=== gaussnewton is now known as emrachel === chalcedny is now known as chalcedony [06:58] morning all [07:01] Meauning. === daubers_ is now known as daubers [07:04] Morning [07:16] morning [07:19] Morning all [07:22] !info dbr [07:22] Package dbr does not exist in natty [07:29] Azelphur: plz fix your client [07:30] good morning all [07:30] Myrtti: it's not my client, it's my connection to freenode [07:30] there's a node between me and freenode that keeps dropping/rejecting packets [07:31] causing excess floods/disconnect/etc -.- [07:33] * Azelphur wanders off back to sleep, hopefully it'll stop doing that. [07:37] Azelphur: Sleepwandering? :)_ [08:08] ahoy hoy! Happy hour this evening in Pimlico :) === ubuntuuk-planet2 is now known as ubuntuuk-planet === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 20th October 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | PUB!! Tonight!! http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1257/detail/ [08:13] oops [08:15] morning all [08:15] howdy popey [08:20] Morning peeps :) [08:20] A company has added me on g+. Do I report them or not? Does g+ allow companies? [08:21] depends if you like the company :D [08:21] some companies are allowed [08:21] if they pay Google enough money... [08:21] Morning all! :) [08:22] Reid Electrical [08:22] Electrical Wholesaler in Lincolnshire [08:22] I can see tonytiger in its circles [08:22] lol bigcalm I've just been talking to them [08:23] They are one of my customers [08:23] Well my companies customers [08:23] `.` [08:23] She only signed up to G+ yesterday [08:24] * bigcalm tuts [08:24] Hmm she seems to have gone through my circles and added nearly everyone [08:24] Not a good move [08:25] No [08:25] M ight get herself kicked off [08:25] I'd have a word [08:26] Think I will, not sure she gets it :) [08:26] Don't know her that well, just a customer I chat to once a month or so [08:27] Oh, the London happy hour is tonight, isn't it? [08:27] Apparently [08:27] By chance I've ended up being dispatched to London tonight, *and* I happen to be wearing a ubuntu t-shirt [08:27] I suppose I need to go drinking [08:27] \o/ [08:27] * popey can't go [08:27] popey: Banned from the city? [08:28] HEh [08:29] hah, I have an appointment [08:30] bigcalm: I just got added by Reid too. I have no interest in them at the moment, but I have no issue of they want to follow me. I do not feel compelled to follow back. [08:31] * TheOpenSourcerer is out for beer and curry tonight. [08:31] I rarely follow people who follow me. I raised the issue as I wasn't sure if companies were allowed to do this [08:31] block + report spam [08:32] I'm sure I read something a while back that Google were going to do something slightly different for companies. [08:33] yeah, I think it is best to be a well behaved company and wait until google tells us how to do it properly [08:33] I think those who jump the gun and use personal profiles will regret it somehow [08:34] I'm giving this one the benefit of the doubt as diplo says it's a new/confused user [08:35] Going to phone her shortly, not sure what to say :) but will call her about her ways [08:35] She's added people like Jono etc who are all State side :) [08:35] yeah, they don't annoy me, I just think they will regret it [08:37] this is sort of funny http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8780657/Nasa-satellite-the-size-of-bus-could-land-almost-anywhere.html [08:38] unless it hits you [08:50] My my, Andy Piper is a chatty fellow :) [08:58] I've emailed her guys, so hope that stops her :) [09:01] I'd apologise but not sure it's my fault or is it... :/ [09:04] Heh [09:04] What did you tell her about g+ [09:04] ? [09:05] howdy [09:06] I said it's your decision, but you are likely to get banned/deleted if you do it as mos tof the people on my circles are technical they will just report you, plus most are not UK based, well a fair few [09:11] No reply yet :) Or call [09:11] Not the best person at calling/writng emails about stuff like this :P [09:16] argh, I want more toast, but if I eat more, I'll be scolded for scoffing the whole bag [09:16] and it's raining outside :-( [09:18] The reply, "Woops sorry! I didn’t know they were people you knew as I don’t really know how to use it " [09:19] I'll maybe send another explaining in's and out's [09:19] :) [09:24] Myrtti: I like rain :( [09:26] daubers: so do I, when I'm indoors and I don't have to walk to the shop to get more toast [09:27] Myrtti: Why do you buy toast? Why not just get bread and a toaster? [09:27] ah, this same old problem [09:28] in Finnish the bread you put in the toaster, the square fluffy white bread is called "toaster bread" [09:28] so there, s/toast/bread/ [09:29] Myrtti: you get that a lot? Also, this is what umbrellas are for :D [09:29] ok, I'm getting more annoyed than this conversation warrants for, time to go brew more tea and hang out some laundry [09:30] \o/ cultural diversity [09:33] Buying bread suitable for toasting in Japan was a laugh [09:34] Found a packet of 7 slices [09:44] "French Toast" always confuses me. [09:46] surely that would be something like "pain grillé" [09:46] is french toast the one where you butter it first? [09:46] oh, no, eggy bread [09:47] http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wentelteefje [09:47] popey: how did you do the irc < - > mc stuff? [09:47] a script [09:47] tztk-server.pl [09:48] join #ubuntu-uk-minecraft and you'll see it in action [09:48] im there now and again [09:48] its awesome [09:48] oh :D [09:48] its fun given there's 3 servers doing it [09:49] hehe [09:49] google adsense adverts will be getting a G+ +1 button [09:49] yeah [09:49] I LIKE THIS ADVERT! [09:49] (please give me some revenue) [09:49] cos everyone loves ads... [09:49] which is the first move in getting company profiles on G+, they will be linked to addsense accounts [09:50] and then they will get a bit enforcy with people setting up company names on personal profiles [09:50] the entirely predictable strategy is emerging [09:51] Still no sign of Apps accounts though :( [09:52] are you 'allowed' multiple G+ accounts? [09:53] I have loads of Google profiles, at least 6. [09:53] if i sign into G+ on all of them it'll be a mess to manage [09:55] popey: yeah [09:55] you can 'switch account' [09:56] i already do that [09:56] but i dont want to have multiple G+ accounts [09:56] it'd be good to have the 'join account' option like 'join contacts' in Android. [09:56] i already have ~900 people who are 'following' me on G+ [09:57] haha, only just noticed the animation when you delete a circle in G+ [10:03] Ah, stars around a word in g+ makes it *bold*, like irc [10:03] Well, some irc client will make that bold [10:03] yeah, annoyingly _underscores_ make it italics [10:03] not underlined [10:03] Silly that [10:04] i like how they updated a grammatically poor message with another similarly bad one :"This site is down for maintenance. We are will be restoring service shortly. Thank you for your patience.The Linux Foundation" [10:05] moorfields eye hospital using open source patient record system \o/ [10:06] yay [10:09] Can I ask some advice guys on a setup [10:09] We are a development company [10:09] But we also look after customers sites/servers / software installs / updates etc [10:10] I want to to make more secure [10:10] They basically have very simple passwords on all sites, a lot of the passwords are teh same [10:10] So thoughts are to go key based, disable root access remotely [10:12] Issue is, we have 17 staff, and 80+ customer sites, anyone of the 17 staff could need to access any of the sites.. simplest way of sorting the key based set up that anyone can think of? [10:12] anyone for a new HDD... http://www.langtoninfo.co.uk/showitem.aspx?isbn=0842024015444 [10:13] And if we disable root access remotely do you think having a hard root password on different sites but using the same is an issue, I'd rather have different pass's but boss is worried about having 80+ root passwords to deal with [10:15] sudo ? [10:19] Old versions of CentOs/SCO mainly, so Cent could have sudo set up, don't think they want to do though [10:19] They want it simple [10:23] diplo: have a gateway box that people ssh to, and ssh only allowed from there [10:25] booking my car for a service and there's a question "Some cars require a fully synthetic or long life oil, does your car need this?" [10:26] how would i know? [10:26] oimon: My reply would be, "You're the mechanic/garage, does it?" [10:27] popey: I suggested that to the boss man, only thing is he wants people to ssh from there own users [10:27] So that is back to my Q about easy way of managing lots of keys between users I gues [10:28] Some googling is needed i guess [10:30] oimon: performance cars sometimes do [10:30] popey: cheers. that is all i need :) [10:36] I used to use fully synthetic in my car, it really should be down to the garage to put what you need in the car, there are recommended oils [10:36] Thing with fully synthetic is that it's alot thinner [10:37] So if you have any loose seals you will defo know about it as you will get oil leaking :) [10:38] Hi [10:39] I need help please ! [10:41] Hi Nour_al_imen [10:41] !ask | Nour_al_imen [10:41] Nour_al_imen: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [10:41] !ask | Nour_al_imen [10:41] Heh [10:42] ok sorry [10:42] I m conducting a study [10:42] on open source [10:42] morning all [10:42] and how to spread it [10:42] make something good, it will spread like wild fire [10:42] and I'm looking for studies relaying this subject [10:42] ping bigcalm [10:43] I want to search rather for govermental plicies [10:43] policies [10:43] I want to act in my organisation [10:43] to change these policies [10:43] in order to spread open source [10:44] Nour_al_imen: I'm not sure there are any studies like that. You can find studies on people using opensource, like the french [10:44] I found some as for example the candian University moving to ubuntu [10:45] the army in france moving to ubnutu [10:45] see ? [10:45] And also schools in india [10:45] etc [10:45] Nour_al_imen: your best bet will probably be to just google it [10:45] simon phipps gave a talk at oggcamp about it, [10:45] and mentioned some good organisations to contact [10:46] good ! a link please ! [10:46] i dont think Simons talk was recorded [10:46] or if it was, the recording was lost [10:47] :( [10:47] But right now in UK is there some moves to spread OSS ? [10:47] thanks oimon [10:47] I mean actions or plans ? [10:48] Nour_al_imen: take a look at simon's website anyway. http://www.webmink.net/ he is a sensible version of RMS [10:48] ok [10:48] thx [10:49] All right I think I'll contact him [10:49] I'm on a windows machine and it feels rather odd, however really nice dell Vostro desktop! [10:49] the process is difficult because the government promises to consider open source, but the consultants are entrenched in the MS/Oracle/ way and don't recommend other stuff [10:50] yes same for my country but we'r struggling for our causses [10:50] All right I think I'll contact him [10:50] Anyone has other organisations to contact ? [10:50] http://opensource.org/ [10:50] EFF [10:51] fsf [10:54] what do you mean by FSF [10:55] free software foundation [10:55] http://www.fsf.org/ [11:05] Ok thx [11:05] I wrote to simmon [11:05] hope he will answer me [11:06] lots of information is out there, you just need to read it :) [11:07] MooDoo: you online yet? man anyone would think he'd had the baby ;) [11:08] Hes posted to G+ [11:11] * czajkowski stabs MooDoo welcome back [11:12] * czajkowski kicks davmor2 shrup ya pup [11:12] diplo: I know but he's got a computer at Home I'm sure :) [11:13] czajkowski: Don't make me come over there and turn the firehose on you young lady [11:14] :p [11:17] the probability of making a typing error increases sharply when you know the delete key isn't working :-\ [11:44] directhex: Just saw your comments about insurance on twitter, the same happened to me AA quoted £800 underwritten with LIverpool Victoria, went direct to LV & got it for £300 [11:45] why do i pay so much for insurance :( [11:46] Do you have a woman as a named driver on the policy? [11:46] not anymore! [11:46] * oimon does [11:46] Thats why [11:46] insurance costs so much because of fraud [11:46] kicking the wife off the policy saved a bunch of money [11:46] it has gone up about 40% in the last 2 yrs [11:46] Mine is cheaper with my wife as a named driver despite her having about 18 years less driving experience than me [11:46] oimon, wasn't there some change in the law to stop no-win-no-fee fraud claims? [11:47] DJones: I just got quotes without my ex wife on there, and @ current £480, now £250, so not sure that's still current [11:47] Wierd, mine goes down by about £30 when I add her [11:48] Well, mine is due in 2 weeks. Phoning around tomorrow / web [11:48] the system sucks [11:48] See what I can find, but so far it seems cheaper [11:49] Going to also phone my current provider and say why are you £200 dearer than everyone else when I have been with you X years [11:49] i asked mine [11:49] I used comparethemaverikmeerkat for mine, saved me £500 a year [11:49] i didn't use them [11:49] there's been an across-the-board increase [11:49] i find their "use us and we'll find you the cheapest qu^W^Wa meerkat plushie!" condescneding [11:50] "the main factors fuelling the record hike in premiums are the rising cost of personal injury claims and fraud" [11:50] Saved enough to pay mine in full this year I hope, so save me £40-50 a month + the charge to pay by DD [11:50] fraudulent meerkats [11:50] Ill have to postpone my plans for driving school [11:50] i was sad to discover that the fat opera bloke one was the cheapest, to my wife's amusement [11:50] diplo, on the credit card, along with the rest of my spiralling debt [11:51] was quite a bitter moment when I made the decision [11:51] heh, that's the second choice.. just took out a new one with 15months 0% [11:51] i don't care if the iggy pop company costs 1p, i won't use them [11:52] I refused to go on the fat opera blokes website, the adverts are just too annoying, even with a mute button [11:52] bloody hell, credit card is looking dire :/ [11:52] sell your kidneys? [11:52] maybe not both [11:52] time for part-time work [11:53] Sell car...No need for insurance then [11:53] Just paid mine off \o/ Checked my elec bill and was £450+ in credit [11:53] indeed, /me doesn't drive [11:53] * oimon will have a job opening soon for a linux geek [11:54] oimon: If you were not so far away I'd jump at a chance of a new job [11:54] especially one where you play with linux all day :) [11:54] * popey notes canonical have sysadmin position open [11:55] tbh I fairly much do that already, albeit my main role is a web dev I spend most of my time fixing linux related issues [11:55] https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICAL&cws=1&rid=357 [11:55] canonical seem to ask for the earth: sysadmin + network admin + dba [11:55] any idea on salaries? [11:56] oimon: i² [11:56] Dont you have to do all that sort of stuff at yours oimon ? [11:56] yes except for the cisco stuff [11:56] As per my old company, again even though I'm a web dev now it's anything with a socket on it :) [11:56] we add vmware to that list too :) [11:57] great, virtual sockets [11:57] so , about the canonical salaries? [11:57] oimon: i² [11:57] -1 [11:58] oimon: ask JamesTai1 [12:03] the job description looks quite good actually [12:03] yeah defo, was thinking the same [12:03] people tell me canonical pay quite well [12:03] but I dont know any numbers [12:05] i know all the numbers [12:05] i only know up to 1000 :( [12:06] i know up to quadrillion [12:06] took me a long time to memorise all of those too [12:06] think how i feel? [12:09] pretty sure canonical is just trying to hire all of #ubuntu-uk. we'll get there one day [12:12] Think I am to unsure of myself to apply for jobs like that though :) [12:13] needs moar ubuntu engineering jobs [12:21] gord: pretty sure they're not [12:26] well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [12:28] * czajkowski hugs popey [12:28] back to using putty [12:28] feels odd [12:29] also all my buttons are opnm the wrong side of the screen [12:29] heh it's odd isn't it [12:29] libre office installs but wont launch [12:29] Running win7 and 2 ubuntu machines all side by side, gets quite confusing [12:36] Anybody using sharethis.com know if it's possible to add more than just text to outgoing emails? [12:39] i have a snow shovel! [12:40] http://www.parrot.com/uk/products/hands-free-car-kits/parrot-asteroid [12:40] Sourcecode of files on there page [12:40] good work [12:54] Why has a Linkedin invite appeared on the mailing list? [12:56] it's a shame the canonical jobs don't tell u more about the hours per week or more detailed job desc [12:57] oimon: hours per week are whatever the magic spaceman demands of you! [12:57] Heh [12:58] tonytiger: He's the urban spaceman? [12:58] once while i was working the 4th weekend in a row for my slave driver CEO, he mentioned i was looking rather thin. === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [12:58] i don't think he made the connection even after i spelled it out [12:59] \o/ diplo [12:59] er [12:59] \o/ directhex [13:00] i'm waiting for the full-size house shovel now. [13:00] bigcalm: which mailing list? [13:00] ooh, maybe that's a way to earn some extra cash. shovelling snow. [13:00] brown snow [13:00] got it bigcalm, went to my spam folder [13:00] popey: ubuntu-uk [13:00] directhex: My father in law has a snow plough attachment for his lawn mower [13:01] He's used it twice since he moved back to the UK 30 odd years ago [13:01] daubers: does he go by the name of Mr. Plow? [13:01] snow! [13:01] Where? [13:02] plow! [13:02] So...much.... innuendo..... must.... refrain [13:03] * popey replies [13:04] I really want to get a shovel and a sled for the boys this winter [13:04] 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:04] 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:04] 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:04] 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:04] :29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:04] * popey pokes czajkowski [13:04] 13:29 < popey> well, everyone who isn't is free to join https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical :D [13:05] oh dear [13:05] * oimon shoots za-tab [13:05] sorry [13:05] czajkowski: Putty problems? [13:05] so not used to putty [13:05] sorry folks [13:05] :D [13:05] thank feck was not worse! [13:05] mplayer goats.avi [13:05] "oops" [13:07] popey: you were going for mplayer menwhostareatgoats.avi right ;) [13:12] i'm amazed that VM got the fewest complaints for their bb+phone [13:12] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15018161 [13:13] hello, I've just installed 11.10 beta1, is aptitude not installed by default? [13:13] nope [13:13] hmm why? [13:13] Hasn't been since 10.04 ? [13:13] :) last version i used [13:13] heh [13:13] apt-get is there still [13:13] windmill: because why do you need 6 ways to install a package [13:14] true [13:14] Used to still be able to apt-get aptitude, not sure if that is still the case [13:14] sure [13:14] apt-get install aptitude [13:15] davmor2: I did prefer some of the output of aptitude, ie when you did a search it told you wat was installed [13:15] But I don't miss it that much that I have ever reinstalled it [13:15] sometimes i use it to install the recommended packages too [13:16] i wonder what software centre does? bare bones (apt-get) or rec'd packages (aptitude) [13:16] oimon: What it's told to do ;) [13:18] I don't suppose any of you knowledgeable chaps know how to configure a Finger Sensing Pad, hw: 13.2.1, sw: 1.0.0-K, buttons: 4 to do edge scrolling? [13:19] not sure why it says 4 buttons [13:20] dmesg says : input: FSPPS/2 Sentelic FingerSensingPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio2/input/input10 [13:20] I was hoping it would be better supported in linux3 [13:32] i didn't know that the russian "simples" meerkat is working on porting android to touchpad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IVkj_vdY6s&feature=player_embedded [13:39] MartijnVdS: I got your Banshee hang today, and managed to get some debugging output [13:39] next time you get it (make sure you've started banshee with --redirect-log; the .desktop file does this for you), run killall -SIGQUIT banshee and then look in ~/.config/banshee-1/log [13:40] you should get some tasty debugging output [13:40] Laney: okay [13:41] Laney: The dbus/gconf thing looks scary :| [13:41] I think it's maybe related to gconf [13:41] going away during an upgrade? [13:41] http://paste.debian.net/131555/ [13:41] It shuold be back after the upgrade, I think [13:41] yes, but banshee may handle the interregnum incorrectly [13:43] Laney: I'll have a look tonight [13:43] pip pip [13:45] windmill: also worth noting that apt-get now has most of the useful functionality from aptitude backported to it [13:46] tonytiger: it even has more -- aptitude + multiarch is a bit brokenish [13:46] sure [13:46] while apt-get + multiarch works fine [13:47] wow tonytiger, when you typed my nick the xchat logo jumped out from the left of the screen did a little dance and went back!! that's cool [13:51] windmill: wow [13:52] * popey rejects someone from https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical [13:53] i didn't want to be part of your dumb group for jerks anyway! [14:02] erm wow, this is one of the more fun reboots I've done lately [14:02] no touchpad + no wireless [14:04] :( [14:09] oimon: re: VM complaints, i'd be interested to know what each of those companies classify as a "complaint" [14:09] non-free drivers to the rescue! [14:09] daubers: after reading the article i think the TT complaints were due to billing errors [14:27] oh wow, those fake AV calls were from an actual microsoft partner, not just some random company? [14:36] * popey declines another person from not-canonical [14:36] lol [14:36] Wish you hadn't mentioned it in here ? [14:36] :D [14:37] what's the benefits of the club? [14:38] people wont mistake you for a canonical employee [14:40] check out the neckbeards on these fellas http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2037285/Amish-men-jailed-orange-triangle-row-refusing-display-safety-signs-buggies.html [14:41] they would be right at home using linux if they didn't spurn all technology === Tricky is now known as Guest64438 [14:45] reminds me of a mitchell & webb sketch [14:46] http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/2501-David-mitchell-quot-Heaven-and-Earth-quot?s=f8f57fe260c63bdaef625cff342d47cf&p=38424&viewfull=1#post38424 [14:46] should take you to comment 7 [14:46] How do you want death to appear in here? [14:46] Oops :) [14:46] w/w [14:48] the strange thing is that in the 1800s , the Amish way was the height of technology [14:48] it was new fashioned once [14:49] i also don't understand those who insist on quoting the 1611 king james bible to sound more authoritative either [14:56] reading a bit more about the amish, i think some of them actually already exist in the open source community. especially when i read how RMS (used to) read his email [15:10] hi. Anyone hear know who to add Radio 1 and Capital FM radio channels to Banshee? [15:10] anyone here, rather! [15:11] and 'know how', rather! [15:11]