[05:03] <superfly> sp
[05:19] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[05:20] <superfly> morning Kilos
[05:57] <nuvolari> o/ mornings everyone
[05:57] <nuvolari> morning superfly, oom Kilos 
[05:57] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[05:57] <nuvolari> hoe gaan dit vanoggend oom?
[05:58] <Kilos> kop pla maar anders goed dankie en daar seun
[05:59] <nuvolari> kan nie kla nie dankie oom, werk is net baie en die rugby het tyd gevat gister
[05:59] <Kilos> lol
[05:59] <Kilos> eina wedstryd gewees
[06:02] <superfly> morning nuvolari
[06:05] <nuvolari> Kilos: ja dit was nie 'n game nie oom
[06:05] <Kilos> shame
[06:07] <Kilos> superfly, hows the family
[06:07] <Kilos> and the grass hehe
[06:09] <superfly> oom, the grass is growing! it's looking really good, though it's still not quite lawn size yet ;-)
[06:09] <Kilos> hehe
[06:39] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:40] <superfly> hi nlsthzn
[06:41] <nlsthzn> Hi Kilos , superfly ... and all :)
[06:42] <nlsthzn> bai again... duty and all :p
[06:42] <Kilos> toods
[06:42] <Kilos> sjoe that was fast
[09:21] <magespawn> good day
[09:21] <nlsthzn> Hi magespawn 
[09:21] <Kilos> hiya magespawn 
[09:22] <magespawn> what up, on this fine flip flop friday?
[09:23] <nlsthzn> it's Friday?
[09:25] <magespawn> last time i checked.
[09:26] <magespawn> he left because it is friday?
[09:27] <Kilos> lol
[09:31] <magespawn> thats a bit extreme.
[09:32] <Kilos> no man he is busy or something
[09:32]  * Kilos looks the poor yanks getting thrashed
[09:34] <magespawn> not at as bad as Namibia, at least they got themselves on the scoreboard.
[09:34] <Vhata> Namibia were on the scoreboard
[09:34] <Vhata> right next to the number zero
[09:34] <magespawn> lol
[09:35] <Kilos> lol
[09:35] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[09:46] <DraZoro> Hello everyone 
[09:47] <Kilos> hi DraZoro long time no see
[09:48] <DraZoro> Yeah Kilos 
[09:48] <DraZoro> I am back in the game
[09:48] <Kilos> good
[09:48] <DraZoro> I will see if I can get a copy of 11.10 over the weekend 
[09:48] <DraZoro> I am still behind :)
[09:49] <Kilos> lol i am on maverick still
[09:49] <Kilos> natty isnt happy with my pc
[09:49] <Kilos> but i checked it out and looks good
[09:50] <DraZoro> Same here Natty is fighting with me after updates ...but I experimented with gnome-shell so I am not surprised 
[09:50] <DraZoro> I am glad fluxbox is working fine even after crashing unity 
[09:50] <Kilos> ian has gone kubuntu with natty and loves it
[09:50] <Kilos> but his new work is all windows orientated
[09:51] <DraZoro> Yeah Kubuntu has attracted a lot of candidates since Natty release 
[09:51] <superfly> hi DraZoro
[09:52] <DraZoro> Hello superfly 
[09:55] <DraZoro> I missed the Software Freedom Day but I was lucky to be updated by Kodez
[09:57]  * superfly is a Kubuntu fanatic
[09:57] <Kilos> lol we noticed
[09:58] <DraZoro> I am planning to give Lubuntu a try with 11.10 
[09:58] <Kilos> i tried xubuntu in natty too
[09:58] <Kilos> not bad but gnome is more me friendly
[09:58] <Kilos> less thinking
[09:58] <DraZoro> lol
[09:58]  * nlsthzn strokes his Unity and it purrrrrs back at him
[09:59] <DraZoro> So many choices I wonder what will be like in 10 years time in open source world 
[10:00] <Kilos> i think the fly is using 11.10 on his server already
[10:06] <superfly> Kilos: on my desktop, yes, but not on my server
[10:06] <superfly> my servers run the LTS
[10:06] <Kilos> ah ty 
[10:07] <nlsthzn> It wouldn't be advisable running Beta software on a server (except for testing I guess) :)
[10:20] <morgs> Running a non LTS version on a server has bitten me big time because I couldn't just upgrade the OS every 6 months - the downtime on the site is too risky. We need to redeploy the whole stack.
[10:30] <magespawn> i am running natty in my shop but with gnome. most of the user are used to windows gnome is the closest of the two
[10:32] <DraZoro> I remember last year when I configured a basic internet cafe. The user in my area kept on asking what version of Windows is this ....and funny it was Ubuntu Maverick. 
[10:34] <magespawn> how did you control the internet access?
[10:37] <DraZoro> magespawn: That guy closed the business before I could get that step right. 
[10:37] <magespawn> ohh right. so it was a long term business then.
[10:38] <DraZoro> I was planning to use Outkafe
[10:38] <DraZoro> No it was just a small business ...just 3 computers 
[10:39] <magespawn> had a look at that. i only have 2 at the moment.
[10:39] <DraZoro> Are you using Outkafe ?
[10:57] <superfly> Anyone else heard of Desura?
[10:57] <DraZoro> No 
[10:58] <superfly> heard of Steam?
[10:58] <DraZoro> All this is new superfly I will check them out
[10:59] <superfly> DraZoro: they are digital distribution programs for games
[10:59] <superfly> but I was accepted into the Linux beta programme for desura this morning
[10:59] <DraZoro> Yeah busy googling 
[11:00] <DraZoro> Those are good news
[11:09] <DraZoro> So you will hosting game severs superfly ?
[11:11] <superfly> DraZoro: no, it just means I can download the Linux client which is in beta testing at the moment
[11:11] <DraZoro> Oh 
[11:14] <DraZoro> All the best of luck superfly I hope to join you one day. 
[11:14] <DraZoro> Guys I will check in later bye for now.
[11:14] <Kilos> cheers DraZoro 
[11:15] <DraZoro> cheers everyone
[11:15] <DraZoro> Thanks for sharing information ...
[11:22] <Kilos> DraZoro, dont stay away for months again
[11:23] <DraZoro> I won't this time ...every time I am online I will visit the channel. 
[12:29] <Kilos> hiya Blunt_Man 
[12:30] <Kilos> never seen you here before
[12:30] <Kilos> hmmm he didnt wanna be seen
[12:56] <magespawn> hey back again had work to do.
[12:57] <Kilos> wb
[13:09] <magespawn> can anyone tell me if there is a package that is in more recent use than  outkafe?
[13:49] <Kilos> what does it do magespawn 
[13:51] <magespawn> Kilos it is software to manage an internet cafe. server side control for client computers.
[13:52] <Kilos> what does maaz say
[13:52] <Kilos> is there nothing in the repos
[13:54] <Kilos> maaz google internet cafe management with ubuntu
[13:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "cafe con leche: Internet cafe management software - Ubuntu Forums" http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=777093 :: "Linux Cyber Café and Internet Café management software" http://www.cyber-cafe-software.com/Eng/Linux/ :: "Mkahawa - Open-Source Cyber / Internet Cafe Management Software" http://mkahawa.sourceforge.net/downloads.php :: "Cybercafe, Internet Timer software mycafecup Cybercafe, Internet ..." http://cafe.qarchive.org/
[13:55] <Kilos> whew
[14:12] <magespawn> i would like to find one that is under active development.
[14:14] <magespawn> the mkahawa one seems promising.
[14:17] <magespawn> ty Kilos am busy downloading now
[14:18] <Kilos> which one mage
[14:18] <Kilos> grr
[14:18] <Kilos> magespawn, 
[14:19] <Kilos> i have learned to try use whats available to us as much as possible . i tried some other things a while back and caused big probs on my pc and the fly fought me
[14:19] <Kilos> hehe
[14:21] <magespawn> mkahawa
[14:21] <Kilos> good luck. hope it works kiff for you
[14:23] <magespawn> the softvision one is for sale, they only give you a 15 day trial quite pricey 119 usd
[14:23] <Kilos> eish
[14:24] <magespawn> not too bad, but out of the budget for now.
[14:25] <Kilos> there is normally something along the freeware paths that is almost as good and at times better
[14:26] <Kilos> or some linux guy has worked out a better way
[14:30] <magespawn> there is a piece of software called DD-WRT i think, that allows you to flash your router and control everything from there.
[14:30] <magespawn> maaz google DD-WRT
[14:30] <Maaz> magespawn: "www.dd-wrt.com | Unleash Your Router" http://www.dd-wrt.com/ :: "Router Database | www.dd-wrt.com" http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database :: "Supported Devices - DD-WRT Wiki" http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices :: "What is DD-WRT? - DD-WRT Wiki" http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/What_is_DD-WRT%3F :: "DD-WRT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT :: "Hack Attack: 
[14:31] <magespawn> yup thats it.
[14:33] <Kilos> found a thingie in synaptic called pessulus you can look at.
[14:34] <Kilos> lockdown editor for gnome
[14:34] <Kilos> can do things i dont understand
[14:34] <Kilos> hehe
[15:23] <magespawn> having a look now
[15:25] <superfly> afternoon magespawn
[15:25] <magespawn> hi superfly
[15:26] <magespawn> Kilos looks like it stops ppl from changing things on the machine, virtually all can be locked.
[15:27] <magespawn> might also be useful for use with my kids, they have a tendency to randomly change things.
[15:28] <magespawn> there  is probable a more powerful may to do it using the terminal
[15:28] <Kilos> lol
[15:30] <magespawn> i was looking more for software to control the billing of the internet usage, a plus would a way to bill wifi and printing.
[15:30] <magespawn> there are plenty of pay options, but most of the usually require a monthly sub.
[15:31] <magespawn> i plan to put up an external antenna so that people can access the wifi from other places
[15:33] <superfly> magespawn: don't be scared to pay for something... there are plenty of times when the open source solutions are not at the same level as the commercial solutions
[15:37] <magespawn> not scared to pay for things just do not have the money available at the moment. had to move premises and various other problems.
[15:44] <magespawn> if there is not a free open version that is good will definitely go the paid root.
[16:12] <magespawn> good night all
[16:53]  * sakhi needs a web authenticator for squid proxies... (authentication will point to an ldap server)
[17:01]  * nlsthzn is back... back again...
[17:02] <sakhi> wb
[17:02] <nlsthzn> ty