[00:01] <lynxman> smoser: one of the AWS guys openly praised cloud-init in an awesome talk at puppetconf, thought you would like to hear it
[00:01] <smoser> :)
[00:01] <smoser> cool
[00:39] <gibbs> Hi. I've used rsync to copy over Maildir email accounts to a new server. Will email clients re-download emails from the new server? I am not too clued up on email
[00:49] <patdk-lap> gibbs, that depends on many things
[00:49] <patdk-lap> what server do you use?
[00:50] <gibbs> ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[00:50] <patdk-lap> doesn't sound like an email server to me, but an os
[00:50] <gibbs> I'm just concerned clients are going to get flooded with old email
[00:50] <gibbs> oh sorry lol, its late
[00:50] <gibbs> dovecot
[00:50] <gibbs> and postfix MTA
[00:51] <patdk-lap> and the old server was using?
[00:52] <gibbs> the same
[00:52] <patdk-lap> then as long as you copied all the dovecot.* files, and configure it the same your ok
[00:52] <patdk-lap> http://wiki.dovecot.org/Migration
[00:52] <Jasonn> qman__: You around?
[00:52] <patdk-lap> you need the UID's to stay consistant
[00:52] <gibbs> ah that's ideal. thanks for the lead patdk-lap.
[00:53] <patdk-lap> ya, that is for non-dovecot to dovecot though
[00:53] <patdk-lap> don't see a dovecot to dovecot one, cause I think it's assumed you read the manual :)
[00:53] <patdk-lap> but it's simple :)
[00:54] <gibbs> i haven't encountered any problems. just on the look out for "gotchas" :)
[00:54] <patdk-lap> ya, I converted all my maildir's to mdbox
[00:54] <patdk-lap> and was forced to redo all my uid's
[00:55] <gibbs> yeah I had to do that but vice-versa at one stage
[01:06] <jseongtae76__> Hello, everyone
[01:06] <jseongtae76__> My, apparmor.d has a problem
[01:07] <jseongtae76__> I was change mysql directory
[01:07] <jseongtae76__> error message is .: 35: Can't open /lib/apparmor/functions
[01:12] <Jasonn> do you have permission to open it?
[01:12] <Jasonn> jseongtae76__: ^
[01:12] <Jasonn> qman__: You around man?
[01:17] <jseongtae76__> Jason, Do you want die?
[01:17] <jseongtae76__> Jason, Hey, comeon
[01:17] <jseongtae76__> Jason, Hey, come on
[01:18] <jseongtae76__> Jason, hey, fucker
[01:18] <jseongtae76__> Jason, hey come on yo
[01:18] <jseongtae76__> Jason, fucker bye
[01:27] <Jasonn> uhh
[01:27] <Jasonn> saving HIS ip
[08:43] <koolhead17> hi all
[09:44] <Dulcin> How are the rights a user has when using SFTP set?
[12:06] <wooy> Hi, I dont have ubuntu question, rather server hw oriented. My favourite bittorrent tracker just announced they are going to buy new server for $14,000. It seems pretty expensive, considering they are serving (not more than) 200,000 users. They run only tracker, website and forum. Lot of small http requests and no big data transfers. Is it reasonable price?
[12:08] <Dulcin> no its not
[12:08] <Dulcin> 200,000 active users?
[12:10] <wooy> 200k registered users, i think they wont have more than 150k active users.
[12:16] <Dulcin> well its hard to say, but they can buy a reasonable server for 14k
[12:16] <Dulcin> so perhaps they expect to grow
[12:25] <wooy> Well maybe, from what i can say, there is not much space to grow. They are getting in performance troubles just once a day in the highest peak, and thus they decided to buy new server (just for the peak). I am wondering if they took a look at amazon web services or similar...
[12:42] <Dulcin> well it makes sense if your server cannot handle it you are going to buy a new service
[12:42] <Dulcin> and amazon's web services aren't all that either
[12:44] <Dulcin> why is it a problem
[12:44] <Dulcin> are they asking to donate?
[12:45] <Dulcin> that's about $0.10 per active user
[12:45] <Dulcin> not bad :)
[12:51] <wooy> Ive just read that admin is thinking of blade server from IBM. Yeah they ask to donate and I could get rid of feeling he's going to buy the server and new car for him  as a bonus :D
[12:51] <Dulcin> :) maybe so, but who cares if they are the guys keeping the community running?
[12:52] <Dulcin> 14k for a blade server seems fair btw
[12:53] <wooy> Anyway, he sells 1 year subscription for $1. What price is that? If he set  it bit higher he could earn fortunate and new server... :)
[12:54] <Dulcin> well if there's 150k active users, with 150k a year he should be able to afford it easily :)
[12:54] <Dulcin> and his new car, salary and house :P
[12:55] <wooy> right?! :D
[12:55] <Dulcin> but is he reselling something?
[12:55] <Dulcin> maybe he loses a lot in data traffic
[12:56] <Dulcin> because 1$ per user is not that much taken over a year
[12:56] <wooy> reselling what for example? He pays approximately $1200 for internet connection.
[12:58] <wooy> Well no one would blame him to rise the price above $5. For some reason, he doesnt want to.
[12:58] <Dulcin> users are more easily convinced to register for 1$
[13:01] <wooy> I know, but if i were the admin i would not try to get as much users as i can, but rather as much profit as i can.
[13:01] <wooy> Well i guess he got his reasons... Thx for the chat.
[13:38] <sampiale> Hello
[16:43] <padhu> MiniHOWTO is needed for simple & easy mail server configuration on ubuntu 10.04 for private LAN
[16:43] <ikonia> padhu: please don't cross-post, I've already responded in #ubuntu with help
[16:44] <padhu> ikonia: sure, but it is server, That's why :-)
[16:45] <ikonia> padhu: sure, but I've already responded with help, so no need to cross-post it
[16:46] <padhu> okey...
[16:47] <padhu> ikonia: Is iti suitable for LAN network. My need is 15 to 100 users, 2MB attachment. That's all
[16:47] <ikonia> yes
[16:47] <padhu> what is the combination?
[18:56] <creatorbri> Question: My server was hacked a few days ago and a large volume of data appears to have been downloaded, based on Linode activity logs. Is there some way to figure out what was actually downloaded?
[19:23] <qman__> creatorbri, not with any certainty
[19:23] <qman__> if they used HTTP it may still be in the logs, but otherwise, it's probably unlogged
[19:26] <qman__> proper auditing is resource heavy, so it's not usually set up
[20:01] <creatorbri> qman: thanks
[20:28] <Daviey> smoser: around?
[20:29] <tarvid> i want to build a vm like my Ubuntu 10.4.3 web server which I can hand to coients for use to backup and as a sandbox for their websites
[20:29] <tarvid> current thought is virtualbox 256MB 4.7GB disk 32bit
[20:30] <tarvid> Does that make sense?
[20:31] <tarvid> the goal is to run on the most ubiquitous host machine
[21:52] <vilho> does anyone have an explanation why pppd throws up these errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/696353/ - I'm using version 11.04 (32 bit)
[21:54] <KM0201> well, it looks like its saying /dev/ppp does not exist
[21:54] <spacechicken> hi - I'm trying to install 10.04 server. I keep getting a setup failed error on the set up users step. Can anyone help with that?
[21:55] <efxhoy> describe your problem?
[22:00] <KM0201> you're getting a "failed" on setting up users?... .thats a first
[22:06] <spacechicken> yeah - I've spent a fair bit of time getting the partition table all set up (RAID, LVM, the lot) and now I keep getting this error
[22:06] <spacechicken> I am asked if I want to set up shadow passwords, then root user config, then normal user config then it fails out with a red screen
[22:06] <spacechicken> then drops me back to the main menu
[22:07] <KM0201> root user config?.. are you installing ubuntu server?
[22:08] <spacechicken> I've tried using and not using shadow passwords, allowing and not allowing root user login, creating and not creating normal users - all the same result
[22:08] <spacechicken> I am installing ubuntu server
[22:08] <KM0201> i dunno, i'd say you'r edoing something wrong
[22:10] <spacechicken> any idea what?
[22:17] <efxhoy> im no pro but why don't you finish the install with just one user and add more users later?
[22:22] <spacechicken> If I could get past that step I would
[22:23] <efxhoy> faulty install media maybe?
[22:44] <DeltaEpsilon> how do I create an admin account on my ubutnu serber?
[22:44] <DeltaEpsilon> server
[22:45] <koolhead17> DeltaEpsilon: ?
[22:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> koolhead17:  he needs to create a user and give them sudo access
[22:45] <TheEvilPhoenix> (to translate into Linux-speak)
[22:46] <koolhead17> DeltaEpsilon: man sudoers and then do changes in /etc/sudoers
[22:46] <koolhead17> :D
[22:46] <koolhead17> TheEvilPhoenix: :D
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> koolhead17:  he's not sure of how to add the users  though
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> he's probly a CLI newbie or smth
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> or just doesnt know enough CLI
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> tbpfh
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> i dont even know the syntax offhand
[22:47] <TheEvilPhoenix> they'll need a guiding hand ;P
[22:47] <koolhead17> TheEvilPhoenix: in that case should not jump to servers :D
[22:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> koolhead17:  +1
[22:48] <TheEvilPhoenix> in any case, they need help ;P
[22:48]  * TheEvilPhoenix is busy fixing KDE so meh
[22:48]  * koolhead17 loves kde
[22:48] <Pici> DeltaEpsilon: just drop the user into the admin group to grant them sudo access.
[22:49] <koolhead17> hey Pici
[22:49] <DeltaEpsilon> is it a good idea to use svn for backup purpose?
[22:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> no
[22:50] <DeltaEpsilon> why?
[22:50] <koolhead17> Daviey: am going to trouble you in understanding role based access control in case am stuck, #openstack
[22:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> never use version control systems for backups, in my opinion
[22:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> always make physical backups
[22:50] <DeltaEpsilon> why not? it is good to have sevral verison so you can nroll back
[22:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> either .tars or actual clones of the system
[22:50] <DeltaEpsilon> easily!
[22:50] <TheEvilPhoenix> DeltaEpsilon:  svn is inherently insecure
[22:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> you know, i'm too busy to explain, but IMHO you should never use version control for backups
[22:51] <DeltaEpsilon> TheEvilPhoenix, svn over ssh is secure
[22:51] <koolhead17> DeltaEpsilon: man rsync
[22:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> its too much like Windows
[22:51] <TheEvilPhoenix> which is a crappy system as it is
[22:52] <DeltaEpsilon> TheEvilPhoenix, what do you think? svn over ssh
[22:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> i told you my opinions
[22:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> btw, trying to change my opinion wont help you
[22:52] <TheEvilPhoenix> it'll just annoy me ;P
[22:53] <koolhead17> gudnyt guys!!
[22:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> if you 100% tunnel your connection via SSH then MAYBE
[22:53] <efxhoy> is it possible to clone a running system with dd? I've done it from a live-cd but never from inside the running system. I used dd then
[22:53] <TheEvilPhoenix> but only use an svn server you run yourself
[23:18] <DeltaEpsilon> just bought a vps 50GB storage for 5usd a mmonth
[23:18] <DeltaEpsilon> too cheap?
[23:24] <mfranz> exit
[23:49] <DeltaEpsilon> svn over ssh is really slow