[00:01]  * gnomie ponders the advance of technologies.. solid state societies! :o
[01:29] <MrFisherman> im logging in as root automatically for some reason on 11.10
[01:29] <MrFisherman> ?
[01:30] <bjsnider> sounds like you're at the wrong runlevel
[01:30] <MrFisherman> whats that?
[01:30] <bjsnider> look it up
[01:30] <MrFisherman> lol
[01:31] <MrFisherman> im googling the prob as we chat
[01:31] <bjsnider> you're kind of in a troubleshooting mode
[01:31] <MrFisherman> is their a terminal command?
[01:32] <MrFisherman> sudo passwd -l root
[01:32] <bjsnider> if you init 1 or 2 or whatever, you will reboot as root
[01:32] <MrFisherman> will that perminantly disable my root acess?
[01:33] <gnomie> you are root
[01:34] <gnomie> some linux folk would consider that bliss
[01:36] <MrFisherman> well on 11.10 when it happens the full desktop fails to load
[01:36] <MrFisherman> im preatty stuck
[01:37] <MrFisherman> i tried to reconfig lighdm an gdm
[01:42] <MrFisherman> when lighdm come up for example, an i choose KDE, an empty session of unity comes up with only the unity panel.
[01:43] <MrFisherman> one question, whats the command to start KDE from terminal?
[01:46] <MrFisherman> WARN  2011-09-23 20:46:35 glib.glib-gobject <unknown>:0 instance of invalid non-instantiatable type `(null)'
[01:46] <MrFisherman> WARN  2011-09-23 20:46:36 glib <unknown>:0 Unable to fetch children: Method "Children" with signature "" on interface "org.ayatana.bamf.view" doesn't exist
[01:47] <MrFisherman> when i attempt to turn off auto login with system setting i get that errot
[01:47] <MrFisherman> r
[02:07] <funkyHat> flash appears not to be using pulseaudio, and it looks like an amd64/multiarch related issue. Anyone else noticed this?
[02:11] <jbicha> funkyHat: https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=bug&id=2968177
[02:22] <bjsnider> it uses pulse through alsa here
[02:24] <bjsnider> that bug only talks about recording, not playback
[02:25] <bjsnider> amusing that adobe says it doesn't have time to fix the bug, though
[02:31] <kilrae> oneiric is getting me down
[02:33] <kilrae> it's hanging on DHCP during install unless i remove the network cable
[02:33] <kilrae> and installing the nvidia drivers broke the entire system
[02:33]  * kilrae bashes his computer a little more
[02:34] <funkyHat> Yep that will sort it
[02:34] <kilrae> sometimes it helps
[02:34] <kilrae> show it i'm serious, you know?
[03:18] <dooglus> I just tried updating from 11.04 to the 11.10 beta using update-manager -d
[03:18] <dooglus> now I can't boot the system :(  are there known bugs?
[03:19] <kilrae> i saw one about updating on the website, something about it not working
[03:19] <kilrae> i think for amd64
[03:20] <dooglus> where might I find that?  which website?
[03:21] <urlin2u> dooglus, what happens when you try to boot?
[03:21] <dooglus> urlin2u: for a long time now, I've been puzzled as to why I get a blue screen with 'kubuntu 11.04' on it when I boot
[03:21] <dooglus> urlin2u: I never found a way to get back to the black ubuntu 11.04 boot screen
[03:22] <dooglus> urlin2u: and now when I boot I get the same kubuntu 11.10 screen, for a long time
[03:22] <urlin2u> dooglus, what is the graphic chip/
[03:22] <dooglus> urlin2u: then it says "waiting for network", then "waiting up to 60 seconds for network", then "booting without network", then nothing
[03:22] <dooglus> urlin2u: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[03:23] <dooglus> or maybe 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)
[03:23] <dooglus> nothing special, anyway
[03:24] <urlin2u> dooglus, there has been an broken in distro update for the last two days, this besides any previous problems may be part of this
[03:24] <dooglus> I have booted a live USB - the first that came to hand was CentOS 6, but I doubt it matters
[03:24] <urlin2u> hard to say though for myself.
[03:24] <dooglus> urlin2u: I expect I can chroot into my hdd from the live USB and update or tinker - but don't know what to tinker with...
[03:25] <dooglus> urlin2u: do you have a URL refering to the 'broken in distro update'?
[03:26] <dooglus> after a while I can ctrl-alt-f2 and get a login prompt, but no networking
[03:27] <urlin2u> dooglus, it has been all over this channel, and is on the ubuntu forums I'm sure hard to find the exact syntax to search with.
[03:28] <dooglus> urlin2u: I'll scroll back through the logs then, thanks
[03:29] <urlin2u> dooglus, np.
[03:50] <kilrae> i'm getting really good at typing my decryption passwords at least
[03:56] <kilrae> ok nvidia 173
[03:58] <kilrae> ok, no crash, good stuff
[04:05] <kilrae> no dual monitors either though
[04:05] <kilrae> seems to be a pre-existing bug with 173
[04:05] <kilrae> however current crashes things, so it might not be a good choice
[04:06] <kilrae> i find it weird that 173 is the old version offered instead of 175, which worked
[04:07] <bjsnider> there is no 175
[04:08] <bjsnider> there was a 275
[04:08] <bjsnider> what hardware is this?
[04:08] <kilrae> geforce 9500
[04:08] <kilrae> i thought current was 180
[04:09] <kilrae> and google informs me that it has a memory bug of some kind
[04:09] <bjsnider> witht hat hardware you should be using nvidia-current
[04:10] <kilrae> i tried it
[04:10] <bjsnider> it will work
[04:11] <kilrae> i'm going to try again in a few minutes
[04:12] <kilrae> the computer is restarting
[04:18] <bjsnider> kilrae, did it work or not?
[04:18] <kilrae> restarting again, the prior restart was for updates
[04:19] <bjsnider> before you do that you can run a couple of commands to test it
[04:19] <kilrae> it's already booting
[04:20] <kilrae> so far no crashy
[04:21] <kilrae> what commands did you have in mind?
[04:24] <Onlyodin> Beta 2 released yesterday?
[04:25] <rww> yup
[04:27] <kilrae> excellent, dual monitors
[05:33] <teamcoltra> Is http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8284273 still the best guide for removing pulseaudio and using only ALSA?
[05:43] <FoolishOwl> Hello, folks. I'm on 11.04, and considering the upgrade. I know my system is using grub-uefi, and is a dual-boot system -- I gather that may complicate things. Is that true?
[05:47] <FoolishOwl> I'm unclear on how UEFI works.
[05:49] <macer1> First, do a backup, OK?
[05:49] <macer1> grub-efi will not be a problem
[05:50] <dooglus> I managed to get the network up, but still can't get any kind of GUI up.  am stuck in a virtual console
[05:51] <dooglus> when I ran 'ifup wlan0', the network came up, but got an error message that /run/network/ doesn't exist
[05:51] <FoolishOwl> macer1, thanks. Is that from experience?
[05:51] <dooglus> does /run/network/ exist for anyone else?
[05:51] <macer1> FoolishOwl, well, yes. I am running grub-efi on my macbook :)
[05:54] <FoolishOwl> It had me a bit puzzled -- at some point with 11.04, the updater kept asking to replace grub-efi with grub-pc, so I had to keep declining that upgrade.
[05:55] <macer1> oh
[05:55] <macer1> this is interesting...
[05:56] <macer1> I was installing 11.10 beta clean btw. because it contained many efi fixes, including not bricking macs :D
[05:57] <FoolishOwl> That's good. I saw a note that the 3.0 kernel has some uefi fixes.
[05:57] <FoolishOwl> I've had annoying problems with reboots and shutdowns, and I've seen suggestions that it's connected to UEFI.
[06:01] <macer1> FoolishOwl, my was kernel panic when trying to reboot or shutdown
[06:01] <macer1> fixed in kernel 3.0 ;)
[06:03] <FoolishOwl> Alrighty, then. I'll do the upgrade tomorrow.
[06:04] <dooglus> can someone give me a URL to a beta2 i386 ISO please?
[06:04] <FoolishOwl> I'm glad Thunderbird is finally the default.
[06:06] <rww> dooglus: see the links on http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/
[06:06] <rww> which is straight from the URL in the /topic
[06:06] <rww> which you should read, because yay release notes
[06:08] <dooglus> rww: I don't have a web browser
[06:08] <dooglus> rww: since upgrading to 11.10 I can't run X, so want to reinstall
[06:08] <rww> dooglus: you want Ubuntu rather than Kubuntu or Xubuntu or something, I take it?
[06:09] <dooglus> rww: I run xubuntu, but usually start with the ubuntu iso
[06:09] <rww> dooglus: http://releases.ubuntu.com/11.10/ubuntu-11.10-beta2-desktop-i386.iso
[06:09] <dooglus> thanks
[06:09] <rww> dooglus: ps, w3m is a command-line browser that I find useful in situations like that :)
[06:09] <dooglus> rww: I've been struggling to use links2
[06:12] <dooglus> in a probably-unrelated incident, all my odd-numbered function keys have stopped working
[06:12] <dooglus> F2 through F12 are ok, F1 through F11 are broken.  does this make any sense at all?
[06:12] <rww> o.O
[06:12] <dooglus> that's what I thought
[06:12] <dooglus> escape is broken too
[06:12] <dooglus> right next to F1
[06:12] <dooglus> all other keys are fine
[06:14] <dooglus> I see packages usb-creator-gtk and usb-create-kde.  is there a command-line alternative?
[06:16] <rww> dooglus: you can use dd for oneiric ISOs. sudo dd if=/path/to/file.iso of=/dev/sdX
[06:16] <rww> dooglus: where X is your USB stick's ID, see dmesg when you plug it in
[06:21] <dooglus> rww: I'll check
[06:21] <rww> (I note that dd only works on ISOs for oneiric (and higher, in the future), not <= natty)
[06:21] <dooglus> rww: sdb1?
[06:21] <rww> dooglus: it'd be sdb
[06:22] <rww> dooglus: but yeah, that sounds reasonable if you have one hard disk
[06:22] <dooglus> rww: I'd prefer to fix my existing install if possible...
[06:22] <rww> I wouldn't be the person to ask about that, Xorg confuses me :(
[06:23] <dooglus> rww: I think the problem is that the upgrade failed to update samba, and quit part way through
[06:23] <dooglus> rww: I completed it using apt-get dist-upgrade, but I think there must be more steps to do
[06:24] <dooglus> rww: lots of commands I run complain about "Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused"
[06:25] <macer1> dooglus, looks like dbus is not started
[06:25] <dooglus> rww: you're sure I dd to /dev/sdb not /dev/sdb1?
[06:25] <rww> dooglus: yes
[06:25] <macer1> dooglus, try sudo service dbus start
[06:25] <dooglus> macer1: what do I use to restart it?
[06:25] <macer1> or restart
[06:28] <dooglus> doesn't seem to change anything
[06:30] <macer1> dooglus, maybe because package is not installed correctly
[06:31] <dooglus> macer1: I've tried reinstalling dbus
[06:32] <dooglus> I tried removing the system_bus_socket too
[06:32] <dooglus> but now it complains the file doesn't exist
[06:32] <dooglus> I wonder what makes it
[08:33] <shanky> hi, I have just upgrade to Beta 2, on a 64bits system and now flash plugin is not working, on some pages it said is missing on other is just displaying a black/blank image where a flash should be appeared
[08:38] <shanky> seems that flash aid addon should help me
[08:40] <iceroot> shanky: reinstall the package "flashplugin-downloader"
[08:48] <shanky> iceroot: thanks, but that did not work, although flash-aid addon did :)
[09:06] <lubosz> hi folks
[09:07] <lubosz> what is happening here? http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/481523/
[09:08] <lubosz> also, i removed lightdm (it wasn't launching any session). now i have to start GDM manually every login, but the boot log shows that GDM and lightdm start (yes i removed lightdm). how do i make gdm to start by login?
[09:08] <iceroot> lubosz: source ~.bashrc && wine
[09:08] <iceroot> should say "command not found"
[09:09] <iceroot> source ~/.bashrc
[09:09] <lubosz> i guess the bashrc is loaded when i start the terminal session anyway
[09:09] <lubosz> so the first command would not do anything?
[09:09] <lubosz> but lets try
[09:10] <lubosz> nothing happened
[09:10] <lubosz> source loads the env values from bashrc. which is loaded anyways
[09:10] <lubosz> wine is obviously in the path
[09:10] <iceroot> lubosz: its relaoding PATH imo
[09:13] <Amaranth> lubosz: try dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[09:14] <lubosz> Amaranth: thx i try that
[09:15] <Amaranth> lubosz: what do you get for ls -l /usr/bin/wine?
[09:16] <lubosz> owned by root, no symlink
[09:16] <lubosz> its from the wine1.3 package from the winehq ppa
[09:16] <lubosz> i guess
[09:16] <lubosz> i hope its a 11.10 package
[09:16] <iceroot> lubosz: dpkg -S /usr/bin/wine  will tell you the package
[09:16] <lubosz> yeah, i did that
[09:17] <lubosz> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/481527/
[09:17] <lubosz> hm it does not say if its a 11.10 package
[09:17] <lubosz> i cant spell the freaking release name
[09:17] <lubosz> oreinic
[09:17] <lubosz> whatever
[09:18] <Amaranth> lubosz: i was hoping to see if /usr/bin/wine was executable
[09:18] <lubosz> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9688 2011-09-16 06:49 /usr/bin/wine
[09:18] <lubosz> yes it seems so
[09:20] <Smedles> hi all - since a few weeks ago, my 11.10 system is not recognising the mac address of the NIC - so no network at bootup
[09:20] <Amaranth> lubosz: do you have anything in your .bashrc, .profile, or .bash_aliases that changes wine?
[09:20] <Smedles> I can fix using ifconfig eth0 down; ifconfig eth0 hw ether <mac address>; ifconfig eth0 up
[09:20] <iceroot> Smedles: ifconfig -a  is not showing eth0 with a mac?
[09:20] <Smedles> but it's a pita
[09:21] <Smedles> mac is showing as ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[09:21] <lubosz> i do only have a custom bashrc, but it should not change anythin wine related
[09:21] <Smedles> which is clearly incorrect
[09:21] <lubosz> i try another user
[09:21] <lubosz> same thing for the root
[09:21] <iceroot> Smedles: if you enable pxe-boot at start-up is there a correct mac shown?
[09:22] <iceroot> Smedles: at the pxe-boot-part
[09:22] <Smedles> iceroot: pxe-boot in the bios you mean?
[09:22] <iceroot> Smedles: correct, also called network-boot
[09:22] <Smedles> or how do I enable pxe-boot
[09:22] <lubosz> the bashrc is preetty much vanilla ubuntu
[09:22] <iceroot> or netboot
[09:22] <Smedles> ok will try that from the bios
[09:22] <iceroot> Smedles: maybe also the mac is shown in bios
[09:22] <Smedles> need to reboot for updates anyway
[09:22] <Smedles> couldn't see the mac shown in bios
[09:23] <iceroot> Smedles: also have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/ for the persistent-netrules things if there is something set to the wrong mac
[09:23] <iceroot> Smedles: udev is setting the eth-names depending on the mac, also you can set the mac to something else there
[09:24] <Smedles> it has:
[09:24] <Smedles> # PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
[09:24] <Smedles> SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="1c:6f:65:c6:1d:b8", ATTR{dev_id}=="0x0", ATTR{type}=="1", KERNEL=="eth*", NAME="eth0"
[09:24] <Smedles> which is the mac of the onboard nic
[09:24] <iceroot> Smedles: that means that this mac always will be eth0
[09:25] <iceroot> shanky: if you have another nic with a different mac it will never be eth0, also if its the only nic, it will never be eth0
[09:25] <iceroot> shanky: wrong nick
[09:25] <iceroot> SmedlesTP: ^
[09:26] <SmedlesTP> I am using the onboard nic with that address
[09:26] <SmedlesTP> hmmm pxe boot shows the client mac addr as ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[09:26] <SmedlesTP> so seems my problem is hardware related :/
[09:27] <iceroot> SmedlesTP: yes then its a "hardware" issue
[09:28] <iceroot> SmedlesTP: i know some cases where aq bios-update was setting the4 mqac to an incorrect value
[09:28] <iceroot> sorry, eeepc keyboard...
[09:31] <SmedlesTP> will check gigabyte website for bios updates
[09:42] <SmedlesTP> let's see if the reflash of bios helped, rebooting now
[09:44] <SmedlesTP> nope - guess I'll contact gigabyte
[09:50] <lubosz> can i install 32bit dev dependencies on a 64bit system? the thing ia-32 did last time?
[09:50] <lubosz> http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/481536/
[09:53] <lubosz> i think you all the 32bit
[09:55] <jtaylor> depends, if the dependencies are multiarch same, elso no
[09:56] <lubosz> jtaylor: how would you recommend to install the wine dependnecies? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/481538/
[09:59] <jtaylor> install it in a 32bit chroot
[10:01] <lubosz> also. do you think these are my drivers, or does the gnome packaging need some love? http://i.imgur.com/0emST.png
[10:01] <lubosz> gnome 3.0 worked fine with the same nvidia driver on 11.04
[10:01] <lubosz> gnome 3.1 works fine with the same driver on archlinux
[10:05] <SmedlesTP> iceroot: thanks for your time - a bios reset did the trick - as in short the jumpers on the mainboard
[10:38] <iceroot> Smedles: great :)
[11:14] <Fen-> fluxbox works on 11.10 ?
[11:37] <gnomie> @.o
[11:47] <gnomie> don't know what's going on but system is freezing up on me. apport isn't catching anything; system monitor reports 100% cpu but all processes seem quiet. TOP isn't seeing anything either but only sys monitor reports 100% cpu; regarless, system is unstable. expecting to freeze over anytime soon...
[11:48] <gnomie> o.@
[11:48] <penguin42> when you say freeze does anything respond - e.g. capslock, can you ping it on the network?
[11:48] <gnomie> frozen like dead penguin
[11:48] <gnomie> no response
[11:48] <penguin42> :-(
[11:49] <penguin42> hmm - anything in the logs ?
[11:49] <gnomie> am afraid to even open nautilus to check
[11:52] <gnomie> there is a couple crashes in unity-2d-places and gtk-logout-helper [which i know has been reported already]
[11:53] <gnomie> "apport: report /var/crash/_usr_lib_indicator-session_gtk-logout-helper.104.crash already exists and unseen, doing nothing to avoid disk usage DoS"
[11:53] <gnomie> that sounds like a good one to blame
[12:00] <gnomie> whatever is in /var/crash is stuff already reported by apport
[12:00] <gnomie> ?
[12:01] <gnomie> i mean, whats the difference between /var/crash and /var/log
[12:02] <penguin42>  /var/crash is only where something has figured something has crashed - it's almost external to the thing that crashed; /var/log is just logs of some things that happen - not necessarily crashes
[12:03] <gnomie> alright
[12:06]  * gnomie searches launchpad for usr_lib_gnome_settings_daemon 
[12:07] <gnomie> i got something on that
[12:09] <gnomie> i suggest to back up often.. ubuntuone is working out fine so far, use it
[12:11] <gnomie> ha! there are like a hundred dups of the gtk-logout-helper bug
[12:11] <gnomie> sigh
[12:12] <gnomie> 'medium importance'  0.o
[12:14] <gnomie> it affects quite a lot of folk, on both 386 and x86_64 architectures
[12:14] <gnomie> none seem to have proper debugging symbols tho
[12:15] <gnomie> bug 852343
[12:33] <gnomie> sike. still here. cool
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:36] <gnomie> this isn't looking good for deadline
[12:40] <BluesKaj> gnomie, just arrived so what isn't looking good for deadline?
[12:41] <gnomie> 11.04 was pretty decent on this hardware here. this is nothing short of horrible from a usability standpoint [by comparison]  :(  my current confidence in oneiric isn't improving today. at least i was able to successfully install, so there is some hope
[12:44] <jcook_5xdata> is any one having problem with Atheros AR285 when It ry to connect to wireless it crushes my whole system
[12:44] <gnomie> thunderbird has some interface issues in its plugin section, although everything does work .. if you can get past all the flickering
[12:53] <SirFunk> anyone know why apt is giving me all kinds of errors like: W: GPG error: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com oneiric-updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[12:54] <gnomie> just ran a youtube video [flash started working again] but everything on screen is going at 10 frames per second. and i mean not just the video
[12:56] <Fen-> hmm
[12:57] <Fen-> i cant install my wireless drivers after update 2
[12:57] <Fen-> * beta 2
[12:57] <Fen-> broadcom
[12:57] <Fen-> it gives me the driver but wont let me install it
[12:57] <Fen-> broadcom STA
[12:57] <Fen-> any hints ?
[12:57] <Stanley00> SirFunk: try follow this link http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-75813.html
[13:00] <Fen-> hmm
[13:00] <Fen-> annoying >.<
[13:01] <Fen-> says its blacklisted
[13:01] <Fen-> in log
[13:05] <Fen-> worked extremely well
[13:06] <Fen-> hmm
[13:16] <Fen-> hello ? :p
[13:28] <gnomie> i know what it is.. it's the y2k12 bug! :o
[13:29] <gnomie> those mayans, i tell ya
[13:52] <FernandoMiguel> guud afternuun
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hey FernandoMiguel
[13:56] <pythonsnake> Hi
[13:57] <pythonsnake> does 11.10 have a break effect when windows is closed ?
[13:57] <bazhang> a break effect?
[13:57] <pythonsnake> yeah
[13:58] <pythonsnake> like glasses
[13:58] <bazhang> which means what?
[13:58] <pythonsnake> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uff_XHKFqgg
[13:58] <pythonsnake> 1:03
[13:59] <pythonsnake> or it's a custom effect?
[14:00] <koud> will the updated kernel with powerregression fix be released for testing in beta?
[14:00] <koud> or do I need to add some ppa?
[14:00] <necreo> alright
[14:01] <necreo> the 11.10b1 failed for me today (didnt start the network manager indicator) so I reformated and installed 11.10b2
[14:01] <necreo> this one doesnt boot for me however
[14:01] <Ian_Corne> something is dragging in gnome-session-fallback
[14:02] <Ian_Corne> why?
[14:20] <Pilif12p> Were all the music stores removed in Ryhthmbox in 11.10?
[14:22] <robotti^> how to install ubuntu without ubiquity_
[14:23] <penguin42> robotti^: Use the alternate install CD
[14:23] <Ian_Corne> I think you can install a plugin Pilif12p
[14:24] <Pilif12p> Ian_Corne: any idea which one?
[14:24] <robotti^> penguin42: there is no means to install from cli
[14:24]  * Pilif12p likes that store which he can't remember the name of that has free indie music  on it
[14:24] <robotti^> I just must download alternate install cd
[14:25] <robotti^> is it so
[14:25] <Ian_Corne> Pilif12p: they're in banshee now
[14:25] <penguin42> robotti^: I'm not sure, there is a 'debian installer' package that might do it, never tried it though
[14:26] <robotti^> penguin42: just type debian installer
[14:26] <robotti^> okay
[14:26]  * Pilif12p sighs
[14:33] <Pilif12p> and i have another question...
[14:33] <Pilif12p> Why does Firefox open a new window when I click a link anywhere, that's not in Firefox or Thunderbird
[14:33] <Pilif12p> Just a new window with my homepage
[14:36] <Basomis> does mousekeys work in 11.10 b2?
[14:37] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, it does. I use sticky keys here.
[14:37] <Basomis> how do I enable them?
[14:38] <charlie-tca> You have to open the dash, then search for accessibility
[14:42] <rigved> robotti^: there is the Ubuntu minimal CD. it will only install the CLI. After that, you can boot into the CLI and install more stuff as you want.
[14:42] <Stanley00> rigved: alternate cd do
[14:43] <Stanley00> rigved: or if you have internet, use net boot CD
[14:43] <rigved> robotti^: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[14:44] <rigved> Stanley00: robotti^ asked for a cli way, so i suggested the minimal cd. i think that it is the same as the netinst cd of debian or what you were suggesting.
[14:44] <Stanley00> rigved: sorry, my bad ;)
[14:45] <rigved> Stanley00: np :)
[15:21] <roasted> anybody know how to change the top window border in gnome shell?
[15:24] <BluesKaj> what's the command to change keyboard's location/country ?
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> there's setxkbmap
[15:25] <Ian_Corne> and there for tty's dpkg-reconfigure
[15:26] <BluesKaj> Ian_Corne, what follows the setxkbmap command
[15:26] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> be give azerty
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> en_us gives qwerty
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> only things I know :p
[15:34] <bjsnider> roasted, you can change theme settings in gnome-tweak-tool
[15:35] <roasted> whats what I thought, but Im not seeing the option I remember. I just found a hit on reddit within gnome tweak so let me check it out...
[15:37] <roasted> ah, yup. does nothing :(
[15:37] <roasted> so all of my windows are ambiance except the title bar
[15:37] <roasted> the title bar is this ugly windows 95 looking thing
[15:38] <roasted> doesnt seem as if ubuntu has alt F2 functionality anymore to restart the window manager??
[15:38] <roasted> for run program"
[15:39] <rigved> roasted: Alt+F2 has been integrated into the dash.
[15:47] <roasted> rigved, what do you mean the dash? I'm in gnome shell
[15:49] <rigved> roasted: oh. sorry my mistake. i was talking about unity.
[15:49] <roasted> rigved, yeah... no unity here :P
[15:49] <roasted> although unity is mighty nice this time around, but still quite clunky for my liking
[15:50] <roasted> its nice having both gtk3 based, I can swap between both
[15:50] <roasted> so how would I do that now? the alt f2 for gs?
[15:53] <freedo> hi
[15:53] <freedo> i have gstreamer-ffmpeg and gstreamer-ugly installed but i still cannot play m4b files with aac audio
[15:53] <freedo> what can i do about that?
[15:54] <freedo> ps: i'm using banshee
[15:54] <roasted> hmmm
[15:54] <roasted> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/845653
[15:54] <roasted> hope this obvious (yet easy) thing gets fixed
[15:54] <roasted> alt f2 shouldn't have been messed with
[15:55] <roasted> and yet somehow alt f2 still doesnt work even though I just bound it
[15:55] <roasted> nice
[15:56] <roasted> lunch time! thanks guys
[16:30] <rajeshj>  hi i have installed ubuntu 11.10 and finding difficulties to add my programs on the launch short cut
[16:31] <rajeshj> on launch pad
[16:31] <rajeshj> that is what we see at the left pane
[16:32] <rajeshj> can someone help me please
[16:33] <rajeshj> any body there?
[16:33] <ikonia> not at the moment, quiet
[16:36] <jtaylor> rajeshj: start your application, then it shouldshow up on the launcher, rightclick -> keep in launcher to gkeep it there
[16:37] <rajeshj> i am seeing only eclise  and quit options only
[16:38] <rajeshj> sorry typo mistake eclipse
[16:38] <rajeshj> let me tell you what is my requirement
[16:39] <rajeshj> i have my version eclipse source jars which i have extracted to /opt/eclipse
[16:39] <rajeshj> i need to add an icon to launcher for this program i.e., /opt/eclipse/eclipse
[16:40] <jtaylor> I think you need to add a .desktop file for that
[16:40] <jtaylor> copy some template from /usr/share/applications, modifiy it and install it with desktop-file-install
[16:41] <rajeshj> ok let me try sir
[16:41] <jtaylor> or place it in .local/share/applications if you ahve no admin rights
[16:46] <rajeshj> sir it worked
[16:46] <rajeshj> i have sudo access
[16:47] <rajeshj> thanks alot for your help
[17:33] <dooglus> I reinstalled ubuntu and kept my /home partition.  How do I now add my user back and have it use my existing home folder?
[17:39] <koud> by default homefolder has same name as the user
[17:43] <dooglus> I think I found out: "sudo addgroup --gid 1010 chris" then "sudo adduser --no-create-home --uid 1010 --in-group chris chris"
[17:45] <tomodachi> dooglus: sounds advanced
[17:45] <tomodachi> id just creat the user again, and manually copy over the stuff from the old home I wanted.
[17:45] <yofel> he would still have to reown the files if his UID changed
[17:45] <tomodachi> some folders with . in front of them you might not want to copy since they can containsettings you no longer wish
[17:46] <tomodachi> yes changing permissions, but thats a lot shorter command me thinks
[17:46] <dooglus> tomodachi: you'd get a different userid and groupid, and it would be a pain to get everything how it was before
[17:47] <dooglus> tomodachi: also, the home folder was encrypted with the ecryptfs stuff, so I wouldn't want to mess with individual files
[17:47] <dooglus> is it safe to update and reboot now?
[17:47] <dooglus> I heard tell of a 'bad update' recently
[17:48] <dooglus> hmm - I waited 30 seconds and nobody spoke up - what could possibly go wrong??? ;)  brb
[17:50] <tomodachi> dooglus: but the username is the same as the foldername i presume, you dont need to know the uiser gid then.
[17:51] <tomodachi> simply put chown username:username /home/username
[17:51] <tomodachi> -R
[17:51] <dooglus> tomodachi: that would change all the files inside too.  some are owned by root
[17:53] <dooglus> updating and rebooting seemed to work
[17:56] <FoolishOwl> During the upgrade, I was prompted whether to replace /etc/network/interfaces. I accidentally clicked to keep the existing version. How can I force the replacement?
[17:59] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: I can show you mine and you can copy it over yours?
[17:59] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: or you may find there's a /etc/network/interfaces.new or some such that it left there
[18:00] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: the default one has 3 lines: "auto lo"  "iface lo inet loopback"  ""
[18:00] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: remove the double quotes
[18:01] <FoolishOwl> Huh. I'd tried previewing the changes, and I thought there was something else.
[18:01] <FoolishOwl> Thanks, anyway.
[18:05] <k4r1m> anyone having weird dependencie issues with beta 2?
[18:07] <dooglus> k4r1m: I don't think so.  what's the problem?
[18:07] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: that stuff is done by NetworkManager these days, so the file is pretty empty
[18:08] <FoolishOwl> Yes, that's true. I was surprised to see a change.
[18:09] <FoolishOwl> It paused during the first boot for "network configuration", which apparently failed.
[18:09] <k4r1m> dooglus: I can't install a lot of packages… just a sec let me check the my logs
[18:10] <FoolishOwl> Looks okay now, though.
[18:12] <k4r1m> one example is when I was trying to install flashrom which depends on a few libs one of them being libftdi1 which is a core package but I don't have it and I can't get it from apt.. had to install it manually
[18:13] <k4r1m> another example is chromium-codecs-ffmpeg
[18:14] <k4r1m> while installing chromium… no where to be found
[18:21] <darthanubis> k4r1m: no issues, kubuntu beta2
[18:23] <thoeger> Hey folks; I cannot get Unity to run, only UNity2d. I get the error message containing the line : Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0". My Unity and compiz workd fine in Natty. Any help as to how I can troubleshoot?
[18:30] <urlin2u> thoeger, was this a upgrade or fresh install, and what s the grpahic chip
[18:32] <thoeger> urlin2u, sorry should have said. Upgrade from Natty, intel graphics chip
[18:33] <urlin2u> thoeger, have yo looked on additional drivers to see if one is available.
[18:33] <urlin2u> you
[18:33] <urlin2u> thoeger, a upgrade will not carry any drivers if there was a setup you made in natty.
[18:33] <dooglus> FoolishOwl: I upgraded and couldn't get it to boot - it hung waiting for 'network configuration' too.  I ended up installing from scratch
[18:34] <FoolishOwl> Huh. It eventually went ahead and finished booting.
[18:34] <dooglus> k4r1m: chromium-codecs-ffmpeg is in 'universe', which you may not have enabled?
[18:35] <dooglus> !info chromium-codecs-ffmpeg
[18:35] <k4r1m> it's enabled but I think it was my source
[18:35] <dooglus> ok
[18:35] <k4r1m> I was using the "fastest" source and I think that was the problem
[18:35] <k4r1m> it's all good now thanks
[18:35] <dooglus> here's a weird one: since I upgraded my escape key and all 6 odd-numbered function keys have stopped working
[18:36] <thoeger> urlin2u, I have dual graphics card (intel and nvidia) on my lappy, but disabled the nvidia one cpmpletely because the linux kernel cannot really deal with dynamic switching of graph chips anyway... There is a proprietary driver for the NVidia chip that I already have installed, but it doesn't really matter as I'm running the intel chip...
[18:37] <edgy> Hi, I just bought a new laptop with ati 6770M and Intel graphics, installed fglrx and now $ fglrxinfo
[18:37] <edgy> X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[18:37] <edgy> many programs crashes. what's the recommended way to proceed?
[18:38] <thoeger> Wa rather thinking . is there any commands to check what card I am using, or see if I can manually enable the correct xorg extensions, or something?
[18:38] <thoeger> urlin2u, Was rather thinking . is there any commands to check what card I am using, or see if I can manually enable the correct xorg extensions, or something?
[18:39] <penguin42> thoeger: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what X thinks it's doing
[18:39] <urlin2u> thoeger, one your using not sure, is this set up like it was in natty with the nvidia disabled
[18:40] <thoeger> penguin42, Anything specific to look for? It's a quite long file...
[18:40] <thoeger> urlin2u, not sure I understand you there?
[18:40] <penguin42> thoeger: If you put it into a pastebin I'll have a look
[18:40] <xgt001> hello guys i reported this bug in Ubuntu 11.10 can anyone help me mark Oneiric as the affected project https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/858406
[18:41] <urlin2u> thoeger, when you had the natty working 3d was the nvidia disabled?
[18:42] <thoeger> urlin2u, yep, running just on the Intel card
[18:42] <thoeger> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/Cv9sH6XN
[18:42] <yofel> xgt001: it's filed against 'Ubuntu', so without a release task it's tracked against the devel release, which currently is oneiric
[18:43] <penguin42> thoeger: It says (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[18:43] <penguin42> thoeger: It sounds like you still have bits of the Nvidia drivers hanging around on your install
[18:43] <yofel> yay, intel driver with nvidia liblgx ^^
[18:43] <yofel> *libglx
[18:43] <xgt001> yofel: so it will be tested against Oneiric right? :) in natty i dint face this issue
[18:44] <yofel> xgt001: what would be more important is to assign it to the right package. I'm not sure either though what's the correct one
[18:45] <xgt001> yofel: me too... is it fglrx or unity or xorg i am not sure... :( how to know whats causing it?
[18:47] <urlin2u> thoeger, there are two graphic driver PPA's xswat and xorg-edgers/ppa  the first is more stable you might look to see if theses help the sandybridge needs a bit of tweaking I believe.
[18:48] <thoeger> penguin42, yeah drivers there are... Do they interfere with the intel drivers? And can I make sure it picks the right ones?
[18:48] <penguin42> thoeger: Looks like it
[18:49] <penguin42> thoeger: I don't think the Nvidia stuff is as clean as just a driver, they replace other bits as well and get in the way
[18:49] <thoeger> penguin42, ahaaa... So are you saying fresh install here?
[18:50] <penguin42> thoeger: If you installed it using the Ubuntu hardware drivers/jockey system that uninstall it in the same way - if not you're going to either have to track it down or reinstall
[18:50] <thoeger> nvidia drivers?
[18:50] <penguin42> yeh
[18:52] <thoeger> let's see if I dare ;-)
[18:52] <thoeger> Is there any command for me to check that I am indeed using the INTEL card?
[18:53] <thoeger> The gnome settings system info tab is blank under "graphics"...
[18:54] <penguin42> thoeger: The problem is that you've actually got the intel driver but bits of the nivdia package as well
[18:59] <edgy> penguin42: are you talking to me?
[18:59] <penguin42> edgy: No!
[19:00] <edgy> penguin42: you are trying to help someone else in x issues related to ati?
[19:00] <edgy> penguin42: I am facing the same problem almost
[19:00] <penguin42> edgy: I'm helping thoeger in X issues relating to Intel and Nvidia
[19:01] <edgy> penguin42: I have Intel and ATI and in desperate need for help, can you lend a hand, please?
[19:01] <thoeger> penguin42, yeah I get it... So should I uninstall the proprietary NVidia drivers, then reinstall the intel ones? Or...=
[19:01] <thoeger> ?
[19:02] <penguin42> thoeger: First uninstall the Nvidia drivers, if you're lucky that will do the trick; if not then it's some other part of X that needs reinstalling - but I'm not exactly sure which bit - it's not likely it's actually the Intel drivers itself
[19:02] <penguin42> edgy: OK I'll bite what exactly is your problem - if you're quick
[19:04] <edgy> penguin42: is this hybrid supported?
[19:04] <edgy> penguin42: should I install fglrx or just radeon?
[19:04] <edgy> penguin42: how can I tell which card is working? I am completely new to this?
[19:04] <edgy> s/?/.
[19:04] <penguin42> edgy: Well what do you mean by hybrid - I don't think dynamically switching is - but tell me exactly what you've done - is this a laptop that has both?
[19:05] <edgy> penguin42: yes, it's a dv6-1685ex with ati and intel
[19:06] <edgy> penguin42: I just installed the ati driver and I get errors like $ glxinfo
[19:06] <edgy> name of display: :0
[19:06] <edgy> X Error of failed request:  BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
[19:06] <penguin42> edgy: OK, so pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:06] <penguin42> edgy: It sounds a similar problem
[19:07] <edgy> penguin42: I don't care about dynamic switching, I just want my ati card to work
[19:09] <edgy> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/wwBXJSpQ
[19:09] <penguin42> edgy: And how exactly does it fail - does X start?
[19:10] <edgy> penguin42: yes, X starts well but if I launch cheese e.g I get Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'cheese' received an X Window System error.
[19:10] <edgy> penguin42: also glxinfo and fglrxinfo both gives errors
[19:10] <penguin42> edgy: So your error is [   234.170] (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols.
[19:11] <edgy> penguin42: yes
[19:11] <edgy> penguin42: at least this is what X thinks the error ;)
[19:12] <edgy> penguin42: if I launched catalyst I get: There was a problem initializing Catalyst Control Center Linux edition.  It could be caused by the following.
[19:12] <edgy> No AMD graphics driver is installed, or the AMD driver is not functioning properly.
[19:12] <edgy> Please install the AMD driver appropriate for you AMD hardware, or configure using aticonfig.
[19:12] <penguin42> edgy: OK, go back - what did you do so far?
[19:14] <edgy> penguin42: I installed oneiric, installed the fglrx-amdcccle and here I am
[19:14] <penguin42> edgy: Do you know which radeon card you've got, and how exactly did you install fglrx ?
[19:15] <edgy> penguin42: I have radeon 6770M and installed it via apt-get install fglrx-amdcccle
[19:17] <edgy> penguin42: jockey shows two options, ATI Fire GL and ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver, the one installed is the second
[19:17] <penguin42> edgy: Ah, I think amdcccle is just the control centre
[19:17] <edgy> penguin42: yes and it installed fglrx as a dependency if I can remeber properly
[19:17] <dooglus> how do I turn off 'focus follows mouse'?  It doesn't seem to work well with unity
[19:17] <penguin42> edgy: Let jockey install the driver and see what happens
[19:18] <edgy> penguin42: ok I will remove and install, do I need a reboot in between?
[19:18] <penguin42> edgy:  Probably best
[19:18] <edgy> penguin42: I will reboot now and if I didn't come then a disaster happened. Wish me luck
[19:20] <thiebaude> anyone having problems dropping an icon into the launcher?
[19:23] <thiebaude> i can put icons in there except the xchat icon, hmm
[19:24] <thoeger> penguin42, Yay! Simply removing the proprietary NVidia drivers and rebooting made it all work, yay!
[19:24] <thoeger> penguin42, thanks a lot!
[19:24] <penguin42> thoeger: No problem - the tip is always to look for lines with EE in the Xorg.0.log
[19:25] <g30> they fix ubuntu yet? 32 bit stuff? muliarch?
[19:25] <thoeger> g30, what are you thinking of?
[19:25] <penguin42> g3o: Multiarch works now!
[19:25] <thoeger> Ah OK
[19:30] <nilzie> is it better to to download if i want to try the beta: the daily image or the beta 2 one?
[19:30] <IdleOne> either should be fine.
[19:30] <nilzie> thanks
[19:32] <nilzie> IdleOne: if i dont want unity, and if i want gnome 3 shell instead, is there such a version to download?
[19:33] <IdleOne> !notunity
[19:36] <trism> might be better to suggest installing gnome-session-fallback instead of gnome-panel since the xsession is only a recommend of gnome-panel, but gnome-panel is a dep of gnome-session-fallback
[19:36] <jbicha> but recommends are installed by default
[19:37] <trism> true, but it could be installed with --no-install-recommends (was just a thought)
[19:40] <jbicha> gnome-panel is now a recommends of gnome-shell too since it's gshell's fallback
[19:41] <Siekacz> hi all
[19:42] <jcook_5xdata> any one know how to install wireless backport on 11.10
[19:42]  * Siekacz has a serious problem with fglrx - after installation aticonfig --initial shows: aticonfig: No supported adapters detected
[19:43] <Siekacz> radeon 6630M
[19:43] <Siekacz> if it is important, i have Dell vostro 3450
[19:44] <OerHeks> jcook_5xdata, my guess is sudo apt-get install linux-backports-modules-wireless-oneiric-generic ?
[19:44] <Siekacz> of course drivers doesn't work, nor switching using switchlibGL/glx
[19:44] <jcook_5xdata> hey that what I thought I try did not find any
[19:45] <jcook_5xdata> Just did the  last update and it vroke my wireless
[19:47] <OerHeks> i see
[19:48] <Siekacz> jcook_5xdata: isn't your problem related to recent (fixed) bug in oneiric?
[19:49] <Siekacz> someone forgot to include some library to some package and network management was completely broken
[19:50] <jcook_5xdata> Not sure???
[19:51] <Siekacz> try to connect to web using eth cable and ifconfig :)
[19:51] <Siekacz> and do update
[19:51] <Siekacz> and switch servers to main
[19:52] <jcook_5xdata> not sure how to switch server to main
[19:52] <Siekacz> Software sources
[19:52] <Siekacz> :_
[19:52] <Siekacz> :)
[19:52] <Siekacz> and now
[19:53] <Siekacz> has anyone any experience with fglrx and oneiric?
[19:53] <Siekacz> opensource drivers works almost awesome
[19:53] <jcook_5xdata> I can not boot to the desktop once the wireless kick in the dsktop crashes
[19:53] <Siekacz> but it burns my battery in  1;30h
[19:54] <jcook_5xdata> I am in recovery (root)
[19:54] <Siekacz> so
[19:54] <Siekacz> conenct to the internet using cable
[19:54] <Siekacz> and do manual update and upgrade
[19:54] <jcook_5xdata> I just did none to upgrade
[19:55] <Siekacz> not good
[19:55] <Siekacz> what abiut adding a new user?
[19:56] <bindi> why is there no classic gnome theme anymore? forcing unity is a bad idea
[19:56] <jcook_5xdata> nope I can reinstall it and it will work till I upgrade or I can back to natty till it sorted out. Or I can install windows 7 make on :P lol
[19:57] <Siekacz> bindi: because GNOME 2 is deprecated?
[19:58] <Siekacz> jcook_5xdata: so back to natty is currently the best idea
[19:58] <jcook_5xdata> bindi, try XFCE if you like that desktop leyout it really good
[19:58] <bindi> Siekacz: gnome 3 without the shell then..?
[19:59] <Siekacz> bindi: have you evere used "fallback mode"?
[19:59] <bindi> Siekacz: what's that?
[19:59] <Siekacz> gnome-panel in gtk3 version
[19:59] <bindi> how do I get that
[19:59] <jcook_5xdata> yea, now that I been using 11.10. It will hurt :(
[19:59] <bindi> login screen gives me ubuntu and ubuntu 2d as options
[20:00] <jcook_5xdata> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell gnome-panel
[20:00] <bindi> gnome-shell I do not like either
[20:00] <bindi> these new "innovative" designs have no idea of usability
[20:00] <jcook_5xdata> you need it for gnome-panel
[20:00] <bindi> right
[20:01] <jcook_5xdata> when it all install you will have gnome fall back and another one 2d i think choose fall back
[20:02] <bindi> yep, gnome classic
[20:02] <jcook_5xdata> sorry, yup
[20:03] <bindi> still said it's in fallback mode
[20:03] <bindi> unable to edit any panel settings :<
[20:03] <IdleOne> try gnome-tweak-tool
[20:04] <IdleOne> that might let you do what you want.
[20:04] <bindi> i mean all the add to panel stuff
[20:07] <trism> bindi: alt+right-click
[20:07] <bindi> >.<
[20:07] <bindi> right
[20:08] <bindi> removed top panel and everything went nuts :D
[20:09] <mongy> its a bit much when you need a tweak tool to adjust fonts :(
[20:11] <nilzie> mongy: agreed but i hope as gnome 3 matures it will include such a thing by default
[20:12] <nilzie> mongy: you can do it without the tweak tool by editing settings files
[20:12] <mongy> its a bit much when you need {insert lots of work} to adjust fonts :(
[20:12] <mongy> :)
[20:17] <bjsnider> it's exactly the same amount of work required in gnome 2
[20:25] <krnlyng> hi, i just tried to upgrade my system and now it won't boot (as in blackscreen and modemmanager fails to start (probably other things too but thats what i see in dmesg)) some packages are marked as half-install (i don't know why, update-manager -d did not report any error) so i tried dpkg-reconfigure -a but it quits with the message: "dpkg-maintscript-helper: error: couldn't identify the package" how do i determine which package th
[20:25] <krnlyng> or better... how do i repair my system^^?
[20:26] <krnlyng> getting networking to run would also be nice so i could try some apt-get stuff...
[20:30] <krnlyng> any ideas would be really appreciated
[20:30] <krnlyng> or workarounds...
[20:35] <mongy> you right click desktop, choose fonts and change them.. how is installing a seperate app with its gnome-shell and other deps, or using a gconf or whatever style way the same as that?
[20:39] <Siekacz> hi
[20:40] <Siekacz> installed fglrx again
[20:40] <Siekacz> whole system to be reinstalled
[20:44] <Siekacz> any solution?
[20:44] <Roasted> GS is so beautiful with 11.10.
[20:44] <Roasted> not gonna lie
[20:45] <mongy> gs?
[20:45] <Roasted> gnome shell
[20:45] <mongy> ah
[20:45] <mongy> not a fan really
[20:45] <Roasted> unity is kinda nice too
[20:45] <Roasted> it's like. semi usable now?
[20:45] <Roasted> I dig it.
[20:51] <DERMANN> Should i stay with 11.04 until 11.10 is released and not to use usb 3.0 or should i install ppa kernel in 11.04 or what
[20:52] <mongy> ?
[20:52] <mongy> I thought usb3.0 was already in kernel
[20:52] <DERMANN> yes but not drivers
[20:52] <DERMANN> s
[20:52] <DERMANN> or i do not know
[20:53] <mongy> well, I would install 11.10 regardless, as its a 1000% improvement over 11.04
[20:53] <mongy> if you're a compiz freak like me anyway :)
[20:54] <Peter_Bilt> tell me someone how to disable the 3d stuff?
[20:54] <Peter_Bilt> i can't find anything to disable the unuty 3d stuff
[20:54] <jbicha> Peter_Bilt: log out and choose Unity 2D when you login
[20:55] <jbicha> use the gear button next to your name on the login screen
[20:55] <Roasted> I'm hesitant to put 11.10 on my desktop
[20:55] <Roasted> asI rely on it heavily
[20:55] <Roasted> but so far 11.10 on my atom netbook has been beautiful
[20:55] <DERMANN> Can i already install Beta 2?
[20:55] <Roasted> but then again I never did an ubuntu install with an existing mdadm array, but IA ssume if I fire up ubuntu 11.10 and install mdadm I'd be good
[20:55] <Roasted> hey question while we're talking about the beta of 11.10
[20:56] <Roasted> its on my laptop now - when 11.10 is finalized, can I run a command to bring me to final?
[20:56] <DERMANN> Can i upgrade it fo final or should  i reinstall tehn
[20:56] <jbicha> !final
[20:56] <DERMANN> ok
[20:56] <DERMANN> Can i already install Beta 2?
[20:56] <Roasted> thanks jbicha
[20:56] <Siekacz> noone wants to help with fglrx?
[20:56] <Peter_Bilt> roasted: yes some monks do not add mdadm as default for unknow reasons
[20:57] <jbicha> DERMANN: yes, beta 2 is installable but it's beta so if you don't know how to fix your computer if things go wrong, you should wait a few weeks
[20:57] <Roasted> Peter_Bilt, well hey, if instalilng mdadm makes my array instantly accessible, no big deal for me :P
[20:57] <DERMANN> ibicha: did you missunderstand me ?
[20:57] <Peter_Bilt> i think i got still a ton of problems with dpkg fsync is extremly slow, and xorg is unstable on sandy
[20:57] <hasenj> fglrx ..
[20:58] <hasenj> I use the open source driver
[20:58] <DERMANN> DERMANN: i meant is it usuable or is it very crap
[20:58] <DERMANN> i know that it is installable
[20:58] <jbicha> DERMANN: it's usable but it still has bugs that are being fixed
[20:58] <DERMANN> ahhh do you meant that
[20:58] <DERMANN> by saying it is instalable
[20:59] <DERMANN> ahhh do you meant that
[20:59] <DERMANN> by saying it is instalable
[20:59] <jbicha> Ubuntu 11.10 is nice & works pretty well but I'm not going to recommend average people use a beta OS that's still being worked on
[20:59] <Siekacz> hasenj, opensource driver is useless for my laptop
[20:59] <DERMANN> yes i know
[20:59] <DERMANN> ahhh do you meant that
[20:59] <DERMANN> yes i know
[20:59] <DERMANN> by saying it is instalable
[20:59] <Siekacz>  1:30 of battery life
[21:00] <jbicha> DERMANN: stop repeating yourself
[21:00] <hasenj> Siekacz, why? for me it was the other way around. the closed driver was half-assed
[21:00] <h00k> DERMANN: are you repeatedly asking a question, or making a statement?
[21:00] <Roasted> I would think 11.10 might be a good candidate for my HTPC I'm setting up... not like it'll get used THAT hard :P
[21:00] <DERMANN> QUESTION
[21:00] <DERMANN> ahhh do you meant that??
[21:00] <DERMANN> by saying it is instalable?? jbicha
[21:00] <h00k> It is installable.
[21:00] <Siekacz> hasenj, no power management and no games on it
[21:01] <DERMANN> jbicha: you said:
[21:01] <DERMANN> [20:57] <jbicha> DERMANN: yes, beta 2 is installable but it's beta so if you don't know how to fix your computer if things go wrong, you should wait a few weeks
[21:01] <DERMANN> do you mean installable = usuablew
[21:01] <h00k> It does install, but you may run into usability issues at it is a beta.
[21:01] <mongy> I find beta2 now quite ok to use
[21:01] <jbicha> DERMANN: stop asking the same question over and over, I already answered it by saying Ubuntu 11.10 works pretty well
[21:03] <Siekacz> hasenj, anyway i want to get back to the opensource driver
[21:03] <Siekacz> and even if i uninstall fglrx with purge
[21:03] <Siekacz> it still looks for libGL.so
[21:04] <hasenj> Siekacz, hm, I'm no expert on that .. I just followed the wiki page for completely removing it
[21:04] <hasenj> it was a bit weird
[21:04] <hasenj> but i ran the commands a few times
[21:04] <hasenj> and somehow it got purged completely
[21:04] <hasenj> i had to restart at least once ..
[21:04] <Siekacz>  how?
[21:05] <hasenj> I don't remember .. it was quite a long time
[21:05] <hasenj> but do you know the wiki page I'm talking about?
[21:05] <jbicha> after changing your graphics driver you need to restart or at least restart X
[21:06] <Siekacz> yes i know
[21:06] <Siekacz> but even after rebooting it's broken
[21:06] <hasenj> maybe try to run the commands again after rebooting
[21:07] <iceroot> i dont know exactly what is causing this apt-get error. maybe you can have a look so that i can create a bug about the correct package http://pastebin.com/b9apqEwu  i treid to translate the important parts from german into english. also i reinstalled python-virtkey and removed it after, no error
[21:08] <Siekacz> hasenj, i dont know this wiki page
[21:08] <hasenj> Siekacz, gimme a sec
[21:08] <Siekacz> ok
[21:09] <Siekacz> i have switchable graphics
[21:13] <hasenj> Siekacz .. (well, he left) .. I think this was the wiki page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/FglrxInteferesWithRadeonDriver#Problem:%20%20Need%20to%20fully%20remove%20-fglrx%20and%20reinstall%20-ati%20from%20scratch
[21:14] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/858507 thats the one i have created for the paste i did some minutes ago
[21:22] <Siekacz> ok
[21:23] <Siekacz> now even unity 2D dowsn't even run
[21:23] <Siekacz> second solution
[21:23] <Siekacz> lets try
[21:23] <Siekacz> :)
[21:31] <dooglus> every time I log in, I get a robot voice say "welcome to orca".  how can I stop that?
[21:33] <IdleOne> go to orca settings and disable from starting on boot
[21:35] <Siekacz> hasenj: thaks! it worked :)
[21:35] <Siekacz> now i'm back to power-hungry radeon driver
[21:36] <Siekacz> but i have workind 3D acceleration
[21:37] <Siekacz> so
[21:37] <Siekacz> fglrx has to be fixed before Ubuntu 11.10 release
[21:39] <hasenj> Siekacz, cool! you're welcome
[21:40] <Siekacz> as i thought the've overwritten some symlinks
[21:40] <Siekacz> and reinstallation deosn't revert them back to the default value
[21:41] <daniele> hello
[21:41] <Siekacz> hi
[21:41] <daniele> i have a problem with 11.10 nvidia gfx card gt540
[21:41] <Siekacz> another one :D
[21:41] <daniele> no compiz effects are loading
[21:41] <daniele> gnome-shell dropping to default gnome
[21:42] <Siekacz> first question
[21:42] <Siekacz> nouveau or nv?
[21:42] <daniele> nvidia drivers correctly loading with joker
[21:42] <Siekacz> ok
[21:42] <Siekacz> so
[21:42] <mongy> having trouble linking contacts in empathy, anyone else/
[21:42] <Siekacz> go to the settings
[21:42] <Siekacz> system settiongs of course
[21:42] <daniele> mongy, empathy has missing certificates.... does even here
[21:43] <daniele> Siekacz, ok
[21:43] <mongy> I put a tick in the other account for that user, and link, and, nothing....
[21:43] <Siekacz> daniele: system information
[21:43] <Siekacz> graphics
[21:43] <daniele> Siekacz, nothing there
[21:44] <Siekacz> and turn off forced fallback mode
[21:44] <daniele> Siekacz, there is nothing there to turn off
[21:44] <Siekacz> what?
[21:44] <daniele> says driver
[21:44] <daniele> and nothing else
[21:45] <Siekacz> ok
[21:45] <Siekacz> dunno what happened
[21:45] <daniele> loading the nvidia settings says to run sudo nvidia-xconfig... so i did that but after booting freezez up before lightdm
[21:46] <Siekacz> but now i'm using my intel HD :)
[21:46] <daniele> on intel is  ok
[21:46] <Siekacz> no it's not ok
[21:46] <Siekacz> because my vostro is still hot
[21:47] <Siekacz> fan is running on it's full speed
[21:47] <daniele> that is ok here
[21:50] <daniele> so noone knows ?
[21:51] <Siekacz> daniele: it seems that gnome shell is incompatibile with Gs
[21:53] <daniele> cool
[21:57] <g30> hows oneiric comeing along?
[21:57] <g30> any idea?
[21:58] <g30> gnome 3 has to be the worst gui ever
[21:58] <g30> ]imo
[22:00] <mongy> g30, mine too
[22:04] <g30> ha im back lol
[22:04] <g30> HI all
[22:05] <g30> .
[22:05] <g30> I love linux
[22:06] <g30> Its the best OS
[22:09] <bjsnider> Siekacz, gnome-shell is incompatible with what?
[22:09] <Siekacz> maybe nvidia dviver?
[22:09] <bjsnider> wrong
[22:11] <g30> nvidia works perfect with gnome
[22:11] <Siekacz> not always
[22:11] <bjsnider> nvidia can easily drive any of the composited desktops
[22:11] <g30> sure it does
[22:11] <g30> not only do you have generic but nvidia actually suppports linux
[22:11] <g30> and they have there own drivers for it
[22:11] <g30> 1 min
[22:12] <Siekacz> ok
[22:12] <Siekacz> dunno what happened
[22:12] <Siekacz> but now im using my intel hd graphics
[22:12] <Siekacz> but i want fglrx with radeon!
[22:13] <bjsnider> if that's a hyrib laptop, that technology is not well-supported in linux
[22:13] <Siekacz> yup
[22:13] <Siekacz> it's a hybrid
[22:13] <g30> I love linux did I say that?
[22:13] <bjsnider> you will have to permanently switch the radeon chip on in the bios
[22:13] <Siekacz> i wanted fglrx
[22:14] <Siekacz> and im with intel :)
[22:14] <g30> Siek you have problem with Graphics card?
[22:14] <Siekacz> bjsnider: i have UFI
[22:14] <Siekacz> *EFI
[22:14] <Siekacz> do there is no option like that
[22:14] <bjsnider> that's fine, there are settings you can change in it
[22:14] <Siekacz> no, i've checked
[22:15] <bjsnider> well, that's unfortunate
[22:15] <Siekacz> i can only turn on/of some peripherials like camera, fingerprint reader
[22:15] <Siekacz> it's a new dell vostro 3450
[22:16] <g30> siekacz what version ubuntu you run?
[22:16] <bjsnider> hybrid is really trendyy right now, and it will take linux awhile to catch up
[22:16] <Siekacz> g30: think, why i'm here?
[22:16] <g30> thats your problem
[22:16] <Siekacz> i have 11.10 installed on my lappie
[22:16] <g30> your runnning a fake debian, just get Debian from debian or a real linux distro like SUSE?
[22:17] <g30> I am just being honest
[22:17] <g30> please dont be mad
[22:18] <g30> Siekacz what kind of video card are you haveing trouble with?
[22:18] <Siekacz> radeon 6630M
[22:18] <g30> there is no genereic driver?
[22:19] <Siekacz> yes there is
[22:19] <Siekacz> but it eats my battery in 1:30
[22:19] <g30> chipset above r600?
[22:20] <Siekacz> definately :)
[22:20] <g30> ati makes a driver for debian your in luck as you can use it on ubuntu
[22:20] <g30> and vice versa
[22:20] <g30> http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
[22:21] <g30> :)
[22:21] <penguin42> don't use the debian instructions though
[22:21] <Siekacz> it's the same
[22:21] <Siekacz> :)
[22:22] <penguin42> Ubuntu has a thing called Jockey to do it for you
[22:22] <Siekacz> i've been using ubuntu since 7.10, i'm not stupid ;)
[22:22] <g30> lol
[22:22] <g30> 7.20 interesting
[22:22] <g30> 11.10
[22:22] <g30> just come out
[22:22] <penguin42> we have lots of people on here who get into a mess after not using jockey
[22:23] <Siekacz> penguin42: i've just used it
[22:23] <bjsnider> it won't work because of the gpu switching issue
[22:23] <Siekacz> and it broke everything completely
[22:23] <Siekacz> i could only run unity 2d
[22:23] <Siekacz> and the libGL.so was still missing
[22:23] <g30> 11.10 many trouble
[22:23] <g30> compiz
[22:23] <Siekacz> I bet it is related to the multiarch support
[22:24] <g30> that to
[22:24] <g30> 11.10 ruined after update hope soon to fix when release
[22:25] <g30> I like unity unlike most people
[22:25] <g30> especially in 11.10
[22:26] <penguin42> g30: It's getting less buggy with age
[22:26] <g30> I understand and 11.10 much better with lightdm
[22:26] <g30> imps are cool
[22:27] <penguin42> yeh the new greeter used with lightdm is very pretty
[22:27] <Siekacz> i think 11.10 can be a good relese
[22:27] <Siekacz> but they need more time to polish
[22:27] <g30> still not much works besides the basics just like in 11.4
[22:27] <Siekacz> because there are so many incompatibilies!
[22:27] <g30> I hope it will be good for beginer
[22:27] <g30> very clean
[22:28] <penguin42> the graphics drivers normally cause problems up before release
[22:28] <Siekacz> yup
[22:28] <g30> Actually they ran great atleast for me
[22:28] <g30> on 11.10 just using ccsm on 11.4 messed all up
[22:28] <Siekacz> Unity is for computer users
[22:29] <g30> unity is great a lot bettter in 11.10 more uniformed n my opinion
[22:29] <Siekacz> not bored nerds who think that they are wizards, knowing Hidden Knowledge for Chosen about using linux :)
[22:29] <g30> i prefer gnome 2 myself lol
[22:29] <g30> but it looks nice the thing is will it work with apps?
[22:29] <Siekacz> gnome 2 is a code rubbish
[22:30] <Siekacz> slow, buggy, inconsistent
[22:30] <g30> ever try openshot? or compiz settings with unity?
[22:30] <g30> what is? gnome 2?
[22:30] <Siekacz> i'm prod of canonical developers
[22:30] <Siekacz> *proud
[22:30] <g30> they make a preety gui
[22:30] <Siekacz> g30: there is a lot of rubbish in the GNOME 2/GTK2 stack
[22:30] <g30> yea?
[22:31] <g30> like?
[22:31] <Siekacz> yeah
[22:31] <Siekacz> like
[22:31] <Siekacz> gnome panels applets
[22:31] <g30> is great
[22:31] <Siekacz> which crash..
[22:31] <g30> lol
[22:31] <g30> never not once
[22:31] <Siekacz> chenge their position
[22:31] <g30> in ubuntu yes
[22:31] <g30> other no
[22:31] <Siekacz> GNOME 2 was a huge recycle bin
[22:32] <g30> HA!
[22:32] <Siekacz> which now  was thrown away
[22:32] <Siekacz> and they are doing it like APple/MS
[22:32] <g30> 2.32 is the best gnome
[22:32] <Siekacz> designed, consistent, for users
[22:32] <Siekacz> goddamn
[22:32] <g30> gnome 3 no good
[22:32] <Siekacz> ok
[22:33] <g30> you really have trouble with gnome 2?
[22:33] <Siekacz> i don't have any additional forces for arguing about that
[22:33] <Siekacz> tonight
[22:33] <g30> are you talking about gnome on ubuntu?
[22:33] <Siekacz> g30: GNOME 2 was a usability and design crap
[22:33] <g30> because thats different from say on opensuse
[22:34] <g30> well i respect your opinion but disagree
[22:34] <g30> gnome 2.32 is best most stable gui out
[22:34] <g30> kde is nice to plasma
[22:34] <Siekacz> well, i like KDE technically
[22:34] <Siekacz> it's grat
[22:34] <Siekacz> *great
[22:35] <Siekacz> but the design in my  ompinion sucks
[22:35] <g30> yes preety and functional
[22:35] <Siekacz> it's still a DE for nerds
[22:35] <g30> kde 4? lol
[22:35] <Siekacz> yup
[22:35] <Siekacz> i want to change desktop theme
[22:35] <Siekacz> so
[22:35] <Siekacz> i need to
[22:35] <Arnold> Not quite X11 friendly either. Most users who tried the Windows version out said it's performing much better than on Linux.
[22:36] <Siekacz> change: icons, plasma style, widget style, screensaver, walpaper, and even fonts sepsrstely
[22:36] <g30> i respectfully submit try it out on something other than ubuntu nothing against ubuntu but if you want to run say kde use opensuse
[22:36] <g30> best implimentation of kde in my opinion
[22:36] <Siekacz> g30: I was a KDE 4 fan
[22:37] <Siekacz> until 4.4
[22:37] <g30> I dont use it myself dont like it much to many bells and whistles
[22:37] <Siekacz> mee to
[22:37] <Siekacz> *me too
[22:37] <Siekacz> i just want clean, easy, and fast dektop
[22:38] <g30> gnome 2.32 lol
[22:38] <Siekacz> not
[22:38] <g30> = lightning
[22:38] <Siekacz> it's not fast
[22:38] <g30> sure it is
[22:38] <Siekacz> nope
[22:38] <g30>  are you talking on ubuntu?
[22:38] <Siekacz> it has a LOT of unused libraries
[22:38] <jtaylor> I also wouldn't call gnome 2 fast
[22:38] <g30> a lot faster than kde
[22:38] <jtaylor> its fine with modern hardware but not with older
[22:38] <g30> on any distro
[22:38] <g30> i agree with that
[22:39] <Siekacz> jtaylor: with newer it is sluggish too
[22:39] <g30> older hardwarre I agree
[22:39] <g30> Siekacz NOT lol
[22:39] <g30> are you kidding?
[22:39] <Siekacz> i put in my password
[22:39] <jtaylor> I used xubuntu with my old machine, that was quite good
[22:39] <Siekacz> and unity is there in 3-5 secs
[22:39] <jtaylor> heard lubuntu is also good but never tested it
[22:39] <Siekacz> GNOME 2?
[22:39] <Siekacz> 30 secs
[22:40] <Siekacz> ok
[22:40] <g30> Siekacz the problem you are having is not gnome itself but ubuntu's implimentation of it
[22:40] <Siekacz> we can run basic gnome
[22:40] <g30> they want you to use unity
[22:40] <Siekacz> yes
[22:40] <Siekacz> they want me to USe unity
[22:40] <Siekacz> you're right
[22:40] <g30> dont get me wrong i love unity in 11.10 it is beutiful
[22:41] <g30> just lots of bug now
[22:41] <Siekacz> and i want them to make unity better and better
[22:41] <Siekacz> yes
[22:41] <Siekacz> because it's young
[22:41] <Siekacz> very young
[22:41] <g30> have you tried to run say openshot yet?
[22:41] <Siekacz> but the progress is lighting fast
[22:42] <Siekacz> they made a usable DE from sratch in?
[22:42] <Siekacz> 1 year
[22:42] <g30> maybe thats the problem lol
[22:42] <g30> whats his namme mark shaffer of ubuntu says they will get it right in 11.10
[22:42] <Siekacz> im using unity now
[22:42] <Siekacz> and i don't experience any bugs
[22:43] <g30> 3d?
[22:43] <Siekacz> yup
[22:43] <Siekacz> 3d
[22:43] <g30> have you tried to change any compiz settings yet ? lol
[22:43] <g30> with ccsm?
[22:43] <Siekacz> nope
[22:43] <g30> I dare you
[22:43] <g30> LMFAO
[22:43] <Siekacz> g30: what for?
[22:43] <g30> just remember /etc/umm/gnome/sessions
[22:44] <g30> because if you make any change to compiz will break entire interface
[22:44] <Siekacz> g30: i don't wand any ridiculous effects like dektop cube
[22:44] <Siekacz> because they're useless
[22:44] <g30> then why use 3d?
[22:44] <g30> why not 2d?
[22:44] <Siekacz> i want a usable DE
[22:44] <grant99929> can someone help me? i cant login in 11.10
[22:44] <Siekacz> because i Wan it to be hardware accelerated
[22:45] <g30> my point is ubity is far from  stable in my opinion
[22:45] <Siekacz> grant99929: what happens when you try to login?
[22:45] <g30> what vide hardware you run if you dont mind me asking
[22:45] <grant99929> it dumps me back to the login screen
[22:45] <grant99929> but i can still login using the guest account
[22:45] <g30> login 2d
[22:45] <Siekacz> grant99929: so
[22:46] <g30> grant tried to change compiz settingss im betting
[22:46] <g30> is this true grant?
[22:46] <grant99929> i havent changed anything
[22:46] <grant99929> i just updated like 10 mins ago
[22:46] <g30> but if you make user account u can log in fine
[22:46] <g30> ?
[22:46] <Siekacz> g30: Unity is not to mess around with stupid compiz settings!
[22:46] <g30> what happend was your sessions config got messed up somehow
[22:47] <grant99929> umm ok...
[22:47] <grant99929> i dont know what that means...
[22:47] <Siekacz> yup
[22:47] <urlin2u> Siekacz, you can have the cube if you know how.
[22:47] <Siekacz> yup
[22:47] <Siekacz> but what for?
[22:47] <g30> you need to go into i forget ummm /etc/gnome/sessions/sessions and look at the code be sure it say gnome-panel for default
[22:47] <urlin2u> esier for using t for me .
[22:47] <urlin2u> it
[22:48] <Siekacz> i prefer desktop wall with expo
[22:48] <g30> or if you dont know howto sudo into that folder you can always just make a new user account
[22:48] <grant99929> ok lemme try a new account
[22:48] <g30> by logging in as root you will need to sudo passwd first to make root active
[22:48] <grant99929> i cant seem to use sudo from the guest account
[22:48] <grant99929> its not working
[22:49] <g30> Siekacz this is what happends when you try to mess with the effects of unity whether they admit it or not
[22:49] <g30> grant
[22:49] <grant99929> yah
[22:49] <g30> can u open a terminal?
[22:49] <grant99929> yah
[22:49] <g30>  type su root
[22:49] <g30> or sudo passwd
[22:49] <Siekacz> grant99929: other way
[22:50] <Siekacz> listen to me care fully
[22:50] <grant99929> yes
[22:50] <g30> sudo passwd root
[22:51] <g30> type that
[22:51] <grant99929> i cant sudo anything
[22:51] <grant99929> it wont accept my password
[22:51] <g30> is it installed on machine and not live rite?
[22:51] <grant99929> yah
[22:51] <g30> logout of guest and login unity 2d try?
[22:52] <g30> you know how?
[22:52] <grant99929> i have tried normal ubuntu, 2d and recovery. none worked
[22:52] <g30> what terminal u use
[22:52] <g30> ?
[22:52] <grant99929> i dont understand
[22:52] <grant99929> i use the normal one
[22:53] <g30> when you type sudo what it say/
[22:53] <g30> ?
[22:53] <g30> be sure low case in letter
[22:53] <grant99929> usage: sudo -h | -K | -k | -L | -V usage: sudo -v [-AknS] [-g groupname|#gid] [-p prompt] [-u user name|#uid] usage: sudo -l[l] [-AknS] [-g groupname|#gid] [-p prompt] [-U user name] [-u             user name|#uid] [-g groupname|#gid] [command] usage: sudo [-AbEHknPS] [-C fd] [-g groupname|#gid] [-p prompt] [-u user             name|#uid] [-g groupname|#gid] [VAR=value] [-i|-s] [<command>] usage: sudo -e [-AknS] [-C fd] [-g gro
[22:53] <grant99929> thats what it says
[22:53] <g30> type sudo passwd root
[22:54] <grant99929> guest-cLIAuN@grant-R480:~$ sudo passwd root [sudo] password for guest-cLIAuN:  Sorry, try again. [sudo] password for guest-cLIAuN:  sudo: 1 incorrect password attempt
[22:54] <g30> it should then ask to create new password
[22:54] <DeviceZer0> is anyone in here using virtualbox ON 11.10? Im wondering whats the best way to install it
[22:54] <grant99929> it wont accept my password
[22:54] <DeviceZer0> just use the 11.04 deb?
[22:54] <grant99929> sudo doesnt work
[22:54] <g30> hmm
[22:55] <urlin2u> DeviceZer0, shouldn't be a proble,
[22:55] <urlin2u> m
[22:55] <jtaylor> DeviceZer0: virtualbox is in the oneiric archives
[22:55] <DeviceZer0> jtaylor, hmm. yea. but isnt there a diff between OSE and the one from oracle?
[22:55] <urlin2u> grant99929, do you have acccess to the original sudo account?
[22:55] <g30> can u su root?
[22:56] <g30> or actually su your user name
[22:56] <jtaylor> DeviceZer0: maybe but is it significant for you?
[22:56] <g30> then run sudo passwd root
[22:56] <g30> yes that will work :)
[22:56] <DeviceZer0> jtaylor, maybe? lol
[22:56] <jtaylor> for the non ose version you will have to hope the 11.04 works, as its not ose nothing anybody can do about it
[22:56] <DeviceZer0> hmm wait
[22:57] <DeviceZer0> we are both wrong!
[22:57] <DeviceZer0> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[22:57] <DeviceZer0> Before version 4.0, there were two editions of VirtualBox: a full binary containing all features and an "Open Source Edition" (OSE) with source code. With version 4.0, there is only one version any more, which is open source, and the closed-source components have been moved to a separate extension pack.
[22:57] <urlin2u> grant99929, you can reset the password out of the OS if that is the login problem.
[22:57] <grant99929> SUDO WORKS!!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you
[22:57] <DeviceZer0> seems they changed it
[22:57] <g30>  be sure you run sudo passwd root then create new user
[22:59] <g30> that is the biggest problem with unity
[23:02] <jtaylor> you usually don't want to add a password to the root user
[23:02] <jtaylor> not needed when you use sudo
[23:02] <g30> LOL
[23:02] <g30> blame unity
[23:03] <jtaylor> unity enables the root account? not on my machine
[23:03] <g30> no
[23:03] <g30> but unity does disallow you to login if your compiz settings are messed up
[23:04] <g30> and if someone dont know commands it is very hard for them to make new user from command and add groups
[23:04] <jtaylor> ah ok
[23:04] <g30> much easier to login root gui
[23:04] <g30> :)
[23:04] <jtaylor> sry didn't follow the whole discussion
[23:04] <g30> np
[23:06] <urlin2u> never have seen that on the IRC or on the web or forums, anything is possible I guess.
[23:06] <g30> see what?
[23:06] <coz_> anyone know if the mini iso is available yet?
[23:06] <urlin2u> no login due to compiz
[23:07] <urlin2u> unity and compiz work together though
[23:07] <g30> yea have you tried to mess with compiz?
[23:07] <g30> with like ccsm or something?
[23:07] <g30> happends all the time  hope they fix
[23:07] <urlin2u> g30, why yes I have no problems here cube and a bunch of plugins working
[23:07] <yofel> he could've started with purging his compiz settings?
[23:08] <g30> yofel yes
[23:08] <g30> and simply reseting /etc/gnome/sessions as well but newbie is hard to do from command line
[23:09] <g30> urlin2u thats great, i myself have dont it many times to duplicate the bug which is the only reason i know what to do
[23:09] <yofel> and trying to enable the root account isn't? He could've just logged in as root from recovery mode
[23:09] <grant9992929> i still cant login...
[23:09] <g30> grant did you sudo passwd root ?
[23:09] <grant9992929> yah
[23:09] <urlin2u> people loose the desktops as they have no window manager restart regularly, but the login is strange
[23:09] <g30> when u logout but in other user type root then the password you make
[23:10] <grant9992929> ok
[23:10] <urlin2u> unity reset in the classic should reset compiz
[23:10] <g30> good luck my friend
[23:10] <grant9992929> but is it possible to log back into my account?
[23:10] <g30> yes
[23:10] <grant9992929> how?
[23:10] <g30> but you will need to reset compiz
[23:10] <grant9992929> k
[23:10] <g30> you can just make new user much easier then copy home
[23:11] <grant9992929> will i need to reset some settings then?
[23:11] <g30> you will need to gointo /etc/gnome/sessions/sessions'and edit that file
[23:11] <g30> but if you login as root then create new user
[23:12] <g30> just loginto hte new user account and copy your old home
[23:12] <g30> i suspect you will have some trouble using root edit from command line and if you emss something up in root its all over :)
[23:12] <grant9992929> lol
[23:13] <grant9992929> ok
[23:13] <g30> from lightdm login manager
[23:13] <yofel> why not first try to get rid of the compiz settings in the home folder? I don't use gnome though so I don't know where those are
[23:13] <g30> type root put password then loginto open control make new user
[23:13] <g30> login new user then come back
[23:13] <g30> )
[23:13] <grant9992929> yah i can log in to root fine now
[23:13] <g30> can u make new user?
[23:13] <grant9992929> i did
[23:13] <g30> with the gui
[23:13] <g30> ok login that user
[23:13] <grant9992929> but i would rather fix my old accont
[23:13] <g30> and you have unity back?
[23:14] <g30> does unity now work on new user?
[23:15] <g30> then you can just copy /olderuser/home to your new /home and bam!!!~
[23:15] <g30> of course you can reset compiz but wont work if its to messed up
[23:16] <gnomie> dooglus: "< dooglus> here's a weird one: since I upgraded my escape key and all 6  odd-numbered function keys have stopped working" ; i have heard that one before.. odd indeed
[23:16] <g30> i just try to give most easy way
[23:17] <grant9992929> could u describe how to do it the hard way? i want to keep the settings on my old account
[23:17] <g30> lol
[23:17] <g30> sure
[23:18] <g30> but be advised if you mess up 1 thing with root power your machine = MicroS$%^&
[23:18] <g30> lmao
[23:18] <grant9992929> ok
[23:18] <grant9992929> i can just use the new account and sudo everything tho
[23:18] <g30> with that said, are you sure you just dont want to copy your old home to the new account?
[23:18] <grant9992929> well the new account will have a different name...
[23:18] <g30> does the gui work in new account
[23:18] <g30> ?
[23:18] <grant9992929> yes it does
[23:19] <g30> never use sudo unless you must
[23:19] <grant9992929> ok
[23:19] <g30> you can now just goto /users/oldusername and copy all home /dir to new /home
[23:19] <g30> most easy way
[23:19] <grant9992929> but i want to keep my old user name
[23:19] <g30> ok
[23:19] <grant9992929> could i delete my old account and create a 2nd new one with the same name?
[23:20] <g30> yes
[23:20] <g30> but be sure
[23:20] <g30> if you have anythiung you want save
[23:20] <g30> then copy from od home
[23:20] <g30> home **
[23:20] <grant9992929> yup
[23:20] <g30> and im not sure if you can edit user accounts under user power now, last i checked they were greyed out
[23:21] <grant9992929> ill try that then  THANK YOU g30, YOURE THE BEST :)
[23:21] <g30> you may have to login root again and use user manager that way
[23:21] <g30> anytime friend
[23:21] <yofel> if a new user isn't in the admin group he doesn't have sudo permissions
[23:21] <g30> may the force be with you
[23:21] <grant9992929> pew pew
[23:21] <grant9992929> boom
[23:21] <g30> yofel even if in admin group i still don tthink you can use user manager try for me and see im not use ubuntu
[23:21] <yofel> just run 'adduser <newuser> admin' as root or with sudo from the old account
[23:21] <yofel> that will add it
[23:21] <g30> but he need copy
[23:22] <g30> lol
[23:22] <yofel> g30: I'm not in gnome either, I'm in KDE
[23:22] <g30> try to make easy for him
[23:22] <g30> im using opensuse
[23:22] <g30> LOL
[23:22] <g30> i dont use ubuntu
[23:22] <g30> :)
[23:22] <g30> but i love all linux
[23:22] <yofel> that would explain why you're trying to enable a root account that's disabled by default in 'buntu...
[23:23] <g30> he had to do it
[23:23] <g30> because he could not login user account
[23:23] <g30> your right though, he could have done it via shell
[23:23] <yofel> not really, he could've rebooted into recovery mode and logged in as root from there, without password
[23:24] <g30> but its hard
[23:24] <g30> and 1 slip as root and its Gnite
[23:24] <g30> :)
[23:24] <yofel> true
[23:24] <g30> im a noob
[23:24] <g30> :)
[23:25] <g30> ive been booted out of here a few times for mentioning suse so i try not talk about it to much
[23:25] <g30> i love all linux and i think ubuntu is great bring more people to the dark side LOL
[23:25] <yofel> true, that's for -offtopic
[23:25] <g30> u run kubuntu?
[23:25] <yofel> yep
[23:26] <g30> let me ask something kmenu when u put search does it work?
[23:26] <g30> for apps?
[23:26] <yofel> searching in kickoff? works fine here
[23:26] <g30> cool
[23:26] <g30> how you llike kde?
[23:27] <lenios> if 'sudo passwd root' works, then sudo -i or sudo -s should work the same way to login as root without having a root password set
[23:27] <g30> ok friends gotta go
[23:28] <g30> hope evewrything works
[23:28] <g30> take carfe
[23:28] <g30> care
[23:30] <lenios> you can also use "sudo passwd -l root" to unset the password, then restoring the state you had before
[23:30]  * gnomie doesn't believe in "lightweight", ubuntu (main, regular, unity.. whatever its called these days) should work on ANY computer   >:(
[23:34] <urlin2u> that was a ridiculous fix, besides the rhetoric on the various linux distros that are hardly differnt .
[23:35] <yofel> for 'buntu it was a crazy way indeed, but with other distros setting a root password during install people invent creative ways to do things
[23:47] <gnomie> which brings me to think, is ubuntu's phylosophy to disregard hardware specs for pre-2002 computers? why do i get a feeling ubuntu is in some kind of race... and some wanted to argue about rolling releases.. what for? progress isn't about going fast, but about getting there, which implies there is a goal. is there..?
[23:48] <penguin42> gnomie: I think it's mostly a case of wanting to support latest hardware and also wanting funky looks/features and if that doesn't work on old machines so be it - there is always xubuntu/lubuntu for lower spec machines
[23:49] <gnomie> so it's about trend? sigh..
[23:49] <gnomie> how sad
[23:49]  * penguin42 checks what he wrote - nope, didn't say that
[23:50] <OerHeks> you can save yourself a new machine, compare the power-usage of pre-2002 & recent hardware :-)
[23:51] <Siekacz> power usage on windows or linux? :)
[23:51] <Siekacz> it's a differene
[23:53] <gnomie> also, supporting latest hardware is the kernel's job; when i read "unity was made from scratch in a year" i parse 'new trend'. whatever happened to linux for human beings? if what OerHeks holds true, then the motto should change to linux for the priviledged
[23:53] <urlin2u> gnomie, problem with your argument is that most of the drivers are not provided by the manufacturers for linux, so ones that haven't been provided, have to be engineered to wok.
[23:54] <urlin2u> we are lucky to have what we do to be honest
[23:54] <OerHeks> unity runs on atom ULV to Bulldozer 8-core ..
[23:55] <OerHeks> critical is your GPU, true
[23:56] <urlin2u> IT is worth way more then its actual cost in so many ways you just have to know how to fix it or find a distro that runs your ghardware