[00:18] <Daekdroom> !schedule
[00:41] <OerHeks> Oneiric beta 2 runs great, sofar :-)
[00:57] <Kronsby> how do you upgrade from ubuntu 11.10 beta 1 to 11.10 beta 2
[00:58] <rww> Kronsby: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:58] <rww> !final
[00:58] <rww> (also applies to milestone dev releases)
[00:59] <Kronsby> thanks!
[02:19] <micahg> how do I change system fonts size?
[02:19] <Viper550> micahg, get gnome-tweak-tool
[02:19] <Viper550> cause Gnome 3 happened, and it crippled everything else
[02:19] <micahg> Viper550: thanks
[02:19] <Viper550> it also gives you more themes than just Ambiance/Radience
[02:20] <micahg> that requires shell :(
[02:20] <micahg> jbicha: is there a reason for that ^^
[02:23] <jbicha> micahg: gnome-tweak-tool crashes if the gnome-shell gsettings schemas aren't installed
[02:23] <Viper550> and gnome-tweak-tool can set gnome-shell themes too
[02:23] <micahg> jbicha: that seems like a packaging snafu
[02:24] <micahg> and a bug in gnome-tweak-tool that it's required :(
[02:25] <jbicha> micahg: the upstream dev was blaming dconf/gsettings for it, but maybe a try: test should be used
[02:25] <micahg> jbicha: any other packages like this that just require the schemas?
[02:26] <jbicha> none that I can think of off-hand, but maybe ccsm will once compiz switches to gsettings
[02:27] <micahg> hmmm, probably not worth it for one package, but I was thinking gnome-shell-common...
[02:28] <jbicha> micahg: yeah, gnome-shell is just one package with a bunch of dependencies
[02:28] <jbicha> getting the bug fixed is a prerequisite to getting Unity configs into gnome-tweak-tool which I think a lot of people would like to see
[02:29] <micahg> jbicha: the alternative is create gnome-shell-common with the schemas file :)
[02:29] <Viper550> Also is it me, or does the installer from "Install Ubuntu" option have no wallpaper?
[02:32] <td123> so I heard that unity supports a fallback, or gnome2 interface?
[02:33] <Viper550> td123, no it doesn't. Its got a 2D port now
[02:33] <td123> oh, did it use to?
[02:33] <Viper550> td123, previous version used Gnome 2.x as the fallback
[02:33] <td123> oh
[02:33] <td123> ok
[02:33] <Viper550> due to Gnome 3, they can no longer offer this by default
[02:37] <td123> lastly, does ubuntu plan on ever supporting a gnome3 spin of ubuntu?
[02:37] <td123> or is it just putting all of its weight behind unity
[02:39] <rww> Unity uses GNOME 3. If you mean "GNOME Shell", no.
[02:39] <rww> (Although GNOME Shell is in the repositories, just not a separate spin.)
[02:40] <rww> !notunity
[02:41] <td123> ok, ya
[02:41] <td123> I was only speaking about gnome-shell
[02:42] <jbicha> except that gnome-shell is uninstallable today :(
[02:42] <rww> true
[02:42] <micahg> what's broken?
[02:43] <rww> 23:45 < bjsnider> macer1, gnome-shell 3.2 rc1 is waiting to be built pending the arrival of dependencies. when those are built, the shell will be. i would hold off on updating until then
[02:44] <jbicha> micahg: we're waiting on caribou but Debian (bigon) might reshuffle how things are installed and didn't want to do a C/R if not necessary
[02:44] <micahg> oh, right, caribou
[02:45] <jbicha> but I don't want to wait all weekend so we'll see...
[02:45] <td123> thanks, bye
[02:46] <jbicha> and the cogl transition happened at the same time
[02:51] <bjsnider> jbicha, i say wait until it's done right. anybody running oneiric right now is fully aware that breakage happens and if they update anyway it's their own fault
[02:54] <bjsnider> caribou was only packaged in debian 2 weeks ago, so it's an infant
[02:56] <jbicha> lol, it's too experimental to even land in Debian experimental :)
[02:58] <td123> hi, just came in to say that I might have spotted a bug in the beta 2 installer, when you select the erase my hdd and click next, it autoselects the /dev/zram or something similar dev node, this is obviously a bug as it shouldn't be there
[03:02] <bjsnider> td123, if you believe that's a bug, submit a bug report to launchpad
[03:05] <rww> !bug
[03:05]  * rww ponders adding "IRC channels are not a replacement for actually filing bugs in Launchpad." a la /topic
[03:09] <td123> do you think it's a bug?
[03:10] <bjsnider> td123, no one will come to your house and kill you if it isn't. and if it is you will have helped fix it. the package is "ubiquity" i think
[03:11] <td123> hmm, launchpad.net doesn't seem to be working atm
[03:12] <td123> nvm
[03:15] <td123> fine, I'll file a bug, couldn't find anything related which was reported
[03:23] <DeviceZer0> anyone know why the stable thunderbird ppa has been disabled? https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/thunderbird-stable is it due to ubuntu now using tb?
[03:24] <micahg> DeviceZer0: because Firefox 7 isn't released yet?
[03:24] <micahg> DeviceZer0: you can still get 6.0.2 which is the current stable
[03:25] <micahg> I'll reenable publishing on release day after upstream releases
[03:28] <DeviceZer0> well..ive been using the thunderbird ppa on 11.04
[03:28] <DeviceZer0> trying to see what ppa's have been built for 11.10 so far...trying to install beta2
[03:29] <micahg> DeviceZer0: oneiric has 7.0b3 for thunderbird which is latest current
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> oh. ok. awesome
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> i guess i was still in the mindsight of ubuntu having old versions...
[03:29] <DeviceZer0> as iirc has been the case in the past
[03:30] <micahg> dev release is usually up to date
[06:11] <knightstalker> Heyz,libcogl2 is removed so partial upgrade is necessary and expected?
[06:14] <urlin2u> knightstalker, I still have libcogl2,and get the same partial, in general these things work themselves out; by waiting for the packages missing to be included, i other words updae at your own risk.
[06:14] <urlin2u> in*
[06:14] <knightstalker> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1848491
[06:15] <knightstalker> "New clutter (libclutter0_1.8.0-1) and mutter (libmutter0_3.1.92) depend on libcogl5 instead of old libcogl2. This is why you cannot install them now or else, gnome-shell is removed"
[06:15] <knightstalker> Doesn't seem to be missing,but to be replaced
[06:15] <knightstalker> licogl5 will be installed as additional package in this update
[06:16] <urlin2u> missing in the update cluster.
[06:17] <knightstalker> you mean that even if its replaced,they can do something that Update Manager makes sure its safe?
[06:17] <knightstalker> If thats the case I thing I'll wait :p
[06:17] <knightstalker> think*
[06:19] <urlin2u> knightstalker, I'm not a developer, but if this is the problem it will be worked out, I'm not updating as well till all is clear, I ran a update && upgrade and it failed as well, before checking the update manager, I rarely use it lol.
[06:21] <knightstalker> Thanks :)
[06:32] <bullgard4> What does this response mean: '~$ sudo dhclient eth0; RTNETLINK answers: File exists.'?
[06:52] <Volkodav> what's up with gir1.2-cogl-1.0 <== causes partial upgrade for 2 days now ?
[07:04] <jbicha> Volkodav: it's only been 24 hours & we're waiting on caribou which might be a couple days
[07:06] <Volkodav> ok so to wait is a good option
[08:07] <Q-FUNK> seems that gnome-shell and gnome-tweak-tool both need a rebuild against recent gnome3 depends. is it worth filing a bug for that?
[08:07] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gnome-shell is dep-wait
[08:09] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gnome-tweak-tool should be fine after gnome-shell builds
[08:10] <Q-FUNK> micahg: ah, it's already queued?
[08:11] <micahg> Q-FUNK: yep, 3.1.92 is waiting on caribou
[08:11] <Q-FUNK> ok, good to know. thanks!
[08:12] <micahg> Q-FUNK: gjs needs sponsoring if you're up for it, so gnome-shell won't need yet another rebuild when caribou comes along :)
[08:12] <Q-FUNK> I also have another issue, but I'm not usre what is causing it.  even though this desktop has always been configured to use fi_FI, gnoem suddenly thinks that I'm using lv_LV.  since this is gnome3, I have no idea what could cause it. any hint?
[08:13] <Q-FUNK> micahg: I sadly don't have rights to main, except for one package.
[08:13] <micahg> not me, sorry, but some of the other wise people might
[08:13] <micahg> Q-FUNK: all this stuff is in universe
[08:13] <Q-FUNK> is it just a straight build upload?
[08:14] <micahg> it's a bzr branch in the sponsorship quee
[08:14] <micahg> *queue
[08:14] <micahg> Q-FUNK: we should probably move to -motu to discuss it
[08:34] <thotz> hello, has anyone this problem: when I close a maximized window then there are a few black stripes at the top left side?
[08:36] <thotz> i
[08:36] <thotz> i am using beta 2
[09:36] <vega-> how do i disable this "crash report system", appport or whatever?
[09:36] <vega-> i don't need it popping up every 2 minutes when something crashes
[09:37] <vega-> besides it never manages to send any reports for that matter
[09:39] <moin> I am not able to install gnome-shell after upgrading to beta2, i get the error: gnome-shell : Depends: libcogl2 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not going to be installed
[09:40] <moin> i have all my required repositories enabled.
[09:42] <moin> someone help  me with the above problem.
[09:47] <moin> am i in the wrong channel or what, someone surely knows how i can resolve the problem above, i thought we have  ubuntu developers here,or just a bunch of helpless users?
[09:47] <hej> moin, and the problem is?
[09:47] <tomodachi> moin: you sure know how to ask for help
[09:48] <moin> i just posted  above about not being able to install gnome-shell after upgrading to beta2, i get the  error: nome-shell : Depends: libcogl2 (>= 1.7.4) but it is not going to be  installed
[09:48] <moin> tomodachi: hej ^
[09:48] <hej> you've proberbly got this question a few times but... what is the updated ETA on Beta2? according to the roadmap it was scheduled to yesterday
[09:49] <moin> hej: am afraid, so?
[09:49] <moin> what if it was scheduled for yesterday?
[09:50] <vega-> beta2 is released, read the topic
[09:50] <moin> i installed it and it broke my gnome3-session in favor of unity which i dont find appealing at all
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> moin: are there any bugs reported?
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> moin: Unity runs in Gnome3, Unity is not a DE
[09:52] <moin> ActionParsnip: bug 856481, after a google
[09:53] <moin> ActionParsnip: i know unity runs in gnome3, what i care for is gnome3-shell, unity shell, am afraid, sucks!
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> moin: I use LXDE so imho Gnome Desktop in general sucks
[09:53] <ActionParsnip> moin: I do however use it so I can help others
[09:56] <moin> ActionParsnip: gnome desktop sucks too, i dont differ, but with gnome-shell extensions, its customizable. Unity isnt customizable, that, i beleive is why many *open* source users detaste it
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> moin: I've also seen people with dual screens suffer with it
[09:57] <moin> Gnome2 interface sucked compared to windows* interfaces, but we still survived as linux users because Gnome was customizable. You could do away with the panels and have awn and cairo dock beutify your desktop
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> KDE is nice and simple too
[09:59] <moin> tell me how i can do away with that dash, or taskbar or whatever unity develpers call it, its almost impossible. Gorcing users to have to do with what comes with the OS, doesnt microsoft do that too, Canonical is slowly becoming the Microsoft of Linux Community
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> moin: install a different DE and you will be fine
[10:00] <hej> :)
[10:00] <ActionParsnip> moin: xfce is a lot like gnome2 classic desktop
[10:00] <moin> ActionParsnip: anyways about Gnome3-shell being installable, i got the answer here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11277115
[10:01] <moin> so i'll be patiant till packages arte rebuilt
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> moin: they don't for ce you in any way at all. There is Kubuntu, XUbuntu and LUbuntu which do not use the Unity stuff you dislike. YOU chose to install the gnome based one..
[10:02] <vega-> i think canonical tries to mimic apple more than microsoft...
[10:03] <moin> ActionParsnip: I LOVE gtk3, its cooler than the counterparts used in KDE or XFCE so i'll stick to Gnome, do away with what sucks and live happily ever after. but I cant and I believe even Shuttleworth himself usually experiences trouble with Unity. He just doesnt want to admit it,
[10:03] <jpds> vega-: https://twitter.com/DEVOPS_BORAT/status/112178188913868800
[10:04] <moin> May the true unity diehards please stand up ....
[10:04] <jml> My screen dims after 10 seconds of inactivity, even though the power is plugged in.
[10:05] <moin> then go fuck yourselves!
[10:05] <bazhang> moin, stop that
[10:05] <jml> where would I file a bug about this?
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> moin: some love it, some hate it. I don't care personally. Just change DE and your moaning will stop
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> oh well
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> jml: check power options first
[10:06] <jml> ActionParsnip: Of course. There's no option at all for dimming the display.
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> jml: could run:  ubuntu-bug acpi
[10:10] <jml> There's a checkbox under "Screen" that says "Dim display to save power"
[10:10] <jml> But no way of enabling that for battery usage.
[10:59] <gnomie> oneiric [unity2d] successfully installed on pentium4 2.66ghz, 1 gig ram, integrated graphics! :D
[11:00] <macer1> gnomie, and how it works ;)?
[11:00] <gnomie> usb wifi dongle too.. it works~!
[11:01] <gnomie> ubuntuone is behaving quite well too as far as sync'ing and nautilus integration
[11:02] <gnomie> oneconf-query has been bugging out though
[11:03] <vega-> it keeps crashing all the time
[11:04] <gnomie> thunderbird's setup is quite elegant too. impressed
[11:05] <gnomie> no more googling about it
[11:07] <gnomie> the installer is slick as well.. glad to see it doesn't 'check' if the puter is plugged in [lulz]
[11:08] <gnomie> too long enough to scratch that one
[11:09] <gnomie> s/too/took
[11:12] <gnomie> but, was sad that software center didnt list irssi [only smuxi] had to install via terminal [which kinda eluded me when tried to search for it in dash]
[11:12] <gnomie> terminal , that is
[11:13] <gnomie> it shows up now though..
[11:13] <gnomie> whew
[11:17] <gnomie> another weird thing that happens every time i fresh install is that launchpad refuses to accept my password
[11:17]  * gnomie shrugs
[11:18] <gnomie> once i get it going [setting a new one] is fine
[11:26] <greywulf> ubuntu 10.04 update manager offering a partial upgrade. Is this bad?
[11:29] <arand> greywulf: Tends to be, although, depends on the circumstance, also, 10.04 is supported in #ubuntu
[11:34] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:35] <kbroulik> hm the Kernel 3.0 changelog says "Native screen brightness changing for intel i915" but without acpi_osi=Linux nothing happens and with acpi_osi=Linux the brightness is changeable but in weird steps. dark, extremly bright, a bit bright, dark, a bit more bright etc
[11:48] <macer1> if it works with acpi_osi, it is your BIOS bug...
[12:27] <dudism> good morning vietnam
[12:27] <dudism> i still wonder why apt-get is so slow on my computer
[12:29] <dudism> i use btrfs
[12:29] <DeadPanda> can anyone confirm whether the binary libguestfs packages are working on 11.10?  it's the only thing keeping me from testing the beta
[12:30] <BluesKaj> dudism, doubt the fs has much to do with the internet speed from the repos
[12:32] <gnomie> DeadPanda: we are currently looking for fearless testers
[12:33] <gnomie> since you're a DeadPanda , i think you kinda meet the criteria
[12:33] <DeadPanda> gnomie, heh ;) yeah, I guess there's only one way to find out (they're not in the repo's though anyway, so I'm not sure it's of value to the Ubuntu team)
[12:35]  * gnomie munches on wonton soup with shrimps
[12:50] <BluesKaj> Fonts can't be adjusted in system settings as root and.it's a pi** off when using a large monitor from 10ft away.  The settings shows the correct font size and type , but they aren't applied
[12:50] <BluesKaj> on KDE ^
[12:51] <BluesKaj> been like this for weeks now
[13:10] <BluesKaj> and I forgot to mention there's bug in the launchpad bug report link , it can't find a browser to link up from help section of the app
[13:19] <hacked_kernel> I upgraded to 11.10 from 11.04 and I installed KDE and gnome-shell after some configurations now I'm unable to login to Unity, only Unity 2D working, I removed gnome-shell and reinstalled unity and still having that problem
[13:38] <ironhalik> hmm
[13:39] <ironhalik> is there any way to install caffeine on oneiric? :>
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> !info kaffeine oneiric
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: its in the main repo so just run: sudo apt-get install kaffeine
[13:43] <ironhalik> its caffeine, as in the screensaver inhibitor
[13:43] <ironhalik> !info caffeine
[13:43] <ironhalik> :>
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> ironhalik: it's k for kaffeine as its a Kde app ;)
[13:44] <ironhalik> yeah :>
[14:04] <IdleOne> what can I install to test a webcam?
[14:04] <arand> IdleOne: Cheese is in by default, no=
[14:05] <arand> s/=/?/
[14:05] <IdleOne> arand: yeah, sorry thought I was in #kubuntu.
[14:05] <IdleOne> arand: something not gtk?
[14:06] <arand> Don't know I'm afraid
[14:07] <IdleOne> don't know why I need to install half of gnome to get cheese :/
[14:07] <IdleOne> heh, Kamera
[14:08] <IdleOne> should have known :)
[14:08] <drussell> IdleOne: software centre search suggests Kamera or Kamoso?
[14:08] <IdleOne> drussell: yup just found it, thanks.
[14:08] <drussell> IdleOne: np
[14:09] <IdleOne> hmm kamera is for digital cams
[14:16] <rigved> hi everyone. apt-get tells me that 31 packages are being kept back from being upgraded. how do i fix this problem?
[14:17] <IdleOne> you wait for them to be ready.
[14:17] <gnomefreak> rigved: update-manager should do it if they are safe. or you can use dist-upgrade but be careful some may need to be kept back. if you can pastebin the output of sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:18] <gnomefreak> console-* is safe to remove there was another package with it that is also safe to remove
[14:19] <gnomefreak> consolus maybe the name. hell i dont remember
[14:20] <gnomefreak> there are held back packages that are safe to upgrade only because they install other things but others will remove packages that are needed
[14:21] <gnomefreak> deja-dup ubuntu-desktop are safe to upgrade
[14:25] <rigved> IdleOne, gnomefreak: ok. i will wait and see what happens. just for your info, i had installed a clean beta 1. this is not an upgrade from natty.
[14:27] <gnomefreak> nost should be ok to upgrade but i would need to see what ones. try using dist-upgrade and see what it wants to remove. but check here before letting it remove anything
[14:28] <bjsnider> gnome-shell is being held back by a dependency wait
[14:30] <rigved> gnomefreak: apt-get upgrade output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/695664/
[14:30] <rigved> gnomefreak: apt-get dist-upgrade output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/695665/
[14:32] <gnomefreak> rigved: thanks
[14:32] <rigved> gnomefreak: so, should i do the dist-upgrade? i remember that there was a safe upgrade switch also, but not sure about this
[14:32] <gnomefreak> rigved: dist-upgrade is safe
[14:33] <ripps> I'm having some problems with a package that doesn't work anymore, can someone join me #ubuntu-packaging
[14:33] <gnomefreak> the package it wants to remove has a new major version update
[14:33] <ripps> sorry, that was meant for #ubuntu-motu
[14:33] <rigved> gnomefreak: ok. thanks
[14:33] <gnomefreak> rigved: not at the moment i have alot of things im working on since i havent been here for a while
[14:33] <gnomefreak> shoot
[14:34] <rigved> IdleOne: thanks.
[14:39] <AkariTakai> Question: Anyone know how to get rid of the dot-grid in the unity-greeter? I've checked Google and the /etc/lightdm/*.conf files and there doesn't seem to be any no dot grid option.
[14:42] <Name141> Hello, can anyone tell me if 11.10 will not have Gnome (or ubuntu-classic) as an option ?
[14:42] <IdleOne> correct
[14:42] <IdleOne> but
[14:43] <IdleOne> !notunity
[14:43] <Name141> IdleOne: so that will fix the crappy new GUI ?
[14:43] <Name141> that Ubuntu is pushing
[14:44] <IdleOne> fix it no, it will give you the option at boot to select either gnome-shell or gnome-panel ( similar to classic gnome)
[14:45] <Name141> Alrighty.  I might just use an LTS, since I'm only looking for an XP replacement for this "non-gaming machine" now.
[14:45] <Name141> Probably might be better and less maintanance than a regular install ?
[14:45] <AkariTakai> Does anyone know anything about the new lightdm login screen?
[14:45] <IdleOne> 10.04 is a good option if you want the classic gnome look.
[14:46] <IdleOne> !10.04
[14:46] <Name141> alrighty.
[14:46] <IdleOne> still has almost 4 years left on server support
[14:46] <BluesKaj> !kde
[14:46] <AkariTakai> !lightdm
[14:46] <AkariTakai> !unity-greeter
[14:47] <IdleOne> AkariTakai: I think there is very little documentation on lightdm but I might be wrong
[14:47] <AkariTakai> :( That's what I've been finding. I was hoping that maybe there was a website people knew about but Google missed or something. :(
[14:48] <Name141> IdleOne: I suppose since that's all the direct questions about the Beta or next release I shall part this one.
[14:48] <jbicha> AkariTakai: perhaps http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lightdm-team/lightdm/trunk/view/head:/data/lightdm.conf
[14:49] <jbicha> and you can stick those options in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[14:50] <AkariTakai> Thanks, I'll keep messing around with it.
[14:52] <rigved> is there a .conf file in lightdm where i can change the login theme?
[14:53] <rigved> ok. don't bother. found it. /etc/lightdm/unity-greeter.conf
[15:01] <AkariTakai> My only guess based on what I'm seeing is that the dots are present in the theme ubuntu ships with lightdm, because changing the background picture via conf optiosn does not remove them.
[15:02] <AkariTakai> Gonna go poke around in the source and report back
[15:10] <jbicha> AkariTakai: alternatively, you could create your own greeter to lay things out as you like
[15:12] <sajimon> hello there, im trying to install oneiric beta 2, but installator hang during the process, anyone encountered simmilator problem?
[15:17] <OerHeks> sajimon, the installer can take some time to calculate, see if numlock works. here it took 30 minutes to make space for Oneiric.
[15:17] <OerHeks> sajimon, get a drink, you will notice the next step, with the big earth time map
[15:20] <sajimon> OerHeks: in fact it hangs on "installing packages" step, its after "copying packages"
[15:20] <sajimon> im trying again, this time i ran ubiquity from terminal to check for debug messages
[15:29] <mihai_> hello, i have  a problem concerning time indicator: it shows "Time" instead of the actual time. Can someone help me, please?
[16:36] <alex_mayorga> the side bar doesn't pop-up when I move the mouse to the right, am I doing it wrong?
[16:40] <alex_mayorga> is it a known bug?
[16:41] <Wolfsherz> hi, can you tell me how to create a starter in oneiric?
[16:43] <alex_mayorga> Wolfsherz: Windows key "startup application"
[16:44] <Wolfsherz> i always want to start the gnome-terminal with --geometry=90x25, so i need a customized starter for this
[16:45] <Wolfsherz> alex_mayorga: thank you, but that is not what I need =)
[16:46] <alex_mayorga> Wolfsherz: ups, sorry
[16:54] <jbicha> Wolfsherz: did you try Edit>Profile Preferences>Use custom default terminal size
[17:05] <aqualuk> hi
[17:05] <aqualuk> i'm running lubuntu 11.10 and i have a big problem with my system language
[17:06] <Wolfsherz> jbicha: doh, that is new, right?
[17:06] <aqualuk> i installed the german language pack to try something (that didn't work but that's not my point) and then removed the language pack (all with the lubuntu gui for languages)
[17:07] <aqualuk> and my half system is in german and the other half is in english and i can't set it to english
[17:07] <aqualuk> is that a known bug or do you have any idea what i can do
[17:11] <aqualuk> ok i can solve the problem by myself
[17:12] <aqualuk> the solution was to install the german pack and reboot, then uninstall it and reboot one more time
[17:56] <OerHeks> hi, why is there no option to disable screen power ? http://picpaste.com/pics/scherm-vt783Jnj.1316800345.png
[17:58] <bjsnider> OerHeks, that is a gnome 3 issue
[17:58] <bjsnider> there is a way to do it, but it's a more complicated command than just an easy switch
[17:59] <bjsnider> and i'm not implying that i know the command
[17:59] <OerHeks> i am surpriced, that's all
[17:59] <alex_mayorga> what's up wit a red alert icon
[18:00] <alex_mayorga> big one at the top centre of the screen
[18:00] <OerHeks> red alert, after an update ? that is the sign you should reboot
[18:01] <OerHeks> (for changes to take effect)
[18:03] <OerHeks> oer@Oneirix:~$ uptime  20:02:28 up 14:05,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[18:12] <dizzey> Not sure if this is the rigth channel to ask, if not please point me to the rigth one.  Im running ubuntu 11.10 64bit and i am trying to get 3d acceleration working in "play on  linux" (wine) it seems to be some problem with getting the rigth 32bit libs for my  nvidiqa card
[18:12] <alex_mayorga> OerHeks: no, it says "The update information is outdated..."
[18:15] <OerHeks> i would use " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade " to reload the update information again
[18:20] <Guest1234> hello all. I just upgraded from 11.04 to 11.10 beta2....i did a clean install...and now when i goto log in as my normal user(i kept /home partition)....it goes to login..then drops me back at the login screen.
[18:21] <Guest1234> also...there is a guest account(which in this case is good since i was able to login with guest and come here!)...but normally i would not want this guest account by default
[18:21] <dizzey> Guest1234: if you dont have any imported settings delete the . folders in your homedir
[18:21] <dizzey> Guest1234: they usaly have settings for all applikations that may not match the new system
[18:22] <dizzey> Guest1234: .config .gtk etc
[18:22] <Guest1234> dizzey: well...specifically which ones? ...ive had this same home partition for YEARS hehe...i have many many settings in dot folders i dont want to loose :)
[18:22] <dizzey> thats true =) sadly i dont know exactly wich ones
[18:23] <dizzey> but the ones used by unity if that is the window manager
[18:23] <Guest1234> yea
[18:23] <Guest1234> hmm
[18:23] <Guest1234> this could be a pita finding out which ones
[18:24] <dizzey> Guest1234: hmms but then im guessing you dont actuly need to delete them
[18:24] <dizzey> make a new account from the shell and se if it is working with that user
[18:24] <escott> Guest1234, the guest account can be disabled by setting [SeatDefaults] allow-guest=false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:24] <dizzey> then we know if it is old settings
[18:24] <Guest1234> well..im logged in as the "guest" account
[18:24] <Guest1234> and its working
[18:25] <Guest1234> so its def something specific to my normal user
[18:25] <dizzey> Guest1234: hmms try moving .folders to some backup dir until it's working
[18:25] <dizzey> Guest1234: then you have backups if your missing someting
[18:25] <Guest1234> yea
[18:26] <Guest1234> That would work...but a pita. Id love to find just what folders unity or w/e is using
[18:27] <Guest1234> im scouring around for solutions
[18:27] <dizzey> Guest1234: Just delete the configuration files/folders of unity in your home folder,. seems like .unity or .local/share/unity
[18:27] <dizzey> and probably the the unity gconf setting. Search in .gconf folder.
[18:28] <Guest1234> hmm ok
[18:28] <dizzey> thats from google so dont know if it's the rigth answer
[18:29] <Guest1234> bah. yea. no ~/.unity/ folder
[18:29] <Guest1234> and no unity folder in ~/.local/share
[18:30] <trism> Guest1234: you could try: unity --reset;
[18:30] <Guest1234> i cant actually get in as that user
[18:30] <dizzey> Guest1234: sure you can
[18:31] <dizzey> Guest1234: do an ctrl + alt + f1 and log in to the console
[18:31] <Guest1234> yea
[18:31] <dizzey> if you dont have the trouble that im having on my laptop
[18:31] <dizzey> no graphics in the console
[18:31] <Guest1234> it was my impression that unity --reset just restarted your current unity with default settings
[18:32] <Guest1234> that didnt work
[18:32] <dizzey> try moving the .gconf folder
[18:32] <Guest1234> oh wait
[18:33] <Guest1234> i JUST noticed.
[18:33] <dizzey> if they dont have a .unity folder i would not be suprised if they keept all settings in gconf
[18:33] <Guest1234> my home folder is not owned by me
[18:33] <dizzey> or d-conf
[18:33] <Guest1234> ubuntu did not reset permissions
[18:33] <Guest1234> older user = mike...home folder = /home/mike. NEW user = mike...home folder = /home/mike....but the new mike has a diff uid
[18:34] <Guest1234> and ubuntu did not recursively chown the new home
[18:34] <dizzey> i should have thougth of that
[18:34] <dizzey> have happend to me before
[18:34] <Guest1234> i didnt notice until i tried poking around the files
[18:35] <Guest1234> well...ive never had it happen on a ubuntu install...iave had it happen on different distros
[18:35] <dizzey> nowdays i never keep any important files in my home folder so i never keep it
[18:35] <Guest1234> doing a chown now.
[18:35] <Guest1234> i backup the most important files to spideroak or dropbox
[18:36] <Guest1234> brb....hopefully with my normal irc client.
[18:36] <dizzey> i keep all my documents on a svn server and all other stuff on my file server
[19:04] <Fen-> is there any way to reverse updates ?
[19:04] <Fen-> i mean for example to reverse changes from prev update
[19:04] <Guest1234> hello all. Does anyone know the command to restart xorg? /etc/init.d/gdm restart used to work...but has not since 10.10 iirc.
[19:05] <Guest1234> I vaugly remember a weird command like "pr restart" or something very short like that.
[19:05] <Guest1234> but cannot find it via google
[19:05] <dizzey> Fen-: yes and no . you cant but if you where running a filesystem with snapshot support then you could do a rollback
[19:06] <Fen-> hmm
[19:06] <Fen-> i got ext3
[19:06] <rww> so no
[19:06] <rww> Guest1234: sudo service gdm restart?
[19:07] <Guest1234> rww: if im not mistaken that does not work either.
[19:07] <Fen-> rww:  well some backup software saved snapshots
[19:07] <Guest1234> somethign changed in 11.04 iirc and restarting gdm does not actually restart xorg
[19:09] <jbicha> Guest1234: I just use sudo pkill X which might not be the best way to do it
[19:09] <Guest1234> hmm
[19:10] <Guest1234> ok gonna try something brb
[19:13] <Guest1234> dammit. no gdm service in 11.10
[19:13] <Guest1234> this should not be so hard to find out
[19:13] <Guest1234> all i need to do is restart xorg lol
[19:16] <trism> Guest1234: probably lightdm: sudo restart lightdm
[19:17] <Guest1234> trism: hmm
[19:22] <NickName321> trying to restart lightdm does not actually restart xorg
[19:23] <NickName321> well...it at least does not make xorg reload the xorg.conf
[19:23] <NickName321> pkill Xorg did not force it to reload the conf either
[19:23] <NickName321> this is retarded.
[19:24] <jbicha> reboot
[19:27]  * gnomefreak doesnt have a xorg.conf
[19:27] <gnomefreak> i still havent found a way to drop back to default drivers
[19:28] <bjsnider> jbicha, there's the caribou!
[19:28] <bjsnider> soon, all of my gnome-shell issues will be fixed
[19:37] <dr`venom_> I can't change the screen brightness on my dell xps17 L702x laptop. Can someone please help me fix the issue.
[19:39] <Fen-> bawawawa i think its reinstall time lol
[19:39] <Fen-> :p
[19:39] <Fen-> just hope i dont install beta2 updates by accident :S
[19:43] <larno> hi everyone
[19:43] <larno> I need some help regarding nvidia optimus in beta2
[19:43] <larno> is there an "easy" way to enable nvidia gpu?
[19:43] <larno> I don't need the GPU switching functionality
[19:44] <larno> I just want to have nvidia enabled
 just out of curiosity, are you able to change your screen brightness on your system?
[19:45] <larno> just a sec
[19:46] <larno> where is the setting to change the brightness in beta2?
 Can you check using the keyboard hotkeys
[19:46] <urlin2u> larno, I use the fn key and the arrows
[19:47] <larno> it's not working
[19:47] <larno> the problem can be with asus laptop keyboard shortcuts
[19:47] <dr`venom_> Ok, so it is not just me...
[19:47] <bjsnider> afaik ther is no optimus support at all in linux
[19:47] <larno> or that I'm currently working on the external monitor
[19:47] <larno> and the laptop monitor is disabled
[19:48] <larno> there is bumblebee and ironhide
[19:48] <urlin2u> larno, I can only change the netbooknot the monitor as well
 do you have a dell laptop as well?
[19:49] <urlin2u> no a acer
[19:49] <dr`venom_> ok
[19:56] <mongy> #ubuntu-offtopic
[19:56] <mongy> argh
[19:57] <mongy> Any else have a problem with dash whereby you search for a recent file, click it nothing happens, but works the 2nd time you do it?
 My dash works just fine.
[19:58] <mongy> might have to install fresh beta2 then maybe.
[20:18] <dr`venom> is anyone else in here having trouble with not being able to change their screen's brightness level?
[20:48] <sirninja> I just installed ubuntu 11.10 on my computer, and the installation appears to go fine, but when I reboot, I get the message: "efi invalid arch independent ELF magic" in grub
[20:50] <urlin2u> sirninja, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1741953  naty but the commands are thesame I believe.
[20:51] <urlin2u> you have to know the partition though
[20:51] <sirninja> urlin2u: I saw that post, but when i get to the command "linux ...." it says linux: command not found
[20:51] <sirninja> and I changed the partitions accordingly
[20:53] <urlin2u> sirninja, are you sure your making this exactly like this. set root=(hd0,msdos5)
[20:54] <urlin2u> you j\have to get the commands exact
[20:54] <sirninja> if my partition is /dev/sda7 it would be "root=(hd0,msdos8)" right?
[20:54] <urlin2u> no msdos7 I believe
[20:55] <sirninja> I tried that as well. It's an ext4 partition, can grub read those or does it need to be ext3?
[20:55] <urlin2u> partition type does not matter as far as I knlw
[20:56] <sirninja> I'm not having any luck with the rescue prompt. Is there any way I can just get the installer to do it that way the first time?
[20:56] <urlin2u> sirninja, that portion is a standard manual boot command set.
[20:57] <urlin2u> sirninja, are you sure the Ubuntu partition is sad7
[20:57] <urlin2u> sda7*
[20:57] <sirninja> correct. I'm reading the post and it says "reboot (you should now get a full grub, not just grub-rescue)" but I'm still getting grub-rescue
[21:01] <urlin2u> sirninja, I would just go to the ubuntu forums and start a thread t will be faster realy.
[21:01] <sirninja> urlin2u: would chrooting in and install grub-pc work instead of what that post said?
[21:01] <urlin2u> it
[21:02] <sirninja> urlin2u: Guess I may have to do that. Thanks for your help though
[21:02] <urlin2u> sirninja, you have grub-pc and grub-commons in ubuntu already, that is not the problem I would guess.
[21:02] <urlin2u> no problem, the manual boot is a bit tricky.
[21:03] <hacked_kernel> can anybody please pastebin the default apt sources.lst file ?
[21:04] <urlin2u> hacked_kernel, http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[21:04] <mongy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/695835/   for gb mirror and partner enabled.
[21:04] <hacked_kernel> thanks
[21:05] <mongy> hmm, let me bookmark that repogen
[21:05] <mongy> hacked, oh and its natty
[21:05] <urlin2u> you can choose the release
[21:05] <mongy> lol, be quicker to use that repogen then
[21:05] <mongy> urlin2u, yeah  I meant my sources
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> I have an applet hogging 100% CPU here
[21:06] <alex_mayorga> how do I file the bug?
[21:06] <urlin2u> cool it is a cool page.
[21:06] <mongy> not currently in oneiric
[21:07] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, an applet are you sure?
[21:08] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: yup! something like this one http://www.hobsoft.com/tests/jwttest.jsp
[21:10] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, linux is not even mentioned
[21:10] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: it is "Test HOBLink JWT from Windows, Linux, Sun Solaris, Apple Mac"
[21:12] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, not sure of whats happening, and that is anot a applet causing tye problem but a third party no bugs are 3rd party.
[21:13] <urlin2u> you bug report on actual ubuntu apps.
[21:14] <alex_mayorga> icedtea is an ubuntu app last time I checked
[21:15] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, yes but is icetea the problem?
[21:16] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, are you trying to test a firewall?
[21:16] <alex_mayorga> given that it works just fine on an XP virtual box using Oracle Java, I would think so
[21:17] <alex_mayorga> and anything that uses 100% CPU is buggy IMHO
[21:18] <alex_mayorga> bug 857776 FWIW
[21:18] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, sure but your using a 3rd party to get that the bug reporting is for a buggy ubuntu app.
[21:19] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, lol good luck with that.
[21:20] <gnomie> no lol ifs or buts. fix him!  >:(
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: I have in the past, see http://icedtea.classpath.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=721
[21:20] <alex_mayorga> ;)
[21:20] <urlin2u> gnomie, go eat your bran flakes.
[21:20] <gnomie> openjdk isn't acting up here ..
[21:22] <urlin2u> alex_mayorga, first it was a applet you are i=on the moon no exating details, and this is not the channel anyway, are your emplot-yers running oneiric.
[21:23] <alex_mayorga> urlin2u: of course not, is all Windows 7 in the desktop
[21:23] <gnomie> system is sluggish but cpu is fine .. i believe reason to be low ram, i got about 30 thousand bytes into swap, way more than i ever had
[21:24] <gnomie> considering i only got one gig, unity2d is still operational
[21:27] <gnomie> if i had pci graphics i'd have better performance.. need $20
[21:30] <gnomie> am confident in saying oneiric can run on older low end systems under some conditions. i did have a crash with multiple apps running tho
[21:33] <gnomie> that being said, 11.04 was much more responsive on this box
[21:33] <gnomie> and i did have unity2d going there as well
[21:35] <gnomie> at this stage..
[21:37] <soee> hi, guys do you have problems to run system after upgrade 11.04 -> 11.10b2 ?
[21:38] <genii-around> soee: Better to just say how far along it is booting  and then what is happening. eg: grub halts.. or grub goes, then just a purple screen hangs... or so on
[21:40] <soee> genii-around, i can pick system from grup than it hangs with full blue screen with some artefacts at top, when i choose recovery mode it hangs also at the second line (something about ram disc etc) but if i press enter after few second system starts (gdm shows up) and i can login
[21:40] <soee> *grub
[21:43] <soee> during upgrade there were some errors in console about pixbuff and icon-cache
[21:43] <soee> there are also 2 dependency problems: kdepim-dev libboost-dev
[21:43] <soee> but im not sure if this is booting related
[21:44] <genii-around> soee: The pixbuf/icon-cache errors are not to worry over
[21:44] <genii-around> soee: What video driver were you using before upgrade?
[21:44] <soee> 280.13
[21:45] <genii-around> So Nvidia
[21:45] <soee> yes
[21:45] <genii-around> soee: does lsmod| grep nv    show it is currently loaded?
[21:47] <soee> genii-around, soee@soee-desktop:~$ lsmod| grep nv
[21:47] <soee> nvidia              11713772  40
[21:49] <genii-around> soee: Is the nouveau driver also loaded at the same time?
[21:49] <soee> how can i check this ?
[21:50] <genii-around> soee: lsmod| grep nouveau
[21:51] <genii-around> If it just comes back to command prompt then it's not loaded
[21:51] <soee> genii-around, http://pastebin.com/bjhUmipX
[21:52] <genii-around> soee: Can you pastebin please contents of /etc/default/grub
[21:53] <soee> genii-around, http://pastebin.com/2Jh8cdnX
[21:56] <genii-around> soee: OK. The idea here is to make sure only the nvidia driver loads, which means to change line 11 to read: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"      and then sudo update-grub. For the editing you need admin rights so either kdesudo kate /etc/default/grub  or sudo nano /etc/default/grub ( I assume kde because you were in #kubuntu previous to here)
[21:57] <soee> ok ill try after update my fancontrol configuration :) one moment
[21:58] <genii-around> soee: I must leave soon, but hopefully someone else can help you further afterwards
[22:00] <soee> ok brb ill try to reboot
[22:00] <pythonsnake> is 11.10 going to break my laptop
[22:01] <jbicha> pythonsnake: absolutely
[22:01] <jbicha> or maybe
[22:02] <pythonsnake> ?!
[22:03] <soee> genii-around, thank you :)
[22:04] <genii-around> soee: You're welcome
[22:04] <charlie-tca> I would say jbicha is correct, too
[22:06] <jbicha> my wife's laptop died and she was running oneiric...
[22:07] <jbicha> I tell her it had nothing to do with Ubuntu though...
[22:07] <jbicha> it's not really a bug I care to reproduce though, lol
[22:08] <rww> why on earth were you running oneiric on it
[22:08] <jbicha> because I'm a Ubuntu developer and I like to break things
[22:09] <pythonsnake> lol.
[22:09] <rww> jbicha: that's what /your/ laptop is for
[22:09] <pythonsnake> w
[22:09] <pythonsnake> t
[22:10] <pythonsnake> f
[22:10] <pythonsnake> windows 8 wants to prevent installing any other os
[22:10] <jbicha> I'm a developer, I like to break other people's things too
[22:14] <AlanBell> on the first page of the installer there is a link to "release notes"
[22:14] <AlanBell> which opens http://ubuntu.com
[22:15] <AlanBell> should I file a bug about that?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> Is that the same as bug 856773
[22:16] <AlanBell> nope, but it is already filed as bug 840983
[22:19]  * AlanBell subscribes the release manager
[22:29] <nanobolic> seemed to have lost my plugins for gedit like terminal and python console has anyone else gotten this?
[22:29] <nanobolic> if I restart gedit they appear to come back but once I enable any of them like bracket completion I loose all of them
[22:31] <nanobolic> is there a way to start gedit from a terminal in verbose mode?
[22:45] <tomodachi> ionite: KDE is a desktop enviroment, like a "skin" or a gui" ubuntu itself supports different desktop enviroments like gnome, /win 10
[22:46] <coz_> is there a mini iso available yet
[22:49] <nanobolic> coz_, I believe there is one called ubuntu-core
[22:49] <coz_> nanobolic,  mmm I will try to find that
[22:51] <coz_> m if anyone has a link to a mini,, i would appreciate it :)
[23:08] <gnomie> plugins section of thunderbird glitchy
[23:09] <gnomie> nice design though..
[23:11] <MonkeyDust> in Unity i cannot find a normal menu with everything in it - hints & tips?
[23:14] <DeviceZer0> bah..all of a sudden im not getting any sound
[23:14]  * gnomie reads about peripheral component interconnect 
[23:15] <urlin2u> MonkeyDust, I use synapse for searches, not the same thing as a menu though,
[23:15] <charlie-tca> MonkeyDust: there is no normal menu in Unity
[23:16] <jbicha> MonkeyDust: click More Apps from the Dash that shows up when you click the Ubuntu button
[23:17] <MonkeyDust> a normal menu is too far fetched ;)
[23:18] <urlin2u> MonkeyDust, not part of the new DE, you will have to adapt, or use a distro that has one you like.
[23:19] <gnomie> use the dash, in russia, dash searches YOU
[23:19] <urlin2u> xubuntu has a normal DE soto speak.
[23:20] <MonkeyDust>  i use Mint
[23:20] <MonkeyDust> just checking about this menu in Unity
[23:20] <gnomie> mint not supported here
[23:20] <MonkeyDust> i know
[23:29]  * gnomie puts swap to work !  :D
[23:29] <gwallace1234> I am trying to update to the latest beta for Kubuntu, and was wanting to know if that can be done from command line.  I changed the settings in sources, and notifier is not allowing the beta update to show.
[23:30] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, if your running 11.10 it is just update && upgrade
[23:31] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, there is a packge miossing right now though in th ibunet dide causing partial upgrades not the best time to try I think.
[23:31] <urlin2u> ubuntu/distro
[23:31] <gwallace1234> Urlin2u: I am running beta 1 currently.  I did the update && upgrade, and downloaded about 173 updates.  I know that firefox and thunderbird should be at ver 7, but they are still ver 6
[23:32] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: Will try again later this weekend, maybe they will get it fixed by then.
[23:33] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, when did you install I had 7 on both on a beta1 install?
[23:33] <tuv0k> any problems installing jubuntu bea 2 using the desktop 64bit iso?
[23:33] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: I did a clean install of the first beta, and it has ver 6 of both.
[23:34] <tuv0k> k
[23:34] <tuv0k> kubuntu
[23:34] <urlin2u> gwallace1234, hmm maybe kubuntu is as different as I always thought it was.
[23:35] <gnomie> as different as gnome?
[23:35] <urlin2u> tuv0k, thanks for the passive agressive posts.
[23:35] <gwallace1234> urlin2u: prob a diff between gnome and KDE.  Guess i will wait and try again, or wait for the final release.  THanks
[23:36] <tuv0k> just looking for a real answer to my question in the channel I'm supposed to find it in?
[23:36] <gnomie> urlin2u: you're weird
[23:37] <urlin2u> gnomie, like looking is a mirror isn't it. :D
[23:37] <urlin2u> in*
[23:38] <gnomie> oddly enough, i got it the first time
[23:38] <urlin2u> gnomie, I missed the post of the mangled Distro, so it looked like a PG post.
[23:39] <urlin2u> my bad
[23:41] <gnomie> never apologize; you're either right, or yer not
[23:41] <urlin2u> gnomie, sorry but life is not a dichotomy
[23:41] <gnomie> :(
[23:42] <gnomie> only human
[23:57] <gnomie> The PCI SIG strongly encourages 3.3 V PCI signaling,[5] requiring support for it since standard revision 2.3,[7] but most PC motherboards use the 5 V variant. Thus, while many currently available PCI cards support both, and have two key notches to indicate that, there are still a large number of 5 V-only cards on the market
[23:58] <gnomie> c.2002