[00:01] <charlie-tca> vbox or hardware?
[00:01] <charlie-tca> I never had that in all the tests I did
[00:08] <Unit193> Hardware
[00:09] <Unit193> Even though it may be too late, I added it to the qa tracker :/
[00:10] <charlie-tca> Okay
[00:10] <charlie-tca> That works
[00:10] <Unit193> You can see full info on hardware there (Listed it close to yours)
[00:10] <madnick> hm, i used the default virtualbox settings, and upgraded now (distribution update it told me) is it normal for it to take several hours? using default settings
[00:11] <madnick> Normally I give it some cores, and about 4GB of RAM
[00:11] <charlie-tca> you do update-manager -d or apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[00:11] <madnick> used the normal update manager 
[00:11] <madnick> from like 3 days old oneiric image
[00:12] <madnick> the GUI version
[00:12] <charlie-tca> update manager here depending on the machine can take between 6 and 18 hours
[00:12] <madnick> oh 
[00:12] <madnick> wow O_o i never knew it took at much time
[00:12] <Unit193> Never taken close to that long for me
[00:13] <charlie-tca> and I do it every milestone on both 32bit and 64bit
[00:14] <Unit193> 90 updates and 170+M to get and it took less than 20min
[00:14] <madnick> Its taken 2 hours now for me
[00:14] <madnick> and its at half for me
[00:14] <charlie-tca> yup
[00:14] <charlie-tca> it is a bit slow
[00:15] <madnick> Im one of those people that cannot really multitask well, when I got an install going, I want to almost sit and watch :P
[00:15] <charlie-tca> I just start the upgrades, and go to bed
[00:16] <Unit193> Takes too long for me to do that, I just end up forgetting about it
[00:16] <madnick> :)
[00:17]  * Unit193 has watched someone walk over, move the mouse, then I remember I have VBox running -_-
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Takes too long sitting in front of it, here.
[00:19] <madnick> oh there we go: "an error occured please run the package manager.."
[00:19] <charlie-tca> Especially when I do it every month or so
[00:19] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[00:20] <charlie-tca> open a terminal and run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' as separate commands
[00:20] <charlie-tca> The mirror might have got out of sync
[00:21]  * madnick can tell that its late, he turned of the computer instead of the vm
[00:21] <charlie-tca> heh, well, that makes it bad, doesn't it?
[00:21] <madnick> :P
[00:22] <madnick> It does indeed
[00:25] <madnick> acctually since i already spent this much time on it, i might as well get the newest image instead directly, which may be even faster then fixing this problem
[00:26] <charlie-tca> I would say probably is
[11:06] <Pjotr> Xubuntu 11.10 is going to be the best ever! I've been running it for some time now, and it's just great. Heck, even Linus Torvalds has turned to Xfce... :-)
[11:06] <Pjotr> You can count on me, to push it hard in the Dutch Ubuntu community. Spread the word!  :-)
[11:07] <Pjotr> Something else: I've discovered a strange error in garcon (newest version, which I got in the updates of today). When logged in using *Xfce* session, all is well: the Dutch translation is complete.
[11:07] <Pjotr> But when logged in using *Xubuntu* session, one string in garcon isn't translated! Namely the word "Accessories". See the relevant screenshots on my website: http://sites.google.com/site/computertip/schermafdruk
[11:07] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: can this be repaired?
[11:08] <mr_pouit> hey
[11:09] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: do you have gnome-menus installed?
[11:09] <mr_pouit> the default xubuntu menu file uses some categories from gnome-menus.
[11:10] <Pjotr> No, it's a vanilla Xubuntu 11.10....
[11:14] <mr_pouit> grmpf, it was installed for beta1, so somethign changed
[11:14] <mr_pouit> I'll add it back
[11:14] <Pjotr> Thanks! :-)
[11:16] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: try to install it, and you should have a translation then
[11:16] <Pjotr> OK. I suppose I have to reload X, so I'll quit now and be back in a few minutes
[11:19] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: Problem is fixed! I installed gnome-menus and then rebooted. All is fine now with garcon. :-)
[11:22] <Pjotr> Something else, not translation-related: somewhere during the last couple of updates, the lower panel has lost it's transparancy. I can't get it back...
[14:35] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:46] <madnick> morning :)
[14:52] <charlie-tca> User Days today in #ubuntu-classroom
[14:52] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/natty
[14:58] <charlie-tca> You will happy to hear that Ubuntu doesn't tell me "remove disk" either anymore.
[15:25] <madnick> charlie-tca: in plymouth? 
[15:26] <charlie-tca> yeah
[15:26] <madnick> but thats not true for xubuntu right? :]
[15:26] <charlie-tca> sure it is
[15:26] <madnick> oh
[15:26] <charlie-tca> I don't see the "remove the disk and hit enter" after installing from desktop cd's
[15:26] <madnick> Well, the messaging is there :/
[15:27] <charlie-tca> It isn't making it to the screen
[15:27] <madnick> but is plymouth shown?
[15:27] <madnick> when it happens
[15:27] <charlie-tca> plymouth gives me the throbber only
[15:27] <madnick> oh
[15:28] <charlie-tca> When plymouth shows fully, so does the remove message
[15:28] <madnick> Yeah, i think we previous had this problem too
[15:28] <charlie-tca> Yeah
[15:28] <madnick> seems to happen sometimes, a solution would be to redraw the screen
[15:28] <madnick> at an interval
[15:28] <charlie-tca> It might be something ubiquity is doing that is messing up the screens again
[15:30] <madnick> :(
[15:32] <charlie-tca> since it is happening in both Ubuntu and Xubuntu, it is something common to both on desktop cd installs
[15:35] <madnick> charlie-tca: what did Ubuntu do with plymouth appearance wise? (out of curiosity)
[15:36] <charlie-tca> nothing that I can see
[15:36] <madnick> oh
[15:36] <charlie-tca> dark background, flashing dots under Ubuntu
[15:36] <charlie-tca> plenty drab
[15:37] <charlie-tca> so many crashes when I logged in, it took about two minutes before I could even clear all the boxes
[15:39] <madnick> hehe, thats pretty not good .P
[15:40] <madnick> micahg wanted me to look at some bluetooth stuff
[15:40] <madnick> but I have not heard from him
[15:40] <madnick> I will be here for most of the day, but I might be afk in a bit, but just highlight me and i will see it
[15:42] <charlie-tca> yes, he wanted blueman tested, I think, from a ppa
[15:44] <charlie-tca> great... did a screen-reader install, 199 updates, can't get a Ubuntu desktop now
[15:44] <charlie-tca> errors found while checking the disk drive for /
[15:45] <charlie-tca> even better... drive for /tmp is missing
[15:45] <charlie-tca> should be / drive
[15:45] <charlie-tca> this is bad
[16:13] <charlie-tca> reinstalling Ubuntu
[20:38] <GridCube> good evenign people
[20:39] <charlie-tca> Good evening, GridCube 
[20:40] <GridCube> :) how are you today mister charlie-tca ?
[20:40] <GridCube> are there any test to be done today?
[20:40] <charlie-tca> Doing fine, sir. 
[20:40] <charlie-tca> images still the same as beta2, so no point running tests yet
[20:41] <GridCube> ok
[20:41] <GridCube> :)
[20:41] <GridCube> I've been working on my interface at work :P
[20:41] <charlie-tca> Good, I think
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Don't be getting in trouble.
[20:42] <GridCube> :D yes i think its good too
[20:42] <GridCube> nah, its a quiet place, a library whit not so many users :P
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:42] <GridCube> so i have lots of free time, except when im not XD
[20:43] <GridCube> s/im not/I don't
[20:45] <charlie-tca> I know that way of doing things
[22:51] <charlie-tca> Meeting tomorrow, 25 September, 22:00 UTC