[01:59] <akgraner> Ubuntu Leadership Team Meeting: Monday, September 26, 2011 @ 1800 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting on freenode.net
[01:59] <akgraner> Closed the poll that was the most popular time
[02:11] <valorie> yikes, early for me, but I'll try to make it
[02:11] <valorie> I kept meaning to figure out the UTC but never did.....
[02:18] <akgraner> for me it's like 1300 EDY
[02:18] <akgraner> EDT
[02:18] <akgraner> even
[02:18] <akgraner> I'll make it work for me - I'm more concerned with it fitting as many other people's schedule as possible..
[02:18] <akgraner> valorie, I have the time zones on my wall
[02:19] <akgraner> so I don't have to keep checking dateandtime
[02:19] <Cheesehead> valorie: Try the command "date -d "Sep 26 18:00 UTC 2011""
[02:20] <Cheesehead> It should return your local time equivalent
[02:21] <Cheesehead> (Sorry for any quotation-mark confusion, in that command the UTC date should be in quotes)
[02:27] <valorie> thank you Cheesehead
[02:27] <valorie> i'll try that
[02:27] <valorie> oh good, we'll be back on regular time by then
[02:27] <valorie> not so early
[02:27] <valorie> :-)
[02:28] <akgraner> I'm just lazy plus multiple clocks on my wall with various time zone labels look all cool and artsy :-)
[02:28] <akgraner> ok and a little nerdy and military-ish :-)
[02:29] <valorie> I had my computer clock displaying UTC for awhile
[02:29] <valorie> but it went back to local time for some reason
[03:55] <DarwinSurvivor> valorie: I have a second time in UTC under my regular clock in my conky config
[03:56] <valorie> yes, it's there when I hover
[03:56] <valorie> but it used to be the main time
[03:56] <valorie> helped to be able to see both at a glance, all the time
[03:56] <valorie> clock to my left, UTC a bit to my right
[05:57] <YoBoY> <Cheesehead> Chapter 8: Money. Are there any LoCos with their organizational funds, bank accounts, and fundraisers? << ubuntu-fr have an account and money and a webstore ^^"
[06:04] <valorie> how do you secure those funds, YoBoY?
[06:04] <YoBoY> secure ?
[06:06] <YoBoY> we have a voluntary association, it's allowing us to have an account, we have also a paypal account to  receive donations and for the paiment in the webstore
[06:07] <valorie> such as Treasurer giving reports, and someone to check on those
[06:08] <valorie> having dealt with a theft from an account, I know how much that can destroy a group
[06:08] <valorie> even small amounts destroy trust, so it's worthwhile to ensure the safety
[06:08] <valorie> sec
[06:08] <YoBoY> yes we have that :) the association is registered we have our president (huats) our tresorer (kinouchou) a secretary (me) and we all have a look into that
[06:09] <valorie> so no auditor?
[06:09] <YoBoY> the emails from paypal are received on a private mailing list where some other trusted people are registered
[06:09] <valorie> that's fine as long as someone systematically looks at the books and verifies the accounts
[06:10] <valorie> very good
[06:10] <YoBoY> we make each year a repport on all our activities, it's an obligation of the association we registered
[06:11] <valorie> good deal
[06:13] <YoBoY> it's not perfect but so far we are lucky with the people ruling the association, i'm only here since last year ^^
[06:15] <YoBoY> to make good promotion we need money, it allow us to make our livecds, tshirts, stickers, tatoos, ...
[06:15] <valorie> I understand
[06:15] <valorie> but luck should NOT be relied upon
[06:16] <valorie> hiring an auditor is not a large cost, if the books are prepared well for inspection
[06:18] <YoBoY> yes, if our profits reach a certain amount it's an obligation to have a certified accountant
[06:18] <valorie> cool, I'm glad France is on the ball
[06:19] <YoBoY> like a business
[06:38]  * YoBoY back with coffee
[06:39] <YoBoY> I don't know for other locos but we receive some donations from users, I don't of they think we are linked to canonical/ubuntu in some way, but it help.
[06:41] <valorie> we've gotten a few too
[06:41] <valorie> at LinuxFest, etc.
[06:41] <valorie> nice for buying more CDs to burn and give out
[06:42] <YoBoY> not official cds ?
[06:42] <bkerensa> valorie: Will be going to Linuxfest :) got someone to volunteer for roadtrip :)
[06:42] <YoBoY> people are less afraid of "manufactured cds", seems more real, and less "hacker thing"
[06:44] <valorie> we didn't get nearly enough this year
[06:44] <valorie> our LoCo isn't Accepted
[06:44] <valorie> they watched us make them as they wanted them
[06:44] <valorie> we worked hard all weekend
[06:44] <bkerensa> valorie: UnApproved LoCo's can apparently get CD's (I guess although that depends on who you ask)
[06:45] <bkerensa> Someone from Council said we dont and that the Wiki is outdated however the person responsible for conference packs at Canonical said we do get them.
[06:45] <bkerensa> idk
[06:45] <bkerensa> I think there is likely some miscommunication somewhere but Canonical did ship us two cases of CD's
[06:45] <valorie> we got some
[06:46] <bkerensa> yeah
[06:46] <valorie> but not nearly enough
[06:46] <bkerensa> I also had some long talks with people from Canonical
[06:46] <valorie> LFNW is in April, so there is always lots of interest
[06:47] <YoBoY> well, "canonical cds" are just goodies here, it's great to have them, but it's clearly not enough ^^" we produced around 10000 live cds for the last releases
[06:47] <bkerensa> They wanna do more for and with loco's but I guess nobody is reaching out and they also discussed like regionals Canonical/LoCo mailing lists
[06:47] <bkerensa> but then again this was just a group of Canonical employees so they were going to pass the idea along
[06:47] <bkerensa> :P
[06:47] <bkerensa> 10k :P
[06:47] <bkerensa> wow
[06:48] <bkerensa> I have had little demand for CD's on the local level in fact everyone asks for USB's :P
[06:48] <valorie> in previous years we've gotten like 4 cases
[06:48] <valorie> and ended up with like 5
[06:48] <valorie> this year we got one case
[06:48] <valorie> and no Kubuntu at all
[06:48] <bkerensa> although FreeGeek just got in touch and said they have an epic amount of CD's they need to get rid of
[06:49]  * bkerensa is trying to keep FreeGeek shipping Ubuntu but atm I dont know if its going to be a win and FreeGeek is a major player in getting Ubuntu spread throughout the country
[06:50] <bkerensa> There issue is Unity will not run on their hardware going forward and they dont seem to like the other variants xubuntu or kubuntu
[06:51] <valorie> that sucks a bit
[06:51] <bkerensa> Yeah
[06:51] <valorie> now there is lubuntu as well
[06:51] <YoBoY> we are thinking on a live usb too, but it's too expensive
[06:52] <bkerensa> imho Canonical should be trying to help with this... FreeGeek has offshots throughout the country now and the main branch alone distributes hundreds of free computers running Ubuntu all the time
[06:52] <valorie> yes, unless you can get small USBs for almost free
[06:52] <valorie> which you can't
[06:52] <bkerensa> you can
[06:52] <bkerensa> ;)
[06:52] <bkerensa> Sponsors
[06:52] <bkerensa> :P
[06:52] <valorie> sure, that too
[06:52] <YoBoY> we already produce a live usb with another floss group here in france
[06:53]  * bkerensa needs to pass some contacts to akgraner.... I meet someone from NC who didnt even know there was a LoCo
[06:53] <bkerensa> YoBoy: Yeah... I'm considering looking into finding a sticker company to make replacement  Ubuntu key stickers soon
[06:54]  * bkerensa is hoping to find a good deal and have a box or two of rolls made 
[06:54] <valorie> ask Mark Dude about where they got them
[06:54] <YoBoY> http://www.enventelibre.org/produit/framakey-ubuntu-fr-remix
[06:54]  * bkerensa asked System76 if I could just buy in bulk from them but ehh they said they need all theirs
[06:54] <valorie> they're a hit for sure
[06:54] <bkerensa> valorie: He got them from System76
[06:55] <valorie> interesting
[06:55] <bkerensa> zareason also makes them but they use them for their computers and such idk
[06:57] <valorie> right
[06:58] <bkerensa> But if I find a economical way of having them made I will be sure to ship some up to you guys
[06:58] <valorie> or we can pitch in for a part of the order
[06:58] <valorie> Cali might be interested as well
[06:58] <bkerensa> Yeah
[06:59] <bkerensa> PuppetConf was interesting
[06:59] <YoBoY> bkerensa: stickers like this : http://www.enventelibre.org/produit/pack-de-5-stickers-ubuntu-fr ?
[06:59] <bkerensa> someone from MarkDude's camp (Fedora Project) decided to post some random thing on Mark Shuttleworth's blog and made reference to Ubuntu Oregon
[07:00] <bkerensa> YoBoy: Nah the small circle windows key replacement stickers...
[07:00] <bkerensa> YoBoY: http://i.imgur.com/dkwmW.jpg <--- there is one on this
[07:00] <YoBoY> bkerensa: ha ok ^^
[07:01] <bkerensa> YoBoY: Thats not the original design :P it was some random company logo and I painted over in black and put the ubuntu sticker on it.... Its a USB drive :)
[07:01] <YoBoY> I have one on my laptop from the official stickers
[07:02] <bkerensa> oh cool
[07:02] <bkerensa> :D
[07:09] <valorie> case badges are cool too
[07:10] <YoBoY> case badges ?
[07:10] <valorie> I <3 my Kubuntu one
[07:10] <valorie> like your stickers, YoBoY
[07:10] <valorie> sometimes they are metallic, too
[07:10] <YoBoY> what's the differences ?
[07:11] <valorie> the little ones are for your "windows" key
[07:11]  * YoBoY always searching for new ideas of goodies :D
[07:18] <bkerensa> gnight all
[07:20] <YoBoY> good night bkerensa
[07:31] <YoBoY> some of you have ideas for goodies ? we need some new stuff to please our community
[07:34] <valorie> kubuntu jewelry
[07:34] <valorie> :-)
[08:13] <YoBoY> not enough kubuntu users ^^" but jewelry can be a good idea
[08:14] <head_victim> Keyrings and case badges always do well
[08:17] <valorie> right, I know we are a minority
[08:17] <valorie> in both the Ubuntu community, AND the KDE community
[08:19] <head_victim> As long as it ends in "buntu" we're all the same majority ;) I've used them all on a daily basis over the years depending on my requirements of the time.
[08:20] <YoBoY> valorie: I also have lot of difficulties to find people to do conferences on kubuntu / KDE :]
[08:23] <valorie> we have lots of French KDE people
[08:23] <valorie> also some Kubuntu ones specifically
[08:24] <valorie> I will poke them to talk to you about that
[08:24] <YoBoY> yes I know that, it's why it's frustrating :)
[08:25] <valorie> the packagers and developers are sorta busy
[08:25] <valorie> but then -- aren't we all!?
[08:25] <YoBoY> seems the great people behind all the free softwares want to stay in the shadow ^^
[08:25] <valorie> well, some people would rather hang out in IRC than see people face to face
[08:25] <valorie> social anxiety, etc.
[08:26] <YoBoY> i'm one of them :D
[08:26] <valorie> I love the conferences
[08:26] <YoBoY> I love to organise them, but don't ask me to do one ^^"
[08:27] <valorie> well, I need to develop some talks
[08:27] <valorie> so I get sponsored to come, or at least to stay
[08:28] <valorie> I enjoy giving talks
[08:28] <valorie> and staffing booths
[08:29] <YoBoY> I love booths :)
[08:29] <YoBoY> and webcafé :D
[08:29] <valorie> heh
[08:30] <YoBoY> 3 years now we are holding a free internet acces point at a music festival, it's really awesome :)
[08:31] <valorie> that is so cool -- I will think about talking to my loco about doing that as well
[08:31] <valorie> I love music festivals, so it's a natural
[08:32] <valorie> how do you get the connectivity?
[08:32] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/images/P1010192.JPG << :D
[08:32] <YoBoY> the festival provide the network and everything, we provide the computers and the volunteers
[08:33] <valorie> oh wow!
[08:34] <valorie> more and more interesting
[08:35] <YoBoY> we are using 2 computers with zephyr to have 12 station
[08:36] <valorie> what's zephyr?
[08:36] <valorie> well, not important
[08:36] <valorie> we have people who could DO THIS
[08:36] <valorie> i just need to get the festival connection
[08:36] <valorie> how did you make that?
[08:40] <YoBoY> it's a xorg module to allow use mutliple desktop on one computer
[08:40] <YoBoY> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Multiseat_Configuration/Xephyr
[08:40] <YoBoY> sorry wrong name :p
[08:42] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/5d214b74e322860b09f7c3b606287171/14/P1010124.JPG another great photo from this summer
[08:43] <valorie> so they provide the tent and everything?
[08:44] <valorie> and why do you want multiple desktops on one computer?
[08:45] <valorie> seems like it would be cool to team up with freegeek or somebody who could lend some computers for the day/weekend
[08:45] <YoBoY> yes they provide everything
[08:46] <YoBoY> easier to bring only 2 computers and 12 screen thant 12 complete computers ^^"
[08:46] <valorie> how did you connect to the festival?
[08:46] <valorie> oh, I see
[08:48] <YoBoY> the IT of the festival love ubuntu and free softwares, the first year they ask mozilla to have a booth, mozilla ask us to share and do a webcafe, since then, we have the both and they love us and the service we provide ^^
[08:49] <valorie> I'll have to do some research
[08:49] <YoBoY> the tent is bigger each year ^^"
[08:49] <valorie> that could be such a great project for our loco!
[08:49] <YoBoY> the fun part is they talk about us on other festival organisators and now we are invited in 2 music festivals, perhaps next year 3 :D
[08:50] <valorie> that is great
[08:50] <valorie> we have so many around
[08:51] <YoBoY> it's lot of work, this cost us some money too (material, transport, food, tatoos and stickers)
[08:51] <YoBoY> but it's cheaper than the festival entrance, and we can see all the concerts
[08:51] <valorie> right
[08:52] <YoBoY> http://www.vieillescharrues.asso.fr/edition-2011/programmation << this year
[08:52] <YoBoY> and we can stay behind the scenes to take some pictures http://yoboy.fr/5d214b74e322860b09f7c3b606287171/15/DSC_0239.JPG :D
[08:53] <valorie> Scorps!
[08:53] <valorie> Kaiser Chiefs!
[08:54] <valorie> that's the two I know, besides Snoop Dog
[08:54] <valorie> who might be fun too, for free
[08:54] <valorie> lol
[08:54] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/5d214b74e322860b09f7c3b606287171/17/DSC_0314.JPG << our best volunter for the photos :D
[08:55] <valorie> which one is you?
[08:56] <valorie> would you mind me sharing the links with my loco?
[08:56] <valorie> the photos and such
[08:57] <YoBoY> hum... private share ?
[08:58] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/5d214b74e322860b09f7c3b606287171/14/14072011497.JPG << i'm on the left
[08:59] <valorie> cool, it's nice to know what people look like
[09:00] <valorie> not all the links, but the two of the inside and outside the tent, and the festival lineup
[09:00] <valorie> and the zephyr
[09:00] <YoBoY> yes you can, take what you want, but don't use direct links
[09:01] <valorie> direct links?
[09:01] <YoBoY> links to my server
[09:02] <valorie> oh, so I need to put them into a imageshare?
[09:02] <valorie> I'll do that
[09:02] <YoBoY> something like that yes, or I can do a folder for you, just make me a list in that case
[09:03] <valorie> making them now
[09:03] <valorie> just two
[09:06] <valorie> huh, I guess it is waiting
[09:06] <YoBoY> ?
[09:07] <valorie> I dragged the photo down to the pastebin widget, and now it says "yoboy.fr contacted. Waiting for reply....
[09:07] <valorie> I've not gotten that before
[09:08] <valorie> I'll shut it down and use something else
[09:08] <YoBoY> something goes wrong :)
[09:08] <YoBoY> give me the links to the photos if it's only two I can make the copy :)
[09:09] <YoBoY> (don't know if pastebin can work with files)
[09:09] <valorie> http://yoboy.fr/5d214b74e322860b09f7c3b606287171/14/P1010124.JPG
[09:09] <valorie> and http://yoboy.fr/images/P1010192.JPG
[09:10] <valorie> I've used it with screenshots before
[09:10] <valorie> maybe this is different
[09:10] <YoBoY> http://yoboy.fr/images/valorie/
[09:12] <YoBoY> everything in my images folder is free to link, free to download, free to share, licence ccbysa if you want one ;)
[09:14] <YoBoY> I have to go, I have a meeting to organise our next ubuntu party (lot of work too ^^")
[09:14] <YoBoY> bbl
[09:14] <valorie> thank you!
[12:35] <akgraner> morning
[12:35] <akgraner> I'm  giving an open week session today
[12:36] <akgraner> and I'll add the resource list to a google doc -- and we can also make it available
[12:36] <akgraner> it's about contributing to the community
[12:36] <akgraner> and it's a list  I wish I would have been given when I started out in the community
[12:37] <akgraner> I thought we could add to it
[12:37] <akgraner> this way people have one place with tons of reference links about navigating community contribution
[12:42] <head_victim> akgraner: want me to have a play on the wiki?
[12:43] <head_victim> Start setting up meeting, links and anything else you want sub pages?
[12:44] <akgraner> Sure can we have it set up like this - /LeadershipTeam/Meetings
[12:44] <head_victim> Yeah and /Links ?
[12:44] <head_victim> And whatever else you like?
[12:44] <head_victim> I'll try to knock up a bit of a header bar as well jst for navigations sake.
[12:45] <akgraner> well need a Meetings/Agenda  and Meetings/Logs pages as well
[12:45] <akgraner> yes a header bar would roack
[12:45] <akgraner> rock
[12:45] <akgraner> I love the Ubuntu Women Header
[12:46] <akgraner> and the way their meeting pages are organized but if you find something better   feel free to make it work
[12:46] <akgraner> :-)
[12:46] <akgraner> make sense?  I know you know you're doing :-) have fun with ti
[12:46] <akgraner> it
[12:47] <akgraner> dang it  - I can't type today
[12:47] <akgraner> head_victim, Thank you!
[12:47] <head_victim> I was thinking a /Meetings with upcoming meetings agenda which are then moved to /Meetings/11/Sept26 or something when minutes and details area vailable
[12:47] <head_victim> But I'll go look at the UW as well for inspiration
[12:47] <akgraner> that's fine look at the Kernel Team pages theirs is organized as well
[12:47] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam
[12:47] <head_victim> That's my most complete effort
[12:49] <akgraner> Cool - here's the link to the kernel team wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[12:49] <akgraner> whatever you think is best just want to get it organized as much as possible
[12:50] <akgraner> we also need a /Projects page with a link from the header
[12:50] <head_victim> Ah, yeah I was going to do like that but when the meetings are completed I was thining of just adding a link to a subpage with details so it's just not one huge list
[12:50] <head_victim> Like team reporting is done
[12:51] <akgraner> Past Meetings
[12:51] <akgraner> :-)
[12:51] <head_victim> I'll knock something up and you can let me know how it looks :)
[12:51] <akgraner> yep - a /Past Meetings page is a great idea
[12:52] <akgraner> I like the team wikis you did as well
[12:53] <akgraner> you know what you're doing  - just set it up :-)  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam it looks good but I was thinking since we aren't a loco team that using another project team wiki would be good to - can you take the best parts for yours and the best (different parts from teams like kernel and UW and incorporate  them)
[12:53] <akgraner> THANKS A MILLION :-) You rock
[12:53] <head_victim> Yep, I'll have a hack to at least get it started
[12:53] <head_victim> Is there a team icon yet?
[12:54] <akgraner> yeppers - I was going to work on that tomorrow - but I am so glad you are getting started - you made my day
[12:54] <akgraner> not yet
[12:54] <akgraner> I've put the word our that we need one
[12:54] <akgraner> The design team is busy with development stuff - but I'll ask them as well
[12:55] <akgraner> however if you know someone please ask them to design something for us :-)
[12:55] <akgraner> I'll also ask jud kite to come up with something - killerkite productions
[12:56] <akgraner> head_victim, but if you know how to do that as well :-)  (hint hint( have at it))
[12:56] <head_victim> Nope, was just seeking icons for headers ;)
[12:56] <akgraner> teasing the wikis will be awesome if you can do those :-)
[12:56] <head_victim> I'm about as artistic as a square mouthed shovel.
[12:56] <akgraner> heehee
[12:57] <head_victim> That's why I'm good on wikis, there is only so much art you can use.
[12:57] <akgraner> bbiab..we can always change out all that later :-)
[12:57] <akgraner> yeppers
[13:14] <head_victim> akgraner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Meetings is a start
[13:15] <head_victim> It's got some notes in there as "howto"s for keeping the page up to day
[13:15] <head_victim> date*
[13:15] <head_victim> I'll have a quick crack at a ContactUs and a header
[13:21] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/ContactUs - is that all we have at the moment?
[13:30] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Links I hope that's vaguely what you had in mind
[13:37] <Cheesehead> head_victim: I quite like them
[13:40] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Header
[13:40] <head_victim> And that's the header I just knocked up
[13:40] <head_victim> Cheesehead: cheers
[13:40] <head_victim> OHHH Forgot the Projects Page
[13:41] <Cheesehead> head_victim: I would have reminded you
[13:46] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Projects
[13:46] <Cheesehead> head_victim: Thanks for doing all that wiki work.
[13:47] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Header
[13:47] <head_victim> Just added the projects page to the header
[13:47] <head_victim> I tried to use all the same type of icons
[13:48] <head_victim> So if people like it enough we can just add an include to all the pages
[13:48] <Cheesehead> head_victim: I think your use of icons and graphics was spot-on. Not too much, not too bare.
[13:49] <Cheesehead> And internally consistent
[13:50] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership
[13:50] <head_victim> Bugger it, I just whacked the header on there to see ;0
[13:54] <Cheesehead> Looks good. Looks ready to add to the others.
[13:55] <head_victim> Cheesehead: thanks for checking it out
[13:56] <head_victim> Feel free to add stuff, it's a wiki after all
[13:56] <Cheesehead> head_victim: I will. I usually wait until the initial enthusiasm burst subsides a bit.
[13:56] <Cheesehead> Then I come in and edit and rescale to reality.
[13:57] <Cheesehead> (Not saying anyone is unrealistic. Not at all. Simply that a new team may head in a direction unexpected upon the first day)
[13:58] <head_victim> Yep, I don't know all the details so really those pages are mainly placeholders
[13:58] <head_victim> But you gotta start with something
[13:58] <Cheesehead> I thing you've given us a great skeleton to flesh out.
[13:59] <head_victim> I've also found that if you're expecting others to add stuff (like agendas and links, etc) then it's always useful to have examples so I've put some comments in that hopefully make some sense.
[13:59] <Cheesehead> They do (to me)
[14:00] <head_victim> Sweet, cause it's midnight here so sanity checks are always good
[14:14] <head_victim> Okay, just playing now, but has the header been improved or complicated beyond useful? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLeadership/Header
[14:14] <head_victim> I added a bulletin bar
[14:17] <head_victim> akgraner: Well I will probably be off to bed soon. I hope I've done some useful work, feel free to modify it in any way, I won't be offended or anything like that. If you want stuff tweaked but running out of time just let me know and I'll see what I can do.
[14:21] <Cheesehead> head_victim: I like the bulletin bar. (I'm usually pretty difficul to please about such things)
[14:22] <head_victim> Thanks, it is "just another one of those things to update" but I've found it useful for some teams
[15:31] <akgraner> Thank you!
[17:03] <akgraner> Love the WIki pages :-)
[17:03] <akgraner> thanks head_victim
[17:20] <bkerensa> akgraner: I met soemone from NC I got his biz card and he said he didnt know there was a active loco in NC
[17:20] <bkerensa> :D
[18:28] <NRWlion> evening from a german autobahn :D
[18:29] <Cheesehead> Are you driving distracted?
[18:29] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: nope its a bus
[18:29] <NRWlion> :D
[18:29] <NRWlion> i am sitting in the last row
[18:30] <Cheesehead> How are you driving the bus from the back row? Your arms must be amazingly long.
[18:30] <NRWlion> totally bored of a group of like 10 women at the age around 60+
[18:30] <NRWlion> Cheesehead: i am not driving
[18:31] <NRWlion> we are going to freiburg in Germany to visit the catholic pope
[18:32] <Cheesehead> Ah, I read something about that.
[18:32] <Cheesehead> How long is the bus trip?
[18:33] <NRWlion> the next 10 to 12 hrs
[18:33] <NRWlion> akgraner: ping
[18:41] <Cheesehead> Question: Who is the proponent of User Days? I'm curious if there will be an After Action Review (or equivalent).
[18:41] <NRWlion> sorry?
[22:44] <akgraner> Cheesehead, yet there is a survey
[22:45] <akgraner> s/yet/yes
[22:59] <Cheesehead> akgraner: Survey. Thanks for the info.