[05:02] <ScottK> yofel: packagekit is not default.  Last I checked it was in Universe because Ubuntu wasn't using it either.
[05:07] <micahg> yep
[06:15] <micahg> ScottK: taking a look at kdesdk
[06:15] <ScottK> Cool.  Thanks.
[06:55] <micahg> ScottK: so, I was able to reproduce the failure, but the include file seems to not be in the distro, so I'm seeing what happens with it commented out
[06:55] <ScottK> OK.
[06:56] <ScottK> I'd check and see if it's in the shipped source.
[06:56] <ScottK> It might be generated and it's the generation that's failing for some reason.
[06:57] <micahg> yeah, it's needed, probably just the wrong file name
[07:02] <micahg> ScottK: your original hunch was correct, it's supposed to be generated, but it seems to not be
[07:03] <ScottK> Good luck.  I'm going to sleep now.
[07:03] <micahg> heh, thanks
[07:03] <micahg> and good night
[10:30] <bambee> morning
[12:56] <bambee> apachelogger: kubuntu-low-fat-settings does not work here
[12:57] <bambee> KDEDIRS does not contains /usr/share/kubuntu-low-fat-settings (the account used is new)
[14:06] <bambee> apachelogger: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat conflicts with /usr/bin/startkde -> startkde overrides KDEDIRS
[14:07] <bambee> at least here...
[14:13] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i'll have a go at that bug
[14:32] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ping ping
[14:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: if i download software-properties and run the kde excutable from there, everything works as expected
[15:09] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[15:09] <shadeslayer> agateau: Happy Birthday!!! 
[15:31] <pythonsnake> Hi
[15:39] <shadeslayer> hi pythonsnake
[15:39] <pythonsnake> Can I stay in the channel ?
[15:40] <pythonsnake> Or it is dev-only ?
[15:43] <shadeslayer> sure you can
[15:44] <pythonsnake> Cool
[15:44] <pythonsnake> How can I get 4.7.1 ?
[15:44] <pythonsnake> I've added backport but it's 4.7.0
[15:45] <shadeslayer> iirc 4.7.1 is in the staging ppa, let me check
[15:45] <Tm_T> ...and if it's in staging ppa, it's not available for users yet then (:
[15:45] <pythonsnake> :(
[15:46] <shadeslayer> true that, but i think yofel was waiting for one last tester before he could copy the packages over
[15:46] <pythonsnake> me !
[15:46] <pythonsnake> I wanna test
[15:46] <pythonsnake> Could I ?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging << WARNING : These might break your system since we're still testing them, please add test results to :  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging
[15:48] <pythonsnake> Break=Kernel Panic ?
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Break = KDE does not start/ Your configs might be messed up/ might kill kittens
[15:49] <pythonsnake> I think I could handle it as I've used to use ArchLinux
[15:50] <pythonsnake> I need to register right ?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: it shouldn't break anything because 2 people have tested it, but your configuration might be different, so can't say
[15:50] <shadeslayer> no
[15:50] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: read " Adding this PPA to your system"
[15:51] <pythonsnake> shadeslayer: for posting results
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:51] <shadeslayer> yes, you need to register on launchpad
[15:52] <pythonsnake> never done so :-)
[15:52] <pythonsnake> BTW, just curious, how can I get kubuntu cloak if there's one
[15:53] <shadeslayer> there's no kubuntu cloak, and k/ubuntu members get ubuntu irc cloaks
[15:53] <shadeslayer> !membership > pythonsnake
[15:54] <pythonsnake> Thanks
[15:54] <shadeslayer> sure, no problem :)
[15:54] <pythonsnake> I need to remove backport repo ?
[15:55] <pythonsnake> I'm honoured to be one of the first persons using 4.7.1 ( I guess) 
[15:55] <shadeslayer> uh .. no, should work
[15:55] <pythonsnake> :-)
[15:56] <pythonsnake> ?
[15:56] <pythonsnake> ah ok
[15:56] <shadeslayer> see, 4.7.1 > 4.7.0 , so the staging ppa should automatically superseed the backports ppa
[15:56] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: don't forget to remove the PPA after you upgrade, staging will contain unstable packages not meant for general consumption
[15:58]  * bambee_ is connected from kubuntu on his ac100
[15:59] <bambee_> it works just fine, seriously :D
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bambee_: ARM core?
[15:59] <bambee_> shadeslayer: yes (tegra 2)
[15:59] <bambee_> ;)
[15:59] <shadeslayer> ah kewl
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bambee_: how's the performance like?
[15:59] <bambee_> I built a rootfs
[15:59] <pythonsnake> bambee_: are you one of testers too ? :o
[15:59] <shadeslayer> bambee_: got a link for that?
[16:00] <bambee_> shadeslayer: actually 3D and video acceleration don't work yet on oneiric, but it do on natty
[16:00] <bambee_> (using L4T )
[16:00] <bambee_> and performance are great :D
[16:00] <shadeslayer> yeah, i saw that they have a new release
[16:00] <shadeslayer> but the rootfs they provide is natty
[16:01] <bambee_> yesterday I tried to show a 1080p movie, it was a terrible experience :D
[16:01] <shadeslayer> lol
[16:01] <bambee_> shadeslayer: oneiric is available
[16:01] <shadeslayer> i bet you don't have neon
[16:01] <bambee_> search on the wiki
[16:02] <shadeslayer> ah it is? i didn't search on the wiki yet
[16:02] <bambee_> + I built a rootfs for kubuntu , the rootfs found on the wiki is for ubuntu
[16:02] <pythonsnake> what is rootfs ?
[16:02] <pythonsnake> file system ?
[16:02] <bambee_> pythonsnake: yes
[16:02] <pythonsnake> bambee_: cool :-)
[16:03] <pythonsnake> How to generate random passwords ?
[16:05] <bambee_> shadeslayer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/TEGRA/AC100
[16:05] <pythonsnake> BTW, KDE is so great! Awesome works!
[16:05] <shadeslayer> yeah, thats what i was looking at myseld
[16:05] <shadeslayer> *myself
[16:05] <bambee_> shadeslayer: with kubuntu-low-fat-settings it's a just a dream :D
[16:05] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:06] <pythonsnake> low fat is impressive
[16:07] <shadeslayer> bambee_: pastebin /proc/cpuinfo plz
[16:09] <bambee_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/696743/
[16:09] <shadeslayer> hah, no neon
[16:10] <shadeslayer> just like i suspected
[16:10] <pythonsnake> neon ?
[16:11] <pythonsnake> yay!
[16:11] <shadeslayer> well, ARM processors don't do Floating point operations, so they have a seprate unit to do that, if  you have that it's called having neon support
[16:11] <pythonsnake> 30 secs more and 4.7.1!
[16:11] <shadeslayer> and floating point operations are required in playing 1080p vids
[16:11] <pythonsnake> Do i need to reboot ?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> for eg. my phone has 'neon' under features
[16:11] <shadeslayer> nope
[16:11] <pythonsnake> or relogin should be enough ?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> just relogin
[16:11] <pythonsnake> ok
[16:12] <bambee_> shadeslayer: neon is a SIMD instruction set, also you can't play 1080p with a cpu like that it's too slow
[16:12] <bambee_> usually 1080p is accelerated using the gpu 
[16:12] <shadeslayer> bambee_: i can play 720p video on me phone easily :P
[16:12] <shadeslayer> because i haz neon :D
[16:12] <pythonsnake> when will be kde 5 released ?
[16:12] <bambee_> 720 p != 1080p
[16:13] <shadeslayer> i know, but just saying :)
[16:13] <shadeslayer> have to try out 1080p now
[16:19] <bambee_> why the hell I've no neon here ? it's a cortex A9....
[16:23] <pythonsnake> yay
[16:23] <pythonsnake> 4.7.1!
[16:24] <bambee_> :D
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, stop bullshitting people
[16:25] <pythonsnake> It works !
[16:25] <apachelogger> neon is a SIMD arch
[16:25] <pythonsnake> lol
[16:25] <apachelogger> it is not equvivalent to a floatin point processor
[16:25] <apachelogger> in particular on ARM that thing is called VFP
[16:26] <apachelogger> which incidentially is shared with NEON most of the time
[16:26] <apachelogger> so you can do floating point without NEON but you cannot have NEON without floating point
[16:27] <pythonsnake> first bug
[16:28] <pythonsnake> rekonq freeze
[16:28] <pythonsnake> full creah
[16:28] <bambee_> apachelogger: +1
[16:28] <pythonsnake> crash
[16:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh .. maybe i was mistaken then
[16:29] <apachelogger> quite much so
[16:29] <apachelogger> BUT in fact NEON is mostly responsible for 720p+ playback
[16:30] <apachelogger> not necessarily due to floating but rather the SIMD nature of the extension
[16:30] <bambee_> for 1080p I doubt...
[16:30] <shadeslayer> also, your highlight there just froze KDE, i had to logout to get everything working again
[16:30] <bambee_> I mean 1080p is a big stuff...
[16:30] <pythonsnake> Rekonq doesn't stop crashing.
[16:30] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: backtrace please
[16:30] <apachelogger> bambee_: it entirely depends on the overall hardware
[16:30] <pythonsnake> how ?
[16:31] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: uh, click on the 2nd tab ( don't remember what its called ) in Dr. Konqi
[16:32] <pythonsnake> dr konqi ?
[16:32] <pythonsnake> another crash
[16:32] <apachelogger> bambee_: since like every media decoding ARM with NEON is found in a mobile consumer device it is a fair assumption that in fact the clock rate of the CPU would be the bottle neck, so SMID is what resoves that
[16:33] <apachelogger> besides... in video decoding only 3 things matter anyway ... the actual decoding ... the bus speed of the things you are from/to decoding ... the speed at which a decoded frame can be painted
[16:34] <apachelogger> for anything >=720 you will have a hard time doing decoding "just like that"
[16:34] <pythonsnake> rekonq: stop -_-
[16:34] <apachelogger> it is simply too much data resulting in too many operations
[16:35] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: a dialog would have launched after rekonq crashes
[16:35] <pythonsnake> shadeslayer: no it doesn't
[16:35] <pythonsnake> terminate/cancel
[16:35] <shadeslayer> thats, different i think
[16:37] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: launch with gdb and check what happens
[16:39] <pythonsnake> how ?
[16:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: is it just me or is active broken quite a bit
[16:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: they seem to have renamed the binary to plasma-device now
[16:40] <pythonsnake> ok
[16:40] <pythonsnake> it stopped
[16:41] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: gdb rekonq in a konsole
[16:41] <shadeslayer> and then type run
[16:41] <pythonsnake> how to remove ppa ???
[16:43] <pythonsnake> reproduced the error successfully
[16:43] <shadeslayer> well, i'm not sure that using ppa-purge would be the right way, so just remove the sources.list files for the staging ppa from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[16:44] <shadeslayer> and since you have the backports ppa enabled, you'll get any other updates from that ppa
[16:44] <pythonsnake> http://pastie.org/private/qstd5cau7xf5jerse1fw
[16:45] <apachelogger> bambee_: oh, btw, it also depends a lot on the format ... like with a 444 plane format you'll have big time problems without SIMD
[16:45] <apachelogger> that said, 444's are not uncommon for screen captures
[16:45] <apachelogger> as they give better results I have been told
[16:45] <bambee_> really?
[16:46] <pythonsnake> so ?
[16:46] <apachelogger> 444 is actually not bad, except for the fact that it causes quite a growth in encoded data size (compared to 422) 
[16:47] <apachelogger> so assuming you can do SIMD what most likely bottlenecks the most is bus transfer if bandwith is not sufficient
[16:51] <pythonsnake> ..
[16:51] <pythonsnake> !ping
[16:55] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:55] <bambee_> apachelogger: do you remember the link for videos samples that j-b pasted few days ago on #kde-multimedia ?
[16:55] <shadeslayer> pythonsnake: flash is causing issues i think
[16:55] <pythonsnake> shadeslayer: how come
[16:55] <bambee_> apachelogger: it was hosted on vlc
[16:55] <shadeslayer> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** WARNING: unhandled variable 18 (<unknown variable>) in NPN_GetValue()                                                                              
[16:56] <shadeslayer> and then something in glib : (process:7115): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: /build/buildd/glib2.0-2.28.6/./gobject/gtype.c:2712: You forgot to call g_type_init()                                             
[16:56] <pythonsnake> how to fix
[16:56] <shadeslayer> don't go to a flash site? :P
[16:56] <shadeslayer> or install a newer flash version
[17:03] <pythonsnake> lol
[17:03] <pythonsnake> how to install newer flash
[17:04] <shadeslayer> errr ... look at adobe's site?
[17:06] <apachelogger> bambee_: streams.videolan.org?
[17:07]  * apachelogger always gets his urls confused
[17:08] <pythonsnake> btw I don't think it's flash player
[17:08] <bambee_> apachelogger: thanks
[17:08] <pythonsnake> proff: the site doesn't have flash 
[17:08] <pythonsnake> and ot crashes
[17:08] <pythonsnake> but I can access youtube normally
[17:08] <pythonsnake> shadeslayer: ^
[17:09] <shadeslayer> hmm, no idea then, to me it looked like flash is causing it
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: did you get any updates on the last package shipment? When does it usually arrive?
[17:10] <apachelogger> no
[17:11] <shadeslayer> well, only 5 days to go ... seems that they should reach us by 30th September
[17:53] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925175343-97mt1c3o93ncme6h * (debian/changelog src/daemon/hookevent/hook.cpp) Properly KProcess DisplayIf hook conditions as shell commands. Trying to evaluate a complex expression as program will make the process die and return as zombie! OMG! (LP: #515138)
[17:55] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925175517-5plq3cvsw1yd700g * (debian/changelog src/daemon/hookevent/hookevent.cpp) If a hook is not valid and a notification is not required schedule the hook for deletion via event loop to save memory.
[17:56] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925175651-u3ng3hqqeblyfpq0 * (debian/changelog src/daemon/hookevent/hookevent.cpp) Use QLatin1String when useful in HookEvent
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[18:04] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925180430-2hy8cael6457b5lt * (debian/changelog src/daemon/hookevent/hook.cpp) Nice fact about KProcess... when starting detached you can actually throw away the KProcess right away (or reuse it). Consequently do not heap the KProcess for terminal Hook invocation, but keep it on the stack.
[18:09] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925180930-hb6km7r0jr1xthcb * debian/ (changelog control) Bump standards version to 3.9.2
[18:11] <CIA-130> [kubuntu-notification-helper] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110925181111-hw8eh3rdpa12gd9z * debian/changelog releasing version 11.10ubuntu1
[18:23] <bambee_> nice http://paste.kde.org/127141/
[18:40] <pythonsnake> Anyone's up ?
[18:46] <pythonsnake> Ok
[18:46] <pythonsnake> Everyone: solved rekonq issue by upgrading it to latest
[18:50] <pythonsnake> meh
[18:50] <pythonsnake> another issur
[18:50] <pythonsnake> another issue
[18:50] <pythonsnake> I need someone to test 
[18:56] <pythonsnake> Anyone is 
[18:56] <pythonsnake> here ?
[18:56] <pythonsnake> !
[18:57] <apachelogger> someone is always here
[18:57] <pythonsnake> cool
[18:57] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: are you using 4.7.1 ?
[18:58] <apachelogger> I think so
[18:58] <pythonsnake> ok
[18:59] <pythonsnake> Can you open that link please ?
[18:59] <pythonsnake> www.ohloh.net/p/quassel 
[18:59] <pythonsnake> !!WARMING!!
[18:59] <pythonsnake> It could freeze your system
[18:59] <pythonsnake> that's what it did for me ..
[18:59] <apachelogger> no freezy freezy
[19:00] <pythonsnake> :/
[19:00] <pythonsnake> It crashes my system - even cursor can't move
[19:00] <apachelogger> Sput: my project is twice as valuable as yours :P
[19:00] <Sput> sloccount, apachelogger?
[19:00] <apachelogger> ohohoholol
[19:01] <Sput> ah, that's quite buggy for us anyway
[19:01] <Sput> last time I checked it had a few thousand negative loc
[19:01] <apachelogger> yeah, right :P
[19:02] <Sput> oh, they finally fixed it :)
[19:02] <pythonsnake> Sput: :)
[19:02] <Sput> the -40k of XML code or whatever it was ruined our stats for quite a while :)
[19:18] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: help please :(
[19:23] <apachelogger> what do I help?
[19:30] <yofel> well, I can confirm that rekonq + 4.7.1 + natty doesn't like that page
[19:31] <yofel> as in: rekonq memory usage increases until there's no memory left
[19:38] <pythonsnake> yofel: yes!
[19:39]  * yofel tries upgrading qtwebkit
[19:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup, they changed
[19:41] <pythonsnake> yofel: can I obtain kubuntu cloak for testing ?
[19:41] <yofel> ok, that helped...
[19:41] <yofel> pythonsnake: kubuntu cloak?
[19:42] <pythonsnake> or ubuntu member
[19:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm working to update kubuntu mobile defaults
[19:43] <yofel> pythonsnake: k/ubuntu membership is granted for any significant and sustained contribution - see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Membership
[19:43] <pythonsnake> yofel: just like you
[19:43] <apachelogger> rbelem: with that?
[19:43] <apachelogger> rbelem: also mind that we have kubuntu-tablet-settings
[19:44] <pythonsnake> too much requirements
[19:45] <devurandom> Hello!
[19:46] <pythonsnake> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly yofel?
[19:46] <devurandom> I am on Kubuntu 11.10 / KDE 4.7 and like the plasma-netbook ui, except that the window decorations are missing (especially annoying for originally small windows). How do I enable them for plasma-netbook? (They are also missing when I switch to plasma-desktop, btw.)
[19:46] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: Oo there is but one requirement
[19:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki :-)
[19:46] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: ?
[19:46] <yofel> pythonsnake: he never actually did any packages there, I installed the version from oneiric, just checking if that's backportable
[19:46] <devurandom> #kde just told me that the decorations should only be missing for maximized windows, but if so all windows here appear maximized. Is that a bug or a misconfiguration?
[19:46] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: sustained significant contribution is the only requirement
[19:47] <yofel> devurandom: in plasma-netbook that should be intentional, but not if you're running plasma-desktop
[19:47] <apachelogger> devurandom: no, that is the way it is supposed to be on netbook
[19:47] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: so I can get it by testing and reporting bugs ?
[19:47] <devurandom> apachelogger: Even for usually-tiny windows like kwallet-enter-your-password?
[19:47] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: that is a form of contribution, no? :P
[19:48] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: oh cool!
[19:48] <pythonsnake> will do :)
[19:48] <apachelogger> devurandom: yes, no, partially
[19:48] <devurandom> Hm...?!
[19:48] <maco> devurandom: i think he means we dont have anything distinguishing dialogs from any-other-window
[19:49] <apachelogger> devurandom: if a window defines appropriate dimensions, they will not appear absurdly fullscreened
[19:49] <maco> so yes its working as written, no thats not quite optimal in all cases
[19:49] <apachelogger> unfortunately all too many do not have that
[19:50] <pythonsnake> entering to http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=223754 crashes rekonq
[19:50] <apachelogger> devurandom: I am not quite sure how you can turn it off... but check the window/workspace settings
[19:50] <devurandom> Ok, so then, how do I best apply the plasma-netbook config to plasma-desktop? I.e. the way the panel and activities are setup atm.
[19:51] <pythonsnake> fixed with latest rekonq build
[19:51] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: are you on natty?
[19:51] <devurandom> apachelogger: That is the alternative to switching to -desktop?
[19:51] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: sure
[19:51] <pythonsnake> wanna me to test oneiric ? :)
[19:51] <apachelogger> devurandom: yes, you'd still have the plasma-netbook shell but you can turn off the default maximizing
[19:52] <apachelogger> so you get window decorations and all that
[19:52] <devurandom> Nice :)
[19:52] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: in oneiric *many* issues are gone
[19:52] <apachelogger> even more if someone were to bother packaging up a rekonq snapshot :S
[19:52] <yofel> apachelogger: the oloh issue is fixed by upgrading to oneiric qtwebkit
[19:52] <devurandom> Oh, something unrelated: The activitymanager is missing in Kubuntu 11.10 - I am unable to rename my activities.
[19:53] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: oO
[19:53] <yofel> apachelogger: and there's rekonq 0.7.90 in experimental PPA for oneiric (whoever did that)
[19:53] <pythonsnake> let me upgrade!
[19:54] <yofel> pythonsnake: that page doesn't crash rekonq either with newer qtwebkit
[19:54] <apachelogger> !find kactivitymanager
[19:54] <pythonsnake> every tester should use oneiric, no ? :)
[19:54] <pythonsnake> how to upgrade ?
[19:54] <apachelogger> oh
[19:54] <pythonsnake> yofel: cool
[19:54] <apachelogger> !find kactivitymanager oneiric
[19:54] <apachelogger> devurandom: the archive disagrees it seems
[19:54] <pythonsnake> acid3 test freezes a bit at 69/100
[19:55] <apachelogger> devurandom: dpkg -S kactivitymanagerd
[19:55] <pythonsnake> with latest rekonq
[19:55] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: also fixed in oneiric :P
[19:55] <pythonsnake> cool
[19:55] <pythonsnake> how to upgrade ?
[19:55] <pythonsnake> I'm excited
[19:55] <yofel> pythonsnake: do-release-upgrade -d (note that oneiric is still beta)
[19:55] <apachelogger> in fact with latest oneiric rekonq gets better scores than the Nokia N9's current browser :P
[19:55] <pythonsnake> yofel: yeah I know
[19:55] <pythonsnake> *that it's beta)
[19:55] <pythonsnake> 2:P
[19:56] <devurandom> apachelogger: Hm, in my Gentoo installation I click on the kidney and get a "activities" item. In Kubuntu I click it and get no such thing...
[19:56] <devurandom> s/get a/see an/
[19:56] <kubotu> devurandom meant: "apachelogger: Hm, in my Gentoo installation I click on the kidney and see an "activities" item. In Kubuntu I click it and get no such thing..."
[19:57] <pythonsnake> kubotu: nice name
[19:57] <yofel> devurandom: I do get that
[19:57] <yofel> devurandom: on natty 4.7.1 and oneiric 
[19:57] <apachelogger> same here
[19:57] <apachelogger> devurandom: so what does dpkg have to say?
[19:58] <devurandom> pythonsnake: Beware! /var/run to /run migration is quite broken! If you use wicd you will experience crashes until you tell KDE/Solid to use NM by default. And kmail-migration is also not working at all.
[19:58] <pythonsnake> at all?!
[19:58] <yofel> true, did someone file a few hundred bugs against that migrater upstream?
[19:58] <pythonsnake> bug with youtube !
[19:59] <devurandom> apachelogger: This one is probably the most relevant: kde-runtime: /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd
[19:59] <pythonsnake> latest rekonq
[19:59] <pythonsnake> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6tV11acSRk
[19:59] <pythonsnake> 0.7.90
[19:59]  * apachelogger always gets krake drunk and then tells him about all the issues with the migrator
[19:59] <apachelogger> devurandom: so it is there
[19:59] <apachelogger> devurandom: is it running though?
[20:00] <devurandom> yofel: Dunno, I am using dimap, so it is quite ok to just setup everything anew. What might also be problematic is that I was experimenting with akonadi since the very beginning of it - maybe there were some stale configs / files left.
[20:01] <yofel> devurandom: I remember it not working right when I tried it during kdepim 4.6 RC's, but now I have no setup left to use for testing, and no time to really set one up especially
[20:01] <devurandom> pythonsnake: Here it was started the first time kmail was started - told me that some resource was missing (nepomuk related? dont remember) and the second time I started kmail-migrator --interactive as I was told the first time it just said everything was migrated already when it was not.
[20:02] <devurandom> pythonsnake: But setting it up is easy - dont worry.
[20:02] <devurandom> apachelogger: Yes the daemon is running.
[20:03] <devurandom> apachelogger: Can I start the configurator manually?
[20:03] <yofel> pythonsnake: the youtube page works fine with rekonq 0.7.0, is that natty or oneiric?
[20:04] <devurandom> By configurator I mean: The bar where I see the list of activities and can stop, delete, rename, etc.
[20:05] <yofel> yeah, and that bar works perfectly fine here
[20:05] <devurandom> Well, I dont see it here. :(
[20:06] <yofel> devurandom: there's a 'Show Activity Manager' Widget in 4.7, can you try to use that to open the bar?
[20:07] <devurandom> Does not do a thing...
[20:08] <devurandom> "click or press meta+q to show activity manager" - this one, right?
[20:08] <yofel> devurandom: run kdebugdialog, enable debugging output, open a konsole, run 'tail -f ~/.xession-errors' in there and try again
[20:08] <yofel> maybe that'll tell what goes wrong
[20:09] <devurandom> yofel: Whose output shall I enable? There are lot of progs listed...
[20:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you try uds on iphone?
[20:11] <yofel> devurandom: I have all on, but I see kactivitymanagerd in that list, enable that first
[20:11] <devurandom> I do not see it there, at least the search does not find it.
[20:11] <yofel> enabling all creates a lot of noise
[20:11] <yofel> devurandom: are you *sure* it's running?
[20:11] <devurandom> $ ps aux | grep activity
[20:11] <devurandom> 1000      3677  1.4  1.1  63488 11920 ?        S    21:28   0:37 /usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd
[20:12]  * yofel scratches head..
[20:12] <devurandom> kill it and restart?
[20:13] <yofel> devurandom: not sure, can you run 'sudo strace -p $(pidof kactivitymanagerd)' and check if it does anything?
[20:14] <pythonsnake> yofel: natty
[20:14] <pythonsnake> sound but no video
[20:14] <devurandom> Found a hint in xsession-errors: "/usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd(3677)" Soprano: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
[20:14] <devurandom> "/usr/bin/kactivitymanagerd(3677)" Soprano: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Invalid name"
[20:15] <devurandom> What does the manager need nepomuk for? And why can it not cope with it being disabled?
[20:16] <pythonsnake> bye bye natty
[20:17] <yofel> hm, sound works in 0.7.0 for me
[20:17] <devurandom> And I enabled nepomuk after I booted this machine - about 1h ago. I dont get it...
[20:17] <yofel> me neither :(
[20:17] <pythonsnake> yofel: yes sound works but no video
[20:18] <yofel> oh right, I meant I get both
[20:18] <pythonsnake> yofel: nevermind
[20:18] <pythonsnake> relogin fixed
[20:19] <devurandom> I'll restart and hope for the best...
[20:19] <devurandom> (reboot)
[20:23] <pythonsnake> can I use oneiric for regular use ?
[20:27] <yofel> I do, although we don't make any guarantees yet that it won't break
[20:28] <devurandom> apachelogger: Do you have another hint where to find the always-maximize option?
[20:29] <devurandom> I thought I found it, but it appears I was wrong...
[20:29] <apachelogger> not really, I have no netbook setup around
[20:31] <devurandom> apachelogger: Do you know the config file and key? I'd be happy with that, too.
[20:31] <apachelogger> there are multiple
[20:31] <devurandom> files or keys?
[20:31] <apachelogger> devurandom: check out /usr/share/kubuntu-netbook-.../share/config
[20:31] <pythonsnake> I have to test/report bugs for 2 months to get membership :)
[20:31] <apachelogger> kwinrc and workspaceoptionsrc or something
[20:32] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: it says at least 2 months
[20:32] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: that's a lot
[20:32] <yofel> not really, 6 months is a more common time to get membership
[20:33] <apachelogger> tell that to JontheEchidna, who has been with the team 5 years or so
[20:33] <pythonsnake> kubuntu.org mail!
[20:33] <pythonsnake> yofel: 6months ?!
[20:33] <pythonsnake> so I'll test 12.04 too :)
[20:33] <pythonsnake> mmaybe kde5
[20:34] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: as I said... sustained significant contribution is the only requirement
[20:34] <yofel> pythonsnake: that was my time for kubuntu, although I did testing for ubuntu before that for over a year
[20:34] <pythonsnake> and qt5 will be out in 6months
[20:34] <devurandom> Haha, I think I found it: Windows behaviour / Window behaviour / Advanced / Subwindows / Placement
[20:34] <yofel> pythonsnake: stay around and we'll see ;)
[20:34] <apachelogger> when contribution is sustained and significant enough is up for the kubuntu council to decide
[20:34] <pythonsnake> yofel: :)
[20:35] <pythonsnake> the only thing I want is kubuntu.org mail
[20:35] <apachelogger> what you should want is improve kubuntu :P
[20:35] <devurandom> Or: kwinrc:Windows:Placement=Maximizing
[20:36] <apachelogger> devurandom: as said... it is a combination of keys
[20:36] <pythonsnake> hmm
[20:36] <devurandom> apachelogger: But one seems sufficient so far. What other keys?
[20:36] <pythonsnake> tiling seems to destroy buttons (exit, minimize ..etc)
[20:36] <apachelogger> devurandom: the ones in the configs I mentioneD :P
[20:37] <devurandom> workspaceoptionsrc has nothing related at all - it seems.
[20:37] <apachelogger> hm, I thought it did
[20:37] <devurandom> The options I gave are actually the same thing: Once in the cfg file and once in the syssettings.
[20:41] <pythonsnake> Ocelot !
[20:41] <devurandom> Anyway: Thanks a lot for your help, everyone!
[20:41] <pythonsnake> devurandom: You're welcome! Come back when you want :)
[20:41] <devurandom> yofel: I worked around the issue by editing plasma-*-appletsrc directly.
[20:42] <yofel> devurandom: does kactivitymanagerd work now?
[20:42] <devurandom> No. It appears in kdebugdialog now, though.
[20:42] <devurandom> After I enabled nepomuk...
[20:42] <yofel> ...
[20:43] <devurandom> But nothing in xsession-err and the button/plasmoid still does not produce a bar.
[20:44] <devurandom> Oh, sry, that was wrong. The soprano error still appears in xsess-err and it also said stuff like: kactivitymanagerd(2993) ActivityManagerPrivate::ActivityManagerPrivate: setting "2d5b9457-3c4c-42a2-a6c1-ab5df223f5b1" as running
[20:44] <devurandom> But no error message and no bar to be seen anywhere.
[20:53] <pythonsnake> !ping
[20:53] <pythonsnake> !ping
[20:54] <pythonsnake> kubotu: ping
[20:54] <kubotu> pong
[20:54] <pythonsnake> :D
[20:54] <pythonsnake> kubotu: help
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[20:54] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: stop harassing the bot, the irc people do not take kindly to that... :SEST!
[20:54] <pythonsnake> sorryy
[20:54] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: just query the bot :P
[20:55] <pythonsnake> ok
[20:57]  * yofel goes copying 4.7.1 for natty
[20:58] <pythonsnake> yofel: oO
[20:58] <pythonsnake> yofel: I didn;t test it enough..
[20:59] <yofel> pythonsnake: if you want me to wait ok, but I couldn't find any issues the last 2 days, nor did someone else
[20:59] <yofel> and the 2nd link your said that crashes rekonq works fine here
[21:00] <pythonsnake> yofel: let me test it more :)
[21:00] <pythonsnake> how to tile btw
[21:00] <yofel> k, you've got an hour
[21:00] <pythonsnake> alt+shift+f11 ?
[21:01]  * apachelogger has no idea what tiling does ^^
[21:01] <pythonsnake> organize windows
[21:01] <pythonsnake> [][]
[21:01] <pythonsnake> like that
[21:01] <apachelogger> sounds very unixy
[21:01] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: just drag the window to the edge?
[21:01] <yofel> well, alt+shift+f11 is supposed to enable it
[21:01] <yofel> I never used it
[21:02] <yofel> ...
[21:02] <yofel> spiral layout is crazy
[21:03] <pythonsnake> got an issue
[21:03] <pythonsnake> I knew it ! :)
[21:03] <pythonsnake> gonna take screen and show you
[21:04] <pythonsnake> http://i.imgur.com/2BoRl.png
[21:04] <pythonsnake> notice the decoration
[21:04] <pythonsnake> bottom right
[21:04] <pythonsnake> and the taskbar
[21:05] <pythonsnake> yofel: ^
[21:05]  * apachelogger thinks the scrollbars have the wrong color
[21:06] <pythonsnake> lol
[21:06] <pythonsnake> I didn't photoshoped or something
[21:06] <pythonsnake> or gimp'ed
[21:07] <yofel> hm, decos are fine here... as for the taskbar, that happens because ksnapshot takes the screenshot while it opens itself
[21:07] <yofel> or do you always have overlapping items?
[21:07] <apachelogger> yofel: even if you have both horizontal and vertical scrollbars?
[21:08] <yofel> what's wrong with the scrollbars?
[21:08] <apachelogger> the scrollbars do not match the color of the decoration
[21:09] <pythonsnake> yofel: I have another one
[21:09] <pythonsnake> http://i.imgur.com/5aJz7.png
[21:09] <yofel> apachelogger: I don't see any color difference in that screenshot
[21:10] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: that looks very graphics driver to me
[21:10] <yofel> hm, no mgraesslin here :/
[21:10] <pythonsnake> graphic ? :/
[21:10] <pythonsnake> so fix graphic driver issue ?
[21:11] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/xmpRQ.png
[21:11] <apachelogger> yofel: 
[21:12] <yofel> apachelogger: ok, now I think I get what you mean..
[21:12] <yofel> but that's qtwebkit not honoring the system theme colors
[21:13] <yofel> here it's light gray scrollbars + black window deocs
[21:13] <yofel> +decos
[21:13] <apachelogger> oh
[21:13] <apachelogger> graphicsview ftw
[21:14] <yofel> http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/windecos.png
[21:14] <apachelogger> interesting
[21:15] <apachelogger> anywho
[21:15] <apachelogger> can't fix that
[21:15] <apachelogger> the gradient cannot be applied to graphicsview
[21:15] <apachelogger> unless qtwebkit changes to having the scollbar drawn as a parent qwidget
[21:16] <yofel> pythonsnake: I can't say I've ever seen the issue you have with the window titles though
[21:22] <pythonsnake> yofel: :)
[21:23] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you know this channel is not a support channel ?
[21:23] <ikonia> pythonsnake: just to be clear ?
[21:23] <pythonsnake> ikonia: I'm testing KDE 4.7.1 
[21:23] <pythonsnake> and reporting bugs ...etc
[21:23] <ikonia> pythonsnake: you know this hcannel is not for support and reporting bugs yes ?
[21:23] <ikonia> pythonsnake: the process is to use launchpad.net to report bugs .
[21:24] <pythonsnake> :/
[21:24] <ikonia> pythonsnake: more so when your builds are tainted with all the non-standard stuff you install but don't tell anyone 
[21:24] <pythonsnake> ikonia: This is a fresh install
[21:24] <ikonia> pythonsnake: please use #kubuntu for support and launchpad.net for bugs. 
[21:24] <ikonia> pythonsnake: on this occasion, I'm sure it is. 
[21:25] <apachelogger> what is with all the hate today? :S
[21:25] <ikonia> pythonsnake: do you understand this channel is not a support channel or a bug reporting channel ?
[21:26] <yofel> ikonia: I wanted him to do a last minute check on unpublished packages from a not-public PPA, you don't discuss that in #kubuntu...
[21:26] <apachelogger> ikonia: you do realize two developers are talking to him?
[21:26] <ikonia> apachelogger: I do, as long as you realise the information he's giving you is potentially taited
[21:27] <ikonia> tainted even
[21:27] <apachelogger> duly noted
[21:38] <pythonsnake> Tiling works great but need to unmaximize windows before for it to work preperly
[21:38] <pythonsnake> properly*
[21:38]  * apachelogger thinks there might well be bugs floating around
[21:38] <apachelogger> kwin has too many features IMO
[21:39] <pythonsnake> lol
[21:39] <yofel> I remember someone else trying tiling like a month ago or so somewhere, didn't work too well back then
[21:39] <pythonsnake> That's what make it great :)
[21:39] <apachelogger> I know a feature like that is definitely defunct with a dual screen setup
[21:39] <apachelogger> somehow kwin gets its layout geometries wrong with >1 screen
[21:40] <yofel> sounds like someone should buy martin another screen ^^
[21:40] <apachelogger> or buy him a minion :)
[21:40] <pythonsnake> yeah. unmaximize everything and tiling will rock
[21:41] <pythonsnake> err
[21:42] <yofel> funny enough, just looked at #kwin, and someone was complaining about resizing not working right with tiling on like 3h ago
[21:42] <pythonsnake> tiling needs resize feature
[21:42] <pythonsnake> lol
[21:42] <yofel> pythonsnake: anyway, file bugs at bugs.kde.org about the problems
[21:42] <apachelogger> yofel: too many features :P
[21:42] <pythonsnake> http://i.imgur.com/w2Pgm.png
[21:42] <pythonsnake> notice dolphin
[21:42] <pythonsnake> it was automatic
[21:43] <apachelogger> looks like a bug then
[21:44] <pythonsnake> and rekonq just randomely freezes :/
[21:44] <yofel> that doesn't sound new...
[21:45] <yofel> and I don't feel like backporting qtwebkit 2.2~ to natty which shipped with 2.1~
[21:45] <pythonsnake> why not ?
[21:46] <yofel> at least not unless someone that knows what could happen says it's ok
[21:46] <yofel> libqtwebkit4 has too many rdepeneds
[21:46] <yofel> *rdepends
[21:47] <pythonsnake> ah
[21:47] <pythonsnake> I remember some weird networking bugs this morning..
[21:47] <pythonsnake> trying to reproduce
[21:48] <apachelogger> yofel: it is not ok
[21:48] <apachelogger> 2.2 is vaaaaaastly different from 2.1
[21:48] <apachelogger> on all sorts of levels
[21:49] <pythonsnake> I think packages should be compressed at better level ..
[21:49] <pythonsnake> too much MB to download
[21:49] <yofel> good, then I remembered that right
[21:49] <yofel> pythonsnake: we already use lzma... not much to improve there
[21:49] <apachelogger> they are compressed using the highest compression rate using the best compressiong algorithm
[21:49] <pythonsnake> yofel: look ar arch.. they have 300MB in 25MB
[21:50] <apachelogger> that has nothing to do with compression
[21:50] <pythonsnake> it doesn't ?
[21:50] <apachelogger> no, that is binary diff computation
[21:50] <apachelogger> which is vastly different
[21:50] <apachelogger> also many distros can do that
[21:50] <pythonsnake> ah ok
[21:51] <yofel> google for debdelta if you're interested in the discussion about it
[21:51] <apachelogger> the long and painful discussion... brrrr :D
[21:55] <pythonsnake> 247/450 for the html5 test
[21:59] <pythonsnake> hmm
[21:59] <pythonsnake> No other bugs appearently
[22:00] <pythonsnake> yofel: I'm done :)
[22:01] <yofel> good
[22:05] <apachelogger> yofel: could you package a rekonq snapshot/beta and push that to oneiric?
[22:05] <yofel> apachelogger: later than 0.7.90 you mean?
[22:05] <yofel> because that's in kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[22:06] <yofel> done by bulldog
[22:07] <pythonsnake> bulldog is the new dev ?
[22:07] <yofel> bulldog98 is the latest member
[22:08] <pythonsnake> 98? sounds like he's 13
[22:08] <yofel> he's not ;)
[22:09] <pythonsnake> :D
[22:10] <apachelogger> he looks like 40 :P
[22:10] <apachelogger> yofel: can we push that to the archive then?
[22:10] <yofel> bwahaha, say 30 at least
[22:11] <apachelogger> age is a blur to me :P
[22:11] <apachelogger> yofel: actually a .90 with cherry picking might be even better
[22:11] <apachelogger> the more fixes the better
[22:12] <pythonsnake> Do I need a wiki for the membership ?
[22:12] <yofel> you do
[22:13] <yofel> I didn't notice anything broken in 0.7.90, but I don't use rekonq much. Also we'll need an FFE
[22:13] <apachelogger> of course you also need sustained and sufficient contribution :P
[22:14] <pythonsnake> yofel: yeah
[22:14] <pythonsnake> 0.7.90 seems good
[22:14] <apachelogger> yofel: I am sure scotty can get us one approved... did I mention pro7 had a star trek day today? :P
[22:14] <pythonsnake> FFE ?
[22:14] <yofel> !ffe | pythonsnake
[22:14] <pythonsnake> ah
[22:15] <yofel> apachelogger: anyway, I'll need to finish publishing 4.7.1 today, after that I'll probably go to bed, so we'll see tomorrow
[22:15] <yofel> peferably bulldog98_ can file the FFe if he shows up ^^
[22:15] <pythonsnake> FFE for what ?
[22:15] <yofel> rekonq
[22:15] <pythonsnake> huh?
[22:15] <yofel> we have Feature Freeze, so we need an exception if we want to get an application with new features into oneiric
[22:16] <pythonsnake> Add a new functionality to rekonq ?
[22:16] <apachelogger> yofel: now, it worries me that you used "if" and not "when" :P
[22:16] <yofel> s/if/when/
[22:16] <kubotu> yofel meant: "we have Feature Freeze, so we need an exception when we want to get an application with new features into oneiric"
[22:16] <apachelogger> phew
[22:16] <apachelogger> better
[22:16] <apachelogger> :)
[22:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: you really should learn to replace in context
[22:19] <pythonsnake> Foo bar
[22:19] <pythonsnake> s/foo/bar
[22:19] <pythonsnake> hmm 
[22:19] <apachelogger> syntax fail
[22:19] <pythonsnake> s/Foo/bar
[22:19] <pythonsnake> Foo bar
[22:19] <pythonsnake> s/Foo/bar
[22:20] <apachelogger> dude!
[22:20] <pythonsnake> s/Foo/bar/
[22:20] <kubotu> pythonsnake meant: "s/bar/bar"
[22:20] <pythonsnake> lol
[22:20] <pythonsnake> kubotu: echo s/b/r
[22:21] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: could you please stop harassing the bot again
[22:21] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: sorry again
[22:23] <pythonsnake> #kubuntu <-- need support
[22:26] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:26] <pythonsnake> _Groo_: Hello.
[22:27] <pythonsnake> Yay!
[22:27] <pythonsnake> 4min
[22:28] <pythonsnake> and I got Oneiric Ocelot!
[22:28]  * pythonsnake is excited!
[22:29] <yofel> evening _Groo_
[22:30] <_Groo_> yofel: im trying to finish the calligra build
[22:30] <_Groo_> but its complaining :P cmake cant find libwpg library LIBWPG_LIBRARY-NOTFOUND/usr/lib/libwpd-stream-0.9.so but the lib is there
[22:31] <_Groo_> and yet i DO have the lib installed
[22:31] <yofel> happens in neon too since like a week ago or so
[22:31] <_Groo_> its in /usr/lib/libwpd-stream-0.9.so -> libwpd-stream-0.9.so.9.0.0
[22:31] <yofel> didn't yet get to debug it
[22:31] <_Groo_> yep
[22:31] <pythonsnake> What is neon?
[22:31] <pythonsnake> !neon
[22:31] <_Groo_> ohhh the doesnt know NEON! oO
[22:31] <pythonsnake> Is it a problem?
[22:32] <_Groo_> pythonsnake: lol i was joking :)
[22:32] <_Groo_> pythonsnake: you just make yofel shed a little tear thats all
[22:32]  * apachelogger hugs yofel
[22:32] <pythonsnake> Lol.
[22:32] <apachelogger> I didn't know about it either
[22:32]  * apachelogger hugs yofel again for that
[22:32] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ahah apachelogger, you are mean as usual :D
[22:33] <apachelogger> doing my best
[22:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: actually i think you are making up excuses to hug yofel oO
[22:33] <apachelogger> that too
[22:33] <_Groo_> apachelogger: = peter file!
[22:33] <yofel> lol
[22:33]  * yofel hugs apachelogger back :)
[22:33] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that doesn't work, he looks like 38
[22:33] <apachelogger> oh
[22:33]  * apachelogger hugs yofel again
[22:33]  * pythonsnake hugs the whole Kubuntu team.
[22:34]  * pythonsnake hugs the whole KDE team too.
[22:34] <_Groo_> ok... this is going the gangbang way now!
[22:34] <_Groo_> i wonder what happens in the kde summits every year oO
[22:35] <apachelogger> rbelem: ping
[22:35] <_Groo_> well i might as well see if i can bang cmake into submission and force him to use libwpg
[22:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, pong
[22:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: do you know what a dolphin mobile is?
[22:36] <apachelogger> we have a todo item that says package dolphin mobile
[22:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, no idea
[22:36] <_Groo_> apachelogger: a dolphin in a overcraft!
[22:36] <apachelogger> google doesn't know about any dolphin mobile
[22:37] <pythonsnake> rbelem: ping
[22:37] <pythonsnake> rbelem: latency
[22:37] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... maybe that is about talk to upstream about create dolphin mobile 
[22:38] <rbelem> pythonsnake, ???
[22:38] <rbelem> apachelogger, plans i mean
[22:38] <apachelogger> rbelem: yeah, I removed that now :P
[22:38] <apachelogger> let sebas do that :P
[22:38] <pythonsnake> rbelem: oh sorry
[22:38] <rbelem> :-)
[22:38] <pythonsnake> thought you were another bot
[22:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-D
[22:39]  * apachelogger pokes pythonsnake for mistaking his precious rbelem for a bot
[22:39] <apachelogger> yofel: do we have a calligra ppa?
[22:39] <_Groo_> apachelogger: bots are getting very smart nowadays
[22:39] <apachelogger> I know I wanted shadeslayer to make packages at some point
[22:39]  * _Groo_ is a bot!
[22:40] <apachelogger> but I have a feeling it did not ever get to that
[22:40] <apachelogger> _Groo_: that explains a lot
[22:40] <yofel> apachelogger: not that I know of, _Groo_ has some packages, dailies are in neon
[22:40] <apachelogger> mighty bot _Groo_, where be your calligra?
[22:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: read above... its fighting me with the stupid libwpg lib
[22:41] <apachelogger> _Groo_: make sure you package the mobile thing too :P
[22:41] <_Groo_> apachelogger: if i can compile it, ill have fresh packages still tonight
[22:42] <pythonsnake> yofel: How's 4.7.1 :-)?
[22:42] <yofel> _Groo_: have fun getting someone in #Calligra to listen to you, I tried telling them 3 times that their liblcms cmake check is borked, nobody answered
[22:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we should not make work items that say "investigate".... when is investigate muon mobile done?
[22:43] <apachelogger> yofel: I think the solution is to fix it :P
[22:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ah, I am closing that since I have a simple PoC 
[22:44] <apachelogger> so very possible just needs someone to do it
[22:44] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, could you take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-baseapps/+bug/851668 ?
[22:44] <yofel> yeah, hard to know what's broken though looking at the issue between all the cmake devel warnings
[22:44] <yofel> pretty messy
[22:45] <rbelem> apachelogger, i cant commit to “kubuntu-mobile-default-settings”
[22:46] <apachelogger> we have a task for that?
[22:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you have rights to commit there?
[22:46] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, calligras usually are very responsive... they are all drunk prolly, im gonna try to fix it.. if i cant, ill bug them tomorrow
[22:46] <_Groo_> anyway, i should have new packages this week tops...
[22:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: where?
[22:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: I have rights to commit everywhere
[22:48] <pythonsnake> I got plenty "Unknow media type in type 'things'" while upgrading to Oneiric Ocelot.
[22:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/kubuntu-mobile-default-settings/oneiric
[22:49] <apachelogger> that is not where it lives
[22:49] <apachelogger> rbelem: lp:kubuntu-mobile-default-settings
[22:49] <apachelogger> I think
[22:50] <apachelogger> oh
[22:50] <apachelogger> rbelem: we do not have it in bzr at all
[22:50] <apachelogger> and that branch you linked at is actually the one which syncs form the ubuntu archive
[22:51] <pythonsnake> Someone whois me please.
[22:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, o.O
[22:53] <yofel> can we please kill the kwallet backend for python-keyring with fire? *-.-
[22:53] <apachelogger> nah
[22:53] <apachelogger> lets kill python-keyring
[22:53] <apachelogger> heck, lets kill python
[22:53] <yofel> nah, python's nice, but now you know why i add a --credentials-file option to all lplib scripts I write
[22:54] <pythonsnake> Python rocks.
[22:54] <rbelem> apachelogger, where can i create a repository to push these stuff?
[22:54] <apachelogger> let's just deploy kde secrets service thing
[22:54] <yofel> +1
[22:54] <apachelogger> rbelem: create a project on launchpad
[22:54] <apachelogger> rbelem: also I think we should rename the thing to kubuntu-mobile-settings
[22:55]  * rbelem waits anxiously for secrets service
[22:55] <apachelogger> the default has no actual meaning and causes unnecessary writing ^^
[22:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki
[22:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will do that
[22:55] <pythonsnake> apachelogger: Is that you?!
[22:55] <pythonsnake> https://secure.gravatar.com/avatar/75e4e8b41c6c8fc11ed95b309fe90adc?s=140&d=https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com%2Fimages%2Fgravatars%2Fgravatar-140.png
[22:55] <apachelogger> [apachelogger] Morph firefox installer into browser installer (consult with seele about impl): TODO
[22:55] <apachelogger> Oo
[22:56] <apachelogger> were we drunk when coming up with that?
[22:56] <apachelogger> what was the rationale for that one?
[22:56] <apachelogger> G
[22:56] <pythonsnake> Everyone here seem to like "O.o"
[22:56] <pythonsnake> lol
[22:56]  * apachelogger looks for audio recording
[22:56] <yofel> apachelogger: well, it's ofc discriminating other browsers
[22:56] <yofel> at least that's what I remember of the discussion ^^
[22:57] <yofel> and IIRC someone complained that we prefer firefox too much over chromium
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> rbelem: sure
[22:58] <rbelem> JontheEchidna, :-)
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: either drunk or not enough coffee yet
[22:58] <apachelogger> might have been both
[22:58] <apachelogger> actually
[22:59] <JontheEchidna> I agree though, we should limit action items to actionable items next time
[23:00] <yofel> that decision will hold until someone writes the next action item list after UDS :P
[23:02] <apachelogger> nono
[23:02] <apachelogger> next UDS the items will be written on the spot
[23:03] <apachelogger> now that the work item stuff is finally sensible to use, there is no need for post processing to shape a todo
[23:03] <apachelogger> we simply drop the work items as we take notes
[23:04] <apachelogger> lol
[23:05] <apachelogger> listening to UDS recordings cracks me up
[23:05] <rbelem> :-D
[23:05] <apachelogger> apachelogger goes "currently we are shipping rekonq", Quintasan goes "which is shit", ScottK goes "it is less shit than it used to be", Riddell goes "it isn't shit"
[23:06] <apachelogger> see, the only person who was not allowed to voice their opinion was poor apachelogger
[23:08] <yofel> well, what opinion was left after that? :D
[23:08] <apachelogger> "I love you all"? :P
[23:08] <yofel> ^^
[23:10] <apachelogger> ah, it is all jussi's fault
[23:10] <apachelogger> there, now I highlighted everyone who was in that discussion
[23:11] <apachelogger> so... the reason for installer improvement is that rekonq might still not be there and firefox is not that great anymore, so naturally we'd want to make it easy to also install the chromium
[23:12] <apachelogger> yet, I do not think this is viable at this point
[23:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: objections to postponing? since you are also assigned to that item
[23:13] <apachelogger> pythonsnake: and yes, that appears to be me
[23:13] <apachelogger> the hair looks better though
[23:14] <ScottK> I'm currently in the midst of a valiant effort to switch back to Firefox.  It's not going well.
[23:15] <apachelogger> where is that coming from?
[23:15]  * yofel currently has firefox (general browsing), chromium (since firefox + nvidia driver + launchpad = SLOW rendering) and chromium (www-admin.kubuntu.org) open
[23:15] <yofel> funny session
[23:15] <yofel> err... make the second chromium rekonq
[23:16] <ScottK> I decided Google's getting a bit too big for their britches and I should punish them by switching to Firefox.
[23:16] <apachelogger> you could use rekonq? :P
[23:16] <ScottK> No.  Not really.
[23:16] <apachelogger> why not?
[23:16] <ScottK> It does silly things like not close windows when you ctrl-w.
[23:17] <LaserJock> I've been using Firefox for a month or two now because of Chrome/Chromiums rediculous RAM usage
[23:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: we should fix that
[23:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: I filed a bug and upstream is all confused and thinks it's a feature.
[23:17] <apachelogger> with a long pointy stick of fluff
[23:18]  * apachelogger has mighty commit powers ^^
[23:18] <ScottK> Basically every bug I file about rekonq ends up getting responded to "No, we're doing it like X browser because that's how we want it to work." where X varies between Konqueror, Firefox, or Chromium based on what I don't want.
[23:18]  * apachelogger thinks about fluffy sticks with which one can tickle bugs out of rekonq
[23:19] <ScottK> Of "That's a Qt webkit bug".
[23:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no objections
[23:19] <ScottK> s/Of/Or/
[23:19] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "Or "That's a Qt webkit bug"."
[23:19] <ScottK> That's the other answer.
[23:19] <apachelogger> -.-
[23:19] <ScottK> I may have to give it another try.
[23:19] <apachelogger> just for the record... in the discussion about browsers apachelogger was for switching to something with a spine :P
[23:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kk
[23:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: What something was that?
[23:20] <apachelogger> either firefox or chromium
[23:20] <apachelogger> http://mirrors.tumbleweed.org.za/uds-o/2011-05-10-15-00-desktop-o-kubuntu-defaults.ogg
[23:21] <ScottK> Neither of them are suitable for distro defaults due to their "we'll embedd all the libraries and update everything - tough" approach.
[23:22] <apachelogger> well, with firefox we at least get free maintenance and all that
[23:22] <ScottK> I think Rekonq is not bad for putting on the CD.
[23:22] <ScottK> Chromium too.
[23:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: it is considering we do not even want to use it :S
[23:22] <ScottK> I think having a stable default makes sense.
[23:23] <ScottK> Neither Chromium nor Firefox qualify.
[23:23] <apachelogger> on that note ... to make it stable we need a snapshot/beta of the new rekonq
[23:23] <ScottK> It's in experimental PPA already.
[23:23] <apachelogger> yeah, we sort of need a FFe ;)
[23:23] <ScottK> The beta is more stable than the last release?
[23:23] <apachelogger> I hear bulldog98_ will be filing one
[23:23] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[23:24] <ScottK> Wild.
[23:24] <ScottK> OK.
[23:24] <apachelogger> actually a lot
[23:24] <apachelogger> might be because of qtwebkit 2.2 changes
[23:24] <ScottK> In that case, we should go for it.
[23:24] <apachelogger> *nod*
[23:24] <apachelogger> only waiting for bulldog98_
[23:25] <apachelogger> if only it had a sensible tab bar and threading :S
[23:29] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: do you have upstream doc access yet?
[23:31] <apachelogger> NCommander: ping
[23:33] <_Groo_> stupid question how do i make armel packages? can they be compiled from a amd64 arch?
[23:34] <pythonsnake> I'm on Oneiric
[23:34] <yofel> _Groo_: well, not really, you'll need a VM
[23:34] <yofel> _Groo_: here's a guide on how to create one for qemu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch
[23:34] <pythonsnake> How to check Kubuntu bersion ?
[23:34] <yofel> pythonsnake: lsb_release -rd
[23:34] <_Groo_> yofel: can you point me to a howto for armel? ive been doing some stuff for the hp touchpad and ubuntu is running native on it
[23:34] <_Groo_> yofel: tks yofi :D
[23:35] <pythonsnake> amarok is taking 100% cpu
[23:36] <pythonsnake> Yeah
[23:36] <pythonsnake> Amarok takes 100% CPU on Oneiric Ocelot.
[23:36] <_Groo_> pythonsnake: prolly one of the addons, take them out and check
[23:36] <pythonsnake> Good night
[23:36] <apachelogger> yofi :D
[23:36]  * apachelogger giggles away
[23:36] <yofel> ^^
[23:36] <pythonsnake> ^^
[23:37] <yofel> now I at least know what I can use if I ever need a 4 char long nick :P
[23:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:37] <pythonsnake> ^^
[23:37] <pythonsnake> !good night
[23:37] <pythonsnake> ubottu: -_-
[23:37] <_Groo_> pythonsnake: he never sleeps :)
[23:37] <BarkingFish> how far are we away now from full release of Oneiric anyway?
[23:37] <pythonsnake> Good night to all from pythonsnake :-)
[23:37] <pythonsnake> BarkingFish: one month
[23:37] <_Groo_> pythonsnake: night
[23:38] <BarkingFish> that long? Boo!
[23:38] <BarkingFish> :)
[23:38] <yofel> !shedule | BarkingFish
[23:38] <yofel> bah
[23:38] <yofel> !schedule | BarkingFish
[23:38] <apachelogger> <1month
[23:39] <yofel> I'm too tired I guess
[23:39] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[23:39] <BarkingFish> I'm looking forward to the new release, even though it's only been minor so far, it's nice to have been involved in it.
[23:39] <yofel> BarkingFish: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
[23:39] <yofel> heh, thx charlie-tca
[23:39] <charlie-tca> w
[23:39] <charlie-tca> yw too
[23:39] <BarkingFish> So when do we get cracking on 12.04? :P
[23:39]  * BarkingFish runs away
[23:40] <yofel> BarkingFish: UDS, toolchain usually opens 1-2 weeks after release 
[23:40] <apachelogger> it is quicker now I hear
[23:40] <micahg> lately it's been less
[23:41] <yofel> good too :)
[23:41] <charlie-tca> it was about three days or less for oneiric
[23:42] <apachelogger> of course everyone is still hungover from the release parties, so they think it is a couple of weeks 
[23:43] <BarkingFish> yofel - it looks like !schedule for the release milestones has been deleted from ubottu
[23:43] <yofel> lemme try something else
[23:43] <yofel> !schedule-#ubuntu+1
[23:43] <yofel> yep, channel specific
[23:43] <BarkingFish> searching her factoids it shows a <deleted> tag at the start of the factoid
[23:44] <BarkingFish> ubottu also has a broken factoid which needs taking out
[23:45] <BarkingFish> the link in !calendar goes to a custom 404
[23:47] <yofel> jussi: ^
[23:49] <BarkingFish> anyhow, it's late and I should be thinking about sleep right now. So good night / bonne nuit / gute nacht / buenos noches / buonanotte / nos da / boa noite
[23:49] <BarkingFish> see ya!