[03:27] <rww> gods, Rurd2di's still hopping in and out of ##f_y_c since I banforwarded them from -unregged. Some peoples' clients.
[05:41] <bullgard4> rww: ping
[05:42] <rww> bullgard4: Howdy. As I mentioned in PM, ikonia banned you from #ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 earlier today for crossposting between the two channels.
[05:42] <bullgard4> rww: I know that.
[05:43] <rww> I'm guessing at some point in the past, you've read our IRC Guidelines. They do say not to do this, and you've probably seen us say in #ubuntu a lot that #ubuntu is for support with released versions of Ubuntu and #ubuntu+1 is for the current devel release.
[05:43] <rww> That rule is in place because getting support in two different channels at the same time duplicates our helpers' efforts and causes confusion.
[05:44] <rww> According to ikonia, you've also been told not to do this several times over the past few weeks.
[05:44] <rww> Given all the above, please explain why you continued doing it?
[05:46] <bullgard4> rww: The statement: "causes confusion." in general is not true. I t may be true in some special cases.
[05:47] <rww> bullgard4: I disagree with that. Regardless, it's the reason why the rule is in place, and is based on the experience of our IRC team. If you disagree with that reason, you may bring it up at an IRC Council meeting, but you may not ignore it while it's in effect.
[05:48] <bullgard4> rww: I'd like to bring it up at an IRC council meeting. How can I do this?
[05:49] <rww> bullgard4: The agenda for the IRC Council meetings is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda . You'd add it there, and the meeting information is on that page
[05:59] <Myrtti> sisters moving day... if theres anything that needs specifically my attention, I most likely wont be online
[05:59] <Myrtti> just as FYI
[05:59] <rww> Myrtti: k
[05:59] <Myrtti> ♥
[06:02] <bullgard4> rww: I cannot be online at  that time because I have an obligation in a social project in real live in my home town. Reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda, I did not understand  i.) Are these meeting public onlin? ii.) Where do they meet in cyberspace iii.) Can I make an agenda proposal in advance to the next meeting on the coming sunday although I cannot take part?...
[06:02] <bullgard4> ...iv.) Can you explain what means the line 'Fixed Action Items' > Send meeting minutes to 'ubuntu-irc mailing list'?
[06:03] <rww> bullgard4: i) yes, see irclogs.ubuntu.com ii) #ubuntu-meeting, iii) that wouldn't be useful, since nobody agrees with you on the crossposting rule who will be attending afaik, iv) fixed action items are actions that take place every meeting
[06:03] <rww> you could email irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com instead if you wanted them to go over it with you outside of a meeting, I guess
[06:09] <bullgard4> rww: Thank you very much for your information.. I need more time to think the matter over. At this moment I am sympathetic to email irc-council at lists.ubuntu.com at some later date.
[06:30] <IdleOne> bullgard4: if there is nothing else please don't idle in this channel.
[06:31] <bullgard4> rww: I will leave now this channel.
[07:52] <ikonia> ignore
[07:53] <bazhang> now in #freenode
[07:53] <ikonia> yup
[07:55] <topyli> i think bullgard might be best served by writing a (good) email to the irc list with such policy change suggestions. if the team likes the suggestion, it might be easier to push through in a meeting
[07:55] <topyli> (not this particular suggestion though)
[07:55] <ikonia> nothing wrong with making a request
[07:56] <ikonia> I don't think allowing cross-posting for stable/non-stable in #ubuntu/+1 is a good suggestion personally either.
[07:56] <topyli> nope
[07:56] <bazhang> overturning the crossposting rule? is that even remotely likely to happen?
[07:56] <rww> no
[07:56] <ikonia> to be honest, I don't think it's a genuine request
[07:56] <ikonia> I think he's just trying to argue as he won't stop doing it
[07:56] <ikonia> I spoke to him a few times and he understand and said he's stop doing it,
[07:56] <topyli> bazhang: nope, i was just musing on the general idea of suggestions and how to best go about them
[07:57] <bazhang> topyli, ok thanks
[07:57] <topyli> ikonia: heh, more likely
[07:58] <ikonia> just my opinion, he's finally got busted, so he's trying to argue it
[08:17] <bazhang> s0126h trolling ##linux earlier seems similar now
[08:19] <ikonia> thanks bazhang
[08:19] <ikonia> his last question/comment seems to confirm that too
 does linux run better on intel or amd   etc etc etc
[08:20] <ikonia> yeah, I saw it
 Hello all. I am a new user to Ununtu, and need some help, anyone free?
[08:27] <bazhang> huh?
[08:27] <rww> Amaranth1 != Amaranth
[08:27] <ikonia> 09:27 < Amaranth1> Hello all. I am a new user to Ununtu, and need some help,
[08:27] <ikonia> ahhh beat me to it
[08:27] <bazhang> yep odd though
[08:27] <rww> Not really. It's a word :)
[08:28] <Amaranth> heh
[08:28] <rww> Maybe both of them really like Nightwish :3
[08:28]  * rww runs
[08:28] <ikonia> they must be the only two
[08:29] <Amaranth> arg
[08:29] <elky> it's also a pretty purple crystal
[08:29] <Amaranth> stupid nightwish stealing my name
[08:29] <Amaranth> it means immortal, leave me alone :P
[08:30] <rww> so what you're saying is you can't be /killed
[08:30] <bazhang> :0
[08:30] <elky> hah
[08:30] <elky> it's also a type of grain
[08:55] <rww> ikonia: recently unvoiced in #defocus for chatting about the same thing, btw.
[08:56] <ikonia> ta, he's had his warning
[08:56] <ikonia> netsplitting has messed up my channel list again
[08:57] <ikonia> rww: just hit ##slackware with it despite being told not to
[09:44] <pythonsnake> Hello
[09:44] <rww> hi
[09:45] <pythonsnake> Can I get an unban for #ubuntu ?
[09:51] <pythonsnake> Could I get an unban for the channel #ubuntu please ?
[09:52] <bazhang> pythonsnake, why were you banned in the first place
[09:52] <pythonsnake> because of bad helping and mocking
[09:52] <pythonsnake> I'm sorry
[09:55] <pythonsnake> does that mean a "no" ?
[09:55] <LjL> pythonsnake: he's probably just looking up things in the logs
[10:06] <pythonsnake> ah ok
[10:06] <bazhang> pythonsnake, lets be 100% clear on this
[10:07] <bazhang> if there is a continuance of the past mocking/bad advice etc the ban will be much longer term
[10:08] <bazhang> pythonsnake, please read the code of conduct and the guidelines for the ubuntu channels
[10:08] <bazhang> !coc | pythonsnake
[10:08] <bazhang> !guidelines | pythonsnake
[10:16] <pythonsnake> ok
[10:19] <pythonsnake> bazhang: I won't do it again
[10:20] <LjL> pythonsnake: see if you can rejoin
[10:21] <pythonsnake> Thank you & have a nice day
[10:29] <pythonsnake> Hello
[10:29] <ikonia> pythonsnake: sorry, that was totally my fault
[10:29] <pythonsnake> ikonia banned me for ban dodging
[10:29] <pythonsnake> ah okay
[10:29] <ikonia> it was totally my mistake, very sorry, please re-join with appologies
[10:29] <pythonsnake> No problem
[10:30] <ikonia> thank you
[10:30] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you're welcome to leave this channel, again with applogies
[10:31] <pythonsnake> ?
[10:31] <pythonsnake> why
[10:31] <ikonia> because there is a no idle rule in this channel, as you know.
[10:31] <LjL> pythonsnake: people are not supposed to idle here
[10:31] <pythonsnake> ah this channel? SOrry
[10:35] <ikonia> (sorry chaps) he joined with a different nick and changed to his other nick as I came back to my desk, didn't see LjL remove the ban
[11:06] <elky> o.O
[11:06] <elky> Because the first thing that comes to mind when someone says "linux from scratch" is ubuntu...
[11:07] <ikonia> I didn't help him in LFS ans he was just spamming the channel with
[11:07] <ikonia> 12:04 < firas> Kernel.org is down so i cant install some packages
[11:07] <ikonia> 12:04 < firas> Kernel.org is down so i cant install some packages
[11:07] <ikonia> etc
[11:07] <ikonia> over and over again
[11:07] <ikonia> and he's just rejoined and started again so I'll ban him
[11:08] <ikonia> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/chapter03/packages.html
[11:08] <ikonia> the book even gives him the urls
[11:08] <ikonia> he's not going to get very far....
[11:08] <elky> mhm
[11:11] <jrib> so backtrack logs you in as root and the irc channel bans root as ident... that's somewhat amusing...
[11:12] <rww> I find it hilarious, personally.
[11:12] <ikonia> jrib: that's changed in the currect dev release.
[11:12] <ikonia> (so obviously a target for the next release)
[18:27] <oCean> was pythonsnake's ban removed?
[18:27] <oCean> It seems he's still ban dodging, right?
[18:28] <IdleOne> last i checked it was removed
[18:28] <IdleOne> this is about 12-15 hours ago
[18:28] <oCean> hm, by LjL apparently?
[18:28] <IdleOne> hmm maybe a little less, more like 8 hours ago
[18:29] <oCean> but BT says ikonia removed him for ban dodging, after that
 (sorry chaps) he joined with a different nick and changed to his other nick as I came back to my desk, didn't see LjL remove the ban
[18:30] <oCean> aah, ok
[18:32] <oCean> IdleOne: thanks. Let's see how that goes
[19:36] <ikonia> daddy_ pm'ing me with abuse
[19:37] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu daddy_ tried to talk to stop in channel abuse, responded with pm abuse
[23:57] <bazhang> check Logan_ 's quit message? excessive, or OK
[23:57]  * rww shrugs