[07:01] valorie: Did you hear about Windows 8 and the UEFI boot thing? [07:01] oh god yes [07:02] could cause issues for Linux [07:02] it WILL cause issues [07:02] if OEM's are forced to make UEFI hardware then Linux is kinda hit [07:02] not only for us [07:02] but for Windows users too [07:02] why? [07:02] they won't be able to replace a video card! [07:02] I thought it will only effect Linux [07:02] etc. [07:02] no [07:02] oh [07:03] yeah but its a win for OEM's and Microsoft [07:03] MS will be fine [07:03] OEM's get more hardware sales [07:03] only untill people need to replace some hardware [07:03] and MS gets to slowdown linux growth by making hardware options limited [07:03] then they are um..... effed [07:03] yeah [07:04] OEMs will be hurt by the backlash too [07:04] imho when I get wind of OEM's implementing this I will buy the newest non UEFI laptop I can and hope it lasts a long time [07:04] yeah [07:04] can you imagine buying a box where you could NOT get root? [07:04] ever? [07:04] idk they will still have to do something because even the server market would be effected [07:04] and I dont see Google moving to Windows :P [07:04] or any thousand other companies [07:05] dunno what's going to happen [07:05] but it looks like I won't be paying the windows tax again [07:05] lol :P [07:05] anyways looks like I get to design some more shirts for Ocelot release [07:06] Eucalyptus has agreed to sponsor a box of shirts [07:06] anyways valorie puppetconf was intense [07:06] people were major trolling Canonical [07:07] and even one breakout session Canonical held got intense for a bit some guy asked some serious questions and Canonical's people kinda struggled [07:08] well, Mark has gone out on a few major limbs [07:08] I sort of don't pay attention to a lot of it because I use Kubuntu [07:08] don't deal with Unity and/or Gnome3 [07:08] except on the community level [07:09] yeah :) [07:12] bottom line: it's his money [07:12] we either go along or we don't [07:12] so far, so good for me [07:12] yeah [07:12] but I'm active in KDE as well as Kubuntu and my Loco [07:13] I think though when Community Council members are blogging negatively about the state of things and such that its not so good [07:13] :P [07:13] if Kubuntu stops being a fun community and Kub. stops being the best KDE distro [07:13] I'll find a better place to be [07:13] there is some definate weird things... A Canonical employee in London who has contributed for 5 years was denied membership [07:13] =/ [07:14] Mark's not in my corner, and i'm not in his [07:14] :D [07:14] Tux is in my corner [07:14] :P [07:14] right [07:14] I believe in freedom [07:14] yep [07:14] and responsibility -- so I'm giving back [07:15] Right now the Ubuntu community is as close to that as it gets for me [07:15] :D [07:15] I just think certain things could be improved but honestly do not feel there is much of a way for members or contributors to have a stake in the decision process [07:16] well, come to UDS [07:16] get an a board [07:16] yes, we do have some influence [07:16] but when Mark decides something, and fights it out with people, and makes the final decision [07:16] that's is [07:16] it's his money [07:17] Yeah but its generally financially unfeasible for a contributor to pay to go to UDS just to have a say.... Even the Canonical employees at PuppetConf said they agree [07:17] yeah true [07:17] :P [07:17] right, but I've been sponsored before [07:17] well I need sleep I have been doing PuppetConf all week from 5am to 11pm :P [07:18] sleep well [07:18] Yeah :) I hope in the next year or so I will apply for sponsorship to UDS [07:18] gnight [07:18] I sort of wish I had this time [07:18] but I didn't