone else when I have been with you X years
[11:49] <oimon> i asked mine
[11:49] <DJones> I used comparethemaverikmeerkat for mine, saved me £500 a year
[11:49] <directhex> i didn't use them
[11:49] <oimon> there's been an across-the-board increase
[11:49] <directhex> i find their "use us and we'll find you the cheapest qu^W^Wa meerkat plushie!" condescneding
[11:50] <oimon> "the main factors fuelling the record hike in premiums are the rising cost of personal injury claims and fraud"
[11:50] <diplo> Saved enough to pay mine in full this year I hope, so save me £40-50 a month + the charge to pay by DD
[11:50] <directhex> fraudulent meerkats
[11:50] <Myrtti> Ill have to postpone my plans for driving school
[11:50] <oimon> i was sad to discover that the fat opera bloke one was the cheapest, to my wife's amusement
[11:50] <directhex> diplo, on the credit card, along with the rest of my spiralling debt
[11:51] <Myrtti> was quite a bitter moment when I made the decision
[11:51] <diplo> heh, that's the second choice.. just took out a new one with 15months 0%
[11:51] <oimon> i don't care if the iggy pop company costs 1p, i won't use them
[11:52] <DJones> I refused to go on the fat opera blokes website, the adverts are just too annoying, even with a mute button
[11:52] <directhex> bloody hell, credit card is looking dire :/
[11:52] <popey> sell your kidneys?
[11:52] <popey> maybe not both
[11:52] <directhex> time for part-time work
[11:53] <DJones> Sell car...No need for insurance then
[11:53] <diplo> Just paid mine off \o/ Checked my elec bill and was £450+ in credit
[11:53] <Laney> indeed, /me doesn't drive
[11:53]  * oimon will have a job opening soon for a linux geek
[11:54] <diplo> oimon: If you were not so far away I'd jump at a chance of a new job
[11:54] <oimon> especially one where you play with linux all day :)
[11:54]  * popey notes canonical have sysadmin position open
[11:55] <diplo> tbh I fairly much do that already, albeit my main role is a web dev I spend most of my time fixing linux related issues
[11:55] <popey> https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=357
[11:55] <oimon> canonical seem to ask for the earth: sysadmin + network admin  + dba
[11:55] <oimon> any idea on salaries?
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> oimon: i²
[11:56] <diplo> Dont you have to do all that sort of stuff at yours oimon ?
[11:56] <oimon> yes except for the cisco stuff
[11:56] <diplo> As per my old company, again even though I'm a web dev now it's anything with a socket on it :)
[11:56] <oimon> we add vmware to that list too :)
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> great, virtual sockets
[11:57] <oimon> so , about the canonical salaries?
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: i²
[11:57] <oimon> -1
[11:58] <popey> oimon: ask JamesTai1
[12:03] <oimon> the job description looks quite good actually
[12:03] <diplo> yeah defo, was thinking the same
[12:03] <popey> people tell me canonical pay quite well
[12:03] <popey> but I dont know any numbers
[12:05] <ging> i know all the numbers
[12:05] <Laney> i only know up to 1000 :(
[12:06] <ging> i know up to quadrillion
[12:06] <Laney> took me a long time to memorise all of those too
[12:06] <ging> think how i feel?
[12:09] <gord> pretty sure canonical is just trying to hire all of #ubuntu-uk. we'll get there one day
[12:12] <diplo> Think I am to unsure of myself to apply for jobs like that though :)
[12:13] <Laney> needs moar ubuntu engineering jobs
[12:21] <czajkowski> gord: pretty sure they're not  <RANT>
[12:26] <popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[12:28]  * czajkowski hugs popey 
[12:28] <czajkowski> back to using putty
[12:28] <czajkowski> feels odd
[12:29] <czajkowski> also all my buttons are opnm the wrong side of the screen
[12:29] <diplo> heh it's odd isn't it
[12:29] <czajkowski> libre office installs but wont launch
[12:29] <diplo> Running win7 and 2 ubuntu machines all side by side, gets quite confusing
[12:36] <bigcalm> Anybody using sharethis.com know if it's possible to add more than just text to outgoing emails?
[12:39] <directhex> i have a snow shovel!
[12:40] <diplo> http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-asteroid
[12:40] <diplo> Sourcecode of files on there page
[12:40] <diplo> good work
[12:54] <bigcalm> Why has a Linkedin invite appeared on the mailing list?
[12:56] <oimon> it's a shame the canonical jobs don't tell u more about the hours per week or more detailed job desc
[12:57] <tonytiger> oimon: hours per week are whatever the magic spaceman demands of you!
[12:57] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:58] <daubers> tonytiger: He's the urban spaceman?
[12:58] <oimon> once while i was working the 4th weekend in a row for my slave driver CEO, he mentioned i was looking rather thin.
[12:58] <oimon> i don't think he made the connection even after i spelled it out
[12:59] <popey> \o/ diplo
[12:59] <popey> er
[12:59] <popey> \o/ directhex
[13:00] <directhex> i'm waiting for the full-size house shovel now.
[13:00] <popey> bigcalm: which mailing list?
[13:00] <directhex> ooh, maybe that's a way to earn some extra cash. shovelling snow.
[13:00] <oimon> brown snow
[13:00] <popey> got it bigcalm, went to my spam folder
[13:00] <bigcalm> popey: ubuntu-uk
[13:00] <daubers> directhex: My father in law has a snow plough attachment for his lawn mower
[13:01] <daubers> He's used it twice since he moved back to the UK 30 odd years ago
[13:01] <bigcalm> daubers: does he go by the name of Mr. Plow?
[13:01] <directhex> snow!
[13:01] <bigcalm> Where?
[13:02] <directhex> plow!
[13:02] <daubers> So...much.... innuendo..... must.... refrain
[13:03]  * popey replies
[13:04] <diplo> I really want to get a shovel and a sled for the boys this winter
[13:04] <czajkowski> 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:04] <czajkowski> 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:04] <czajkowski> 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:04] <czajkowski> 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:04] <czajkowski> :29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:04]  * popey pokes czajkowski 
[13:04] <czajkowski> 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical  :D
[13:05] <popey> oh dear
[13:05]  * oimon shoots za-tab
[13:05] <czajkowski> sorry
[13:05] <daubers> czajkowski: Putty problems?
[13:05] <czajkowski> so not used to putty
[13:05] <czajkowski> sorry folks
[13:05] <popey> :D
[13:05] <czajkowski> thank feck was not worse!
[13:05] <popey> mplayer goats.avi
[13:05] <popey> "oops"
[13:07] <davmor2> popey: you were going for mplayer menwhostareatgoats.avi right ;)
[13:12] <oimon> i'm amazed that VM got the fewest complaints for their bb+phone
[13:12] <oimon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15018161
[13:13] <windmill> hello, I've just installed 11.10 beta1, is aptitude not installed by default?
[13:13] <oimon> nope
[13:13] <windmill> hmm why?
[13:13] <diplo> Hasn't been since 10.04 ?
[13:13] <windmill> :) last version i used
[13:13] <diplo> heh
[13:13] <oimon> apt-get is there still
[13:13] <davmor2> windmill: because why do you need 6 ways to install a package
[13:14] <windmill> true
[13:14] <diplo> Used to still be able to apt-get aptitude, not sure if that is still the case
[13:14] <oimon> sure
[13:14] <oimon> apt-get install aptitude
[13:15] <diplo> davmor2: I did prefer some of the output of aptitude, ie when you did a search it told you wat was installed
[13:15] <diplo> But I don't miss it that much that I have ever reinstalled it
[13:15] <oimon> sometimes i use it to install the recommended packages too
[13:16] <oimon> i wonder what software centre does? bare bones (apt-get) or rec'd packages (aptitude)
[13:16] <davmor2> oimon: What it's told to do ;)
[13:18] <windmill> I don't suppose any of you knowledgeable chaps know how to configure a Finger Sensing Pad, hw: 13.2.1, sw: 1.0.0-K, buttons: 4 to do edge scrolling?
[13:19] <windmill> not sure why it says 4 buttons
[13:20] <windmill> dmesg says : input: FSPPS/2 Sentelic FingerSensingPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio2/input/input10
[13:20] <windmill> I was hoping it would be better supported in linux3
[13:32] <oimon> i didn't know that the russian "simples" meerkat is working on porting android to touchpad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVkj_vdY6s&feature=player_embedded
[13:39] <Laney> MartijnVdS: I got your Banshee hang today, and managed to get some debugging output
[13:39] <Laney> next time you get it (make sure you've started banshee with --redirect-log; the .desktop file does this for you), run killall -SIGQUIT banshee and then look in ~/.config/banshee-1/log
[13:40] <Laney> you should get some tasty debugging output
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> Laney: okay
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> Laney: The dbus/gconf thing looks scary :|
[13:41] <Laney> I think it's maybe related to gconf
[13:41] <Laney> going away during an upgrade?
[13:41] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/131555/
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> It shuold be back after the upgrade, I think
[13:41] <Laney> yes, but banshee may handle the interregnum incorrectly
[13:43] <MartijnVdS> Laney: I'll have a look tonight
[13:43] <Laney> pip pip
[13:45] <tonytiger> windmill: also worth noting that apt-get now has most of the useful functionality from aptitude backported to it
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> tonytiger: it even has more -- aptitude + multiarch is a bit brokenish
[13:46] <tonytiger> sure
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> while apt-get + multiarch works fine
[13:47] <windmill> wow tonytiger, when you typed my nick the xchat logo jumped out from the left of the screen did a little dance and went back!!  that's cool
[13:51] <tonytiger> windmill: wow
[13:52]  * popey rejects someone from https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical
[13:53] <gord> i didn't want to be part of your dumb group for jerks anyway!
[14:02] <Laney> erm wow, this is one of the more fun reboots I've done lately
[14:02] <Laney> no touchpad + no wireless
[14:04] <Laney> :(
[14:09] <daubers> oimon: re: VM complaints, i'd be interested to know what each of those companies classify as a "complaint"
[14:09] <Laney> non-free drivers to the rescue!
[14:09] <oimon> daubers: after reading the article i think the TT complaints were due to billing errors
[14:27] <ali1234> oh wow, those fake AV calls were from an actual microsoft partner, not just some random company?
[14:36]  * popey declines another person from not-canonical
[14:36] <oimon> lol
[14:36] <diplo> Wish you hadn't mentioned it in here ?
[14:36] <diplo> :D
[14:37] <oimon> what's the benefits of the club?
[14:38] <popey> people wont mistake you for a canonical employee
[14:40] <oimon> check out the neckbeards on these fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037285/Amish-men-jailed-orange-triangle-row-refusing-display-safety-signs-buggies.html
[14:41] <oimon> they would be right at home using linux if they didn't spurn all technology
[14:45] <popey> reminds me of a mitchell & webb sketch
[14:46] <popey> http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/2501-David-mitchell-quot-Heaven-and-Earth-quot?s=f8f57fe260c63bdaef625cff342d47cf&p=38424&viewfull=1#post38424
[14:46] <popey> should take you to comment 7
[14:46] <bigcalm> How do you want death to appear in here?
[14:46] <bigcalm> Oops :)
[14:46] <bigcalm> w/w
[14:48] <oimon> the strange thing is that in the 1800s , the Amish way was the height of technology
[14:48] <oimon> it was new fashioned once
[14:49] <oimon> i also don't understand those who insist on quoting the 1611 king james bible to sound more authoritative either
[14:56] <oimon> reading a bit more about the amish, i think some of them actually already exist in the open source community. especially when i read how RMS (used to) read his email
[15:10] <Gizmo_the_Great> hi. Anyone hear know who to add Radio 1 and Capital FM radio channels to Banshee?
[15:10] <Gizmo_the_Great> anyone here, rather!
[15:11] <Gizmo_the_Great> and 'know how', rather!
[15:11] <Gizmo_the_Great> In fact, lets start again! Anyone here know how to add Radio 1 and Capital FM radio channels to Banshee?
[15:24] <Laney> Public service announcement: Dear #ubuntu-uk, Killing D-Bus is not a fun experience. Love, Iain.
[15:27] <oimon> Gizmo_the_Great: if you can add an internet stream, then add http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx
[15:30] <oimon> Gizmo_the_Great: add "internet radio" plugin, then right click it to add a stream
[15:30] <davmor2> gord: don't forget the tea
[15:31] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: hey man. For Capital FM, I tried pasting the live URL that loads when listening online via their website (which does play in Firefox) into Banshee but that didn't work. Tried the same with the link you just sent for Radio 1. That didn't play either
[15:31] <oimon> just did radio 1 on my own pC
[15:31] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: oh rigt - Iwill try adding plugin
[15:31] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: really. Must be something with m laptop config perhaps
[15:31] <oimon> after adding plugin then "Radio" appears on the left hand side in the list
[15:32] <shauno> anyone know how to define what router address radvd advertises?
[15:33] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: I already have Radio in left hand pane? I using the 2.2 version of Banshee
[15:33] <oimon> Gizmo_the_Great: it works for me to right click and add station
[15:33] <shauno> (or alternatively, how to stop linux assigning every interface a link-local address)
[15:33] <oimon> then paste that url i gave and adding a name and genre
[15:33] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: have done so. No audio
[15:34] <oimon> what happens when you click "now playing"
[15:34] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: just says "Connecting....Idle" in a loop
[15:35] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: just the Banshee logo
[15:35] <oimon> mine lokos like this http://ubuntuone.com/1wsUoxGRjhv9VHG9NTUmBr
[15:36] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: interesting. Earlier, when I tried to add Capital FM, the 'Now Playing' screen did show a similar screen, but there was nothing playing. Now, with the Radio 1 'now playing', it says Banshee
[15:37] <oimon> restart banshee :P
[15:37] <Gizmo_the_Great> So with both I hear nothing (but if I play YouTube etc I do hear sound)
[15:37] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: good idea!
[15:37] <oimon> ensure no banshee processes are showing in the process list too
[15:37] <oimon> banshee has a tendency to suck^H^H^H^Hfreeze sometimes
[15:40] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: nope - no joy. I will keep fiddling and see if I can work it out. As long as I wasn't missing the obvious I not too worried. Will be something up with my sound config probably
[15:40] <oimon> i'm not running 2.2 yet though
[15:41] <Gizmo_the_Great> i hva enever used it before. Downloaded and installed for first time today
[15:41] <Gizmo_the_Great> you using 2.1?
[15:41] <xr1> If you using ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 and beta 2 do you need to upgrade to it, on would beta 1 just receive updates as normal?
[15:42] <oimon> 2.01
[15:43] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: sory - I am using that too.
[15:43] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: my mistake
[15:45] <oimon> if you think it's banshee related, i think there's a #banshee irc channel on irc.gnome.org
[15:46] <Gizmo_the_Great> i using Ubuntu 10.04 - you using 11.04?
[15:46] <oimon> 10.04 here
[15:46] <oimon> do your mp3s play ok?
[15:46] <Gizmo_the_Great> Oh well.
[15:46] <Gizmo_the_Great> not tried yet..
[15:47] <oimon> banshee has it's own volume control
[15:47] <oimon> top right of banshee window
[15:48] <Gizmo_the_Great> already checked that.
[15:51] <Azelphur> what was my last disconnect message? :p
[15:56] <bigcalm> Excess Flood
[15:57] <Azelphur> fun, I really need to switch away from pidgin, it's just totally unusable as an IRC client and they refuse to fix it :(
[16:04] <ali1234> Azelphur: don't try to join 800 channels all at once
[16:05] <Azelphur> I don't, I'm in 15 or so and I have ZNC set up to severely rate limit channel joining
[16:05] <Azelphur> I get random excess floods, long after I've connected, while I'm not even touching pidgin, apparently it's a known bug
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> Laney: SIGQUIT doesn't seem to kill banshee
[16:09] <Laney> it's not supposed to
[16:10] <Gizmo_the_Great> Azelphur: just use chatzilla
[16:10] <Laney> it makes it write debugging info to the log
[16:10] <MartijnVdS> it does dump a LOAD of stuff in the log
[16:10] <Azelphur> Gizmo_the_Great: god no lol
[16:10] <Gizmo_the_Great> Azelphur: why not? I like it :-)
[16:10] <Laney> do you see gconf warnings in there just before it crashes?
[16:11] <Azelphur> Gizmo_the_Great: because it lacks in features compared to pretty much every other dedicated IRC client :p
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> Laney: yes
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> [Warn  18:09:21.538] Could no read GConf key plugins.soundmenu.show_notifications - GLib.GException: Er kan geen contact worden gemaakt met de co
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> [Warn  18:09:21.567] Could no read GConf key sources.MusicLibrarySource-Library.status_format - GLib.GException: Er kan geen contact worden gemaa
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> Laney: log attached to bug
[16:12] <Gizmo_the_Great> Azelphur: i don't use IRC for that much which is prob why I like it. Out of curiostiy, what features do you need from IRC that Chatzilla doesn't have - I only ask in case I am missing something cool!
[16:12] <Laney> MartijnVdS: can i have the bug number?
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> Laney: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/banshee/+bug/854845
[16:12] <Laney> ty
[16:12] <Laney> YOU LIE, I SEE IT RIGHT HERE
[16:13] <Azelphur> Gizmo_the_Great: I seem to remember you having to give ChatZilla really strange irc:// urls to make it connect, I remember being told it didn't have SSL support the one time I did try it, I'm pretty sure it won't have a plugin interface (and certainly not a multilanguage one, like XChat), there's probably a number of commands it doesn't support, too.
[16:14] <Gizmo_the_Great> Azelphur: fair points. SSL very valid
[16:17] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: ** (Banshee:17485): CRITICAL **: bp_set_volume: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT(player->volume)' failed
[16:18] <Gizmo_the_Great> oimon: me thinks i has a problem somewhere
[16:59] <windmill> If I was a new user of ubuntu how would I start "system settings" (gnome-control-center)?
[17:00] <windmill> or is the philosophy that I shouldn't need to?
[17:01] <NET||abuse> hi ubuntu folks, been hunting around for jobs the last week, and london options have started coming up, whats' the best rentals site for london, not finding the "canonical" site for this stuff
[17:03] <NET||abuse> i'm seeing rightmove  and zoopla
[17:03] <windmill> moving from?
[17:03] <bigcalm> Anybody fancy explaining this mysql SUM() weirdness? http://paste.ubuntu.com/695197/
[17:04] <NET||abuse> windmill: would be coming from dublin
[17:05] <windmill> heh, stay in dublin, it's nicer :)
[17:18] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:19]  * AlanBell is in the pub
[17:22] <sladen> yo all.  Can I proactively request forgiveness for not showing up to this Happy Hour, even though I'm around the corner in Millbank at the moment?
[17:22] <sladen> AlanBell: please Sire?
[17:23] <AlanBell> just this once :)
[17:23] <sladen> (pre-existing Sauna invitiation from my Finnish ex-housemate who's just moved to London)
[17:24] <AlanBell> clothed or nekkid?
[17:26] <sladen> I do hope proper unclothed nekkid sauna.  Sauna with clothes on sort of defeats the point and is a bit useless for actually getting you clean
[17:27] <sladen> you just end up caked in sweat under the clothes
[17:27] <bigcalm> sladen: wave to czajkowski http://twitter.com/czajkowski/statuses/116926439290445824
[17:30] <sladen> bigcalm: can't see her.  (I have spotted people from this height before)
[17:30] <bigcalm> She may have walked on
[17:30] <sladen> lots of pin-pricks working around far below
[17:30] <sladen> what's the latency since that was posted?
[17:30] <bigcalm> 18:26
[17:43] <sladen> bigcalm: target acquired
[17:44] <sladen> bigcalm: target intercepted
[17:48] <AlanBell> lol
[18:06]  * popey wishes he was in the pub
[18:10]  * Laney will be v. soon
[18:11]  * jpds returns from .de pub.
[18:13] <Laney> was hast du getrunken?
[18:13] <Laney> ich mag weizenbiere
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Weizen <3
[18:15] <jpds> Laney: Ein Weizenbier.
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> jpds: nein, viele Weizenbier\e :)
[18:42] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Nein.
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> :'(
[19:03] <windmill> is anyone running 11.10 yet?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> \o
[19:03] <windmill> Am I supposed to report bugs?
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> well
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> you're not _supposed_ to do anything, of course, if you don't want to
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> but it helps in getting a bug-free release out if you file bugs
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> so it's more of a guilt trip thing :P
[19:05] <windmill> cool, well it is reproducible at least on this machine
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> that helps a lot
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> Does a "Report this bug" dialog pop up?
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> If it doesn't, you can use "ubuntu-bug name_of_program_here" in a terminal
[19:06] <windmill> it does
[19:07] <windmill> all it is is open the home folder from the launch and then maximise
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> windmill: what happens?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> because that works fine for me
[19:08] <windmill> crashes
[19:08] <windmill> lemme try it from a terminal
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> then something should pop up, telling you it crashed
[19:09] <windmill> mm the bug reporter isn't popping up now
[20:33] <JDmaX> ubuntu one does it work?
[21:19] <czajkowski> sladen: *hugs*
[21:21] <czajkowski> great turn out for the happy hour from both community and canonical
[21:39] <Adriannom> anyone?
[21:45] <zleap> hi
[21:45] <Adriannom> hi
[21:45] <zleap> how can i help
[21:45] <Adriannom> got a wrt54gl running backfire with an unknown password.  i'd like to reset the password, tftp a new image, or some other way of unbricking it.  i've followed instructions for both the former and i've having no luck.  tftp just doesn't start, and pressing the restart button when the DMZ light comes on (or when the linksys first broadcasts) makes both power and dmz lights flash, but any attempt to communicate with it r
[21:45] <Adriannom> esults in destination host unreachable.  any ideas?
[21:46] <zleap> what is the default Ip address
[21:46] <Adriannom> 192.168.1.1
[21:46] <zleap> as resetting it could take it back to a default
[21:46] <zleap> hmm, i had one that used 10.0.0.1
[21:47] <zleap> but the internal address range was change able
[21:47] <Adriannom> i'll double check, but everyone says it's 192.168.1.1
[21:47] <zleap> worth trying
[21:47] <Adriannom> and i can connect on that when i boot it
[21:47] <Adriannom> boot normally that is
[21:47] <zleap> ah
[21:47] <zleap> so you need to get into change settings
[21:48] <Adriannom> yeah
[21:48] <zleap> i am not really sure aht backfire is
[21:48] <zleap> what
[21:48] <Adriannom> it's a version of openwrt
[21:49] <Adriannom> well, the latest version in fact
[21:50] <zleap> ok
[21:50] <zleap> i am not sure then
[21:50] <Adriannom> thanks anyway
[21:50] <zleap> np
[21:50] <Adriannom> anyone else know anything i could try?#
[21:50] <zleap> if you are on the mailing list you could ask there
[21:51] <zleap> chat later
[22:15] <AlanBell> evening all
[22:15] <AlanBell> pun was fun
[22:15] <StevenR> lo
[22:15] <AlanBell> pub even!
[22:15] <StevenR> "pun" ?
[22:15] <StevenR> ah
[22:16] <AlanBell> puns are good too
[22:16] <StevenR> ubuntu-related pubbing?
[22:16] <AlanBell> Happy Hour \O/
[22:16] <AlanBell> in /topic
[22:17]  * AlanBell is suitably tiddly
[22:17] <AlanBell> and a bit peckish
[22:31] <Azelphur> is there an app that allows you to keep statistics on what your using your computer for? (Probably by active window, or something)
[22:31] <Azelphur> would be pretty cool to get statistics on it :P
[22:32] <Laney> rescuetime did that, don't know if it still exists
[22:32] <Laney> also non-free, don't know if that matters to you
[22:33] <Azelphur> beer or speech?
[22:33] <Laney> speech
[22:33] <Azelphur> for Ubuntu?
[22:34] <Laney> yeah they have a linux client
[22:34] <Azelphur> would never think someone would make a small quirky app like that for Linux that wouldn't be open source lol
[22:34] <Azelphur> I might use it, I might just write something, decisions :P
[22:35] <Laney> productivity is big bucks
[22:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:23] <AlanBell> hi
[23:43] <Azelphur> been trying to find a module that adds bug tracking capabilities to drupal 7 for months now :(
[23:44] <Azelphur> there's plenty of them for drupal 6, but it's like nobody has bothered to port any of them D: