[06:15] <YoBoY> good morning
[06:41] <DarkwingDuck> Morning/Night... It's only 11:41p here so, I'm not in bed yet.
[06:43] <YoBoY> 8:43am here :)
[06:43] <DarkwingDuck> Nice
[07:21]  * YoBoY is listening mark at the open world conference :)
[08:17] <YoBoY> someone here can help me to correct a text in English before I post it ? ^^"
[11:06] <akgraner> YoBoY, do you still need someone to review you post?
[11:06] <YoBoY> yes ^^"
[11:06] <YoBoY> http://framapad.org/mP66mPRIC6
[11:07]  * akgraner looks
[11:08] <YoBoY> thanks :)
[11:09] <YoBoY> writing posts in English is like a torture for me, always afraid to make it wrong ^^"
[11:28] <Cheesehead> YoBoY: Tried the framapad link - I don't see any content...
[11:29] <YoBoY> strange :]
[11:29] <YoBoY> it's there for me ^^"
[11:30] <Cheesehead> YoBoY: Aha. Didn't work in epiphany. Does work in Firefox.
[11:30] <YoBoY> etherpad...
[11:34] <Cheesehead> YoBoY: Looks great. akgraner clearly been busy there.
[11:35] <YoBoY> and she's done a great work, my english writing is really bad, but you can already see that here :p
[11:37] <head_victim> YoBoY: it's ok, we'll make you enGB english one of these days though instead of those crazy enUS types.
[11:37] <Cheesehead> YoBoY: I disagree about your english writing. My French would be worse. That document is polished and reasy to send.
[11:37] <Cheesehead> /s/reasy/ready
[11:37] <head_victim> The limit of my second language is what google translate can produce.
[11:40] <YoBoY> lol
[11:41] <YoBoY> and english is my third langage, not my second :p
[11:41] <head_victim> Showoff ;)
[11:47] <YoBoY> ok, it's posted
[11:48] <YoBoY> now I have to wait and see if some new volunteers come to us :)
[11:49] <head_victim> You pay the flights and accom and I'll volunteer ;)
[11:50] <YoBoY> I don't have the money for that :)
[11:51] <Cheesehead> head_victim: We crazy enUS types prefer "Enthusiastic" or perhaps
[11:51] <Cheesehead> "Deluded" over 'Crazy'
[11:51] <Cheesehead> Sometimes "Zany"
[11:52] <Cheesehead> 'Crazy' implies we eant to burn things, which is not always true.
[11:54]  * Cheesehead takes a moment to revel in lighting the gas stove
[12:08] <head_victim> YoBoY: just making sure the offer is there ;)
[12:08] <head_victim> Cheesehead: And you obviously dislike U's and S's ;)
[12:09] <Cheesehead> head_victim: Not at all. That would be...crazy.
[12:10]  * Cheesehead 's eyes dart furtively back and forth
[12:10] <head_victim> WOW
[12:10] <head_victim> Wrong channel
[12:10] <head_victim>  (It's quite hilarious that that is the initials for the country but the 2 most commonly dropped or replaced letters in translations ;)
[12:10] <head_victim> Somehow that ended up in an entirely different channel......
[12:12] <Cheesehead> head_victim: Most interesting. I did not know that.
[12:51] <head_victim> Colour/Color, Organised/Organized, etc
[12:55] <Cheesehead> Oh, so translated English <-> American?
[12:59] <akgraner> YoBoY, you're English is great!
[12:59] <akgraner> I just helped you with little editor kind of corrections
[12:59] <akgraner> you could have published it just the way it was and your message would have been understood
[13:00] <akgraner> you communicate very well
[13:01] <akgraner> head_victim,  I like that - I'm using my second language is what google translate can produce
[13:05] <YoBoY> merci akgraner :)
[13:18] <head_victim> I've had whole conversations with spanish speakers to try and help them out with Ubuntu stuff in other channels via google translate
[13:43] <DarwinSurvivor> head_victim: maybe someday google will clue in and add it directly to g-talk or google+...
[13:44] <head_victim> DarwinSurvivor: ah mine have all been via IRC
[13:44] <head_victim> Cut and paste style
[13:44] <head_victim> xchat plugin?
[13:45] <DarwinSurvivor> i'm sure an irssi script could be written pretty easily. you know, if i knew any perl :P
[13:45] <head_victim> Hah I know enough not to bother ;)
[13:45] <DarwinSurvivor> lol
[13:46] <DarwinSurvivor> i've read enough to know you're probably right
[13:46] <DarwinSurvivor> hmm, i wonder if I could learn enough to pass data back and forth with a python script...
[13:46] <DarwinSurvivor> lol
[13:47] <head_victim> I'd have more luck working a second job and paying someone else to do it
[13:47] <head_victim> I'm what you call an "end user" who pokes around with things until they break and then spends twice as long trying to fix it again
[13:48] <DarwinSurvivor> where DO you hire masochists these days?
[13:49] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: Well, in the US, we call them 'researchers' and they spend most of their time filling out grant requests
[13:49] <Cheesehead> ...but there's no money for the grant.
[13:49] <DarwinSurvivor> haha
[13:50] <Cheesehead> So, technically, two of my brothers are masochists.
[13:51] <head_victim> Makes my dad one as well then
[13:51] <Cheesehead> head_victim: Being an 'end user' is the *fun* part! I just spent two days on and off figuring out how to edit my firewall and enable certain ssh fun.
[13:51] <Cheesehead> If not for that adventure, what's to blog about?
[13:52] <Cheesehead> Nobody else wants to read about my family!
[13:53] <head_victim> I thought about blogging. Then I realised I didn't have anything worth blogging about.
[13:53] <DarwinSurvivor> Cheesehead: hey, your family only takes up about half your posts
[13:54] <DarwinSurvivor> the other half seems to be all links to ubuntu-leadership google docs
[13:55] <Cheesehead> DarwinSurvivor: Well, the big one is still in the works. Some trendy, smart-alecky, good-looking friends of mine are going to rob a casino.
[13:56] <Cheesehead> ...With a convoluted, unreaslitic plan.
[13:57] <DarwinSurvivor> will it by any chance take place near an ocean?
[13:59] <Cheesehead> Funny that, yes...just like the last few they did.
[17:56] <akgraner> hi all I'll be offline for a couple hours :-)  more fun soon - don't forget about Ubuntu Users Days starting tomorrow  - I have a session at 1600 UTC
[17:56] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
[21:35] <Cheesehead> Chapter 8: Money. Are there any LoCos with their organizational funds, bank accounts, and fundraisers?
[21:36] <Cheesehead> (Everything in the Wisconsin LoCo has been quite cheap and informal)
[21:46] <valorie> hmmm, we've had some money in the past, but basically buy CDs with it or something
[22:23] <Cheesehead> valorie: Thanks
[22:23] <Cheesehead> I wonder if the source (FRG) document is applicable to LoCos? In this case, the two seem to diverge to me.
[22:24] <valorie> one could also use money to buy notices/advertising, I guess
[22:24] <valorie> or sponsor a conference
[22:25] <Cheesehead> Well, the original document is US-only, and under the aegis of a govt entity. As long as you obeyed those rules, you didn't need to worry about taxes or other legal implications
[22:26] <Cheesehead> As a private club affiliated with an international organization, the rules will vary from country to country and state to state.
[22:27] <Cheesehead> I feel uncomfortable writing money advice that might get somebody in a different country in trouble with their tax authorities
[22:32] <Cheesehead> ...so I suspect Chapter 8 will be pretty vague beyound basic principles (accountability, rotate treasurer, regular audits, all applicable permits and laws, etc
[22:32] <Cheesehead> ...regular filing of all required documentation...
[22:34] <valorie> we don't have any of that, and have never had more than $50 or so which was spent immediately on pizza
[22:35] <valorie> I suspect most LoCos are the same
[22:36] <Cheesehead> In the past, we have rotated whose turn it was to pay for pizza.
[22:38] <Cheesehead> My first thought for money advice is "Go as long as possible using informal means." But again, that may not be appropriate everywhere.
[22:44] <valorie> right, either people each buy something/bring something
[22:44] <valorie> or the person in charge takes the money and pays it out
[22:46] <Cheesehead> Yeah, "informal means." Works great in most circumstances that I have run across.
[22:47] <valorie> I can tell you that even small amounts of money can be dangerous to some people, depending on circumstances
[22:47] <valorie> so if there is trust, there must be someone checking on it
[22:48] <valorie> or there can be broken hearts, broken trust, and a lot of damage
[22:48] <valorie> even less than $50
[22:48] <valorie> sad to say
[22:51] <valorie> this wasn't in a loco, but another volunteer group, at least 30 years ago
[22:51] <valorie> and the memories are still fresh
[23:42]  * Cheesehead was watching, just had nothing to add