[00:03] <gnomie> urlin2u: we aren't lucky to have whatever.. took quite a few brilliant minds to get here. i don't think 'luck' does proper justice to anyone involved in this
[00:05] <urlin2u> gnomie, you make everything literal with your own little bubble of reality/definitions you will not get far. Your only goal here is to argue with me
[00:05] <coz_> hey guys,, does anyone know if the mini iso is available
[00:06] <OerHeks> what hardware / GPU are we talking about, pre 2002 ?
[00:06] <gnomie> pentium4 for instance
[00:06] <coz_> linux works fine on pre 2002
[00:06] <coz_> works very well with pentium 4
[00:07] <yofel> I had natty running on a pentium4 fine
[00:07] <yofel> but if you ask me whether I want to run it on my old Pentium 166MHz, no... probably not
[00:08] <coz_> :)
[00:08] <yofel> squeeze works fine there, even if the GPU has not enough memory to run X
[00:08] <coz_> there are mini distributions that work well and fast on older machines as well as c urrent
[00:08] <yofel> ... in a sane resolution
[00:08] <gnomie> coz_: to use layman terms, 11.10 is not going well on this pentium4 here. :(
[00:08] <urlin2u> coz_, I believe the mini is out.
[00:09] <coz_> urlin2u,  cool now I n eed to find it ")
[00:09] <coz_> gnomie,  I will test on this machine,,, so far fedora 15  ,,natty,, mint,, debian etc all run fine
[00:09] <urlin2u> coz_, I have been trying. :D
[00:09] <coz_> :)
[00:09] <yofel> can't talk much about the UI requirements since I run kubuntu. KDE without effects ran fine on the nvidia GF 4200 that the system had
[00:10] <gnomie> 11.04 runs fine though.. it's 11.10 that grinds my gears
[00:10] <gnomie> i even had unity2d going .. no problem. not the same story right now
[00:11] <coz_> gnomie,   mmm well I will be testing 11.10 soon on this pentium 4 machine,,  I will let you know,,,if it is going to slow down I move over to fedora  ,,,,mint linux has a few weird issues with compiz that they cant figure out
[00:11] <coz_> gnomie,  my focus are my clients,, who mainly have older machines generally pentium 4.. so if it fails on a pentium 4  I move to fedora for them
[00:12] <yofel> why not debian?
[00:12] <coz_> yofel,  possible,, although debian  uses " stable" libraries which translate in to "old " libraries when compiz is added into the mix
[00:12] <yofel> true
[00:13] <coz_> yofel,  since most of my clients love compiz  I have to take that into consideration
[00:13] <yofel> heh, understandable
[00:13] <gnomie> then again, adding a cheap pci video card would prolly be a major improvement   :-/
[00:13] <coz_> so far  it is debian that causes more erros and problems in #compiz than any other distribution
[00:14] <coz_> gnomie,  pci video is not going to make it with compiz though
[00:14] <coz_> bus speed is far too slow
[00:14] <gnomie> i prefer unity2d though
[00:14] <coz_> ah then that's fine
[00:14] <gnomie> right
[00:16] <gnomie> i prefer unity2d even on a capable system
[00:16] <gnomie> am hooked  o.0
[00:16] <coz_> :)
[00:16] <coz_> personally I dont like unity at all 2d or 3d... I prefer list driven menus not image driven menus
[00:17] <coz_> but apparenlty it is always going to be a "split" camp on this issue
[00:17] <coz_> appliance interfaces  are ok on an ipad  when considering screen realestate
[00:18] <yofel> well, I can live with image driven menus, as long as it has *colors* - I'm not much of a fan of the current monochrome icon trend :/
[00:18] <yofel> if you remove colors from the icons you can as well just replace them with text
[00:18] <gnomie> well.. to be honest, tablets and things of that sort are fine with whatever they ship in
[00:18] <gnomie> imo
[00:18] <coz_> yofel,  i dont blame you,, especially when you consider the accessibility problems with monochrome
[00:19] <yofel> yeah, I don't have any problems there, except prefering to orient myself by colors
[00:19] <coz_> I was always under the impression that 'accessibility " features are taken into consideration before anything else,, apparenlty that phylosophy has changed
[00:20] <gnomie> touche
[00:20] <gnomie> something has shifted indeed
[00:21] <coz_> well if anyone finds the link to a mini iso ,, let me know :)
[00:22] <yofel> hm
[00:22] <yofel> !minimal
[00:22] <gnomie> lulz.. thought you were referring to 'dell mini'
[00:22] <coz_> ah  now why didnt i think of that factoid!?  duh
[00:22] <coz_> ah not avialable on that link
[00:23] <yofel> just take one of the iso links on the page and s/natty/oneiric
[00:23] <coz_> gnomie,  no :) I prefer using the mini iso  even at beta stage if possible
[00:23] <yofel> the isos are there
[00:23] <coz_> ok cool
[00:25] <g30> Howdie all :)
[00:26] <coz_> g30,         hey
[00:28] <g30> hi
[00:28] <bazhang> hi
[00:31] <gnomie> i say this again, though.. unity2d for oneiric is a lot nicer than what you get from repos for 11.04
[00:33] <coz_> that's good news
[00:33] <gnomie> i call them as i sees them
[00:33] <gnomie> >:)
[00:34] <gnomie> <-- full gnomish fiend
[00:34] <zhiwei> hello, Battery Icon still exist on panel event it is changed.
[00:35] <zhiwei> How to resolve this problem?
[00:36] <gnomie> believe it or not.. the main reason i like gnomunity is the terminal. if i didn't care, i be using kde .. there is something about gnome that compells me to use the terminal  0.o
[00:36] <zhiwei> I can't find gnome-power-management
[00:39] <Onlyodin> When I Ctrl-V (paste) in nautilus after using Ctrl-C to copy a file, instead of pasting the file(s), the filenames are pasted in a find input box. Is there a way I can revert that behaviour?
[00:39] <Onlyodin> I'm sure Ctrl-V used to paste files, not filenames.
[00:40] <coz_> Onlyodin,  mm not sure I dont have it installed yet but try shift+ctrl+v
[00:41] <gnomie> yah, some things like that look inverted lately
[00:42] <gnomie> the shift.. told ya
[00:42] <gnomie> o.0
[00:42] <gnomie> y2k12
[00:44] <Onlyodin> I wonder if it's related to this: http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=88b535828ddacd7ec2313d52a21f164aee535fa3
[00:46] <Onlyodin> Hmm, yes. Upstream. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651574
[00:50] <Drakeson> Does compiz support having two monitors placed vertically (for instance when you put your laptop beneath your larger monitor)?
[00:50] <coz_> Drakeson,  it should ...yes
[00:51] <coz_> Drakeson,  I have not tested it with vertical dual monitors however
[00:51] <coz_> since that arrangement would be taken care of the graphics utility
[00:51] <coz_> but I believe it has already been done
[00:51] <Drakeson> well, it behaves awkwardly
[00:51] <coz_> oh?
[00:51] <coz_> Drakeson,  in what ways?
[00:51] <Drakeson> for example, you cannot drag a window from top to bottom!
[00:52] <coz_> Drakeson,  which video card are you using?
[00:52] <Drakeson> intel
[00:52] <coz_> Drakeson, oh!!
[00:52] <coz_> Drakeson,  I know less about intel graphics than I do about ati,, I generally always use nvidia
[00:53] <coz_> with n vidia  settings the arrangement using twinview can be altered to any monitor configuration
[00:53] <Drakeson> also, it places new windows wrong. the title-bar is placed beneath the panel.
[00:53] <zhiwei> hi, anyone can resolve this problem?http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1849622
[00:53] <coz_> Drakeson,  let me swtich my monitor config to vertical and start compiz ...hold on
[00:54] <zhiwei> I have the same case with Drakeson .
[00:54] <zhiwei> battery icon appears even if the power is charged
[00:54] <Peter_Bilt> i am an ubuntuhuman
[00:54] <Drakeson> coz_: I can change the settings fine. I am guess compiz only expects horizontally placed monitors.
[00:55] <Peter_Bilt> who invented ubuntus?
[00:55] <Drakeson> "invent"?
[00:55] <Peter_Bilt> yes
[00:55] <coz_> Drakeson,  looks like you are correct
[00:55] <Drakeson> ubuntu is a project.
[00:55] <mingdao_> must have been Al Gore, eh?
[00:55] <Peter_Bilt> no its a swaheli word or something
[00:55] <yofel> Peter_Bilt: ask Mark, he should know
[00:55] <mingdao_> no ... he invented the internet :-)
[00:55] <coz_> Drakeson,  what you might want to do is go to #compiz-dev and speak with smspillaz
[00:56] <g30> HA @ AlGore
[00:56] <Peter_Bilt> im just curious
[00:56] <coz_> Drakeson,  if anyone can explain and or correct this ,, it will be be sam
[00:56] <Peter_Bilt> i thought bob ross invented ubuntu
[00:56]  * Drakeson wonders who invents words ... perhaps speakers of a language?
[00:56] <Drakeson> coz_: sure.
[00:56] <Peter_Bilt> maybe i am
[00:56] <zhiwei> coz_: did you see my problem? battery icon appears even if the power is charged, do you know how to resolve this?
[00:58] <Peter_Bilt> zhiwei: remove the battery
[00:58] <zhiwei> Peter_Bilt:  How to remove?
[00:59] <Peter_Bilt> screwdriwers or something, or a clip
[00:59] <coz_> sorry had to restart x after that change,, darn mint
[00:59] <urlin2u> Ubuntu is African and not particular to any specific African culture it has been around a long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29
[01:00] <zhiwei> Peter_Bilt: sorry I still can understand what you said.
[01:00] <Peter_Bilt> you have to remove your laptop or notebook accumulator
[01:00] <Peter_Bilt> i think that will solve the problem, but adds another
[01:01] <coz_> zhiwei,  no I dont know how to solve it at this time,,, might be a bug,,, I dont have oneiric installed yet,,,sorry
[01:01] <coz_> it is still beta software though
[01:02] <zhiwei> you mean I should physically remove battery ?
[01:02] <Peter_Bilt> yes, but don't take it seriously
[01:02] <gnomie> Peter_Bilt: stop
[01:02] <Peter_Bilt> stop apartheid
[01:02] <gnomie> join #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat
[01:03] <Drakeson> coz_: had to restart x? Since I switched to oneiric, after one or two times connecting and disconnecting the second monitor, X (or compiz) often crashes or just hangs up. every other time this happens I have to actually reboot the machine (this one is probably intel driver's fault)
[01:03] <gnomie> also, read /topic
[01:03] <Peter_Bilt> read /topic
[01:03] <Peter_Bilt> drakeson
[01:03] <Peter_Bilt> i got the same problem with my sandy bridge
[01:03] <zhiwei> I will try it now, see you when I reboot my laptop.
[01:04] <coz_> Drakeson,  sounds definitly like video driver,,, however mint linux there are issues with compiz restart or going to metacity  ,, the system freezes  ...so that's what happened here
[01:04] <Peter_Bilt> i recummend to disable any 3d acceleration or something
[01:05] <Drakeson> coz_: I get the compiz freeze, too. it crashes and after a while (1-2 minutes!) compiz is run again.
[01:06] <coz_> Drakeson,  this is not good news,,, I see you are in #compiz-dev.. as I said sam can probably explain and or fix the issue,, however ,, he lives in austrailia so you may have to adjust your questions for when he is likely on  and they are a day ahead also :)
[01:06] <Peter_Bilt> my z68 is goin g crazy with xorg, its like xorg is the  apache and the rest of the system the US Army in the late 19th century
[01:06] <Drakeson> coz_: oh, thanks for the tip. I'll try to contact him later.
[01:07] <gnomie> !bug | Drakeson
[01:07] <Drakeson> gnomie: please!
[01:07] <Peter_Bilt> maybe aspie who knows
[01:08] <Usagiakumu> I am loving the new beta, however I was hoping that the Ubuntu button would be moved back to the top of the bar
[01:08] <gnomie> this channel is not a replacement for filing bugs
[01:08] <Usagiakumu> it doesnt look right on the dock
[01:09] <Usagiakumu> it looks out of place, I like the placement in 11.04 better
[01:09] <Drakeson> gnomie: I vaguely remember I actually filed a bug for this one.  I am just trying to make sure it is well communicated before next months ;)
[01:10] <Usagiakumu> also make the icons smaller, they are too big in 11.04
[01:10] <Peter_Bilt> Usagiakumu: yeah the icons are way to large
[01:10] <User_007> Hey guys! I got Oneiric beta2 today and it comes with lots of problems...
[01:10] <Usagiakumu> it gets really annoying when you have like 50+ applications
[01:10] <Peter_Bilt> Usagiakumu: they look like a toy computer
[01:10] <Drakeson> gnomie: I'll try to make sure I actually did.  Meanwhile please expect frustrated people to _also_ talk about embarrassing bugs here.
[01:11] <Usagiakumu> im not saying these are problems and I love all the changes
[01:11] <User_007> can anyone help me minimizing effects of graphic interface?
[01:11] <Usagiakumu> also pleas for the love of all thats holy unanchor the dock from the left
[01:11] <Usagiakumu> I want to MOVE it to the bottom or the right out of my way
[01:12] <Usagiakumu> being anchored to the left is really fricking annoying
[01:12] <Peter_Bilt> the most embarassing bug was a non working network manager
[01:12] <gnomie> Usagiakumu: file a wishlist bug on launchpad or join us in brainstorm.ubuntu.com
[01:12] <Drakeson> Usagiakumu: that has been discussed elsewhere. I guess there were bug reports / wishes about the placement of the dock.
[01:12] <Usagiakumu> other than that amazing work all
[01:12] <urlin2u> User_007, which desktop, and be very specific in unity compiz is part of the DE.
[01:12] <Usagiakumu> I love the new Unity otherwise
[01:12] <Peter_Bilt> because someone on a very elevated mental level forgot to add it in the package
[01:12] <gnomie> Drakeson: noted.. just adding my two cents
[01:13] <Usagiakumu> just move the Ubuntu button back to the global menu bar where it was
[01:13] <User_007> everything turn slower, like from moving a window to open dash
[01:13] <Usagiakumu> being where its at just looks wrong
[01:14] <gnomie> Usagiakumu: i disagree; unlucky for you, it's not going to change at this stage
[01:14] <Usagiakumu> great work on Unity it is a lot more feature complete
[01:14] <Usagiakumu> 11.04 Unity is too naked in comparison
[01:15] <User_007> urlin2u, everything from moving a window to type on unity's dash become much slower
[01:15] <Peter_Bilt> request: adding music to the upgrade process, because sometime a user has to do some manual tasks if configuration files has to be replaced, and that stops the update. like most of us they dont sit behind the screen, they wait and do something productive
[01:15] <Drakeson> Unity's dash is slow here, too.  I blame libnux.
[01:15] <urlin2u> User_007, what is your cpu and ram, some have complained it all seems slower.
[01:16] <User_007> cpu and ram almost free... i use cpu on ondemand governor
[01:16] <User_007> changing to Performace don't help
[01:16] <Drakeson> I strongly suspect libnux is very non-optimized.
[01:17] <zhiwei> Peter_Bilt: Hello, the battery icon still exist on panel...
[01:17] <Peter_Bilt> zhiwei: strange
[01:17] <User_007> urlin2u, is there anything i can do in order do reduce effects?
[01:17] <Peter_Bilt> without battery a battery level... sounds spastic to me
[01:17] <Peter_Bilt> i am paralyzed
[01:18] <zhiwei> I want to know why power-manager is not same with 11.04
[01:18] <urlin2u> User_007, part of the problem is the intertwining of compiz and unity, so messing with it itself is likely to cause problems, you can go to startup apps and turn off stuff not needed, if any there.
[01:18] <Drakeson> zhiwei: it is apparently from gnome3, now
[01:19] <Drakeson> the settings have probably changed.
[01:19] <urlin2u> User_007, there are I'm sure other tweaks i'm just not familiar with what they may be,
[01:19] <Drakeson> try to looking for its settings manually (dconf, gconf)
[01:19] <zhiwei> Drakeson: thank you.
[01:19] <Peter_Bilt> wind it up
[01:21] <Drakeson> zhiwei: e.g.: look at "gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power"
[01:21] <User_007> urlin2u, how can i edit startup programs? (are they the ones that start every session?)
[01:22] <Peter_Bilt> i hope the next ubuntu has the same startup manager like fedfnorda 15
[01:23] <urlin2u> User_007, yeah startup applications in the dash search, as of now I believe there is little there. I wish I could adjust the speed of the side panel myself but have mot found out how.
[01:23] <Peter_Bilt> punky parrot or something
[01:23] <urlin2u> not*
[01:24] <User_007> urlin2u, by speed of the side panel you mean how fast it appears or disapears?
[01:24] <urlin2u> User_007, yeah way to slow for me.
[01:24] <User_007> you can easily change it using CCSM
[01:24] <Peter_Bilt> pejorative parrot
[01:24] <urlin2u> User_007, the speed where.
[01:24] <User_007> on Unity Plugin submenu
[01:25] <User_007> edge reaveal timeout
[01:26] <urlin2u> User_007, doh so obvious thanks, I have the cube and tons of other plugins running.
[01:26] <zhiwei> I have two ubuntu one in my ubuntu Dash
[01:27] <gnomie> "sure there'll be more than one unpleasant surprise before we're done" daytrip to the jungle - tribal massacre
[01:27] <Peter_Bilt> rumble in the jungle yeh
[01:28] <gnomie> Peter_Bilt: join me in : #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:28] <User_007> Drakeson, you say libnux is not optimized, but it was there on natty?
[01:28] <zhiwei> ls
[01:30] <User_007> Drakeson, it was on version 0.96 on natty, now on 1.0, maybe the natty version is faster than oineiric
[01:39] <User_007> how can i choose what version of libnux to use?
[01:41] <urlin2u> User_007, if both are in synaptic you can lock the one you want.
[01:43] <User_007> i installed manually the older version, and i still have the oineric version (different package names) but i want my aplications to use the older version
[01:44] <User_007> so how to do that?
[01:45] <urlin2u> 14736251jOpBnaZvsN
[01:45] <urlin2u> in synaptic look in menu
[01:46] <User_007> ok
[01:47] <User_007> i don't know why, but my synaptic started getting a error
[01:47] <User_007> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'
[01:47] <User_007>   what():  vector::_M_range_check
[01:49] <User_007> urlin2u, i don't know why, but my synaptic started getting a error, terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range'   what():  vector::_M_range_check
[01:49] <Roasted> is gconf-editor not in 11.10?
[01:49] <Roasted> I just got a command not found when I ran it
[01:49] <urlin2u> User_007, not sure there,
[01:50] <urlin2u> Roasted, deprecated dconf now
[01:50] <User_007> i am already searching
[01:50] <Roasted> so how would I go in and change my minmaxclose placement?
[01:50] <Stanley00> Roasted: you have to install it manually then ;)
[01:50] <Roasted> ah okay
[01:50] <Roasted> I didnt realize you could
[01:50] <Roasted> man ubuntu sure is axing a lot of nice things
[01:50] <Roasted> gconf, synaptic
[01:50] <Roasted> time for dvd, ubuntu?
[01:51] <Stanley00> Roasted: gonf-editor is on the liveCD, but I dont know it's removed when installed ;))
[01:51] <Roasted> well
[01:51] <urlin2u> User_007, you will find lock under package if you get it back (synaptic
[01:52] <Roasted> it is, evidently
[01:52] <Roasted> I installed 11.10 yesterday via liveusb and its clearly not ehre
[01:52] <Roasted> all Id id was install gnome shell once I got into it, so I doubt it just disappeared
[01:52] <User_007> urlin2u, but lock package isn't just in order to don't let it upgrade?
[01:52] <Roasted> I also noticed alt f2 functionality was gone in gnome shell as well. I had to go to keyboard bindings and re-add it.
[01:52] <urlin2u> Roasted, gconf or dconf?
[01:52] <jakemp> do I need to reinstall to get the new beta? I did a dist upgrade, and I don't see the shiny new login screen.
[01:53] <Roasted> gconf
[01:53] <Stanley00> Roasted: alt + f2 is integrated in the Dash ;)
[01:53] <Roasted> right
[01:53] <Roasted> I get that
[01:53] <Roasted> but it's not in gnome shell in 11.10
[01:54] <Stanley00> Roasted: oh, I dont know that, I work well with unity ;)
[01:54] <Roasted> I didnt like unity much in 11.04, but it seems to work nicely here
[01:54] <Roasted> a big reason I used GS was because it didnt suck up a ton of ram and resources on my netbook to run. in fact, GS ran lighter than... XFCE...
[01:54] <Roasted> but untiy in 11.10 is far far far more usable. but it's still not GS. :P
[01:55] <urlin2u> User_007, lock I believe means no upgrade to the locked package
[01:56] <User_007> urlin2u, i already locked it on synaptic, it means it won't upgrade,
[01:57] <User_007> but i still have the two versions
[01:57] <User_007> how i make it use only the old one?
[01:57] <urlin2u> User_007, yeah older link but info. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-lock-package-versions-from-synaptic-package-manager.html
[01:57] <urlin2u> User_007, only have one installed
[01:58] <User_007> urlin2u, my problem is not locking version, as i said before the packages have different names
[01:58] <urlin2u> User_007, I can't say what your doing will work as actual package but that is the gist.
[01:58] <User_007> so they survive together on the same installation... is like having firefox4 and firefox 5
[01:58] <urlin2u> User_007,  would not know.
[01:58] <urlin2u> I
[01:59] <User_007> okay
[02:01] <User_007> Guys, is there any way to revert unity and stuff from oneiric back to natty?
[02:02] <macer1> all ubuntu or only unity?
[02:03] <User_007> only unity/compiz and stuff
[02:03] <macer1> not possibl
[02:03] <macer1> e
[02:03] <macer1> 11.10 is using GTK3
[02:03] <macer1> natty not
[02:03] <User_007> and Natty GTK2
[02:03] <macer1> yup
[02:03] <User_007> so that's why all that stuff is so buggy
[02:03] <escott> !downgrade
[02:15] <jakemp> no spiffy login screen, and synaptic keeps crashing =(
[02:16] <Drakeson> jakemp: do you have lightdm or still on gdm?
[02:16] <jakemp> jeremy@solid-ocelot:~$ gdm
[02:16] <jakemp> The program 'gdm' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[02:16] <jakemp> I don't have gdm installed
[02:16] <jakemp> oh whoops
[02:17] <Drakeson> jakemp: don't do that! do: dpkg -l | grep gdm , or something like that
[02:17] <jakemp> that returns nothing
[02:17] <Drakeson> also do: dpkg -l | grep lightdm
[02:17] <User_007> now it's oficial, something is very very wrong here... my graphic power is so bad that i can't even run a rmvb without lags
[02:17] <jakemp> 4 entries
[02:18] <jakemp> including just lightdm
[02:18] <gnomie> !lightdm
[02:18] <Drakeson> the new login screen is indeed lightdm. not sure why you are having problems
[02:18] <gnomie> !botsnack
[02:18] <User_007> something must be very wrong with my graphic driver since upgrade
[02:18] <escott> jakemp, have you tried service lightdm restart
[02:19] <jakemp> that'll log me off?
[02:19] <gnomie> my thing here is pretty sluggish too, yes
[02:19] <Drakeson> User_007: which driver? I am on intel and it went crappy since upgrade.
[02:19] <User_007> Radeon, my card is a X1200 (integrated on laptop)
[02:21] <jakemp> nope, restarting lightdm did not work
[02:22] <User_007> Drakeson, do you use opensource drivers too?
[02:23] <escott> jakemp, is lightdm showing up in ps aux | grep lightdm?
[02:24] <jakemp> yes 2 times (+ grep)
[02:24] <escott> jakemp, two times? on the same VT? what happens if you ctrl-alt-F# to that VT
[02:24] <User_007> Drakeson, maybe something on xorg...
[02:25] <jakemp> escott, VTs seem to be working fine, here is the output of that ps: http://pastebin.com/svbfSv1e
[02:26] <escott> jakemp, so what do you see when you ctrl-alt-f7?
[02:27] <User_007> well, i will try something on old Gnome...
[02:27] <jakemp> escott, it takes me to my main graphical window
[02:28] <escott> jakemp, im confused. what exactly is the problem here
[02:29] <jakemp> I read that the new beta had a nice new login screen
[02:30] <escott> jakemp, but you are already logged into the gui right?
[02:30] <jakemp> yes.
[02:31] <escott> jakemp, well thats why you cant see lightdm, you only see it when you logout
[02:32] <jakemp> well yeah, but when I rebooted, it wasn't there, and when I restarted lightdm it wasn't there
[02:32] <jakemp> not a huge deal
[02:32] <jakemp> the screenshots just looked shiney.
[02:59] <bandit5432> any one know of some hacks for the nautilus ui to change the layout of the forward and back buttons
[03:03] <macer1> bandit5432, install marlin.
[03:03] <macer1> I don't know any hacks
[03:03] <macer1> but try marlin, elementary file browser
[03:03] <bandit5432> ok
[03:03] <bandit5432> that in the official repos?
[03:04] <bandit5432> nvm i will look
[03:05] <bandit5432> that looks like just what i want
[03:05] <bazhang> !find marlin
[03:08] <bandit5432> looks like there is no stable marlin
[03:08] <bandit5432> are you using elementary ?
[03:09] <macer1> bandit5432, no, there is ppa for that
[03:10] <macer1> it is in beta, but is much faster that nautilus, and looks better
[03:13] <bjsnider> it's not going to be in ubuntu if it's not in debian
[03:13] <bjsnider> and it's not in debian
[03:13] <bandit5432> nope i see that looks promising though
[03:15] <bjsnider> promising in what way?
[03:15] <bandit5432> more customizable but i dont have it installed so its looks might be decieving
[03:17] <bandit5432> i just downloaded the git source of nautilus to see if it lists the items that can be customized in nautilus-toolbar-ui.xml
[03:18] <bandit5432> and i probably wont find what i am looking for
[03:22] <bandit5432> i wish that nautilus button where customizable like firefox
[03:22] <bandit5432> buttons'
[03:29] <bandit5432> hmm does any one use the gnome fallback mode?
[03:31] <macer1> me
[03:32] <bandit5432> do you use gnome-shell or unity at all?
[03:32] <macer1> yes, I use
[03:32] <macer1> I have shell, unity, kde and fallback installed
[03:32] <bandit5432> which do you use the most?
[03:34] <bandit5432> i am trying to edit oneiric so that it will work like gnome2 and so far its working ok with some minor things that i will need to change or learn to live with
[03:34] <macer1> gnome-shell because it is not crashing now, unity is very crashing because of compiz. But now there is dependency problem with gnome-shell and it stopped working
[03:34] <macer1> unity is cool, but buggy and crashy
[03:41] <bandit5432> sorry i cant get past the mac look to force myself to use it
[03:45] <gnomie> bummer. flash updates...
[03:46] <bandit5432> flash updates out since thursday
[03:46] <gnomie> there are some for today
[03:46] <bandit5432> again
[03:47] <bandit5432> where no blog post on psirt or isc
[03:50] <bjsnider> there are extensions to gnome-shell that can bring back the menus and bottom taskbar if you want it to be more like gnome 2
[03:51] <bandit5432> i like the fallback mode and i am working on the rest
[03:51] <bjsnider> although the extensions have be updated for 3.2 because some of the api has changed
[03:51] <bandit5432> hoping to not have to bail on gnome to xcfe i like gnome
[03:51] <bjsnider> i've got a workspace switcher, a paces menu, a system monitor, et al.
[03:55] <bandit5432> i think i would like unity and or gnome-shell on my tablet
[04:05] <jakemp> okay, one monitor above the other is really not well done
[04:05] <jakemp> When I click on the icon to pull up multiple windows, they pop up in the split, and under the bar
[04:06] <jakemp> at the top of the lower screen
[04:07] <jakemp> And the bug where I can't move a window to the bottom monitor is still here
[04:07] <jakemp> the top of a window can't enter the bottom screen
[04:24] <h00k> Can anyone on Oneiric get to google.com on chromium or firefox?
[04:24] <urlin2u> h00k, are you serious?
[04:25] <h00k> urlin2u: I am.
[04:25] <h00k> urlin2u: check this out. hah.
[04:25] <urlin2u> h00k, your link yes
[04:25] <h00k> http://i.imgur.com/hRPvE.jpg
[04:25] <h00k> urlin2u: ^
[04:25] <h00k> It
[04:25] <h00k> is like...half loading dropbox.com and half google.com
[04:26] <urlin2u> h00k, have you changed the theme of your setup?
[04:26] <h00k> urlin2u: no, I keep it quite stock for testing,
[04:27] <h00k> Firefox is now giving me http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/696479/
[04:28] <urlin2u> h00k, mine has the panel black I wonder if your gpu is acting up, not sure really, I don't use chrome but I get google.
[04:28] <urlin2u> on FF
[04:29] <h00k> when in doubt, reboot!
[04:29] <h00k> works now.
[04:31] <urlin2u> h00k, your top panel still gray?
[04:31] <h00k> urlin2u: yep. Oh, that theme. I did change that, yes.
[04:31] <h00k> to Radiance
[04:32] <urlin2u> h00k, I thought so all the colors were the same, well it works now cool.
[06:28] <Name141> Is the Beta going to be a fair "look in to the future" , as in GUI wise of how the final release is going to be ?
[06:29] <Name141> I'm thinking about downloading it and using it on a virtual machine to test it out and get familier with the non-Gnome mumbo jumbo
[06:44] <Hitrime> hello?
[06:50] <Hitrime> how do I reset xorg?
[06:51] <Hitrime> hello?
[07:49] <tablemaster> I had beta 1 installed, but was having a problem on boot where the login screen never showed up and I just got the tail of the boot process showing up. I updated with update manager to the latest packages, but I still get the same problem
[07:51] <tablemaster> when I boot, I have to switch to a different tty and use startx to get anything to happen, what can I reinstall to fix it?
[08:14] <stodan> did anyone try to install beta2 with btrfs over dm-crypt and lvm? install always fails on linux-generic package
[08:15] <stodan> trying to do it on vbox, guided crypt with default ext4 works fine, but if I switch to btrfs on last step - no luck
[08:19] <stodan> i am reinstalling with en locale, so i can paste log, but it always says "No space left on device" while unpacking (i guess) modules (this time c_can_platform.ko)
[08:31] <gnomie> there is still something steadily using 50% cpu here that's not registering as a process
[08:33] <gnomie> hold on.. its system monitor itself .
[08:33] <gnomie> :o
[08:34] <gnomie> however, that doesn't explain why the system is so sluggish . if i kill every user app, something is still slowing down the system
[08:35] <zhiwei> battery icon still appears on panel even if it's full charge.
[08:36] <gnomie> zhiwei: check its setting; in older versions you could some of its behaviour
[08:37] <gnomie> *change
[08:37]  * Name141 tries again
[08:38] <Name141> Is the Beta going to be a fair "look in to the future" , as in GUI wise of how the final release is going to be ?  I was thinking about using it to get used to the new non-Gnome GUI.
[08:38] <zhiwei> gnomie: power-manager is not like the old version,so I don't know how to check it's setting.
[08:38] <gnomie> try right clicking on the icon
[08:38] <zhiwei> I tried , but there is help.
[08:39] <zhiwei> gnomie: see this:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1849622
[08:40] <gnomie> system settings gives me a very anemic feel lately. not much in there as far as settings really..
[08:40]  * gnomie chuckles a bit
[08:41] <l33o> hi
[08:41] <zhiwei> gnomie: so, how to resolve this problem? battery icon
[08:41] <gnomie> Name141: first off, 11.10 uses gnome3. unity runs on top of it
[08:42] <Name141> gnomie: So there would be an option to go back to the classic look?
[08:42] <gnomie> zhiwei: i wouldnt know, gnomie not mobile
[08:42] <gnomie> :(
 since 5 days the ubuntu update doesnt show new updates...i am here on lubuntu 11.10 ...is this a known bug ???
[08:43] <htorque> Name141: classic as in in gtk2 gnome-panel - nope. but you can install 'gnome-session-fallback' to get the new gnome-panel based classic session.
[08:43] <htorque> which you can choose from the login screen
[08:43] <Name141> htorque: I suppose I would know better if I downloaded it and tested it under a virtual machine ?
[08:44] <gnomie> Name141: only options are unity [for accelerated displays] and unity2d for all others with low hardware specs
[08:45] <Name141> gnomie: I reckon I'll just test it out and go from there
[08:45] <htorque> Name141: sure, that's the best way to take a look at pre-release software anyway as it won't affect your stable system.
[08:45] <l33o> what is the best and recommended way to update (l)ubuntu 11.10 ?? with ubuntu update, with synaptic or with apt-get update ?
[08:47] <gnomie> and yes, at this stage, 11.10 has the look of the final. but as far as am concerned it's pretty buggy . granted, it should run better on newer hardware, however, there are quite a few bugs that might halt your experience
[08:48] <Name141> htorque: I'm making the bet that the next LTS will be Unity anyway? (or too far out to tell?)
[08:48] <htorque> Name141: it certainly will be unity
[08:48] <Name141> htorque: Looks like I better get used to it then.
[08:49] <Name141> why the change from Gnome anyway?
[08:50] <gnomie> furthermore, running this beta on virtual machine has proven even buggier, some features of unity are known not to work well in such environment
[08:50] <l33o> any 1 here who knows a good q&a concerning ubuntu 11.10 ?
[08:51] <Name141> gnomie: Will this GUI be the same as the one in the stable release of Ubuntu then?
[08:51] <htorque> no idea, GNOME Shell just wasn't where canonical would have liked to go. besides, the very first version of unity came earlier than the first usable version of GNOME Shell.
[08:51] <gnomie> Name141: it is likely to be the case, yes
[08:52] <htorque> Name141: in virtualbox you need to activate 2d acceleration and install the guest additions to get unity (3d). else you'll see unity 2d, which looks almost the same.
[08:54] <l33o> are you all getting the updates the last days?
[08:54] <l33o> since 5 days it seems there are no new updates for ubuntu and lubuntu 11.10
[08:54] <l33o> everything else seems working fine...i had this know lost network bug but i guess i solved it
[08:56] <gnomie> l33o: there are currently no system indicators for new updates, check manually by checking the power button on top right or manually checking with  apt-get
[08:57] <l33o> thank you gnomie
[08:57] <gnomie> hm.. i should have edited that better
[08:57] <gnomie> must be the coffee
[08:57] <l33o> what is the exact shell command for ubuntu 11.10 updates? first sudo apt-get update
[08:57] <l33o> and then apt-get distr-upgrade??
[08:58] <gnomie> then: sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:58] <l33o> sorry, havent found any infos on this on the net
[08:58] <l33o> thank you very much
[08:58] <l33o> :)
[09:00] <htorque> l33o: 'man apt-get' ;-)
[09:00] <gnomie> you could even do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:00] <gnomie> in the same line
[09:00] <gnomie> just as such
[09:00] <gnomie> also, what htorque said
[09:00] <l33o> ok
[09:01] <htorque> upgrade: will update installed packages, but won't install new packages and won't remove installed packages. dist-upgrade will update, remove, add new packages if necessary - so always take a good look what's going to happen, else you could remove half of your system. ;)
[09:01] <l33o> i know...but i thought because its a distribution upgrade there are different update rules
[09:01] <gnomie> ?
[09:01] <l33o> like outside x-window with init 3 ( like in sid)
[09:02] <gnomie> are you not on 11.10 yet?
[09:02] <l33o> i am
[09:02] <gnomie> alright
[09:02] <l33o> lubuntu 11.10
[09:02] <htorque> if you are on 11.10 you just need to update like normal
[09:02] <htorque> on the day of the release you will have 11.10 final
[09:03] <l33o> :)
[09:03] <l33o> this day will be in some days :)
[09:03] <l33o> tried many  linux distros and lubuntu works best here onmy old laptop
[09:06] <swat_> lubuntu? that's a new one!
[09:07] <gnomie> not quite
[09:07] <gnomie> !lubuntu
[09:07] <gnomie> not officially endorsed by canonical though, but it's been around
[09:08] <swat_> hmm, interesting
[09:08] <l33o> i thought lubuntu is the official ubuntu release
[09:08] <swat_> i curently use unity 2d on my netbook
[09:08] <swat_> it works pretty well, but can be slow sometimes
[09:12] <IamDoing> I have tried 10.04, 10.10, 11.04. And now trying to test 11.10 e.g: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:12] <IamDoing> All my old test has PCI-X1 capture card failure.
[09:12] <gnomie> gee.. 30% ram used and somehow there is a program using swap  :-/
[09:16] <htorque> gnomie: 30% including buffers and cache?
[09:18] <gnomie> IamDoing: pci-x is old indeed.. also mostly found in servers
[09:19] <gnomie> htorque: 30% overall , yes
[09:19] <htorque> that's weird. maybe it's swap from earlier when ram usage was closer to 100%?
[09:19] <gnomie> i don't think swap should be used at this point, but.. it is  :o
[09:19] <gnomie> nah..
[09:20] <htorque> sudo swapoff -a ; sudo swapon -a
[09:20] <htorque> swap empty ;)
[09:20] <IamDoing> gnomie, 10.04 it worked. 11.04 i have this http://i.imgur.com/EDlUU.png , now installing 11.10 to see will this show up http://i.imgur.com/EDlUU.png
[09:20] <gnomie> htorque: yah, but.. something is leaking to swap for no reason
[09:21] <IamDoing> Is this bug fixed in 11.10 ? any idea http://i.imgur.com/EDlUU.png
[09:22] <IamDoing> 11.10 while installing says "Installer crashed, we are sorry; the installer crashed. After you close this window, we will allow you to file a bug report...." While choosing timezone step.
[09:22] <IamDoing> System shut down not allowing to install 11.10.
[09:23] <IamDoing> 11.10 is there any stable release?
[09:24] <IamDoing> I was testing this release: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/oneiric-desktop-amd64.iso
[09:26] <jbicha> 11.10 hasn't had a stable release yet, but you could try the Beta 2 image: http://releases.ubuntu.com/oneiric/
[09:27] <AlanBell> can someone try running orca and confirming bug 851694
[09:27] <l33o> ;)
[09:27] <IamDoing> OK let me try. the one that i was trying it says again "The installer encountered an error copying files to hard disk: Errno 5] input/output error
[09:31] <l33o> i am much too stupid to understand this:
[09:31] <IamDoing> 11.10 the latest daily build that i was trying, it boots as try mode. But it does not boot in Gnome mode, always use Unity as fallback. Was that normal? (downloading Beta 2 for testing)
[09:31] <l33o> Need to get 347 MB of archives.
[09:31] <l33o> After this operation, 795 kB disk space will be freed
[09:31] <l33o> hehehe
[09:31] <l33o> crazy isnt it?
[09:32] <IamDoing> My system is i7 processor, 8GB ram, 500GB disk, PCI-X1 1 capture card, PCI-X1 1 GB ethernet interface, USB 3.0
[09:37] <l33o> reboot cu later
[09:41] <nmvictor> In Natty, their was System>Preference>Windows item which one would use to enable "Select window on mouse over" feature, how do i achieve that feature in Oneiric, I miss that feature, I very much loved it.
[09:43] <Peter_Bilt> oneric ork
[09:43] <Peter_Bilt> from planet mork
[09:44] <nmvictor> Peter_Bilt:  is that in response to my concern, please?
[09:49] <IamDoing> 11.10 Beta 2 after installation, its asking "System program problem detected"
[09:52] <gnomie> !apport | IamDoing
[09:52] <gnomie> ok.. so ubottu doesn't now about apport..
[09:53] <gnomie> hm
[09:53] <gnomie> i was going to suggest him to follow the rabbit..
[09:54] <gnomie> :(
[09:54] <gnomie> AlanBell: trying to figure which speech server i like best
[09:55] <gnomie> also, your video give me a couple lulz .. not a bad thing though, just saying
[09:55] <murlidhar> err i am not able to configure unity :(
[09:56] <murlidhar> using compiz
[09:56] <murlidhar> i have installed compiz settings manager and launched it using the command about:config
[09:56] <gnomie> murlidhar: not able to configure unity replaced content for bug 1
[09:56] <murlidhar> but i don't see how to resize the launcher icons :(
[09:57] <IamTrying> 11.10 Beta2, Can  i not do apt-get install dkms? or search ?
[09:58] <murlidhar> so you mean i can't resize the icon of the launcher ?
[09:59] <gnomie> pretty sure you cannot at this point..
[09:59] <murlidhar> awww it was possible in 11.04
[09:59] <gnomie> try that method then.. let us know
[10:01] <murlidhar> i tried and it didn't work.
[10:01] <IamTrying> 11.10 B2, when i am downloading something. And i use apt-get install dkms it does notothing. But wnow dkms wwas intallsing.
[10:01] <murlidhar> there is a third party app that does it. its called confity . its in sourceforge too
[10:02] <gnomie> unity isn't known for 'configurable', we can agree on that
[10:03] <murlidhar> it was configurable to some extent atleast
[10:03] <murlidhar> now its not anymore :(
[10:05] <gnomie> by unconventional methods, sure.. like directly messing with gconf .. ugh
[10:06] <gnomie> but i don't advocate for such practices really
[10:07] <gnomie> it only adds pain and suffering when things go wrong
[10:07] <murlidhar> well there is unity plugin in compiz ...isn't it ?
[10:07] <murlidhar> ccsm
[10:07] <murlidhar> compiz config settings manager
[10:07]  * gnomie wouldnt know, unity2d tester here
[10:07] <murlidhar> ah
[10:07] <Stanley00> murlidhar: yes
[10:09] <murlidhar> Stanley00: its not there in my installation
[10:09] <murlidhar> i don't know if i messed it up . can i reset it ?
[10:09] <murlidhar> the compiz so that i get the unity plugin back into the ccsm
[10:09] <murlidhar> reset*
[10:10] <Stanley00> murlidhar: dont know what you mean exactly. do you mean unity plugin not in your ccsm?
[10:10] <murlidhar> yes its not in my ccsm
[10:11] <murlidhar> i remember there was an option to resize the icon of unity launcher and set the transperency of the launcher too and the panel
[10:11] <Stanley00> murlidhar: strange, are you using unity or unity2d?
[10:11] <murlidhar> hmmm
[10:11] <murlidhar> i think i am using unity
[10:12] <murlidhar> not sure :(
[10:12] <murlidhar> how can i figure it out?
[10:12] <Stanley00> murlidhar: you may try reset unity, I dont know if it works
[10:12] <murlidhar> Stanley00: can i reset compiz with default plugins ?
[10:13] <Stanley00> murlidhar: the command is unity --reset, I think
[10:13] <murlidhar> brb
[10:13] <Stanley00> murlidhar: good luck
[10:17] <murlidhar> well funny but unity didn't seem to install and i just installed it and logged in using unity
[10:18] <murlidhar> and goodness me the unity2d looked so much like unity
[10:18] <Stanley00> murlidhar: :))
[10:18] <murlidhar> Stanley00: hehe.. silly me : )
[10:18] <murlidhar> glad the icons could be resized now
[10:18] <murlidhar> i like smaller icons
[10:19] <Stanley00> murlidhar: yes, unity2d is made to be as same as unity as possible ;)
[10:19] <Stanley00> murlidhar: me too, 40 or 38 is suite for me ;)
[10:19] <murlidhar> na i have brought it down to 32
[10:21] <murlidhar> http://i.imgur.com/Zomwo.png
[10:22] <Stanley00> murlidhar: nice, isnt it? ;)
[10:22] <murlidhar> yes but i am now wondering if i can delete the pic from imgur .
[10:22] <murlidhar> lol
[10:23] <Stanley00> :))
[10:24] <Arnold> Hello. After I updated Firefox to the latest upstream version (stable 7.0), both the default homepage and the search bar changed.
[10:25] <Arnold> about:startpage -> the title is Not Found, contents are "The requested URL /11.04/Ask.com/ was not found on this server."
[10:25] <Arnold> And the default search engine is Ask.com, and there is nothing else there.
[10:26] <murlidhar> waste of space in imgur ... i mean . it was just temperory one.
[10:27] <Stanley00> Arnold: dont know that, I just downloading it
[10:27] <Arnold> Stanley00, it's been like that after I updated from b7 to stable.
[10:28] <murlidhar> Stanley00: ah i think i have managed it ..click on the link now :)
[10:28] <murlidhar> err didn't work
[10:28] <murlidhar> lol
[10:28] <Stanley00> murlidhar: lol
[10:29] <Stanley00> Arnold: you can reconfig it,
[10:29] <Arnold> Stanley00, I know, but I wanted to know whether this is a bug, or a planned feature
[10:30] <Stanley00> Arnold: you are right, it change to ask.com, and google is out :(
[10:30] <Arnold> According to some sources, Ubuntu Firefox Modifications would be the cause.
[10:30] <murlidhar> Stanley00: now its removed
[10:30] <murlidhar> :p
[10:30] <IamTrying> In 11.10 Beta2, do you know why the this is getting failed? e.g: https://gist.github.com/1240458
[10:31] <murlidhar> laters all
[10:34] <Arnold> IamTrying, have you tried running this manually? "dkms build -m DesktopVideo -v 8.0.1rc4"
[10:35] <IamTrying> Arnold: yes and still same: https://gist.github.com/1240458
[10:36] <Arnold> /var/lib/dkms/DesktopVideo/8.0.1rc4/build/blackmagic_lib.c:64:47: error: ‘SPIN_LOCK_UNLOCKED’ undeclared here (not in a function)
[10:36] <Arnold> make[2]: *** [/var/lib/dkms/DesktopVideo/8.0.1rc4/build/blackmagic_lib.o] Error 1
[10:36] <IamTrying> 11.04 it was at-least getting installed. But i had a full screen black screen the reason why testing 11.10
[10:37] <Arnold> So that's the reason so far - if there's an error during make, you won't get the package source compiled.
[10:37] <Arnold> Where can I get the .deb file so that I can give it a go myself?
[10:39] <IamTrying> Arnold: 1.  http://www.blackmagic-design.com/media/1380773/Blackmagic_Desktop_Video_Linux_8.0.1.tar.gz    2. read me file ( http://www.blackmagic-design.com/media/1110770/Blackmagic_Desktop_Video_Linux_8.0.1.txt )   2.
[10:41] <Arnold> Downloading it.. will take a while.
[10:42] <IamTrying> Ok, i just pasted the logs here for your reference: https://gist.github.com/1240458
[10:44] <Arnold> Actually, found the reason.
[10:44] <Arnold> SPIN_LOCK_UNLOCKED was entirely removed from Linux Kernel 2.6.39. And 11.10 uses 3.0.4 now.
[10:45] <Arnold> https://github.com/zfsonlinux/spl/commit/83c623aa1a8895879f03f07b060e1c53a9757f71
[10:45] <Arnold> You could use this as reference to see what has to be changed.
[10:45] <Arnold> So far you have to modify that from blackmagic.lib.c
[10:45] <Arnold> http://kerneltrap.org/node/8067
[10:45] <Arnold> Another reference.
[10:49] <IamTrying> Thank you Arnold
[10:51] <Arnold> You're welcome IamTrying. Hope it works.
[10:56] <trijntje> is ask.com the new default search engine in firefox??
[10:58] <Arnold> trijntje, there is no mentioning about it in the changelogs. Also from what it says, there were a lot of these occurrences in the past, after Firefox got upgraded.
[10:59] <trijntje> Arnold: for me it just happend, after restarting firefox after an upgrade, should i file a bug?
[11:01] <Arnold> trijntje, not sure how much that would help, but.. let me check something out fast.
[11:02] <Arnold> Since it's ubufox related.
[11:03] <Arnold> Sorry, I meant xul-ext-ubufox.
[11:10] <Arnold> Guess it's an old bug. Happened many times so far.
[11:15] <gnomie> found this while starting orca using dash: Bug #858804
[11:15] <gnomie> of course, it's still set to private
[11:16] <gnomie> launcher crashed along with orca
[11:17] <gnomie> apport only caught launcher crash tho
[11:25] <gnomie> whoa.. unity-panel-service and unity2d places just crashed, again while testing orca, which i can confirm only says 'button' for all apps after a search | AlanBell
[11:39] <gnomie> horrible. at least am not freezing as much as yesterday
[11:42] <gnomie> thunderbird is behaving admirably under the circumstances
[11:49] <gnomie> firefox is glitchy but at least doesnt crash either. the system state is not its fault anyway.
[11:50] <gnomie> mozilla is bulletproof! :o
[12:01] <AlanBell> thanks gnomie
[12:03] <AlanBell> gnomie: can you set the bug to confirmed
[12:05] <IamTrying> Arnold, Its failed with same cause https://gist.github.com/1240542
[12:30] <gnomie> AlanBell: what's the bug number again?
[12:31] <OerHeks> gnomie, you gave the number yourself, scroll back
[12:32] <gnomie> that was my bug.. AlanBell's is a different one
[12:40] <gnomie> OerHeks: perhaps you could confirm it too. set orca up, run it, then do a dash search
[12:41] <OerHeks> bug 851694 ?
[12:41] <gnomie> yes
[12:42] <OerHeks> i assume AlanBell does a great job, reproducing the bug. only bug 1 does not need reproduction ..
[13:01] <hansg01> when i tried to install utorrent server on oneiric beta 2
[13:01] <hansg01> i received ./utserver: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:12] <Stanley00> hansg01: are you using 64bit ubuntu?
[13:12] <hansg01> Stanley00: no 32 bit
[13:13] <Stanley00> hansg01: can you give me the output of "locate libssl.so"
[13:14] <hansg01> yeah  it is
[13:14] <hansg01> /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
[13:14] <hansg01> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
[13:15] <Stanley00> hansg01: that causes the prob, try make a link libssl.so.0.9.8
[13:26] <htlm> hi
[13:27] <htlm> anyone here
[13:28] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:30] <gnomie> frozen penguin
[13:30] <gnomie> sigh
[13:35] <hans01> ne one there to help me out please?
[13:35] <Rovanion> Is 32-bit wine installed on a 64-bit install of Ubuntu? http://pastebin.com/eY9nkBaX
[13:35] <Stanley00> hans01: make a link not solve your prob?
[13:36] <hans01> Stanley00: link?
[13:36] <penguin42> Rovanion: I don't know the answer, but with multiarch on oneiric you might try installing the 32bit version explicitly - apt-get install wine1.3.i386 I think should do it ?
[13:37] <Stanley00> hans01: it needs lib..0.9.8 and you have lib 1.0.0 I think make a link will do the trick?
[13:37] <OerHeks> hans try make a link libssl.so.0.9.8 to libssl.so.1.0.0
[13:37] <Rovanion> penguin42: I would rather have the opposite. My .wine is for 64-bit wine, but the installed version seems to be 32-bit
[13:37] <Stanley00> hans01: for example ln -s /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libssl.so.0.9.8
[13:38] <hans01> Stanley00: sry i dnt knw how can i do that?
[13:38] <penguin42> Rovanion: Oh I see, erm I think it's best asking a wine specialist then - I've not used it for ages
[13:38] <hans01> OerHeks: sry i dnt knw how can i do that?
[13:38] <Stanley00> hans01: open terminal, and then run that command
[13:39] <hans01> Stanley00: yeah i knw that i hv to do something in terminal
[13:39] <hans01> Stanley00: ok
[13:39] <OerHeks> hans, did you also get an error with  /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 ?
[13:40] <hans01> OerHerks: i hvnt tried yet
[13:40] <hans01> i mm sending the error again
[13:41] <OerHeks> please paste the output in paste.ubuntu.com
[13:41] <jtaylor> Stanley00: you can't symlink 1.0.0 to 0.9.8 they are not binary compatible ...
[13:41] <Stanley00> jtaylor: idk that, just try and error ;)
[13:41] <hans01> i want to install utorrent server
[13:41] <jtaylor> if you need the old library install it
[13:41] <jtaylor> its still available
[13:41] <jtaylor> libssl0.9.8
[13:42] <hans01> but when i followed the procedure
[13:42] <hans01> i got the error:
[13:42] <Stanley00> jtaylor: you're genius, it still there ;))
[13:42] <hans01> ./utserver: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.0.9.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[13:43] <Stanley00> hans01: do as jtaylor said :)
[13:43] <jtaylor> do you have it installed?
[13:43] <hans01> jtaylor: do tel me plz
[13:43] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install libssl0.9.8
[13:44] <hans01> jtaylor: ok
[13:45] <hans01> jtaylor: and the new version will be installed too?
[13:45] <hans01> i mean wat i had earlier
[13:45] <jtaylor> they can be installed at the same time yes
[13:46] <hans01> jtaylor: thank you!
[13:47] <hans01> Stanley00: thank you!
[13:47] <Stanley00> hans01: np ;)
[13:49] <BluesKaj> well I got most of my audio options sorted out withy new soundcard , (m-audio audiophile 192), it's set as default , does the digital passthru of DD and DTS , plays flash /flv files on dragon player , so all i have left to figure out is the lack of any flash audio on the websites... any suggestions ?
[13:49] <Stanley00> do anyone notices the firefox update today? where is the google search engine? what is ask.com at last?
[13:49] <jtaylor> known issue
[13:49] <jtaylor> should get fixed soon
[13:50] <Stanley00> I hope so...
[14:04] <thiebaude> How do I enable automatic login on Ubuntu 11.10?
[14:04] <hans01> thiebaunde: user accounts
[14:05] <thiebaude> hans01, Thanks :)
[14:16] <dreamon> Hello, trying install 11.10 on Laptop. Starting from cd. Install works till "installing main system" 90% it stands still. How can I take a look whats going on.
[14:17] <jtaylor> ctrl + alt + f3
[14:17] <jtaylor> or 1 2 4 don't remember
[14:17] <jtaylor> hm maybe r does that only work for the alternate installer?
[14:19] <dreamon> ctrl+alt+f1...f10 nothin happens. mousepointer is rotating. CD isn't working .. but I can make klicks on buttons (sound,Network and so on.)
[14:20] <dreamon> Think I give alternate a try. Thank you
[14:53] <TheBuntu> upgrade from 11.04 to 11.10... whats better upgrade-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d
[14:54] <penguin42> no difference
[14:54] <jtaylor> should be the same
[14:54] <TheBuntu> i dident know if cli was any faster the gui
[14:55] <jtaylor> no
[14:57] <TheBuntu> guess i just got use to pacman man in arch being so fast... But have to many probs in arch... with sound.. kde plasma troubles... never have those here
[14:58] <jtaylor> if you want a fast upgrade use force-unsafe-io or eatmydata, but if you have a power cut during it, you will probably have to reinstall ;)
[14:59] <TheBuntu> Should install the normal 250 updates before i do the upgrade
[14:59] <penguin42> jtaylor: What are those flags to?
[14:59] <jtaylor> dpkg has a force-unsafe-io flag, eatmydata is a library which you can preload
[14:59] <penguin42> ah nice
[15:00] <penguin42> dpkg can be rather painfully slow at times
[15:01] <TheBuntu> so it would be upgrade-manager -d force-unsafe-io
[15:02] <TheBuntu> or do i put that in a file
[15:03] <jtaylor> echo force-unsafe-io | sudo tee /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d/unsafe should do it
[15:03] <jtaylor> but beware this flag is dangerous
[15:03] <jtaylor> or sudo apt-get install libeatmydata; LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libeatmydata/libeatmydata.so command
[15:03] <TheBuntu> Whatt is it bypassing on the install
[15:04] <penguin42> I guess skipping the syncs
[15:04] <jtaylor> it removes fsync calls, so the steps of the installation aren't atomic anymore
[15:04] <penguin42> it's letting it carry on before the previous stuff has been written to the disk - it's fine as long as you don't lose power
[15:05] <jtaylor> if something fails during installation you end up with an inconsistent state from which it might be hard or impossible to recover
[15:05] <jtaylor> I only use it for my chroots or for fresh installs
[15:05] <jtaylor> I'd not sue it for upgrades
[15:06] <escott> TheBuntu, for an upgrade to a beta its probably best to do that in a console perhaps even under screen in case your gui goes out
[15:06] <TheBuntu> mike@Mikes-PC:~$ echo force-unsafe-io | sudo tee /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d/unsafe [sudo] password for mike:  tee: /etc/dpkg/dpkg.conf.d/unsafe: No such file or directory force-unsafe-io
[15:07] <penguin42> TheBuntu: Don't bother with it - just do the upgrade as normal
[15:07] <jtaylor> its dpkg.cfg.d
[15:09] <jtaylor> its a newer flag, it may not be available for older dpkg's, in that case you need to use eatmydata
[15:12] <tiago> Hello guys, a small question: I got 11.10 Beta 2 running here and I would like to know if when it gets officially launched, the upgrade will be smooth or will be better to format and reinstall the new version?
[15:12] <Stanley00> It will be smooth, I hope ;)
[15:12] <jtaylor> upgrading should be enough
[15:12] <tiago> nice
[15:13] <tiago> because I will have to extend the ext4 partition...
[15:13] <jtaylor> lvm ftw ;)
[15:13] <tiago> I tried with btfrs but it is really laggy
[15:13] <jtaylor> life partitioning and resizing is really nice for dev systems :)
[15:13] <penguin42> lvm is great
[15:14] <tiago> never tried lvm
[15:14] <tiago> will I need to put /boot in a ext3 partition ?
[15:14] <TheBuntu> thanks... i'll do the normal.. to be safe
[15:14] <tiago> btrfs* a typo there
[15:16] <tiago> can someone gimme this tip? Even on ext4, is it better to put the /boot in a separated ext3 partition?
[15:16]  * penguin42 doesn'tthink it makes much difference
[15:17] <tiago> right
[15:18] <tiago> thanks guys, gonna extend the partition here
[15:18] <tiago> farewell
[15:18] <TheBuntu> <--- ext4 /boot / /home /Saved/HD1 /Saved/HD2 /Saved/HD3 /Saved/HD4
[15:31] <tknudsen> good morning.  My ISP (Comcast) curiously lets me download only 500M of files only with ubuntu and beta in the name.	
[15:32] <BluesKaj> tknudsen, are you serious ..your ISP
[15:32] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:32] <tknudsen> obviously, the file is closer to 700M. I have tried 20 times with ten servers. I can download any other ISO file except Ubuntu beta2
[15:32] <jtaylor> use zsync
[15:32] <tknudsen> yes, I have emailed people at canonical and FSF
[15:32]  * tknudsen finds zsync
[15:33] <jtaylor> lets you complete on already downloaded chunks
[15:33] <tknudsen> cant I somehow share a cropped screenshot??
[15:34] <tknudsen> anyway, I took a screenshot
[15:37] <dashavoo> anyone have openGL/wine problems in 11.10?
[15:37] <tknudsen> jtaylor, zsync is running. thanks.
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> what are main changes in ocelot?
[15:38] <dashavoo> lotuspsychje: unity got better, unity got worse. Some new packages. Lots of updated packages. KDE got much better.
[15:38] <jtaylor> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> dashavoo: in your opninion what got worse in unity?
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> jtaylor: tnx for link
[15:40]  * tknudsen is digging kde 4.7. It has come of age. More features: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+specs
[15:41] <dashavoo> lotuspsychje: it isn't really that something in unity got worse, unity got far better, but classic mode is gone ;)
[15:41] <dashavoo> tknudsen: completely agree
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> cool
[15:41] <dashavoo> prior to 4.7, I hated KDE
[15:41] <dashavoo> it is suddenly a different beast altogether
[15:41] <BluesKaj> tknudsen, are you having windows size issues ? I'm also on kde 4.7
[15:41] <bjsnider> and all of a sudden with 4.7 some miracle happened
[15:41] <lotuspsychje> i love unity, but i wish one day unity bar can be moved down to bottom
[15:41] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Window size?
[15:42] <tknudsen> blueskaj,I've only tried kde on fedora 16 alpha
[15:42] <tknudsen> bjsnider, project lighthouse made it into qt 4.8. That is what is making kde better, I think.
[15:42] <dashavoo> my only real issue with 11.10 now is that I can't get opengl to work under wine
[15:43] <tknudsen> err, have only tried kde 4.7 on fedora 16, rather
[15:43] <BluesKaj> sizing penguin42 .the windows won't retain their settings
[15:43] <dashavoo> which I will stop caring about in about a month, because I will be back to having no time for games
[15:43] <dashavoo> BluesKaj: I haven't noticed that, but I haven't been paying attention to it either
[15:44] <BluesKaj> dashavoo, wine is being kept back in my updates right now
[15:44] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you mean across restarts or in general use?
[15:44] <tknudsen> jtaylor, zsync transfer has stopped. How do I move it along?
[15:44] <jtaylor> you can restart it if it hangs
[15:44] <jtaylor> it will continue with what you already have
[15:45] <jtaylor> you can also use it to upgrade your beta image to the final image and only need to download whats different
[15:45] <BluesKaj> penguin42, general use , for example the the konsole is always a small square in upper left that to be expanded each time it's opened
[15:45] <BluesKaj> has to be
[15:45] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Oh odd, no I don't get that
[15:45] <tknudsen> jtaylor, no, it didn't. From 38% to 0% on restart.
[15:45] <dashavoo> BluesKaj: I don't think wine itself is the problem, because different wine versions suffer the same fate
[15:46] <penguin42> BluesKaj: Do you have a shutdown option on your menu - mine has gone
[15:46] <jtaylor> that should be impossible, unless your ISP is really messing with all your data
[15:46] <BluesKaj> dashavoo, yeah, I don't ude wine much , but I thought I'd mention it
[15:46] <BluesKaj> use
[15:46] <tknudsen> EVERYONE: Am I the only person having difficulty downloading beta2 ISO files? I can download any other ISO in the world.
[15:48] <jtaylor> try a daily build instead of the beta
[15:48] <BluesKaj> tknudsen, are any torrents available
[15:48] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:48] <tknudsen> It quits often around 500M. Have tried 20 times with different servers. jtaylor, got a url?
[15:49] <jtaylor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:49] <dashavoo> I might experiment with different nvidia drivers
[15:49] <dashavoo> there are two other options in jockey
[15:49] <tknudsen> blueskaj, I was using the beta2 page link
[15:49] <dashavoo> anyway, ciao
[15:50] <jtaylor> hm does hedgewars work for someone?
[15:50] <tknudsen> jtaylor, hrm no server ISO
[15:50] <jtaylor> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/
[15:50] <tknudsen> thank you!
[16:07] <graingert> anyone know why I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/859004 when I try to upgrade
[16:07] <graingert> if not where I can find apt logs
[16:08] <graingert> /var/log/apt/ contains empty logs for today or old stuff from ages ago
[16:13] <Rovanion> Is 32-bit wine installed on a 64-bit install of Ubuntu? I'm having troubly running anything since my .wine is generated by a 64-bit wine: http://pastebin.com/eY9nkBaX
[16:15] <graingert> Rovanion: ah you probably added a 32 bit repo
[16:15] <graingert> Rovanion: uninstall wine add the ppa https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa#
[16:16] <tim> hi, after switching to 11.10 beta2, i cannot use wine with d3d applications any more. wine complaints: Direct3D9 is not available without OpenGL.
[16:17] <graingert> tim: do you have a compositor enabled?
[16:17] <tim> i'm using the binary nvidia driver on a 64bit ubuntu
[16:17] <graingert> do you have the latest drivers for your card
[16:17] <graingert> oh okay
[16:17] <graingert> hmm
[16:17] <graingert> odd
[16:17] <tim> graingert: i have kwin with effects
[16:18] <tim> used to work with 11.04, though
[16:18]  * penguin42 wonders if you're missing a 32bit lib
[16:18] <tim> penguin42: ia32-libs are installed
[16:19] <penguin42> tim: OK, but some stuff has moved in 11.10 - it's now got multiarch so you can install actual 32bit packages
[16:19] <tim> however i have a feeling that there are some changes with the multiarch system
[16:19] <tim> penguin42: yes, i'm suspecting the same
[16:20] <tim> penguin42: the question is, which lib ;)
[16:22] <penguin42> tim: It's possibly one of the nvidia libraries as well for extra fun
[16:33] <tim> penguin42: it seems that natty did not provide any 32bit nvidia libraries, either ... ia32-libs does ship all the opengl libraries, though ... it doesn't look like that a lot has changed
[16:36] <tknudsen> zsync ain't solving this problem
[16:36] <tknudsen> how fk'd up
[16:48] <tknudsen> fk! transfer stopped at 90%.  How do I get zsync to clinch this?
[16:49] <oCean> tknudsen: control your language please
[16:49] <tknudsen> sure
[16:50] <tknudsen> 20 transfers failing at 90%.   Am I the only person having this problem??
[16:56] <bjsnider> why don't you stop using zsync for this task
[16:57] <tknudsen> bjsnider, what would you suggest? firefox, chrome, and lynx yield the same.
[16:57] <bjsnider> just go to the command line and use wget
[16:59]  * tknudsen tries with wget. This is a very unusual problem. I've just about used the typical amount of bandwidth on this issue that I use in a month.
[16:59] <TheBuntu> had gimp 2.6.11 installed... removed gimp 2 .6.11.. trying to install 2.7 .. and geting...  The following packages have unmet dependencies: gimp : Depends: gimp-data (<= 2.6.11-z) but 2.7.3-2011082002~oo is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[16:59] <bjsnider> have you tried torrent?
[17:00] <tknudsen> bjsnider, good question. I've never tried torrent before. Will it work with the link on the beta2 page? I thought it had to be torrent specific.
[17:01] <tknudsen> downloading a 700M file hasn't been a problem before. It's running at over 2M/sec, but it just like the socket connection is getting snipped.
[17:02] <bjsnider> there will be a torrent of the beta2 spin. probably not of the daily cd
[17:02] <bjsnider> you can install the beta2 cd, but will have to turn around and install 250+ updates immediately
[17:02] <tknudsen> transfer died. I have downloaded 11.04 and fedora 16 alpha without incident. for some reason I cannot download Ubuntu beta2.
[17:03] <tknudsen> in the past 24 hours
[17:03] <OerHeks> try other mirror ?
[17:03] <tknudsen> oerherks, I've tried 8 mirrors at least
[17:04] <tknudsen> virginmedia has one fast server, btw
[17:04] <bjsnider> wget supports resuming
[17:04] <tknudsen> it didn't resume, neither did zsync
[17:05] <OerHeks> maybe worth a check > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[17:05] <bjsnider> something wrong w/ your network stack?
[17:07] <tknudsen> bjsnider, I will remove the switch.  Am running dd-wrt on the router and it is very solid. The roommates have no complaints.
[17:09] <tknudsen> died:  634,399,648 --.-K/s  eta 40s
[17:10] <bjsnider> tknudsen, checked dmesg and .xsession-errors for possible messages about this?
[17:11] <bjsnider> tknudsen, checked dmesg and .xsession-errors for possible messages about this?
[17:12] <OerHeks> can't you resume with the -c parameter ?
[17:13] <tknudsen> wget -c helped, thanks
[17:14] <OerHeks> yw
[17:15] <OerHeks> please md5sum the iso, to make sure it is errorless
[17:16] <tknudsen> oerheks, right. I'll probably transfer again to see if it was the ethernet switch driving me crazy.
[17:16] <tknudsen> nope, just died again
[17:17] <tknudsen> finished with wget -c, 2x.
[17:18] <tknudsen> My concern here is that I can download any file but an Ubuntu beta2.
[17:19] <tknudsen> so, how would I gather forensic information to present such a curious problem?
[17:19] <OerHeks> maybe it is the switch, maybe it is a bad cable
[17:19] <OerHeks> does this occure to all your machines, or just one
[17:20] <tknudsen> switch is gone, failure continued. Connection is running fast. Great service, otherwise. My other machine is down.
[17:21] <tknudsen> but it will have oneiric server on it soon!
[17:27] <bjsnider> tknudsen, i asked if there was an error mesg in dmesg or .xsession-errors that might help explain your issue
[17:28] <TheBuntu> whats the best way to fix broken packages... im geting broken package erorr
[17:29] <tknudsen> bjsnider, interesting. Only nautilus errors in there.
[17:31] <penguin42> hmm I can't get 32bit freeglut to coinstall with 64bit
[17:31] <DeviceZer0> hello all. Sometimes when i have apps on for a while...they tend to become unable to be maximized...as in i see them running in the side bar...but when i click the icon nothing happens.
[17:31] <DeviceZer0> its like they are "lost"
[17:31] <OerHeks> TheBuntu > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto#How_to_fix_broken_packages
[17:34]  * tknudsen thanks everyone for the help today, especially for your patience and consideration. Crazy problem.
[17:37] <tknudsen> is there a file that describes which distribution one has on ISO if the filename is not explicit enough?
[17:38] <TheBuntu> trying to get gimp 2.7 but this is  ppa:matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn giving me gimp-data 2.7.3 so there where im geting erorrs at
[17:39] <bjsnider> TheBuntu, that is because gimp 2.7 failed to build on amd64
[17:40] <bjsnider> so gimp-data is available but not gimp
[17:41] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: isent the gimp:i386 supose to be the 32 bit version.. thats what its giving me...
[17:44] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: last time i used ubuntu 11:04 gimp 2.7 was working on 64 bit and that wasent to long ago.... so if i go back to 11.04 grab gimp 2.7 is it going to work
[17:46] <bjsnider> i think gimp failed to build on oneiric but not on natty
[17:47] <bjsnider> and since it failed to build it may not work if you install the natty version
[17:47] <jeffrash> If I'm running beta 1, is there anything special I have to do to upgrade to beta 2?
[17:47] <bjsnider> no
[17:47] <bjsnider> just run the recommended upgrades
[17:47] <bjsnider> but we're way past beta2 now
[17:47] <bjsnider> 250 or more updates past it
[17:48] <jeffrash> no, 11.10beta2 just came out a few days ago
[17:48] <bjsnider> yeah, they do a freeze a few days before the beta spin to make sure it will work and then a large number of updates queue up behind it
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Yes, my install yesterday had 199 updates
[17:49] <bjsnider> gnome 3.1.92 was packaged after beta2
[17:49] <charlie-tca> no, it was on the images
[17:49] <bjsnider> not all of it
[17:49] <bjsnider> not mutter and gnome-shell
[17:50] <charlie-tca> oh, well, sure
[17:50] <bjsnider> the packages have been mismatched for quite a while now
[17:50] <charlie-tca> some of it wasn't quite ready yet
[17:50] <bjsnider> i think they're all up to 3.1.92 now
[17:51] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: is there away to grab the 32 bit version
[17:51] <jbicha> some less important stuff we just left at 3.1.91 since 3.2 will start showing up tomorrow
[17:51] <bjsnider> sudo apt-get install gimp:i386
[17:52] <TheBuntu> .
[17:52] <TheBuntu> ok
[17:53] <bjsnider> it's disappointing that he hasn't tried to fix the ftbfs. i think those packages are a few months old now
[17:54] <bjsnider> all of the packages he's building against in oneiric would have been updated, probably many times
[17:57] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: here's what i get with sudo apt-get install gimp:i386    http://pastebin.com/M03vfs2w
[17:58] <bjsnider> apt-get -f install
[17:59] <TheBuntu> samething
[18:00] <OerHeks> did you remove the ppa:matthaeus123/mrw-gimp-svn ?
[18:01] <TheBuntu> no
[18:02] <jbicha> well at least it looks like GIMP 2.8 will make it into Persnickety Pitbull http://tasktaste.com/projects/Enselic/gimp-2-8
[18:03] <bjsnider> jbicha, wait a minute. that's not what it's called, is it?
[18:10] <TheBuntu> bjsnider: i figured out the problem... python:i386 python-support:i386 are not there.... the rest are
[18:10] <bjsnider> pain in the butt
[18:11] <bjsnider> but the real problem is that the package hasn't been updated int he ppa
[18:11] <TheBuntu> i like the gimp 2.7... because it has better cloning
[18:12] <TheBuntu> cant i just grab those 2 package from ubuntu's 32 bit repo
[18:30] <duncan-nz> Anyone here know why after my latest update Firefox only has ask.com as a search engine? (by default)
[18:33] <dreamon> duncan-nz, I want to know,too. Think its a money thing?
[18:34] <duncan-nz> dreamon, that's what I'm worried about. But is it Canonical or Mozilla?
[18:35] <duncan-nz> How do I get widgets under the Unity desktop? I want to keep an eye on my wireless traffik for example.
[18:35] <dreamon> duncan-nz, Think Canonical, installed firefox on windows there is no ask.com.
[18:35] <duncan-nz> true, true.
[18:36] <duncan-nz> What's the channel name for bugs in 11.10?
[18:37] <rww> duncan-nz: you're in it
[18:37] <IdleOne> bugs are reported on launchpad.net
[18:38] <gener1c> hey , wassup, i am trying to make skype work but it seems i am missing the 32bit xss lib
[18:38] <gener1c> and i cant find it in apt
[18:38] <duncan-nz> Ok, where can I look to see what I should attach to a bug with my wireless connection stability and strength?
[18:39] <gener1c> using 64bit here :P
[18:39] <duncan-nz> I'm getting the same as bug 290325
[18:40] <IdleOne> just updated firefox to firefox (7.0+build2+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) and everything is fine.
[18:40] <IdleOne> nothing has changed that I can see.
[18:41] <gener1c> amazing
[18:42] <edgy> Hi, jockey is giving me two options: ATI FireGL and ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX driver, how can I tell which one is correct?
[18:44] <duncan-nz> IdleOne, what search engine do have as default?
[18:44] <IdleOne> google.ca
[18:44] <IdleOne> like always
[18:45] <duncan-nz> odd, I don't remember ever having ask.com and now it's my only choice. Hopefully it's a bug of some type.
[18:46] <FoolishOwl> It looks like the new wallpapers for Oneiric haven't been added yet. Or did I miss a package?
[19:02] <dreamon> duncan-nz, I activated package source partner of canonical an made update & upgrade, after that, I have back the normal search addons, but ask.com is still there
[19:03] <dreamon> duncan-nz, but now its possible to remove!
[19:05] <duncan-nz> dreamon, specifically the source one? I've got the compiled one enabled.
[19:05] <gener1c> ok fine ill get 64bit skype
[19:06] <dreamon> duncan-nz, did booth, partner and source of partner.
[19:07] <dreamon> duncan-nz, Sorry, using german version, so can not say exactly the right points
[19:22] <flodine> why cant i change my font size without installing gnome-tweak-tool
[19:23] <ChmEarl> will oneiric ever move to kernel 3.1?
[19:23] <rww> flodine: because lol GNOME, basically
[19:23] <rww> ChmEarl: no
[19:24] <ChmEarl> rww frozen at 3.0.0-x till after release?
[19:24] <rww> ChmEarl: 3.0.3. We don't upgrade kernel versions after a certain point, including after release
[19:25] <rww> (except backporting security fixes, obv)
[19:26] <flodine> so is there a way to make the icons to the left smaller?
[19:31] <hzsp> hello.  I'm having a problem with openjdk-7 on ocelot.  After installing openjdk-7-jdk, 'java -version' tells me that java 6 is being used.
[19:34] <gener1c> tried to install skype on my 64bit oniric in several ways
[19:34] <hzsp> I'm not too sure how to diagnose this, or what information to include in a bug report.  perhaps I should just raise the bug and see what happens.
[19:34] <gener1c> but i still miss libxss.so
[19:34] <gener1c> i installed all the packages apt-file said contained it
[19:34] <gener1c> but i dont see it in /usr/lib32
[19:35] <gener1c> or any other place
[19:43] <gener1c> anybody knows where i can get /usr/bin32/libxss.1.so?
[19:43] <jtaylor> sudo apt-get install libxss1:i386
[19:44] <gener1c> what if its already installed?
[19:44] <jtaylor> what do you need it for? skype?
[19:45] <gener1c> yeah
[19:45] <jtaylor> because there is no libxss.1.1so only a libxss.so.1
[19:46] <gener1c> libQtDBus.so.4 is missing now
[19:46] <jtaylor> then install it
[19:46] <gener1c> apt-file search...
[19:46] <jtaylor> libqt4-dbus:i386
[19:47] <jtaylor> its simpler to just install skype:i386, that will pull everything
[19:47] <gener1c> i have to specify :i386 for it to install the 32bit one and not the 64 one right?
[19:47] <gener1c> i do it for any package
[19:47] <jtaylor> yes
[19:48] <jtaylor> there is no 64 bit skype, so you need all the 32 bit stuff
[19:48] <gener1c> those lying bastards
[19:49] <jtaylor> thats what you get for using propretary closed source crap
[19:49] <gener1c> yeah i know
[19:49] <gener1c> but i have to talk to my gf somehow
[19:49] <gener1c> and teaching her ekiga would be a pain
[19:49] <jtaylor> ^^
[19:50] <gener1c> thanks for the help, ill see if it works in 4 minuts lol
[20:20] <TheBuntu> Is it me or in 11.10 is apt-get faster
[20:22] <jtaylor> must be you
[20:23] <jtaylor> I ahve the feeling its slower ._.
[20:26] <TheBuntu> really to me the whole distro seems alittle faster then 11.04 did... but then to use gimp 2.7 i had to go to ubuntu x86 insted of x86_64
[20:28] <yofel> it should be slower as multiarch means it has to process twice as much package lists
[20:29] <Rajsun> don't know about apt but aptitude sure seems faster though
[20:37] <TheBuntu> Im not doing multiarch...... im runing x86 on whole distro
[20:38] <TheBuntu> cause gimp 2.7 would not work on 64 bit
[20:38] <TheBuntu> even gimp:i386
[20:44] <yofel> ah, I'm fine with 2.6, but I'm on 64bit without multiarch
[20:45] <thiebaude> how do I stop the online keyboard to not come up after I log into Ubuntu 11.10?
[20:49] <TheBuntu> I do a lot of photo editing with cloning and 2.7 has better cloning
[21:13] <liar> hi, i somehow destroyed my themes, does anybody know how i can revert to the default style? this is the problem: http://imgur.com/YT8Is :(
[21:14] <urlin2u> liar, if you did not change the theme try a reboot.
[21:15] <jtaylor> that happens to me sometimes when compiz crashes
[21:15] <liar> urlin2u: i already tried that
[21:15] <urlin2u> liar, themes are in appearnce you give no back on the detroy.
[21:15] <urlin2u> appearance/destroy
[21:16] <liar> in appearance, "theme to be used for the UI" ?
[21:16] <liar> that only changes the titlebar for me :(
[21:18] <urlin2u> liar, in gnome3 lxappearance ambiance
[21:22] <liar> thats strange now... it changed the layout of xchat, chromium and lxapperance itself but nautilus and the unity panel are still weird
[21:24] <urlin2u> liar, how did you get to this stae?
[21:24] <urlin2u> state
[21:24] <liar> by changing the theme in lxappearance
[21:25] <urlin2u> liar, did you check the options there?
[21:25] <urlin2u> colr...etc
[21:25] <urlin2u> color
[21:28] <liar> i changed to ambiance on the widget page, changed the icons to loginicons on the icon theme page
[21:28] <urlin2u> looks like highcontrast inverse try ubuntu-mono-dark in icon theme
[21:30] <liar> urlin2u: it seems it does not apply the icon settings
[21:30] <urlin2u> liar, might ned a restart of X logout this is in development.
[21:30] <urlin2u> need
[21:31] <urlin2u> I would not mess with the themes at this point myself and expected it to work perfectly.
[21:32] <liar> didn't work either :(
[21:33] <urlin2u> liar, you can reset unity with unity --reset to get it back to the install stae.
[21:33] <urlin2u> state
[21:34] <liar> urlin2u: still the same :(, ill try a reboot again
[21:44] <liar> urlin2u: still the same :(
[21:45] <liar> there is another thing: whenever i login a virtual onscreen keyboard is launched, can i disable that?
[22:02] <jbicha> liar: upgrade your onboard, bug 858988
[22:04] <jbicha> liar: what file browser are you using?
[22:04] <liar> nautilus
[22:04] <jbicha> that's not how it looks by default
[22:06] <jbicha> liar: set your icon theme to Ubuntu-mono-dark
[22:07] <liar> jbicha: thats the problem i am having.. changing the icon theme does not have any effect
[22:07] <jbicha> did you log out and back in?
[22:08] <liar> several times, but i used another icon theme, i'll try again with the one you suggested
[22:11] <antibody> cheers is the current repos broken? I can only get kde to work gtk apps seg fault right away..(all of them)
[22:14] <IamTrying> 11.10 i changed the driver but still did not worked.
[22:20] <liar> now i just got that ones: http://codepad.org/pqgk1M31
[22:22] <liar> jbicha: i logged out and logged back in and i got automatically logged in into my wlan network and the notification thingy displayed the correct icon but the panel and the launcher did not appear so i rebooted the machine and everything now is back to the previous state
[22:23] <liar> afterwards i tried unity --reset again and those messages appeared
[22:26] <liar> jbicha: i am wondering why those files are missing...
[22:27] <jbicha> messages are fine as long as everything looks ok
[22:28] <antibody> my "ubuntu" session doesn't work lightdm doesn't work for a while same with gdm, only kdm works..but today I updated everything and everything that uses gtk seg fauls in starts
[22:28] <liar> jbicha: oh sorry. with previous state i meant it went back to that strange icon theme
[22:28] <antibody> can anyone give me a light?
[22:30] <jbicha> liar: stop running unity --reset then, ;-)
[22:40] <liar> jbicha: you misunderstood (which is my fault^^). after the reboot the wrong icons where shown again. only after that i tried unity --reset again...
[22:43] <jbicha> try running gnome-settings-daemon , it might be crashing for some reason
[22:45] <liar> jbicha: that one is running says ps
[22:47] <jbicha> liar: does the theme work correctly with a brand new user account?
[22:48] <antibody> hey (again) so my /home was full for a moment gtk apps crashed..and now everything segfaults... which hidden dir should I rm to check if that was the reason? tnx
[22:49] <antibody> exit
[22:50] <liar> jbicha: apparently... yes
[22:50] <liar> jbicha: in which folder are these configurations? i might just try copying it
[22:53] <jbicha> liar: just move ~/.gconf/apps/metacity somewhere else temporarily and see if that works
[22:58] <liar> jbicha: chromium looks different now.. but other than that, no change
[23:17] <ModalSurrealist> I have an nvidia card and an hdmi slot on my laptop. before installing the nvidia driver the laptop recognized my tv but would not display a picture on it, and now that I installed the "recommended" driver it is only showing one 'unknown' display which is my laptop monitor
[23:17] <ModalSurrealist> suggestions on how to get my hdmi port working?
[23:20] <liar> jbicha: now this might be interesting: i do have the same problem when using the classic desktop. but if i start gnome-settings-daemon on the classic desktop session the icons and everything works. but if i am in unity restarting gnome-settings-daemon does not change anything
[23:21] <hasenj> when trying to upgrade to 11.10, the upgrade fails because apparently some ppas don't have an onieric version? I don't get it, doesn't the upgrade tool disable ppas and other third-party sources?
[23:23] <jbicha> the apps you've installed may prevent an automated install, you can update manually
[23:24] <jbicha> for instance, old gnome-panel applets won't work any more with gnome-panel 3
[23:24] <hasenj> hm, ok
[23:24] <hasenj> I'm disabling all ppas manually right now ..
[23:26] <hasenj> i remember running across this when i upgraded to 11.04 as well
[23:52] <ModalSurrealist> My previous question still applies I just went through all the additional drivers and enabled and disabled them all and nothing happened