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[14:58] <seb128> hi
[14:59] <jdstrand> hello
[15:00]  * skaet waves :)
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:00] <skaet> Agenda can be found: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2011-09-23
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Thank you for everyone's help getting Beta 2 released yesterday!!
[15:00] <skaet> Data still coming in from ISO tracker bug will make its way onto the team lists over the next couple of days.  Please be alert for it, and help make sure the key ones are appropriately prioritized (and fixed ;) ).
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00]  * jibel waves
[15:00] <skaet> Based on discussions last week in this meeting the archive is remaining frozen now for the remainder of the cycle.   Please ping a release team member on #ubuntu-release if a high/critical bug fix needs shepherding through if its been sitting there for more than 12 hours.  11.10 FeatureFreeze,  UserInterfaceFreeze, Archive Freeze still in effect
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:01]  * stgraber waves
[15:01] <skaet> Thank you to those team's who've been updating their burndowns over the last week,  still a bit more scrubbing looks like its needed, as we're above the trend lines.
[15:01] <skaet> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01] <skaet> Key dates coming up:
[15:01] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Final Freeze:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC.
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Non Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Sept 29 at 2100 UTC
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Language Pack Translation Deadline:  Oct 6 at 1200 UTC
[15:01] <skaet> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[15:01]  * charlie-tca waves
[15:01] <skaet> .
[15:01]  * skaet glad to see all the waves :)
[15:01] <skaet> any questions?
[15:01] <skaet> ..
[15:02] <skaet> ok,  starting into the round table then.  :)
[15:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Hardware Certification team update - mlegris
[15:02] <mlegris> [Week 38 Testing Report]
[15:02] <mlegris> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~hwcert/hw-testing/week38_2011.html
[15:02] <mlegris> .
[15:02] <mlegris> Beta 2 Testing
[15:02] <mlegris> * A representative sample of clients is being retested with the Beta 2 image. * Mainly failed systems from our previous testing..
[15:02] <mlegris> Bugs:
[15:02] <mlegris> *  Bug #810145 - unity-panel-service crashes..
[15:03] <mlegris> any questions?
[15:03] <skaet> Thanks mlegris!   will note the bug
[15:03] <mlegris> np! :)
[15:03] <skaet> [TOPIC] QA team update -  jibel
[15:04] <jibel> = Oneiric Beta 1 testing =
[15:04] <jibel> Testing report: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/OneiricBeta2TestReport
[15:04] <jibel> Bug summary:
[15:04] <jibel>  * Critical : 7 (3 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * High : 26 (7 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Medium : 27 (2 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Low : 8 (3 closed)
[15:04] <jibel>  * Wishlist : 3
[15:04] <jibel>  * Undecided : 39 (4 closed)
[15:04] <jibel> List of bugs found during this milestone
[15:04] <jibel> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/report
[15:04] <jibel> List of bugs found during previous milestones:
[15:04] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/iso-testing-open-all.html
[15:04] <jibel> Critical issues still opened:
[15:04] <jibel> bug 832603
[15:04] <jibel> bug 851472
[15:04] <jibel> bug 852012
[15:05] <jibel> bug 856669
[15:05] <jibel> = Oneiric Bug activity =
[15:05] <jibel> * New bugs opened during last week (no dups): 1441(-1.3% over previous week)
[15:05] <jibel> * Top 5 packages:
[15:05] <jibel>   * unity: 96 (6.66%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * gnome-settings-daemon: 74 (5.14%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * compiz: 60 (4.16%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * nautilus: 57 (3.96%)
[15:05] <jibel>   * linux: 50 (3.47%)
[15:05] <jibel> * 12 reports were tagged as regression:
[15:05] <jibel> 824099	Max GL texture size can break multi-head
[15:05] <jibel> 852902	Parse failure when connecting to remote sources/sinks
[15:05] <jibel> 856821	unity-panel-service crashed with signal 5 in _XError()
[15:05] <jibel> 856317	gsettings-data-convert crashed with signal 5 in g_settings_set_value()
[15:05] <jibel> 854603	lightdm crashed with SIGSEGV in lh_insert()
[15:05] <jibel> 853629	empathy assert failure: *** glibc detected *** empathy: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x097f9c00 ***
[15:05] <jibel> 856975	fontconfig-voodoo crashed with DBusException in __new__(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[15:05] <jibel> 855394	update-manager crashed with AptDaemonError in _convert_dbus_exception(): org.debian.apt: Could not cancel transaction
[15:05] <jibel> 854814	cd drive lock does not work after oneiric upgrade
[15:05] <jibel> 854624	[oneiric] suspend/hibernate not performed according to "Power Settings"
[15:05] <jibel> 853233	update-manager crashed with TypeError in confirmChanges(): glib.markup_escape_text() takes at most 1 argument (2 given)
[15:05] <jibel> 852904	Unity launcher doesn't appear when a window is maximized
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 packages with High/Critical bugs opened and reported this week:
[15:06] <jibel>   * xserver-xorg-video-intel: 7 (5 are GPU lockup)
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity-greeter: 3
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity-2d: 3
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 crashers of the week:
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity: 25 (26.04 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * software-center: 24 (50.00 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * compiz: 21 (35.00 %)
[15:06] <jibel> * Top 3 packages that need triage (based on the number of untouched reports)
[15:06] <jibel>   * unity: 33 (34.38 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * software-center: 14 (29.17 %)
[15:06] <jibel>   * ubiquity: 13 (48.15 %)
[15:06] <jibel> = Boot speed =
[15:06] <jibel> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/boot-speed/
[15:06] <jibel> ..
[15:07] <skaet> Thanks jibel!
[15:07] <skaet> any one have questions?
[15:07]  * skaet goes to look at boot-speed report;)
[15:08] <mvo> jibel: is #853233 private or something, can't see it here
[15:08]  * skaet likes new reports,  cool.  :)
[15:08] <jibel> mvo, it's public now
[15:10] <skaet> [TOPIC] Security team update - jdstrand
[15:11] <jdstrand> hi
[15:11] <skaet> :)
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:11] <jdstrand> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-security.html
[15:11] <jdstrand> Burn down is below the trend line. The remaining work items should all be either bugs or items not tied to the release schedule. In addition to that, I have only one MIR left requiring a security team audit, so hopefully this helps unblock some remaining items for other teams (particularly the server team).
[15:11] <jdstrand> Bug #745836 was brought to our attention this week, and we are looking into the ecryptfs side of it. Looking at the list of other oneiric bugs, there aren't any others worth highlighting.
[15:11] <jdstrand> ..
[15:12] <mvo> jibel: I fix this right away
[15:12] <skaet> Thanks jdstrand!  questions?
[15:12] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kernel team update - ogasawara
[15:12] <ogasawara> Overall status is reported at the first link below.  Burn down for Oneiric Final is at the second link below.  Burndown for the cycle is at the third link:
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-kernel-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-kernel-tasks.html
[15:12] <ogasawara> We have not uploaded any kernels since the linux-3.0.0-11.18 upload prior to Kernel Freeze.  However, we are starting to queue quite a few bug fixes which I think we should upload prior to final freeze.  These fixes include:
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_netlink.c: fix Oops on container destroy
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system will Oops and hang.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * hfsplus: Fix kfree of wrong pointers in hfsplus_fill_super() error path
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system will Oops on mount failure.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * Compile-in vfat support for armel
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provides ability to flash/install an alternative kernel in the boot partition.
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * OMAP3 and 4 hwmod I2C units only allow 16 bit access
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - resolves errors attempting to do 32-bit writes to 16 bit registers (when running under QEMU)
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * Unregister input device only if it is registered
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, system can hang
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * add a new linux-image-extras package for virtual
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provides extra modules for those who want the virtual flavor plus a few extra modules
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * headers_install: fix #include "..." usage for userspace
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provide proper fix for some ftbfs issues on i386
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * add driver for Realtek RTS5139 cardreader
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - provide new driver
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * x86: reboot: Make Dell Latitude E6220 use reboot=pci
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix system hangs on reboot
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * ata: make DVD drive recognisable on systems with Sandybridge CPT chipset
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix the DVD drive is not recongnized
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * x86: reboot: Make Dell Optiplex 990 use reboot=pci
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, system will hang on reboot
[15:13] <ogasawara>  * rt2x00: Serialize TX operations on a queue.
[15:13] <ogasawara>   - without this fix, the driver throws and error and must be reloaded
[15:13] <ogasawara> All patches have been fully tested and adhere to our SRU policies.  This will be an ABI bump.  I would like to get approval from the release team to upload on Monday.  Comments?
[15:14] <skaet> Thanks ogasawara!
[15:14] <cjwatson> compile-in vfat sounds like it should be OK but it might be worth somebody checking for unchecked modprobes in the installer
[15:14] <ogasawara> cjwatson: ack
[15:14] <cjwatson> I don't see any in the obvious places so you're probably OK, but maybe an ARM team member should chck
[15:15] <skaet> Would prefer to see some of the fixes in (on arm side especially).     so ok by me too.
[15:15] <cjwatson> linux-image-extras, would like to see how the packaging comes out
[15:15] <cjwatson> seems slightly opaque naming, maybe linux-image-virtual-extras?
[15:15] <cjwatson> (otherwise it sounds like you can add it to a generic kernel)
[15:15] <ogasawara> cjwatson: that is more descriptive, I'll get with apw and see about renaming
[15:16] <skaet> any other questions or comments about the fixes proposed?
[15:16] <apw> ogasawara, is it not called linux-image-extras-<flavour>
[15:17] <cjwatson> the others sound OK
[15:17] <ogra_> vfat should just make the kernel slightly biggeer, i used it on the ac100 kernel for a while and it didnt cause initrd or other issues
[15:17] <cjwatson> thanks for tracking down the #include "..." problem
[15:17] <ogasawara> ok, so I'll plan an upload monday and ping the release team to approve it through the queue
[15:18] <ogasawara> Aside from the above, we are currently trending above our final milestone burndown chart but are below overall.  The remaining work items are not release critical.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Of the remaining bugs called out on the agenda against the kernel, status is as follows:
[15:18] <ogasawara> #760131 - Partly fixed in Oneiric and soon natty, more analysis ongoing upstream.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #836250 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #542660 - Looks to be related to EFI boot not loading the video bios into ram.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #746133 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #761082 - Confirmed against Oneiric, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #714862 - Assigned to kernel dev, investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #754711 - On a 3.0 oneiric kernel, system now suspends but doesn't resume.  systemtap debug scripts to help investigate recently fixed for Oneiric, see 815944.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #790712 - The order 5 allocation seems to be bogus and non-fatal; further investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #814325 - Issue confirmed upstream, actively under investigation by multiple devs.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #818177 - Comments and investigation indicate this is a udev issue, not kernel. investigation ongoing.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #557261 - Not a kernel issue, was closed Invalid.
[15:18] <ogasawara> #758486 - Told that TI will push a fix with the next BSP.
[15:18] <ogasawara> Questions?
[15:18] <ogasawara> ..
[15:19] <skaet> lol, was wondering if we'd get that bit.  :)
[15:19] <skaet> thanks again.
[15:19] <skaet> [TOPIC] Server team update - Daviey
[15:19] <Daviey> o/
[15:20] <Daviey> * Beta 2 looks reasonbly stable.
[15:20] <Daviey> * nova Diablo final didn't make beta 2, due to dep wait on glance promotion to main - which is now resolved.
[15:20] <Daviey> * Cobbler enrollement support didn't make Beta 2, but is still desired for final release (Bug 831496).
[15:20] <Daviey> Release Bug Tracking:
[15:20] <Daviey> http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[15:20] <Daviey> Notes:
[15:20] <Daviey> 653405	rabbitmq-server fails to start if hostname is unresolvable or has changed since first starting - Awaiting confirmation that this is still a bug
[15:20] <Daviey> 655533	[master] package likewise-open 5.4.0.42111-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 - Awaiting confirmation that this is still a bug
[15:20] <Daviey> 801494	Multi part LVM layout: system fails to boot due to missing volumes - Possibly related to bug 818177
[15:20] <Daviey> 832507	console.log grows indefinitely - robie is polishing off a fix, which will be submitted to upstream trunk shortly and cherry picked
[15:20] <Daviey> 842845	problems starting multiple lxc instances concurrently - Awaiting confirmation for zul
[15:20] <Daviey> 856530	nova user should not be in the nogroup group - Will be fixed in next upload
[15:20] <Daviey> 852771	dhcp leases are not released on instance termination - Should be fixed in current package
[15:20] <Daviey> 854614	metadata service local-hostname is not fqdn - Unresolved, not certain if it will be fixed for final, but desired.
[15:20] <Daviey> 845155 instance launched without key has incorrect metadata - Fixed in next upload
[15:20] <Daviey> 829234	[MIR] socat - Being dropped as a depends, and replaced with netcat - awaiting patch to nova (today).
[15:20] <Daviey> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/group/topic-oneiric-server-overview.html , doesn't quite reflect reality.
[15:21] <Daviey> ..
[15:21] <Daviey> bug 818177 is a *big deal* it seems
[15:22] <skaet> THanks Daviey!  noted.
[15:22] <skaet> re: status pages,  in what way doesn't quite reflect reality?
[15:23] <skaet> updates needed?  more done than is indicated?  (she hopes ;) )
[15:23] <Daviey> skaet: 2 things, one it seems it needs another pass to refresh it to stuff which is Done - and secondly, it has given some things more importance than they deserve
[15:23] <skaet> Daviey,  thanks for clarification, gotcha.
[15:24] <skaet> any other questions for Daviey?
[15:24] <Daviey> will pass it today.
[15:24] <skaet> :)
[15:24] <skaet> [TOPIC] ARM team update - ogra_
[15:24] <ScottK> Seems odd https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-o-postfix-enhancements isn't there
[15:24] <ogra_> = Full Status is at: =
[15:24] <ogra_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARMTeam/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
[15:24] <ogra_> --
[15:24] <ogra_> = Summary =
[15:24] <ogra_>  - B2 release went fine for armel, but we found that desktop needs more looking at wrt bugs
[15:24] <ogra_>    which the team will focus at during the next weeks.
[15:24] <ogra_>  - There are still plenty universe armel FTBFS, any additional help would be appreciated.
[15:24] <ogra_>  - mx5 images are fine but during beta testing it turned out that the kernel was missing an
[15:24] <ogra_>    essential option that blocked them from release (fix is in the archive already).
[15:25] <ogra_>  - for OMAP 4460 support there might be x-loader/u-boot changes in the pipe, if they are small
[15:25] <ogra_>    enough we will was for a late FFe, else they will go to a PPA for manually modifying the images later.
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Image Status =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Desktop images are fine
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Server images build and install fine
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Netboot images work fine
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> = Specs =
[15:25] <ogra_>  - Entire http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:25] <ogra_>  - B2 http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-2.html
[15:25] <ogra_> --
[15:25] <ogra_> oh
[15:25] <ogra_> ..
[15:25] <skaet> Thanks
[15:25] <ScottK> Any hope for mx51 support this cycle?
[15:26] <doko> these are not all arm ftbfs, the rebuild did finish on Thu, bug reports need to be filed
[15:26] <ogra_> ScottK, the mx5 images support mx53
[15:26] <ScottK> ogra_: No I take it then?
[15:26] <ogra_> doko, i'm judging by http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/
[15:27] <doko> ogra: http://people.ubuntuwire.org/~wgrant/rebuild-ftbfs-test/test-rebuild-20110819-oneiric.html
[15:27] <ogra_> ScottK, well, the efikas need special boot i think, but it might be possible to modify the mx5 images for efika booting, not sure
[15:28] <ogra_> ScottK, janimo implemented it, you should tak to him, its probably possible
[15:28] <ogra_> *talk
[15:28] <skaet> Thanks ogra_! :)
[15:28] <ogra_> :)
[15:29] <skaet> [TOPIC] Foundations team update - cjwatson
[15:29] <cjwatson> We found several installation problems for beta-2 which needed rapid changes to address, but now's a good time to find them.  pygobject 3 has caused some further trouble, and there are some regressions visible due to the new compcache, but from now on we should be able to settle down.
[15:29] <cjwatson> Still working on FTBFS, thanks largely to doko; down to 178 (at least of those that have been filed).
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 745960: newly assigned to stgraber, possibly he'll be able to make some headway where I couldn't!
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 749702: could still use accessibility help
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 779283: mvo is making progress, although update-notifier has now been whitelisted so this is less urgent
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 818177: pending jamesodhunt's return from holiday
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 851704: I think I have a fix for this
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 854927: couldn't reproduce in isolation, and now the workarounds have gone in I can't reproduce by installing a fresh system; although discussion on Wednesday suggested that forcing .crt files to be processed first might reproduce this, so I'll try that when I get a chance
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 855580: fixed
[15:29] <cjwatson> Bug 855685: anyone have opinions on whether this change would be OK at this point?
[15:30] <cjwatson> Bug 855871: not milestoned, but caused some concern around beta-2 release so looking at this too; it only affects a corner case but may indicate a problem with GRUB's XFS filesystem code
[15:30] <cjwatson> BTW I question whether it's really a useful use of time at this point to go round marking work items postponed; it should be fairly clear at this point that further features are unlikely to happen, and we could be fixing bugs in that time instead, so perhaps we can just agree to not worry about it?  It may be something we need to worry about as a people-management thing, but it doesn't seem to help the release in any way.
[15:30] <cjwatson> ..
[15:30] <skaet> Thanks cjwatson,  I've put my comments on 855685.  Am ok as long as it happens quickly - but we need translators and docs input too.
[15:31] <cjwatson> (that should have been bug 779382 above, sorry)
[15:31] <cjwatson> ta
[15:32] <skaet> cjwatson,  I think its up to each team to decide re: work items and how they're tracking.
[15:32] <skaet> If I know a team is prioritizing a large bug list over the work item cleanup - I'll adjust my expectations.
[15:33] <cjwatson> OK, I'll double-check with Steve
[15:33]  * skaet prioritizes getting the bugs fixed higher at this point... just needs to know.
[15:33] <skaet> any other questions for cjwatson?
[15:34] <skaet> [TOPIC] Linaro update - fabo or rsalveti
[15:34] <fabo> = Developer Platform =
[15:34] <fabo>  - FFe for libjpeg-turbo, bug 849337
[15:34] <fabo>  - LTTng 2.0 pre-release for ARM available into Linaro Overlay PPA for evaluation
[15:34] <fabo> --
[15:34] <fabo> = Infrastructure =
[15:34] <fabo>  - FFe for linaro-image-tools, bug 834003; needs to update to 2011.09, released today
[15:34] <fabo>  - Switch to hardware packs v2 (new updated format that can store more information about the target board)
[15:34] <fabo> --
[15:35] <fabo> = Kernel WG =
[15:35] <fabo>  - Linaro Kernel 2011.09 release based on 3.0.4 stable tree. Fix bug 709245
[15:35] <fabo>  - Evolution of the Linaro Kernel: continuous integration and based on the stable tree maintained by Greg Koah-Hartman
[15:35] <fabo> --
[15:35] <fabo> = Misc =
[15:35] <fabo>  - UDS/Linaro Connect planning: cross team sessions? e.g. Toolchain consumers
[15:35] <fabo> ..
[15:36] <skaet> Thanks fabo!   please subscribe me to the cross team sessions,  I suspect doko will want to be on some of them as well.
[15:36] <skaet> any questions for fabo?
[15:36] <fabo> I have one but not for myself ;)
[15:36] <skaet> sure,  go ahead. :)
[15:37] <fabo> who can help on ljt and lit FFe? I know Tom has pinged slangasek and ogra_ but no updated review yet
[15:37]  * ogra_ was pinged ?
[15:37] <ogra_> i didnt see that, sorry
[15:38] <ogra_> i'll contact tom
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: yeah that's what I've been told
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: thanks
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: the package is in revu
[15:38] <fabo> ..
[15:38] <ogra_> k
[15:38] <ogra_> ..
[15:38] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Ubuntu One Team -  Chipaca or joshuahoover
[15:39] <skaet> hmmm.. not seeing them in the channel.  moving on.
[15:39] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Team update- seb128
[15:39] <seb128> hey
[15:39] <skaet> :)
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team.html
[15:39] <seb128> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-11.10.html
[15:39] <seb128> weekly summary
[15:39] <seb128> We got GNOME 3.1.92 in Oneiric, GNOME 3.2 next week
[15:39] <seb128> Work items: The remaining issues are now about testing, documenting, and planning for the next release. There is one code-touching item left for firefox to not keep breaking ubuntu-defaults packages with every release.
[15:39] <seb128> Bug fixing.
[15:39] <seb128>  
[15:40] <seb128> the bugs status is on the wiki (first link)
[15:40] <seb128> ..
[15:41] <seb128> dx plan an Unity and a compiz update on monday
[15:41] <seb128> as well
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks seb128,   any concerns about the GNOME 3.2 landing to keep an eye open for?
[15:42] <seb128> no
[15:42] <skaet> :)
[15:42]  * skaet likes that answer ;)
[15:42] <seb128> they are code frozen between .92 and .0
[15:42] <skaet> Thanks seb128!   any other questions for seb128?
[15:42] <seb128> so it's going to be only translation and maybe a few important bug fixes which got 2 reviews and approval from their release team
[15:43] <seb128> usually there is very few surprises there ;-)
[15:43] <doko> besides on armel and powerpc
[15:43] <seb128> translations are usually fine on armel and powerpc ;-)
[15:43] <skaet> heh,  thanks for the explanation.   :)
[15:44] <skaet> [TOPIC] Desktop Experience Team Update - dbarth
[15:44] <dbarth> hi
[15:44] <skaet> :)
[15:44] <dbarth> short report at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/OneiricReleaseStatus
[15:44] <dbarth> in a nutshell we're accumulating fixes on the weekly milestones
[15:45] <dbarth> but that will be released on monday morning
[15:45] <dbarth> and compiz on tuesday
[15:45] <dbarth> of note
[15:45] <dbarth> - the testing of the stacking fix for compiz is going well
[15:46] <dbarth> - multimonitor issues got escalated and we're now reviewing all HW support issues with the xorg and hw cert team
[15:47] <dbarth> - the music lens update is blocked by a dee/dash issue that is still being investigated as i speak; otherwise the feature would have already been proposed for upload
[15:48] <dbarth> - performance improvemnt efforts are stalled by those other issues and the general high/critical bugs still on the weekly list
[15:48] <dbarth>  
[15:48] <dbarth> the bug radar is not up to date on the wiki report; i'll finish the update later this evening
[15:48] <dbarth> ..
[15:48] <skaet> Thanks dbarth!
[15:49] <skaet> glad to hear the stacking fix is emerging.  Looking forward to that one landing.
[15:50] <skaet> any quesitons for dbarth?
[15:50] <skaet> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Team update - ScottK
[15:50] <ScottK> Things went pretty well for Kubuntu for Beta 2 after some initial excitement about installer crashes.  We are currently working on cherry picking fixes from upstream since KDE 4.7.2 will come too close to release.  We are still sorting out some package updates, but I think they are all low risk.  Qt FTBFS, but didier will fix on Monday.  The only thing I think we need some help with is Bug #856418.
[15:50] <ScottK> ..
[15:51] <skaet> Thanks ScottK!   any questions?
[15:51]  * skaet has 856418 noted
[15:52] <skaet> [TOPIC] Edubuntu Team update - stgraber or highvoltage
[15:52] <stgraber> Hi everyone!
[15:52] <stgraber> Released a pretty good beta2!
[15:52] <stgraber> Only got one bug reported by jibel, bug 856460, which seems quite tricky to reproduce (couldn't reproduce on VM or hardware here)
[15:52] <stgraber> Expected changes to come:
[15:52] <stgraber>  - Uploads for non-langpack translation updates (arkose and edubuntu-live)
[15:52] <stgraber>  - .desktop overrides in edubuntu-artwork (to hide nepomuk on Edubuntu + Unity)
[15:52] <stgraber>  - ltsp to fix a few issues in ltsp-live (only create guest accounts we actually use), use /bin/bash for our guest users and maybe fix jibel's bug
[15:52] <stgraber> Other than that, I'm doing some work on getting WebLive up and running for release but that doesn't require any changes to be uploaded.
[15:52] <stgraber> ..
[15:52] <stgraber> Questions?
[15:52] <skaet> Thanks stgraber!  :)
[15:53]  * skaet glad to hear is nice and positive for this point in the cycle.
[15:53] <skaet> [TOPIC] Xubuntu Team update - charlie-tca
[15:53] <charlie-tca> First, let me give a *big* thank you to everyone who did so much work to get beta2 out.
[15:53] <skaet> +1
[15:54] <charlie-tca> We really appreciate the help
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu is picking up the latest packages from Xfce, since they have a lot of bug fixes, as well as new translations.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> as for the bugs,
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #831488: Xubuntu should not call gnome-control-center - CLOSED - gnome-control-center no longer installs in Xubuntu, neither does bluetooth.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #840094: There is no screen title - If a user chooses "Install Xubuntu" from the cd menu, there are no page headings or information paragraphs.
[15:54] <charlie-tca> * #845549: Do not ship /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf - blocks Xubuntu using our own theme; is in-work by robert_ancell and mr_pouit
[15:55] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit submitted a patch for it, and it is now awaiting approval
[15:55] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> ..
[15:55] <skaet> Thanks charlie-tca!
[15:56] <skaet> are you expecting any FFE's between now and final freeze?
[15:56]  * skaet can't tell if there'smore than bug fixes in packages referenced or not
[15:56] <charlie-tca> yes
[15:56] <charlie-tca> blueman and garcon, at least
[15:57] <skaet> ok.  Thanks!
[15:57] <charlie-tca> thank you
[15:57] <skaet> [TOPIC] Lubuntu Team update - gilir
[15:57] <gilir> hi :)
[15:57] <skaet> :)
[15:57] <gilir> Beta 2 tests this week, no critical bug found, we are in a pretty good shape :)
[15:57] <gilir> Still some annoying (but not blocker) bugs remain :
[15:58] <gilir> bug 819542 : It's a visual bug, not blocking jockey usage, but you see it every time you want to test on VirtualBox, maybe relative to bug 820080
[15:58] <gilir> bug 798437 : Pull out apt-xapian-index from Lubuntu ISO, previous testing with it enable was bad on some old hardwares (the target of Lubuntu)
[15:58] <gilir> bug 819538 : It's blocking installing Lubuntu using a desktop ISO on hardware with an 4 Gb hard-drive (such as old  eeePC, which are good candidates for Lubuntu)
[15:58] <gilir> We can add a note on the release notes for the last one, about using alternate ISO instead of desktop ISO in this case.
[15:58] <gilir> And we planned to upload some little fixes for next week, before final freeze.
[15:58] <gilir> ..
[15:59] <skaet> Thanks gilir!
[15:59] <skaet> I'll note down those bugs after the meeting.
[15:59] <skaet> any quesions for gilir
[15:59] <skaet> ?
[15:59] <mvo> gilir: lets talk about the synaptic issue monday
[15:59] <gilir> thanks skaet :)
[15:59] <mvo> gilir: just ping me please
[15:59] <gilir> mvo, ok
[16:00] <skaet> [TOPIC] Any other business?  - all
[16:00]  * skaet looking around for hands?
[16:00] <skaet> #endmeeting
[16:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Sep 23 16:00:45 2011 UTC.
[16:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-09-23-15.00.moin.txt
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks you for your participation.  :)    Have a good weekend everyone!
[16:01] <seb128> thanks
[16:01] <jibel> thanks skaet , have nice week end.
[16:01] <charlie-tca> Thank you, skaet
[16:02] <skaet> Thankyou, mlegris, ogra_, jdstrand, ogasawara, cjwatson, Daviey, fabo, dbarth, ScottK,  charlie-tca,  gilir, stgraber, jibel, seb128 :)
[16:02] <ogra_> thanks skaet !
[16:14] <jdstrand> thanks skaet :)
[16:14] <dbarth> okthxby
[16:14] <AlanBell> cjwatson: have you tested bug 749702 recently? I didn't notice that installing Beta 1
[16:15] <seb128> gilir, charlie-tca: still there?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> yup
[16:15] <seb128> gilir, charlie-tca: I guess neither lubuntu or xubuntu want to start nautilus to handle its background right?
[16:15] <charlie-tca> right
[16:15] <AlanBell> I would like bug 852583 sorted out before release skaet if possible
[16:16] <seb128> charlie-tca, gilir: I'm looking at bug #857159
[16:16] <seb128> charlie-tca, gilir: I will set it to OnlyShowIn=GNOME;Ubuntu but I wanted to check I'm not forgetting another desktop where it should run ;-)
[16:17] <cjwatson> AlanBell: no, I have not
[16:17] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: take a look at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/6726/991 and let's decide what the priorities are for a11y?
[16:18] <AlanBell> cjwatson: I will re-test in a bit, but fairly sure it can be closed
[16:19] <charlie-tca> seb128: to the best of my knowledge, edubuntu uses it too, don't they?
[16:20] <seb128> charlie-tca, they use GNOME
[16:20] <AlanBell> charlie-tca: the test case needs to be rewritten a bit for 11.10, the start orca procedure is much improved
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Yes, I know, AlanBell
[16:20] <seb128> charlie-tca, i.e it's not a different OnlyShowIn desktop
[16:20] <charlie-tca> seb128: just checking.
[16:20] <seb128> thanks for pointing it ;-)
[16:21] <charlie-tca> AlanBell: I will try to get it written this next week
[16:21] <charlie-tca> If you are running another screen-reader install, could you confirm those bugs on the tracker?
[16:22] <ScottK> AlanBell: I don't pronounce Oneiric Ocelot very well either.
[16:23] <AlanBell> spd-say "oneiric ocelot"
[16:23] <AlanBell> ^^ try that in a terminal window
[16:23] <AlanBell> spd-say "on-eer-ric osselot" <-- then that
[16:24] <charlie-tca> So, it uses the actual dictionary pronounciation then
[16:24] <charlie-tca> no, it doesn't
[16:25] <charlie-tca> well, I'm confused, just ignore me for a bit
[16:26] <AlanBell> can someone confirm 852583
[16:27] <jbicha> how about just simple names like "pretty panda", :)
[16:29] <RoAkSoAx> 3/win 2
[17:02] <skaet> AlanBell,  have noted it on my list and targetted it to the release.   Agree would be good to get it fixed if possible.
[17:05] <charlie-tca> I really think we have several much higher priority bugs for a11y than a single word pronounced wrong
[17:07] <charlie-tca> We could start with bug 781385, for example, so visually impaired would actually know what orca is talking about
[17:09] <ScottK> charlie-tca: Since the DX guys are still working on new features for the release, I'm sure there are plenty of people to fix all the critical bugs.
[17:11] <charlie-tca> Hm, really? That bug about the variable names was filed before Natty released.
[17:11] <ScottK> Sorry.  Forgot the </sarcasm> tag.
[17:28] <gilir> seb128, sounds good, thanks for the fix :)
[17:29] <seb128> gilir, yw ;-)