[00:19] hope you all made it home okay [05:52] morning [05:52] anyone up ? [05:54] help ? [06:05] sure [06:14] morning [06:41] Anyone with the knowledege of InstallJammer?? [06:44] never heard of it [06:45] I'd just use Wx or Qt if I wanted a cross-platform GUI [06:46] Okay [06:46] harry_: according to their website, development was discontinued last month [06:47] ya i got a mail from damon(Admin).. [06:49] but as such i need certain anwsers as such i mail to damon about my qerry but as such i did not receive any reply yet.. [07:10] Morning all [07:13] [Jono Bacon] Represent - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/23/represent/ [07:25] Morning [07:27] Morning [07:27] \o [07:27] * MartijnVdS discovers a new cool scp feature [07:27] scp host1:file host2: [07:27] and [07:27] scp -3 host1:file host2: [07:28] Wat does the -3 do then ? [07:28] (first one copies from host1 to host2, second one does the same, but uses the host you're running scp on as a "middle man") [07:28] (in case of firewalls between host1 and host2) [07:40] :) [08:03] lol - how do I remove an iptables rule? I can't see it when I do iptables -L but it is there... [08:04] TheOpenSourcerer: iptables -D [08:04] uhr [08:04] iptables -D chain_name number [08:04] I don't know the number [08:04] start counting from 1 in each chain (table) [08:04] iptables -L shows them in order [08:04] top one is 1 [08:04] I was testing a redirect. [08:04] iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d 10.0.0.2 -i eth1 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.16 [08:04] iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE [08:04] Which works. [08:05] TheOpenSourcerer: also, replaceing the -A with -D should work [08:05] This should be the only rules on that box [08:05] But why can't I list them? [08:05] TheOpenSourcerer: you can flush all rules using -F [08:05] ah [08:05] because they're in -t nat [08:05] "iptables -L -t nat" should show them [08:05] Ahh [08:06] Cool. [08:06] Thanks MartijnVdS [08:06] -F did what I wanted. [08:07] And my redirect worked. Just fyi, what's the difference between -A and -D [08:16] TheOpenSourcerer: -Add and -Delete [08:16] Yeah - sorry I was being lazy ;-) [08:16] Am reading some stuff online. [08:21] Morning [08:22] lo popey [08:22] Morning peoples [08:31] Happy Friday, everyone! === JamesTai1 is now known as JamesTait [08:41] Yes! [08:44] * TheOpenSourcerer had rather a lot of chinese last night. [08:45] aloha [08:45] All you can eat for £13.95 [08:45] I wonder why emails from the Wolverhampton Civic are so full of broken images. All ways have been as well [08:45] We had ~6 starters each, crispy duck and pancakes, curry. [08:46] Right, it's about time you Ubuntu boffins help me fix my shutdown/reboot problem :) [08:46] bigcalm: just press the button ;) [08:47] Issuing a shutdown, sleep or hibernate will reboot the system. It no longer powers off [08:48] cool :) [08:48] Annoying [08:48] did you update the BIOS recently? [08:48] I have to wait for POST and then hold down the power button [08:48] Nope [08:48] Maybe there's an update available? [08:49] No reason for it to change its behaviour [08:49] bigcalm: no new kernel version? Ubuntu version? [08:49] We have an aberrant server running natty (not my choice). It appears to have gone "overloaded" again. But now I cannot get in via ssh anymore... I blame AlanBell personally. 10.04 is a good, solid server platform. [08:50] MartijnVdS: Ubuntu version has stayed the same at 11.04, though the kernel has most probably been updated [08:53] good morning everyone, [08:56] bigcalm: i have no idea, sorry [08:56] :'( [08:56] Right, must be time to ditch Ubuntu then! [08:57] bigcalm: because that's the ONLY solution if I don't know something [08:57] ಠ_ಠ [08:57] Hehe [08:57] (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ [08:57] hey brobostigon How's it going? [08:58] Unicode win! [08:58] TheOpenSourcerer: not bad, alittle tired, didnt sleep proerly, and my eczema is alittle dodgy. how about you? [08:58] I'm good thanks. Still rather full up from last night's digital dogging session. [08:59] :) [09:00] TheOpenSourcerer: yes I did ask where the lord was only to be told you were dogging, I wasn't surprised really :p [09:00] :-D [09:26] guy at work told me there's hp touchpads in carphone warehouse bracknell [09:30] Do people really want HP touchpads now that they are available? I thought it was all about getting one when nobody else could. [09:35] bigcalm: I'd say it was all about the price point more than anything else [09:37] diplo: you could be right [09:40] I'd really like one at that price [09:49] * popey tickles TheOpenSourcerer [09:49] tee hee [09:50] * TheOpenSourcerer is waiting for an email from his friend at HP [10:01] morning all === redbaron is now known as maxivano [11:40] TheOpenSourcerer: I blame Daviey [11:40] Fair enough [11:41] AlanBell: You're wrong it's always czajkowski fault honest I went through this with TheOpenSourcerer before ;) [11:45] Is it still issues with cron TheOpenSourcerer / AlanBell ? [11:45] Remember from a week or so ago ? [11:45] diplo: Dunno this time. Can't get in :-( [11:45] Same server though yes. [11:45] No console access ? [11:45] Ha [11:45] I wish. [11:45] :p [11:45] I miss that so much from my new job [11:46] I bought a brilliant digital KVM from dell at last place [11:51] davmor2: oi [11:52] czajkowski: but you break systems all the time so it must be your fault somewhere down the line Honest ;) [11:52] czajkowski: morning by the way [11:54] I kiiiiillll you davmor2 [11:55] czajkowski: aaaaahhhhh thanks I didn't know you cared :P [12:00] weekly friendly reminder of "memento mori": get a life insurance, kids! [12:01] hmmm [12:01] really likeing how simple BAlsamiq is [12:01] but wondering is the pencil project better [12:01] so is the compaq integrated lights out thing a good way to get on to an unresponsive server and see what is happening? [12:02] Balsamiq has a nice video showing how easy it to use [12:02] pencil is easy too [12:02] yeah [12:02] then there is mocking bird [12:02] need to find one that's nice [12:02] the mac one we have here is very easy [12:02] but not on a mac [12:04] pencil is GPL which is more convenient if you want to share the design work with others [12:06] true [12:14] Guys back on my ssh setup i was talking about yesterday [12:14] I am creating a user to store a authorized_key file and a .ssh/config file [12:15] I want to use that one user to add peoples pub keys to that authorized keys file and config [12:15] And then be able to push that authorized key folder to 80+ machines [12:15] and the config to 20 ish users [12:15] Anyone know of a proper way, or am I going to have to do some scripting ? [12:27] Hm, why do you need that initial user? [12:28] I just want a centralised place to create the auth file and to have a script [12:31] diplo, will you just need to push them all once? [12:37] That was what i was thinking yeah [12:37] Adding new customers/ removing users who have left company etc [13:04] AlanBell: installed pencil shall play with it and see [14:13] [Matthew Garrett] UEFI secure booting (part 2) - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139232.html [14:44] hm. my box of tricks seems to be woefully underequipped to reshape 3mill steel plate :( I need new toys [15:08] Sheesh, damm good job all our calls are recorded, after signing up for a £100K system, they've come back & said that the part that links in with our accounts system isn't included [15:09] Thats despite me talking to them and telling them how the old system worked & how it was automatically linked in to the accounts system [15:20] DJones: We had lods of that at our last place, I reckon part my manager part sales man [15:22] Just listening to the conversation with their demo people "most of our clients use the same systems as you, we already do that for them", director has just told them that if the system isn't capeable of doing it, we're cancelling & going with their competitor which was a very similar system [15:28] :D [15:29] what are you integrating ? [15:53] diplo: Sorry, was just on the phone with them, the new system is a travel industry system, details of clients, booking, payments etc, it has to link with sage accounts [15:54] Oooh fun [15:54] We are just about to integrate Sage into our system, new and old [15:55] No one is really looking forward to it [15:55] Its shouldn't be that hard, sage is actually quite easy to import into if you've got the add on module for 3rd party integration [15:57] yeah I think we just applied for the developer pack [15:59] http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunoneil/6175563198 a very productive day off :D [15:59] oh dear shauno :) [16:00] hey guys...I'm trying to create a global LAN...in that I want people to be able to connect to my server (authenticated, there will be about 100 users) and then go where they need to. I want to add another TLD inside the network, for example www.main.dev takes a user to the main page...could OpenVPN do this? [16:13] [Matthew Garrett] Supporting UEFI secure boot on Linux: the details - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/139356.html [16:13] Monotoko: I want to say yes, but that's not going to be all openvpn, but a combination of tricks [16:19] Hm [16:20] I think this bug needs some more attention [16:20] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/840826 [16:20] Ubuntu bug 840826 in flashplugin-nonfree (Ubuntu) "Firefox (flash) mute pulseaudio and do not appear in sound app list" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:20] or we'll get LOADS of "flash sound is broken" bugs/complaints after release [16:21] Hey guys, I'm trying to mount a filesystem with sshfs, but I'm getting permission denied on /dev/fuse - The permissions are fine, and my user is part of the fuse group. Any suggestions? [16:21] (This is in an OpenVZ container) [16:23] ks07: did log out + back in after adding the user to the fuse group? [16:23] also.. ewww openvz :) that messes with lots of things, probably mounting as well [16:23] MartijnVdS, yes, I'm definitely in the groups [16:23] ks07: then fuse and openvz aren't compatible [16:24] They are, but I'm beginning to suspect the host has disabled such feature [16:25] Guess I'm waiting for support response (out of office hours, fun!) [16:31] shauno, would you mind pointing me to some tricks? :) [16:44] Monotoko: hosting .dev is going to mean running a nameserver inside the vpn that thinks it's authorative for that root. then when openvpn pushes nameservers to the clients, they want to point to that [17:16] Hello. I am trying to boot 11.04 from CD but my video is "garbled" - lots of multi-coloured lines. The card is a ATI Technologies Inc RV710 [Radeon HD 4350]. I hear the "desktop ready" sound but there's nothing I can do. I can't even open another VT [17:58] Laney: I get similar DBus errors on my unity STDERR [17:58] Laney: WARN 2011-09-23 19:43:33 glib :0 Failed to fetch view type at /org/ayatana/bamf/application0x7f41c400f400: Method "ViewType" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist [18:18] evening all [18:19] How well does natty/Oneric play with intel chipsets ? [18:19] works fine here [18:20] Thinking about upgrading this lappy [18:20] Natty works well on my dell [18:20] May just go straight to Oneric [18:20] Check the supported hardware list [18:21] Trying to find chipset now [18:21] if it works now, it'll work in Oneiric [18:21] unless it's REALLY old hardware [18:22] as in "from the server rack on Noah's ark" [18:50] hello [19:09] hey zleap [19:09] hi [19:09] Sorry MartijnVdS, its a Dell D820, so old but not ark [19:09] i965 i think [19:10] should be fine then [19:15] http://releases.ubuntu.com//oneiric/ - URL for 64bit not working, where do we report broken links [19:16] seems to work here? [19:17] lol does for me now as well [19:17] when is 11.10 released ? [19:17] Tried it in two browsers, now works :/ [19:18] it's down for oct 13th, but it's never set in stone until it happens (they've had to delay it a couple of times) [19:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule [19:18] ok [19:30] shauno: the party is on the 13th no matter what happens! [19:31] if it comes to the worst, you can cry into your beer together :) [19:31] thanks alan [19:31] hi kellyh [19:32] * AlanBell fails to install Beta 2 in virtualbox :( [19:48] is synaptic being removed from11.10 [19:49] only from the default install, I think [19:50] ok thanks [20:51] oooo errrr [20:51] cheap entertainment, just ate and now the room spins around me [21:12] HazRPG: I have no internet 'til the 10th :'( [21:12] No Battlefield 3 beta for me :'( [21:15] sammmm: gutted [21:15] HazRPG: What I have feels worse than dial up :( [21:16] heh [21:16] unlucky [21:17] OMG I managed to gather enough bandwidths to connect to Steam [21:17] esp since the internet today, uses more bandwidth for most sites... [21:17] But I'll probably just go into offline mode [21:17] HazRPG: Yeah, stupid backwards web development >< [21:23] Facebook is too bandwidth heavy for me to use :( [21:24] HazRPG: Oh yay I'm getting internet on the 6th. I only have to wait 2 horrible weeks [21:28] sammmm: btw, servers/games/etc don't use as much bandwidth as you may think... remember it just strings of text that get passed back n forth... it's the updates and patches that you need to worry about [21:29] HazRPG: Hmmm I might try some CoD4 then [21:29] HazRPG: The Wi-Fi is so flaky because it's about a mile away too :( [21:30] HazRPG: Does IRC use much bandwidths? [21:30] sammmm: almost non really [21:31] sammmm: again, just text [21:31] HazRPG: What about Steam? [21:31] most stuff will just be text being passed back n forth [21:31] unless its sending images and what not, it won't take up much [21:32] however encryption can sometimes take up more... but gotta remember, most games worked perfectly fine back in dialup days [21:32] I've played WoW fine on dialup before too [21:32] HazRPG: This is worse than dialup [21:32] however patching WoW on dialup is not fun [21:32] HazRPG: Games just won't load up on Steam :( [21:32] sammmm: dialup is anything that's less then 56k dude [21:32] I remember being on dialup and getting only 14.6k [21:33] (if I was lucky!) [21:33] HazRPG: Steam won't launch my games because I don't have enough internet :( [22:09] HazRPG: I think I'm on 14.6k :( [22:13] it should work without any internet [22:16] heh no, steam doesn't really work without internet very well, even in "offline" mode [22:16] but hey, its a drm platform, its what we all bought in to, trying not to get anymore steam games now because of annoyances like that [22:28] Ahh... I remember assurances years ago that it would still work offline. But if it doesn't I should start avoiding steam too. [22:29] sleepy time [22:31] Not having any internet is so shit [22:31] interesting twist to the thread on the mailing list [22:34] sammm, indeed, you wouldn't get to talk to us.... ;) [22:42] hamitron: I have enough internet to talk to you, but not do anything else [22:42] oh? :/ [22:42] I sort of feel your pain [22:43] :) [22:43] but I've started to just not care. and enjoy what is available [22:43] hamitron: I'm on dial up 14.2k [22:43] hamitron: But I can't get the battlefield 3 beta or play any online games :( [22:43] yeh :/ [22:43] Or watch porn [22:44] need 56k to game properly on most half recent games [22:44] well, games from 10 years ago [22:44] :/ [22:46] hamitron: The Battlefield 3 beta begins on the 29th but I won't get internet 'til the 6th :( [22:46] Sooooooooooo gay [22:47] I don't download any games, takes too long [22:47] I might phone them up and tell them that I need it sooner so I can play Battlefield 3 [22:47] hamitron: But it's not just any old game [22:47] It's Battlefield fucking three!!!!!! [22:47] Biggest game in the last 6 years or so [22:47] yeh, but it will be huge [22:47] ;/ [22:48] I just got F1 2011 on DVD off ebay [22:48] Biggest game since UT2004, CS:S and BF2 [22:48] as it was download only in the UK [22:48] :/ [22:48] hamitron: Why don't you download games? [22:49] Steam is great for that [22:49] * hamitron checks connection [22:49] 0.4mbit [22:49] ;/ [22:49] so it would take ages, slow down my internet.... [22:49] plus I like a physical game copy [22:50] plus steam have bullied me once before [22:52] hamitron: http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunoneil/6175563198 how's that for physical copies :) [22:52] omg man [22:52] respect [22:52] ;D [22:53] my first PC did have a 4 speed cdrom and sound card though [22:53] ;/ [22:53] got over 300 pc games on optical media [22:53] most things I have from the last decade or so all live piled on one harddrive :/ but my amiga .. just piles of junk [22:55] it's been in bits for about a year tho. took today to sit down 'n put it all back together. and ended up sat on ebay buying more junk for it [22:55] shauno, I know I am a little stuck in the past, but I like to think I've moved onto things that are nearly as functional as modern stuff [22:55] :) [22:55] most are win95 onwards [22:56] I don't have much from that era [22:56] before then I was all NES and SNES [22:56] :/ [22:56] I pretty much skipped win32 completely. moved to linux on my dekstop in 96, and have a good 10 year gap in my gaming starting right there [22:57] yeh, I bet [22:57] :) [22:57] any game pre-win95 I have got since win98 [22:57] most are 2nd hand [22:58] not even played most of them tbh, just wanted some of the classics [22:58] :) [22:58] do they stil have 'sold out' there? [22:58] I like cerial boxes, for the old games [22:58] ;) [22:59] in very nice condition, with full instructions [22:59] :/ [22:59] big boxes gave them a reason to fill them with stuff [22:59] yeh [22:59] and bigger is better [22:59] ;/ [23:00] well not really, i mean i got rid of my boxes years ago because geez they take up too much space [23:00] it also gives me a reason for hoarding, when collecting such things [23:00] for what is essentially just cardboard and empty space [23:00] :) [23:00] true [23:00] but I like to see them [23:00] :/ [23:00] all my big boxes got left behind when I left the UK [23:01] just so nice to stack a load of originals on a desk, and look at them [23:01] they look great on a shelf, but become worse than useless when you have restless feet [23:01] I sadly don't have enough wall space for that many shelves [23:01] :/ [23:01] my little megadrive collection is bad enough, thinking about getting rid of the boxes for those and just having carts. but they are so pretty... [23:02] * hamitron votes "yes" to the question "should gord keep his boxes" [23:02] since I started with my NES, I just kept everything as a kid [23:02] :/ [23:03] never buy anything on a new release, to save myself money to spend on more stuff [23:03] (and yes I have a mess here) [23:03] megadrive boxes aren't so bad; they're just like fat dvd cases [23:03] megadrive and megacd are things I am playing with the idea of getting [23:03] :) [23:04] never had a megacd [23:05] well they are the same size vertically as a dvd case, but 2/3 times as wide, which just eats up space on shelves [23:05] wanted a cd32, but by time saving that much money became realistic, chicks & beer showed up [23:05] you don't need to get a megacd, there is only one game worth playing on it anyway [23:05] well no a few japanese imports [23:05] shauno, no dedication to geekism ;) [23:06] but you won't find those for cheep [23:06] gord, it just looks cool [23:06] the one that mounts underneath [23:06] I am also a fan of optical media [23:07] megadrive was pretty decent tho. that's still one of my favourite controllers [23:07] no, what looks cool is a sonic the hedgehog 3 cart, plugged in to a sonic and knuckles cart, plugged in to a game genie cart, plugged in to a 32x, plugged in to a mega drive [23:09] haha [23:09] brb, gotta go put bike away [23:09] * hamitron not been home long [23:09] * hamitron gone [23:16] I have over 100 PC games on digital [23:17] * AlanBell prefers analog PC games [23:18] Now that I don't have an internet connection, I can get round to playing a couple of these SP games that I bought on Steam but never played lol [23:21] it boggles my mind that people do that. I know a load of people that haven't played half of what they bought on steam [23:22] shauno: I'm one of those people :( [23:22] shauno: I've stopped doing it now [23:22] shauno: Stupid Steam sales made me think I was getting a bargain when I couldn't play them all [23:22] shauno: I once had a friend with 700 games on Steam but he played like 5 hours a week LOL [23:26] i'v got like 120 something, some of them i have barely played on steam, but they are mostly games i have played years ago and wanted to rekindle the magic a bit [23:27] * sammm is watching Lara Croft in a diving suit [23:35] FFS why do Tomb Raider puzzles have to be so difficutl?