[00:27] <sammm> OMG I get so much motion sickness from staring at Lara Crofts arse. :(
[00:28] <sammm> I can't play this game without feeling queezy. :(
[02:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Unity Lenses and Books - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/24/unity-lenses-and-books/
[07:20] <togster> iostat
[08:10] <jacobw> morning
[08:11] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:12] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:12] <czajkowski> AlanBell: word of warning on the cask
[08:12] <czajkowski> the seats are heated
[08:12] <czajkowski> dear gods it gets hot in there
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> eww?
[08:13] <AlanBell> the bench seats you mean?
[08:13] <czajkowski> yeah
[08:13] <czajkowski> and they get pipping hot
[08:13] <czajkowski> place wasn't nearly as full as thursday night
[08:14]  * AlanBell is cool as a cucumber
[08:14] <czajkowski> arrived at 6:30 we had a table booked for about 8 of us
[08:14] <czajkowski> had a lot of the passion fruit beer
[08:14] <czajkowski> and dear gods their burgers are to die for
[08:14] <AlanBell> what was the occasion?
[08:15] <czajkowski> jon was meeting up with some ex mates in RH, 2 now work in canonical on kernel team, few more came from google, and then there was me
[08:15] <czajkowski> right frenchies v kiwis
[08:31] <popey> is there an easy way to tell if you're on unity 3d or 2d in 11.10?
[08:34] <czajkowski> hmmm
[08:34] <czajkowski> without logging out I'm not sure
[08:34] <czajkowski> sorry
[09:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Annoy bug reports - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/annoy-bug-reports/
[09:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Why I love to meet more Ubuntu People - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/why-i-love-to-meet-more-ubuntu-people/
[09:18] <AlanBell> popey: if the launcher is black it is 2d, if it is dark aubergine it is 3d
[09:20] <popey> is there a way to programmatically tell though?
[09:20] <popey> like a particular process running?
[09:21] <AlanBell> dunno
[09:21] <AlanBell> if onboard can type in the dash, it is 2d
[09:21] <popey> heh
[09:21] <AlanBell> if orca says every application is called "button" then it is 2d
[09:21] <AlanBell> if orca says nothing then it is 3d
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:26] <AlanBell> the cern result looks pretty solid to me, just been going over some of the figures :)
[09:27] <swat_> unity 2d is pretty sweet on my netbook
[09:30] <AlanBell> ooooooh someone fixed the button button bug
[09:32] <jacobw> the cern result is.. suprising
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> negative mass.
[09:34] <AlanBell> I think they measured the distance wrong
[09:35] <AlanBell> but I can't see where
[09:36] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks for the CDs the other night, brought them to work and 2 of the lads took some
[09:37] <AlanBell> gah, half arsed fix to Bug #851694
[09:43] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: that is almost plausible!
[09:44] <AlanBell> I think they have established that the square of the mass of a neutrino can't be zero, therefore they have mass
[09:44] <AlanBell> could be negative though
[10:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Why the CC - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/24/why-the-cc/
[11:04] <AI__> anyone free here?
[11:04] <MartijnVdS> !ask
[11:06] <AI__> for a non ubuntu related question just life advice
[11:08] <AlanBell> IRC is traditionally the place to ask questions of people who have a life :)
[11:18] <popey> I won the lottery!
[11:18] <popey> properly
[11:18] <popey> 5.20GBP!
[11:18] <bigcalm> Nice one
[11:20]  * popey promises this wont change his life
[11:29] <bigcalm> AlanBell: have or haven't?
[11:35] <AI__> Is the concorde expected to fly for the Olympics?
[11:42] <AlanBell> no
[11:46] <windmill> rather good this oneiric, looking pretty slick already
[11:56] <danfish> chicken!
[11:57] <danfish> !chicken
[11:57] <jacobw> yes?
[11:57] <bigcalm> Bok bok
[11:57] <danfish> chicken? is it you?
[11:59] <danfish> hope everyone is enjoying this rather fine weather
[11:59] <penguin42> fine weather? Where?
[11:59] <bigcalm> Overcast here
[12:00] <StevenR> grey here
[12:00] <danfish> ah - my bad - SW Londinium
[12:00] <AlanBell> chickens \o/
[12:01] <jacobw> overcast here :(
[12:01] <bigcalm> Banana!
[12:01] <jacobw> +=rama
[12:02]  * StevenR wonders what all this talk of chickens is
[12:02] <danfish> AlanBell: with your new found appraisal of the neutrino/faster then light debate, which came first? the chicken or the egg?
[12:08] <danfish> StevenR: AlanBell has ported ubuntu to run in a chicken's brain ;)
[12:08] <bigcalm> Heh
[12:11] <AlanBell> danfish: the answer is still neither the chicken or the egg
[12:11] <danfish> the unity interface now is beak/peck enabled
[12:11] <AlanBell> you need to get a henhouse and run first or they will be eaten by a fox
[12:12] <danfish> AlanBell: true - quantum entanglement precludes either option in the chicken/egg debate, but the real answer - dinosaur
[12:12] <AlanBell> yup, they are dinosaurs
[12:12] <AlanBell> tasty little dinosaurs
[12:14] <bigcalm> QIXL tonight \o/
[12:14] <jacobw> :D
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Who tonight \o/
[12:20] <bigcalm> Only 2 eps left
[12:20] <bigcalm> And no companions?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Apparently the guy from last year is coming back this episode
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> the not-funny one
[12:21] <bigcalm> Who?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> the one from that episode with the tardis on the rood
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> roof
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> James Corden
[12:22] <bigcalm> Oh no
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> exactly.
[12:22] <bigcalm> Do not want
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> I hope it's just for one episode
[12:23] <bigcalm> It will be the death of the show if it isn't
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> I much prefer Amy ;)
[12:26] <bigcalm> Doesn't everybody?
[12:26] <bigcalm> It weirds me out somehow that sheis 24
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> why?
[12:34] <bigcalm> Dunno, just does
[12:41] <gord> pfft, i said that about catherine tate, apprently everyone loves terrible people in dr who
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> gord: Catherine Tate WAS horrible
[12:41] <MartijnVdS> (at least in Dr Who, don't know her other things)
[12:42] <gord> dr who is the thing she is least terrible in
[12:42] <gord> so that should give you some idea
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> *shudder*
[12:43]  * bigcalm nods
[12:44] <gord> but yeah, the co-star of "lesbian  vampire killers" apprently being in dr who now, does not make me want to catch up. stopped watching it a year or two ago
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> gord: only in two episodes
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> gord: with any luck he'll be dying in this one too
[12:46] <bigcalm> \o
[12:46] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just watch the trailer :)
[12:47] <bigcalm> Na, I avoid all teasers
[12:47] <bigcalm> Including the 'next time' bits at the end of the show
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> Ooh, F1 Quali
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> in a few minutes
[12:48] <bigcalm> That might be worth watching
[13:26] <sammm> HazRPG: Having no internet is the worst thing to ever happen to my life :'(
[13:26] <MartijnVdS> sammm: that bad, really?
[13:27] <HazRPG> sammm: Hmm, sounds like you need another hobby then ^_^
[13:27] <HazRPG> I can live quite happily without internet for weeks/months
[13:27] <HazRPG> however, when I do get back on... I tend to spend most of the time trying to catch up on what I missed :P
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> as long as I get my email
[13:27] <sammm> No online gaming, no porn, no Wikipedia, no news, no free TV/films/music, no talking to anybody, etc
[13:27] <sammm> MartijnVdS: Yes, for the reasons I've just specified
[13:27] <sammm> HazRPG: Wi-Fi hacking maybe?
[13:27] <sammm> HazRPG: Lucky you
[13:28] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Yeah I agree, e-mail is probably the thing I check the most - sadly a lot of people don't though :(
[13:29] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I know a lot of people that don't see the importance in having an e-mail address, especially since the recent boom of social networking
[13:29] <MartijnVdS> yeah that's weird :)
[13:30]  * MartijnVdS remebers having a Fidonet email address
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> I have to say most of my email is notifications
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> "Package on its way"
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> "Bug has been commented on"
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[13:40] <shauno> mine's about the same, but I'd still rather not do without it
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> People at work need to learn how to use it though
[13:41] <shauno> automated cruft, more lists than is sensible, and maybe 4 people that still use it as a form of communication
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> (especially writing understandable emails..)
[13:43] <shauno> quoting is my big gripe for work emails.  quote etoo much, and I've no idea what you're talking about.  quote too little, and I still have no idea
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> At work people just "MS-Quote"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> i.e. don't remove anything, write new content above
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> *hate*
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> Also subjects like "Question"
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> GAH
[13:45] <shauno> that's pretty much the default for Notes too. Drives me nuts, because my preferred style is to reply inline
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> I've given up
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> people actually mailed me telling me they didn't understand proper quoting
[13:46] <AlanBell> shauno: harder to edit in a collapsed section too
[13:46] <AlanBell> I like to reply inline if appropriate and trim the stuff I don't want
[13:46] <AlanBell> or just reply without history
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> I want gmail's interface for "normal" IMAP servers
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> so I can use it for work mail :)
[13:47] <jacobw> I usually reply without history, they know what they mailed about :|
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> because in gmail works great
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> +it
[13:48] <AlanBell> back when I was teaching people how to use email I told them that reply with history is only for when you are adding a new person to the cc list and you want to give them context
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I get mail like that sometimes, it's even worse :)
[13:49] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: "Please fix this issue with the software" <thread of 20 emails describing/finding the bug, in reverse order>
[13:49] <jacobw> People leave their brains at the login screen and anything different from the default behaviour is worrying for them.
[13:49] <AlanBell> fundamentally, email is rubbish
[13:49] <jacobw> IRC ftw :D
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Invent somethign better :)
[13:50] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: I think that's how we got Wave..
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: even fewer people understood how that works
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> I've done collaborative Google Docs things
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> that works
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> but that's not good for (say) helpdesk queries
[13:55] <AlanBell> there are many many helpdesk applications
[13:56] <AlanBell> because everyone who has ever worked on one and can code a bit has written one
[13:56] <AlanBell> even those who can't code a bit
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> sure, but Google Docs/collaborative document editing isn't the best help desk interface :)
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> We use RT at work
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> for internal stuff
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> no idea what's used for customer-to-helpdesk stuff
[13:59] <jacobw> I suggested using a request tracker at work and was told to set up a sharepoint site :|
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: ...
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Where I work everyone uses it
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> except the people who need it most (the unix sysadmins)
[14:00] <jacobw> RT?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> F1 \o/
[15:12] <MartijnVdS> ooh! tomorrow - http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b015d4qz
[15:26] <penguin42> Freeview ch 11 'pick tv' seems to be showing the original 1st futurama series
[15:27] <penguin42> which given this cold is about the right type of tv
[15:34] <AlanBell> Laney: MooDoo: other Notts peeps: how does Thursday 3rd November grab you for a Nottingham Happy Hour?
[15:34] <Laney> UDS
[15:35] <AlanBell> excellent point!
[15:35] <Laney> :-)
[15:36] <AlanBell> Thursday 10th?
[15:44] <Laney> yeah, could work
[15:44] <Laney> want to email nlug to gauge interest?
[15:45] <AlanBell> that would be great
[16:55] <gord> oops, i clicked on a thing in banshee, time to crash!
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: you didn't apt-get upgrade while it was running did you?
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> gord: because that triggers 400% CPU crashiness for Laney and me
[16:58] <Laney> i don't think it's that reliable
[16:58] <gord> no, banshee is just crap
[16:59] <gord> and they removed the u1 store from rb so i have to use it
[16:59] <Laney> ho boy, I hope trolling applications never stops being fun
[17:00] <gord> and it crashed again
[17:04] <gord> okay i give up, i won't buy music, that was obviously what i did wrong
[18:09] <MartijnVdS> Doctortime!
[18:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[18:10] <czajkowski> gord: why do you persist in using banshee, it results in a rant on here on how broken it is
[18:10] <MartijnVdS> if only he filed bugs..
[19:38] <zleap> hi all
[19:39] <jacobw> hi
[19:39] <zleap> how are u
[19:41] <jacobw> eating ravioli and reading about snort
[19:42] <jacobw> that's my rock and roll saturday evening :|
[19:46]  * AlanBell updates http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/
[19:51] <Laney> 10/10 → 10/11 ?
[19:52]  * AlanBell updates again
[19:52] <Laney> wowzers, a peterborough one
[19:53] <Laney> and another nottingham? you spoil me
[19:53] <Laney> the crown is about 3 minutes from my house
[19:53] <AlanBell> well they are all places that have been proposed
[19:53] <AlanBell> and I jumbled the order a bit
[19:53] <AlanBell> not random
[19:54] <AlanBell> I was thinking of drawing a rude picture with the path, but I managed to restrain myself from that
[19:55] <Laney> the Debian swirl yeah?
[19:56] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/happyhour.pdf
[19:57] <AlanBell> that is the poster I stuck on the Fridge in Canonical
[19:57] <Laney> close
[19:58] <AlanBell> would like one over in Northern Ireland really
[19:58] <AlanBell> dunno if we have anyone in Belfast
[20:29] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:29] <czajkowski> only folks I know in NI are on the -ie team
[20:29] <czajkowski> sladen: good to see you if only briefly the other evening
[20:30] <zleap> anyone up in or near cullompton, devon
[20:51] <ball> What version of the Linux kernel impacted power management/battery life?
[20:52] <ali1234> 2.6.*
[20:52] <ball> Thanks, that'll explain his battery issue.
[20:54] <Monotoko> ....
[20:57] <AlanBell> ,,,,
[20:58] <bigcalm> ...---...
[21:34] <reaper4334> anyone set up a custom plymouth boot splash? I tried following the guide linked to on the ubuntu wiki but it didn't work :(
[23:08] <sammm> Heyyyyy guyz
[23:09] <sammm> I just met my house mate
[23:10] <penguin42> is that unusual?
[23:12] <sammm> He might even become my favourite house mate
[23:15] <sammm> I think I have a house mate for competitive PC gaming, a house mate for drinking and a house mate for musicing. :)
[23:17] <sammm> And I have 2 for smoking
[23:18] <sammm> But one of them smokes better than the other
[23:45] <sammm> Can I boost Wi-Fi signal range by taping the atenna as high up on the wall as possible?
[23:52] <sammm1> Well I've blutacked my Wi-Fi adaptor as high up the wall as possible
[23:52] <sammm1> I don't think it's made much difference :(
[23:53] <ball> Yay!  BluTak!
[23:53] <sammm1> LOL it fell down the first time
[23:53] <sammm1> Actually, my connection seems almost better than dialup ATM :)
[23:53] <sammm1> I just downloaded a photograph of a fit ginger 15 year old girl.
[23:59] <sammm> Damn, it fell down again
[23:59] <sammm> But I've just applied three times as much blu-tak and pushed it down extra hard
[23:59] <sammm> So I doubt it'll fall down this time :)