[07:01] <bkerensa> valorie: Did you hear about Windows 8 and the UEFI boot thing?
[07:01] <valorie> oh god yes
[07:02] <bkerensa> could cause issues for Linux
[07:02] <valorie> it WILL cause issues
[07:02] <bkerensa> if OEM's are forced to make UEFI hardware then Linux is kinda hit
[07:02] <valorie> not only for us
[07:02] <valorie> but for Windows users too
[07:02] <bkerensa> why?
[07:02] <valorie> they won't be able to replace a video card!
[07:02] <bkerensa> I thought it will only effect Linux
[07:02] <valorie> etc.
[07:02] <valorie> no
[07:02] <bkerensa> oh
[07:03] <bkerensa> yeah but its a win for OEM's and Microsoft
[07:03] <valorie> MS will be fine
[07:03] <bkerensa> OEM's get more hardware sales
[07:03] <valorie> only untill people need to replace some hardware
[07:03] <bkerensa> and MS gets to slowdown linux growth by making hardware options limited
[07:03] <valorie> then they are um..... effed
[07:03] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:04] <valorie> OEMs will be hurt by the backlash too
[07:04] <bkerensa> imho when I get wind of OEM's implementing this I will buy the newest non UEFI laptop I can and hope it lasts a long time
[07:04] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:04] <valorie> can you imagine buying a box where you could NOT get root?
[07:04] <valorie> ever?
[07:04] <bkerensa> idk they will still have to do something because even the server market would be effected
[07:04] <bkerensa> and I dont see Google moving to Windows :P
[07:04] <bkerensa> or any thousand other companies
[07:05] <valorie> dunno what's going to happen
[07:05] <valorie> but it looks like I won't be paying the windows tax again
[07:05] <bkerensa> lol :P
[07:05] <bkerensa> anyways looks like I get to design some more shirts for Ocelot release
[07:06] <bkerensa> Eucalyptus has agreed to sponsor a box of shirts
[07:06] <bkerensa> anyways valorie puppetconf was intense
[07:06] <bkerensa> people were major trolling Canonical
[07:07] <bkerensa> and even one breakout session Canonical held got intense for a bit some guy asked some serious questions and Canonical's people kinda struggled
[07:08] <valorie> well, Mark has gone out on a few major limbs
[07:08] <valorie> I sort of don't pay attention to a lot of it because I use Kubuntu
[07:08] <valorie> don't deal with Unity and/or Gnome3
[07:08] <valorie> except on the community level
[07:09] <bkerensa> yeah :)
[07:12] <valorie> bottom line: it's his money
[07:12] <valorie> we either go along or we don't
[07:12] <valorie> so far, so good for me
[07:12] <bkerensa> yeah
[07:12] <valorie> but I'm active in KDE as well as Kubuntu and my Loco
[07:13] <bkerensa> I think though when Community Council members are blogging negatively about the state of things and such that its not so good
[07:13] <bkerensa> :P
[07:13] <valorie> if Kubuntu stops being a fun community and Kub. stops being the best KDE distro
[07:13] <valorie> I'll find a better place to be
[07:13] <bkerensa> there is some definate weird things... A Canonical employee in London who has contributed for 5 years was denied membership
[07:13] <bkerensa> =/
[07:14] <valorie> Mark's not in my corner, and i'm not in his
[07:14] <bkerensa> :D
[07:14] <bkerensa> Tux is in my corner
[07:14] <bkerensa> :P
[07:14] <valorie> right
[07:14] <valorie> I believe in freedom
[07:14] <bkerensa> yep
[07:14] <valorie> and responsibility -- so I'm giving back
[07:15] <bkerensa> Right now the Ubuntu community is as close to that as it gets for me
[07:15] <bkerensa> :D
[07:15] <bkerensa> I just think certain things could be improved but honestly do not feel there is much of a way for members or contributors to have a stake in the decision process
[07:16] <valorie> well, come to UDS
[07:16] <valorie> get an a board
[07:16] <valorie> yes, we do have some influence
[07:16] <valorie> but when Mark decides something, and fights it out with people, and makes the final decision
[07:16] <valorie> that's is
[07:16] <valorie> it's his money
[07:17] <bkerensa> Yeah but its generally financially unfeasible for a contributor to pay to go to UDS just to have a say.... Even the Canonical employees at PuppetConf said they agree
[07:17] <bkerensa> yeah true
[07:17] <bkerensa> :P
[07:17] <valorie> right, but I've been sponsored before
[07:17] <bkerensa> well I need sleep I have been doing PuppetConf all week from 5am to 11pm :P
[07:18] <valorie> sleep well
[07:18] <bkerensa> Yeah :) I hope in the next year or so I will apply for sponsorship to UDS
[07:18] <bkerensa> gnight
[07:18] <valorie> I sort of wish I had this time
[07:18] <valorie> but I didn't