| AlanBell | bug 851694 has had a minor improvement | 09:40 |
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| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694 | 09:40 |
| AlanBell | now the top row of a category get read out right | 09:41 |
| AlanBell | all the others are still called button | 09:41 |
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| charlie-tca | hm, my hardware seems to hate unity now. Did a screen-reader install, got a full two or three minutes of crashes logging in. | 20:02 |
| charlie-tca | Ran updates, restart failed completely. Had to re-install to get the desktop back | 20:03 |
| AlanBell | eww | 20:05 |
| * AlanBell updates a VM | 20:05 | |
| charlie-tca | That was kind of my thought, too | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | reinstalled without orca, just to look unity over | 20:06 |
| charlie-tca | open dash, seach on accessibility comes up blank. Now have to look for Universal Access instead | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | oh? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | yup | 20:07 |
| AlanBell | typing accessibility or using the filter thing? | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | Wish they would tell us about these things | 20:07 |
| charlie-tca | type accessibility | 20:08 |
| charlie-tca | could not get the filter thing to work | 20:08 |
| AlanBell | that only works in the apps lens | 20:08 |
| AlanBell | and not very well | 20:08 |
| AlanBell | the apps lens is so cluttered and useless it puts everyone off unity | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, trying to find what was called Accessibility is no good now, though | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | We might lose users simply because they changed words and haven't told anyone | 20:09 |
| charlie-tca | I still can't find anything intuitive about unity, when I need to find things | 20:10 |
| AlanBell | yes | 20:11 |
| AlanBell | I think in the dash you are supposed to search for stuff like "screen reader" or "keyboard" generic terms that might be in the description of the thing you are after | 20:11 |
| charlie-tca | I did try "mousekeys" and "mousetweaks". neither one gets anything | 20:12 |
| charlie-tca | and looking at "mouse" doesn't get me any a11y stuff | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | yeah, interesting point | 20:12 |
| AlanBell | those are kind of screens in the settings application which get muddled up with the other applications | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | and I guess don't have populated individual descriptions so can't be found | 20:13 |
| charlie-tca | I don't know, but it fast becoming impossible for me to use Unity. If I have to search for hours/days to find simple settings I need, it isn't worth it anymore. | 20:14 |
| charlie-tca | I did find something said fonts - normal/large/larger. I changed to large, and lost the damn gear thing in the panel. only way to restart was in terminal, using "sudo shutdown -r now" | 20:15 |
| maco | AlanBell: we can futz with .desktop files to get more SEO descriptions | 20:15 |
| charlie-tca | That gets the panel resized so you have the gear thing back | 20:15 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: I made a prototype apps lens that groups by category http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/appmenulens.png | 20:16 |
| charlie-tca | The problem is when they change the name without advertising it. | 20:17 |
| charlie-tca | all the groups you can think of are worthless if the word doesn't work | 20:17 |
| AlanBell | sure, it is a separate thing altogether! | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | but much better than using the filters | 20:18 |
| AlanBell | hmm, by the time I have typed "acce" it has found "Universal Access" as the first suggestion | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | oh great, and orca can't see it at all | 20:20 |
| maco | trouble is if you keep typing | 20:20 |
| charlie-tca | so, I typed too fast? | 20:20 |
| AlanBell | well yeah, clearly it should stay there and "accessibility" should be in the description field somewhere | 20:21 |
| charlie-tca | When you consider that the last release we had that actually worked for everyone was 10.04, it seems a bit ridiculous now to keep saying Ubuntu cares about accessibility | 20:21 |
| maco | i dont think i ever bothered making that claim | 20:22 |
| charlie-tca | apparently, someone needs to really get that point across to Mark | 20:23 |
| maco | there's a perpetual "next release! next release we really WILL care about accessibility! just you watch us!" | 20:24 |
| AlanBell | think it was going to be nailed in this release | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | anyhow, on a positive note, I have closed a bunch of bugs today that have been fixed | 20:25 |
| maco | that happens????? | 20:26 |
| maco | i mean, for reasons other than "you havent said anything in 60 days and we cant stand the lack of attention"? | 20:26 |
| * maco jerk | 20:27 | |
| AlanBell | the big one is the ctrl+s to start orca rather than the embarrassing "when you see the icon" thing | 20:27 |
| maco | haha | 20:27 |
| charlie-tca | hm, good thing I didn't file all the crashes I got today with the screenreader install | 20:27 |
| AlanBell | someone half fixed bug 851694 | 20:28 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694 | 20:28 |
| charlie-tca | no one fixed the "continue" is called "next" though | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | if that one gets fully fixed then unity is a long way towards being OK | 20:28 |
| AlanBell | the continue called next thing and all the odd terminology in ubiquity is all the same cause I think | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | I couldn't tell what was still broken in unity, there were too many crashes all at once. By the time they got done, I could not use the desktop | 20:29 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe I will try it again tomorrow. | 20:30 |
| charlie-tca | Can't file the crash bugs when it work at all | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | it does sometimes go crashy | 20:31 |
| AlanBell | but that doesn't seem a11y specific, the whole thing is just a bit wobbly | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | Well, 15-20 crash reports right after logging in seems really wobbly, especially when it kills all ability to do anything | 20:32 |
| maco | AlanBell: the continue called next, is, i *think* part of that add_widget stupidity | 20:34 |
| maco | since the variable name for the button is still next button | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | gah, bug 851694 seems to have completely rolled back to a full fail again | 20:34 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 851694 in unity-2d "application icons in apps lens are all called "button"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/851694 | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | maco: yeah, I suspected as much | 20:34 |
| maco | even though the weird thing where text is pulled from templatey bits overrides the text at one point | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | well, end of ranting, back to work | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: bug 781385 is tagged rls-mgr-o-tracking | 20:40 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 781385 in ubiquity "Ubiquity GTK should have useful accessible names set in the Glade .ui files instead of using the variable names" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/781385 | 20:40 |
| charlie-tca | That only means skaet is watching it, not that someone is actively fixing it yet. | 20:41 |
| AlanBell | indeed | 20:48 |
| AlanBell | charlie-tca: do you know about the LDTP tests? | 20:49 |
| AlanBell | the good thing about this bug is it would be easy to fix | 20:49 |
| AlanBell | because it is a bit of accessibility technology that was working and has been deliberately broken to make testing easier | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | No, I don't | 20:50 |
| AlanBell | automated testing that is only possible because the accessibility interfaces exist | 20:50 |
| AlanBell | great session charlie-tca | 22:08 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | Hard to do that after that install today | 22:21 |
| charlie-tca | But, then again, *we* are the ones that keep this going, aren't we. | 22:23 |
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