[00:35] <balyoz> hello, do you answer questions?
[00:36] <well_laid_lawn> if someone knows the answer they''l respond if you ask balyoz
[00:36] <well_laid_lawn> mostly
[00:38] <balyoz> I am using kubuntu, window decoration is oxygen, desktop theme is oxygen,widget is oxygen. Is it possible to increase the width  of the scrollbar?  thank you
[00:39] <balyoz> also, i tried editing /usr/share/themes/oxygen-gtk/gtk-2.0/gtkrc file , but it didn't work. Which parameter should I change?
[00:46] <well_laid_lawn> balyoz: if no one here knows you could try in #kde 'cause I don't know
[00:46] <balyoz> ok thank you
[00:54] <joma> helloo
[00:55] <zothera>  o
[00:57] <CoJaBo> p
[01:08] <SubCool> why does my VNC connection flicker?
[01:08] <SubCool> if i dont move the mous for like 2 seconds it goes black..
[01:54] <mark__> Hi, my Skype isn't showing in my capture streams, and I can't get my mic to work with it. Can anyone help me?
[02:00] <BenPA> Hi all ... can someone tell me how to delay the startup of the lcd weather station ... it seems to startup before the wireless connection then errors out
[02:06] <SubCool> could somoene assist in a Vnc issue
[02:06] <SubCool> is there a IRC section?
[02:07] <BenPA> Hi all ... can someone tell me how to delay the startup of the lcd weather station widget... it seems to startup before the wireless connection then errors out
[02:25] <BenPA> Hi all ... can someone tell me how to delay the startup of the lcd weather station widget... it seems to startup before the wireless connection then errors out
[02:26] <SubCool> where is everyone?
[02:27] <BenPA> good question
[02:27] <BenPA> well it is Friday night lol
[02:30] <SubCool> Hey, someone help me with VNC. its acting weird. The screen goes black after two seconds. Its a very fast screen saver.
[02:49] <avihay> SubCool: you can try changing the rendering backend. other then that I have no leads
[03:07] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[04:20] <bkovacs> Any one try Kubuntu 11.10 b2
[04:23] <bkovacs> I wonder if Kubuntu 11.10 will include 4.7.0 or 4.7.1
[04:31] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: i wouldn'y be too thrilled about either one
[04:32] <bkovacs> Why is that
[04:33] <jmichaelx> for my hardware, 4.7.0 brought with it a large number of bugs
[04:34] <jmichaelx> the most annoying of which are still around in 4.7.1
[04:34] <bkovacs> What kind of bugs?.
[04:35] <jmichaelx> akde overall is great, but like always, quality control is severely lacking
[04:35] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: the most annoying bug of all, is that usually icons stay in the task manager after windows are closed
[04:37] <bkovacs> I tried Linux Mint Debian Edition (Gnome), everything was perfect except my printer was not recognized even with drivers installed.
[04:37] <jmichaelx> i have been a loyal kde fan for years, with the exception of the 4.0-4.2 era
[04:38] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: hmmm, that is strange
[04:38] <bkovacs> I'm running 11.04 with 4.6.5 and so far so good
[04:38] <jmichaelx> i have been tempted to switch permanently to xfce, but it can be buggy, too
[04:38] <bkovacs> Yeah it is strange. and the Main edition has an applet error which has yet to be fixed.
[04:39] <bkovacs> XFCE is ok, but has less features
[04:39] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: yea, 4.6.5 also had some annoying bugs, but i got along with it much better than with 4.7.... i am getting tired of how shoddy kde can be qualitywise
[04:40] <bkovacs> What should happen is that gnome should include a claasic desktop until Gnome 3 has become stable
[04:40] <bkovacs> Pretty much allot of the new distros coming out seemed to be rushed.
[04:41] <bkovacs> Even PCLinux OS has a hanging problem during install. And Chakra also has a installer problem.
[04:42] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: well, since they are applying unity to the underlying gnome code, they continue to update as new versions of gnome come out. with the advent of gnome shell, they could not keep updating if they continued to support gnome classic
[04:42] <bkovacs> I may just keep running 11.04 for another year.
[04:42] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: the whole world of linux is fraught with huge issues with (a stunning lack of) quality control
[04:43] <bkovacs> gmone and unity are not that bad. But simple things like a menu being visible are damm right annoying.
[04:43] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: i have never been much of a gnome user, and have done nothing more than briefly play with unity
[04:43] <bkovacs> In unity you have to maximize every application to de your edit menu
[04:44] <jmichaelx> bkovacs: that would suck
[04:44] <bkovacs> Everyone seems to praise Arch as a KDE distro. but the installer is just plain time consuming.
[04:45] <jmichaelx> i've also never used arch
[04:46] <jmichaelx> i don't mind time consuming, as long as there is something gained from it
[05:47] <naftilos76> hi, does anybody know a proven-to-be-reliable way of somehow importing a tree of Kmail folders containing emails as well as other folders containing other emails and so on into Evolution in an automated way through a bash script ?
[05:53] <naftilos76> anyone?
[06:55] <WVP8400> Hello, I hav eproblems installing a programm called Xmipp
[06:56] <WVP8400> when I type in the functions
[06:57] <WVP8400> xmipp_protocols I get: /usr/bin/env: csh No such file or directory
[06:58] <tsimpson> WVP8400: it wants the csh shell, you should install the "csh" package
[06:58] <WVP8400> ok
[06:59] <WVP8400> I'll try this
[07:02] <WVP8400> and it is solved
[07:02] <WVP8400> thanks
[07:02] <WVP8400> nn
[08:26] <vitaminc> ?
[09:54] <ahox> Hi, how do I burn an udf image to a dvd? k3b complains that it is an unknown image.
[09:57] <ArchangelSe7en> err
[09:57] <ArchangelSe7en> ahox, there is a slight chance that iat would support it
[09:58] <ArchangelSe7en> have you tried it ?
[09:58] <ahox> no, thnx, I will try that
[09:58] <ArchangelSe7en> yw
[10:10] <hm> hello everyone
[10:10] <hm> hello ?
[10:13] <hm> is someone on here that can help me to explain me why the new stable kernel 3.0 wont activate my X video card (Intel Mobile 4 series ) please ?
[10:21] <hm> please hellpppp
[10:26] <hm> hola
[10:26] <hm> hola a todos
[10:27] <well_laid_lawn> hm: tried the X log to see what's up?
[10:28] <well_laid_lawn> !pm
[10:30] <well_laid_lawn> good luck hm
[10:30] <hm> hi
[10:30] <hm> so I have to ask on here ?
[10:31] <hm> I very confuse
[10:34] <hm> I m running on the kernel 2.6.35 , with my videocard Intel Mobile 4 series (915), works everything great, but when I select from the GRUB the new version kernel 2.6.38 or 3.0, just a black screen come up
[10:37] <hm> I ve even upgrade  my PPA repositories from Intel from the original drivers, but anyway it still dont working
[10:38] <hm> I dont see any answers...  :-(
[10:46] <shadeslayer> hm: i'm stuck on the same thing
[10:46] <hm> yeah ?
[10:46] <shadeslayer> hm: i think you need the dual channel lvds patch for the kernel
[10:46] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure, can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[10:47] <hm> I ll try....hold on
[10:47] <shadeslayer> sure
[10:47] <hm> by the way...thank u for interesting on my case
[10:47] <shadeslayer> i was trying to get kubuntu booted under EFI last night, and apart from the problem that X does not start up, everything works
[10:48] <shadeslayer> no problem :)
[10:48] <hm> just a second...trying to get the teminal commands
[10:49] <shadeslayer> hm: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit
[10:53] <hm> be patient please please, it is installing the program pastebint
[10:54] <shadeslayer> yep, i'm still here :)
[10:54] <hm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/696104/
[10:55] <hm> did it say something for u ?
[10:56] <shadeslayer> hmm .. not really
[10:57] <shadeslayer> hm: do you get a terminal after you boot or just a blank screen?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> and what kubuntu version is s
[10:57] <hm> I ve installed the original Intel mobile drivers from the ppas but anyway
[10:57] <shadeslayer> *this
[10:57] <hm> 11.04
[10:57] <hm> Natty
[10:57] <shadeslayer> which ppa?
[10:57] <hm> I got just blak screen
[10:58] <hm> and even I can hear these sounds of the OS starting up, but anything at all on the screen , just black
[10:59] <hm> the ppa or repositories recommended on the intel linux sites
[10:59] <hm> this case is very strange
[10:59] <shadeslayer> could you provide me the exact link?
[10:59] <fontis> yay
[11:00] <fontis> I'm on KDE 4.7 now
[11:00] <fontis> and wow, it's so slick
[11:00] <hm> how if everything works greats under the 2.6.35 why shouldn work on the better ones laters
[11:00] <fontis> kudos Kubuntu team!! Great job
[11:00] <shadeslayer> fontis: wohoo
[11:00] <hm> yes , wait I will chek out these links , please just a second
[11:00] <hm> please just a second
[11:01] <fontis> shadeslayer: sorry, I'm a bit of a novice with quassel
[11:01] <fontis> accidentally dc'ed instead of connecting to the 2nd network
[11:02] <hm> here there are
[11:02] <hm> add-apt-repository ppa:glasen/intel-driver
[11:02] <hm>  add-apt-repository ppa:gma500/psb110
[11:02] <hm>  add-apt-repository ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[11:02] <hm> these supposly be the original drivers providers for this news kernel
[11:03] <hm> Intel-driver
[11:03] <hm> I mean supposly
[11:05] <shadeslayer> well, xorg-edgers are experimental drivers
[11:05] <shadeslayer> so they might/might not work
[11:05] <shadeslayer> hm: best bet, ask in #ubuntu-x
[11:05] <hm> aha okey
[11:06] <hm> I m that channel righ now'
[11:06] <fontis> btw anyone here with a HP laptop? the newer generations that is
[11:07] <hm> sorry I have the emachines cheap chinese laptop, but works great
[11:07] <fontis> I'm trying to salvage my sanity with this trackpad shizzle, it's broken :(
[11:08] <shadeslayer> fontis: cursor keeps jumping around?
[11:09] <fontis> no, the "left click" button doesn't work, the "disable trackpad" button and it's LED doesnt work and it's so sensitive
[11:09] <fontis> typing and accidentally sliding the trackpad is fubar compared to win
[11:09] <fontis> i gotta type like a burgler lol
[11:10] <shadeslayer> start xev from a konsole and try those actions, and see the konsole output, if its detected, you can change the settings in systemsettings
[11:11] <hm> thank u shadelayer for the tips
[11:11] <hm> about my X problem
[11:12] <hm> I m currently on the X channel, asking the same thing
[11:12] <fontis> so I guess noone with a hp laptop who had their synaptics sorted then?
[11:13] <fontis> I think there ARE drivers out for it by HP, but iirc they are packaged already, .rpm file for suse
[11:21] <fontis> no luck? :P
[11:57] <user_> Hi...why does the brightness hotkey not work on kubuntu 11.04?
[12:03] <fontis> user_:  maybe its the FN key that need to be pressed
[12:04] <user_> fontis: actually...the BIOS is set so that I do not need to press the fn key
[12:05] <user_> the brightness slider does appear but no change in brightness occur
[12:05] <fontis> Hmm.. try pressing the fn key and doing it in case it works
[12:05] <fontis> ah, no idea, im having similar issues
[12:05] <fontis> but my brightness is just superlow at boot
[12:05] <user_> I have search the net and it seems to be a common problem
[12:06] <user_> what happens to your brightness after logging in?
[12:14] <user_> could it have something to do with this dmesg output? http://paste.kde.org/126793/
[12:17] <fontis> user_:  I have no idea mate
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[13:05] <nacional> hello
[13:06] <nacional> anyone around here?
[13:12] <nacional> I need some help
[13:17] <BluesKaj> nacional, ask your question
[13:17] <nacional>  Hello BluesKaj I  installed ubuntu live CD with windows like it says on their website, and now i want to connect to windows again and the username\password screen stays black and i cant see the HomeScreen of windows 7
[13:19] <BluesKaj> did you install ubuntu or kubuntu , and what website?
[13:20] <nacional> i installed ubuntu (seems iḿ in the channel of another linux distro sorry for that)   http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/windows-installer from here BluesKaj
[13:23] <BluesKaj> ok  nacional , so you used wubi to install ubuntu...when you ask a question about it you should mention the kind of installtion sinc a wubi is quite differnt than a normal ubuntu installation .
[13:24] <nacional> sorry, i was just trying to see if i can deal with it has a starter :x  my bad.
[13:24] <nacional> or a noob if u want lol :s
[13:28] <mikeshutt> can i get assistance on ubuntu in this channel?
[13:29] <mikeshutt> some asshole ubuntu op banned me
[13:29] <nacional> probably the main reason is the fact that u think that u can speak like that to ppl that is helping u
[13:30] <BluesKaj> nacional , do you get the grub menu bootloader page after booting ? It list the opreating system kernels , including your windows installion
[13:30] <mikeshutt> no my evaluation is that the op is a power-tripped asshole
[13:30] <mikeshutt> and i feel it is accurate
[13:31] <nacional> yes, and i choose windows 7 and then it starts and when it show the Login Screen shows only the pointer of the mouse nothing else , everything goes black
[13:31] <nacional> BluesKaj:
[13:31] <BluesKaj> mikeshutt, take it easy ..that kind of language won't help solve your problem
[13:32] <BluesKaj> nacional, does ubuntu boot when you choose it ?
[13:32] <nacional> yep, iḿ using it right now
[13:32] <BluesKaj> !pm | mikeshutt
[13:33] <nacional> BluesKaj:
[13:33] <mikeshutt> !pm | BluesKaj
[13:34] <mikeshutt> !pm
[13:34] <BluesKaj> nacional, ok open nautilus, it's the file manager...is windows listed in the places list ?
[13:36] <nacional> BluesKaj:
[13:36] <nacional> is it this
[13:36] <nacional> Nautilus actions is an extension for Nautilus, the GNOME file manager. It allows the configuration of programs to be launched on files selected in the Nautilus interface.
[13:36] <nacional> ?
[13:36] <FloodBotK1> nacional: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[13:37] <nacional> it sems i have to install it
[13:38] <BluesKaj> nacional, did you install ubuntu in windows using wubi or directly from the live cd
[13:38] <nacional_> i installed it using a pen drive but ON WINDOWS directly now i dont need a pen or a CD to use it
[13:41] <nacional_> ok i installed the program BluesKaj
[13:43] <nacional_> i guess i've done some serious **** no BluesKaj ? :x
[13:47] <BluesKaj> nacional_, ok open a terminal ,,it's also called the console ..type or copy and paste theis command , sudo fdisk -l
[13:47] <BluesKaj> nacional_, look for ntfs partition
[13:48] <nacional_> /dev/sda1   *           1       59650   479135736    7  HPFS/NTFS
[13:48] <nacional_> /dev/sda2           59650       60802     9248792    7  HPFS/NTFS
[13:48] <nacional_> this ?
[13:48] <BluesKaj> yes , ok
[13:48] <BluesKaj> good
[13:49] <nacional_> i made something right lol
[13:50] <meir> hi , how to we install the Adobe flash player into Firefox .. ? if any one can help
[13:52] <pythonsnake> Hello
[13:52] <netzheimer> Hello
[13:53] <BluesKaj> nacional_, when you boot your machine hit F key that indicates  "rescue" , but you will probly get better advice in the ##windows chat
[13:53] <BluesKaj> meir, sudo apt-get install flashplugin installer in the terminal
[13:53] <pythonsnake> anyway to get 3 ?
[13:54] <nacional_> BluesKaj:  should i say them the same i told you  here?
[13:54] <ikonia> pythonsnake: get 3 of what ?
[13:54] <pythonsnake> of KDE
[13:54] <BluesKaj> meir correction : flashplugin-installer
[13:54] <ikonia> pythonsnake: it's dead now pretty much
[13:55] <meir> Thank you .. I am going to try that
[13:55] <BluesKaj> nacional_, yes describe what you told me
[13:56] <nacional_> i dont want to lose all my videos and pics :s damn me i should try this with a cd not like this now i messed it up lol
[13:57] <pythonsnake> hmm I see
[13:59] <BluesKaj> nacional_, hit F11 key to go into your windows rescue mode
[13:59] <BluesKaj> nacional_, then let the #windows chat help you from there
[14:00] <nacional_> i read some Portuguese guy saying, its a Problem with the Grub Recovery
[14:00] <nacional_> whats that BluesKaj ?
[14:03] <BluesKaj> nacional_ , grub doesn't need recovery but it the windows mbr that isn't loading that's why you need to the ##windows ppl
[14:03] <pythonsnake> thanks
[14:04] <nacional_> iḿ talking there BluesKaj waiting now :x to see if anyone helps
[14:35] <BluesKaj> BBL
[15:03] <madbovine> hey I have a problem...I have update available in 11.10 but when I go to install them I get a message saying there's another package manager running but I can't find where it is running in system monitor
[15:05] <madbovine> can anyone help?
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !fixapt
[15:16] <FSHero> Hello; I recently installed Kubuntu 11.04 using the alternate-installer on the DVD. I chose the language to be en_GB, but at the terminal screen (Alt+F1) the keyboard layout is incorrect.
[15:16] <FSHero> e.g. pressing shift+2 should type a " but instead it types a @ (like US keyboard layout).
[15:17] <FSHero> My /etc/default/locale is seen at http://paste.ubuntu.com/696191/
[15:17] <FSHero> Can anyone advise please?
[15:30] <BluesKaj> FSHero,this command,  setxkbmap gb -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAYtry
[15:30] <BluesKaj> FSHero, correction ,  setxkbmap gb -print | xkbcomp - $DISPLAY
[15:31] <FSHero> BluesKaj: ok thx
[15:31] <BluesKaj> it also sets it in Xconfig
[15:32] <FSHero> Did not work; it said "Cannot open display "default display""
[15:33] <FSHero> hm... could it be because I'm running an X-Server -- i.e. KDE right now?
[15:33] <BluesKaj> maybe sudo ?
[15:33]  * FSHero <grins stupidly>
[15:33] <FSHero> oops, forgot to sudo
[15:39] <FSHero> BluesKaj: hi, it didn't work. Once again had that same "could not open default display" error.
[15:39] <FSHero> Nevermind, i'll sort it out another day.
[15:40] <FSHero> BluesKaj: hey, I recognise your name from a few years ago!
[15:40] <FSHero> You still frequent the Kubuntu/Ubuntu IRC?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> FSHero,  it might require a tty (ctrl+alt+F1) , then sudo service kdm stop,  do the command then start kdm , and ctrl+alt+ F7 or F8
[15:41] <FSHero> BluesKaj: I also stopped the KDM and tried to run the command, but to no avail.
[15:41] <BluesKaj> yes FSHero . I'm here a lot
[15:41] <FSHero> lol -- I stopped signing into
[15:41] <FSHero> #kubuntu as I became too distracted!
[15:41] <FSHero> Like now.
[15:42] <BluesKaj> FSHero, perhaps in system settings/input devices/hardware , change the kb model
[15:43] <FSHero> BluesKaj: done that in KDE, and it works okay when i'm logged into KDE.
[15:43] <FSHero> It's just a minor niggle I suppose; I rarealy use the Ctrl+F1 TTY.
[15:47] <BluesKaj> well time to try the new soundcard ....bbl
[16:04] <marcusdavidus> hello
[16:05] <marcusdavidus> how to delete icon name from plasma icpn frpm desktop pls
[16:26] <marcusdavidus> anyeone here?
[16:27] <ikonia> quiet at the moment
[16:30] <Crell> Hi all.  I'm having an issue with flash video on Kubuntu 11.04.  It had been working last week, but recently I tried playing something and I am now getting a message in my browser that flash is not installed.
[16:31] <ikonia> Crell: whats changed ?
[16:31] <Crell> Same thing in Firefox and chrome.  However, the flashplugin-installer package is still installed and showing no errors.
[16:31] <ikonia> Crell: is it all flash sites, or just one specific one
[16:31] <Crell> ikonia: I think I ran an aptitude upgrade somewhere in there, but I don't rightly recall.  (I don't use flash daily.)
[16:31] <Crell> Multiple.  Right now I'm looking at YouTube.
[16:32] <ikonia> I wouldn't be surprised if an update broke it,
[16:32] <Crell> Lovely.
[16:32] <Crell> Any idea how to fix it?
[16:32] <marcusdavidus> how to remove icon name from icon pkpls in plasma desktop
[16:32] <Crell> I thought aptitude-upgrade was the safe one. :-)
[16:32] <ikonia> Crell: the easy quick test is to just remove the flash plugin package (and library) and then try a re-install
[16:33] <ikonia> Crell: that is the safe method, but as adobe controls the actual flash application, updates can sometimes make it incompatible
[16:33] <Crell> Just flashplugin-installer package?  Purge and reinstall?
[16:33] <ikonia> Crell: worth a try
[16:34] <Crell> I suppose it can't break anything that's not already broken...  (Famous last words...)
[16:34] <ikonia> Crell: I understand your frustration though
[16:35] <Crell> I had flash working all pretty in Kubuntu 10.04.  Then moved to SuSE for a while to try to make something else work, which broke fullscreen flash.  Now back to Kubuntu, and Flash... did work, now it doesn't. :-)
[16:35] <Crell> Is HTML5 video universal yet?  Please?
[16:36] <ikonia> don't think so, getting there though
[16:36]  * Crell sighs.
[16:36]  * Crell is a web developer, which makes it extra frustrating.
[16:37] <Crell> OK, uninstalled and reinstalled.  Now restarting browsers.
[16:37] <ikonia> we can only hope
[16:39] <Crell> Seems to work for Chrome.
[16:39] <ikonia> well, that's a start
[16:41] <Crell> And there's firefox.
[16:42] <ikonia> sounds like an update did something stupid like overwrote it, or something just as silly
[16:42] <ikonia> nice job Crell
[16:43] <Crell> Thanks, ikonia.
[16:43] <Crell> Grr... Adobe.
[16:54] <pvive> hi i am not able to configure my mic . Would be really glad if someone can help me out
[16:56] <pvive> how to enable mic ?
[16:59] <winut> cat /proc/asound/cards
[16:59] <winut> paste the result
[17:00] <winut> maybe it is muted in alsamixer?
[17:01] <winut> open terminal and type alsamixer
[17:04] <winut> pvive: i guess hat has fixed it then?
[17:25] <pvive> net connection problem
[17:26] <pvive> winut : Opened terminal and typed alsamixer. Headphone volume is full
[17:46] <pvive> video comes differently with blue shades in linux
[17:47] <pvive> in dragon player
[17:53] <Peace->    pvive
[17:53] <Peace-> pvive:  ati / nvidia ?
[17:54] <pvive> nvidia
[17:54] <Peace-> pvive: you could think to install vlc or .. disable kwin effects  (i guess blur could be enough but... i am not sure so disable them all)
[17:56] <pvive> how to disable kwin effects?
[17:58] <shane2peru> why is it every time I click on Dolphin even though I'm using my computer, it seems to stutter, and stammer, and then reacts, the computer fan kicks on, like it is waking up every time I need to use Dolphin??  Do I need to give it a little coffee?
[18:37] <winut> pvive: isn't it microphone your having trouble with?
[19:18] <mudassar> does any body know about GLPK package ? anybody who knows formulation in ILP and solving in glpsol ?
[19:33] <Arath> hello
[19:38] <Arath> I'm trying to install a wireless usb driver, however i need to install make first, but i can't cause i can only connect with wireless. Is there some repository i can download the synaptic or apt package and take it over on an usb stick?
[19:40] <Euathlus> Hi, could someone help me installing Kubuntu 11.10 beta 2?
[20:38] <radovan_> hi, if i not configure /etc/X11/xorg.conf in kubuntu its use some file,  and i dont know what its writen in this file need know it, somebody knows where is this file? or what its writen in?
[20:55] <BarkingFish> !xorg | radovan_
[20:58] <dashavoo> Hey, is there a known issue that involves KDE (apparently) ignoring mouse clicks and failing to either start, or draw, applications?
[21:00] <dashavoo> the mouse moves around, and I can do alt+F2 to bring the command launcher up, but I can't click on anything, and applications I try to launch from the launcher do nothing
[21:00] <dashavoo> well, I see the mouse pointer change as if something will happen, but then nothing does
[21:22] <user___> is it possible to configure X so that it always uses the discrete graphics card?
[21:52] <drbobb> hello, sound from the flash plugin stopped working for me, meaning no sound from youtube, grooveshark etc. - is this a known issue?
[21:53] <well_laid_lawn> what did you change/install/remove/edit?
[21:55] <drbobb> nothing, just applied updates as they come up
[21:57] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like a config file was overwritten somewhere, you'll have to redo whatever you did to have sound work in flash before
[21:57] <drbobb> don't recall having to do anything special
[21:57] <well_laid_lawn> ok
[21:58] <well_laid_lawn> I don't remember having to do anything to get sound working in flash either
[21:59] <drbobb> I googled but all I found refers to old releases
[22:01] <drbobb> oh and I tried to switch youtube to html5, but that didn't give me any sound either
[22:01] <drbobb> btw using google chrome
[22:01] <drbobb> desktop audio players do play sound though
[22:04] <well_laid_lawn> are you using adobe flash or flashplugin-nonfree?
[22:04] <drbobb> flashplugin-installer
[22:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> can I ask a KDE specific question here?  Not a Kubuntu question, but a question related to KDE on Ubuntu systems.
[22:06] <TheEvilPhoenix> or should I ask in #ubuntu or elsewhere?
[22:06] <well_laid_lawn> I don't use chrome but maybe try to reinstall the plugin or try a different plugin
[22:09] <Kimlaroux> !ask TheEvilPhoenix
[22:09] <Kimlaroux> fail
[22:10] <Kimlaroux> TheEvilPhoenix, just ask your question, if anyone got the answer, they'll give it
[22:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  sorry, got d/c'd.  so far, the answer is being given in #ubuntu, i'll stop by if they get stumpted though
[22:10] <drbobb> well I found a ppa with a flashplugin64-installer
[22:10] <TheEvilPhoenix> ... like now :P
[22:12] <TheEvilPhoenix> i'm running KDE in a standard Ubuntu installation.  I installed kde-standard to get KDE in.  The system does not load any type of network management item like the standard GNOME system loads (networkmanager).  Is there a way to get such a network management applet to load in KDE?  As it stands now, the system doesnt load internet connectity when using KDE
[22:12] <drbobb> replacing the flashplugin did not help
[22:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> drbobb:  you might need to install the flash plugin for chrome manually...  i ran into that with Chromium (the non-google version of chrome)
[22:13] <TheEvilPhoenix> iirc, flashplugin-nonfree nor flashplugin-installer contain chrome plugins
[22:14] <drbobb> the plugin is working, it just doesn't produce sound
[22:14] <Kimlaroux> TheEvilPhoenix, I use Wicd. I simply added it to the "apps to launch at each session" in KDE settings
[22:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  as i'm fairly new to the KDE environment, and as I dont have it loaded just now, you'll have to specify the steps to take to load it
[22:14] <Kimlaroux> drbobb, Chromium comes with flash... you don't need to install it
[22:14] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/it/some program on boot/
[22:15] <drbobb> I am using Chrome from google's repo
[22:15]  * TheEvilPhoenix is, unfortunately, a Unity/Gnome user
[22:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> drbobb:  did you happen to try chromium-browser?
[22:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> its already in ubuntu's repos and it comes with flash
[22:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> drbobb:  google's repos dont autoinclude the flash plugin
[22:15] <TheEvilPhoenix> ... for anything
[22:15] <drbobb> yes I used it in the past but google's edition worked better for me
[22:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> and by not loaded, i mean i'm logged into the gnome environment because KDE didnt load the internet.
[22:16] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  ^
[22:17] <Kimlaroux> well KDE used Knetworkmanager
[22:17] <Kimlaroux> uses*
[22:17] <Kimlaroux> but I find it unusable, so i purged it and installed Wicd
[22:17] <Kimlaroux> as most people do I believe
[22:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> is there a network manager applet or something i can utilize in kde?
[22:18] <TheEvilPhoenix> i've tried wicd and it doesnt work very well with my card
[22:18] <drbobb> the knetworkmanager works fine for me
[22:19] <Kimlaroux> it's either knetworkmanager or wicd
[22:21] <TheEvilPhoenix> alright, i'll go see if either of those will work,  and if not, i'll show up again
[22:21]  * TheEvilPhoenix shall let his ZNC lurk here in the mean time
[22:23] <drbobb> still googling but all the advice I find is obsolete
[22:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  knetworkmanager worked strangely enough, stupid computer...
[22:26] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  after a reboot it responded correctly
[22:27] <Kimlaroux> yeah reboots tend to do this nowadays
[22:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  recommended KDE IRC clients?  ones that work with ZNCs, preferably.
[22:43] <TheEvilPhoenix> KVirc doesnt like loading all the channels lthe ZNC is connected to
[22:45] <JontheEchidna> I'd recommend Konversation
[22:47] <drbobb> still no fix for lack of sound from flash
[22:47] <winut> have you tried the 64bit ppa?
[22:47] <winut> assuming your on 64bit
[22:48] <winut> https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash possible workaround
[22:50] <drbobb> yes, it did not help
[22:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> wow, i'm surprised i havent used KDE sooner
[22:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> its a ton more pretty than GNOME :P
[22:54] <Kimlaroux> TheEvilPhoenix, yeah KDE is more sexy than gnome... think of the PC Vs mac apple ads ;)
[22:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> lol
[22:54] <drbobb> well too bad youtube has no sound
[22:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  the only issue I am running into is slight lag
[22:54] <Kimlaroux> I always used X-chat, people seem to like Quassel too
[22:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> drbobb:  reboot your system
[22:54] <drbobb> I did
[22:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> do  it again or use FFox
[22:54] <TheEvilPhoenix> :P
[22:55] <drbobb> this is not a browser issue, it's a fflash plugin issue
[22:55] <TheEvilPhoenix> thought it was a Chrome issue :P
[22:55] <Kimlaroux> drbobb, I think I ran into this problem too once... if I remember right, I had to link the flash files to the chrome working directory
[22:56] <drbobb> oh and I noticed that since some time it is no longer possible to paste text into (some) java applets
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  is there any way to, in a sense, de-lag KDE?
[22:56] <winut> i use firefox nightly, works fine
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> it just hangs for about 15 seconds when switching windows
[22:56] <Kimlaroux> yes, just turn off as many desktop effects as you can
[22:56] <drbobb> Kimlaroux: the plugin does load, it just doesn't produce sound
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  under...?
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> remember, i'm used to Unity / GNOME
[22:56] <drbobb> video does play though
[22:56] <TheEvilPhoenix> not KDE :P
[22:56] <Kimlaroux> drbobb, I know, it's a known bug
[22:57] <winut> drbob, do you have pulseaudio installed?
[22:57] <drbobb> Kimlaroux: so is booting into windows the only workaround?
[23:00] <Kimlaroux> TheEvilPhoenix, well I run kubunt-desktop, so the settings might be different, but look into System settings > Look & Feel > Desktop > Desktop Effect
[23:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  yeah, found it
[23:00] <drbobb> yeah I got pulseaudio, it's installed by default isn't it
[23:00] <TheEvilPhoenix> had to figure out which "system settings" applet to use - kde-standard installed the KDE one and also left the GNOME one :P
[23:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> i just disabled a bunch of the settings, its working now
[23:01] <TheEvilPhoenix> although my CPU is throttled back atm due to low battery
[23:02] <drbobb> I have no problem playing sound files, over my speakers or even bluetooth
[23:02] <drbobb> just flash emits no audio
[23:02] <Kimlaroux> yeah the dual system settings actually made the devs of gnome and kde fight like kids over candies
[23:02] <Kimlaroux> drbobb, running 64 bits?
[23:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  lol
[23:03] <drbobb> Kimlaroux: aye
[23:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  well installing KDE caused the ffox fonts to be defaulted to the KDE fonts
[23:03] <Kimlaroux> yeah there's your problem... the built-in flash plugin is 32bit
[23:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> which look nice, but only in the GNOME environment
[23:03] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/GNOME/KDE/
[23:04] <Kimlaroux> Oh nice, they fixed it in the last chrome package
[23:05] <Kimlaroux> chromium, I mean
[23:05] <drbobb> Kimlaroux: it did work until a couple weeks ago
[23:05] <Kimlaroux> maybe an update messed it up?
[23:05] <drbobb> now I installed 64bit flash and audio doesn't work either
[23:06] <Kimlaroux> actually, chorme doesn't care if you install flash or not
[23:06] <Kimlaroux> it won't use it
[23:07] <Kimlaroux> drbobb, in about:plugins , click on +details
[23:07] <drbobb> Kimlaroux: done that already, all seems fine
[23:07] <Kimlaroux> what does location says?
[23:08] <drbobb> says /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
[23:08] <drbobb> as expected
[23:08] <Kimlaroux> mine says Location:	/var/lib/flashplugin-installer/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[23:09] <drbobb> you probably use the 32bit version
[23:10] <Kimlaroux> that would be disturbing, considering I have a 64 bits system
[23:10] <drbobb> no it's not
[23:10] <drbobb> it's the default
[23:13] <Kimlaroux> That's interesting, seems like I was wrong, Chromium does use the plugin installed from the flashplugin-installer package
[23:13]  * drbobb is not at all surprised
[23:16] <Kimlaroux> I think you have a conflict on your system, you said you were using firefox too, no?
[23:16] <drbobb> no I didn't
[23:19] <drbobb> ok my googling indicates nobody has a clue how to work around this issue
[23:19] <drbobb> goddnite
[23:20] <drbobb> goodnite
[23:22]  * Kimlaroux downloads Adobe's flash plugin 11 RC 64 bits just to try it out...
[23:38] <yofel> Kimlaroux: works fine here, there's also https://launchpad.net/~sevenmachines/+archive/flash if you want a PPA way of installing it
[23:38] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: i would love to hear how it works for you. i gave it a try recently, and was surprised at how bad it was (on my system)
[23:38] <jmichaelx> lol
[23:38] <yofel> heh, no issues here, at least not with firefox ^^
[23:39] <jmichaelx> yofel: it was horrible here.. i went right back to the last 64 bit 'square' preview
[23:39] <Kimlaroux> I think I tried it a few month ago before I reinstalled... iirc it crashed and failed to load too often to be used
[23:39] <Kimlaroux> can you install a 63bit stable release?
[23:40] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: yea... for me, it crashes, and flash video do very badly when played full screen, or in HD streams
[23:40] <yofel> IIRC there is no 64bit stable release, all betas, correct me if I'm wrong
[23:41] <Kimlaroux> yeah adobe's website confirms it
[23:41] <jmichaelx> nothing for me has ever worked as well in 64-bit as the last square preview (using and nvidia ion2 gpu)
[23:41] <jmichaelx> an*
[23:44] <Kimlaroux> how do I find chormium's folder?
[23:44] <Kimlaroux> whereis doesn't know
[23:45] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: if you just put the plugin in a firefox plugin directory, chromium should be able to find it
[23:45] <Kimlaroux> that's dirty =P
[23:45] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: i think that is just normally how it's done
[23:45] <Kimlaroux> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/
[23:46] <jmichaelx> yes... what i meant to say is that it is normally done the way i described, when you have both FF and chrome/chromium installed
[23:47] <jmichaelx> i *believe* the same goes for most any other browser, as well (opera, konqueror, rekonq, etc)
[23:49] <Kimlaroux> yeah it would be more efficient if you had multiple browser... but I only have Chromium
[23:49] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: yea, and i should have asked about that instead of assuming
[23:49] <jmichaelx> :-)
[23:50] <Kimlaroux> weirdly enough, I still have /opt/firefox
[23:50] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: had yyou installed a binary from mozilla at some point?
[23:51] <Kimlaroux> yeah I tried the last one
[23:51] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: ok... i doubt that uninstalling that binary would necessarily remove the directory
[23:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> Kimlaroux:  does firefox integrate well into KDE?
[23:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> s/into/with
[23:52] <Kimlaroux> no, the mozilla binary just doesn't work
[23:52] <Kimlaroux> you have to use the ubuntu branding
[23:52] <jmichaelx> TheEvilPhoenix: eh... it's alright... there is a package that is supposed to help with the KDE integration, but it is pretty crappy
[23:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> thought so
[23:52] <Kimlaroux> jmichaelx, that's weird, the directory is actually full
[23:52] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: how did you install it, and how did you uninstall it?
[23:53] <Kimlaroux> how do I cleanly remove it?
[23:53] <Kimlaroux> I think I used the installer
[23:53] <Kimlaroux> not sure though
[23:53] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: i imagine you could just delete the directory
[23:54] <Kimlaroux> oh yes, I remember... there is no installer, I created this directory
[23:54] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: Kimlaroux  i didn't even know that they had an installer
[23:54] <jmichaelx> ok, yea
[23:57] <Kimlaroux> Adobe's folder has files in the same folders that they are on my system, can I do cp usr/ /usr/ ?
[23:58] <jmichaelx> Kimlaroux: you lost me there
[23:59] <Kimlaroux> the archive I downloaded from Adobe has folders, starting from usr/ onward and containing the files you have to copy to your system, in the same hierarchy