[00:03] urlin2u: we aren't lucky to have whatever.. took quite a few brilliant minds to get here. i don't think 'luck' does proper justice to anyone involved in this [00:05] gnomie, you make everything literal with your own little bubble of reality/definitions you will not get far. Your only goal here is to argue with me === yofel_ is now known as yofel [00:05] hey guys,, does anyone know if the mini iso is available [00:06] what hardware / GPU are we talking about, pre 2002 ? [00:06] pentium4 for instance [00:06] linux works fine on pre 2002 [00:06] works very well with pentium 4 [00:07] I had natty running on a pentium4 fine [00:07] but if you ask me whether I want to run it on my old Pentium 166MHz, no... probably not [00:08] :) [00:08] squeeze works fine there, even if the GPU has not enough memory to run X [00:08] there are mini distributions that work well and fast on older machines as well as c urrent [00:08] ... in a sane resolution [00:08] coz_: to use layman terms, 11.10 is not going well on this pentium4 here. :( [00:08] coz_, I believe the mini is out. [00:09] urlin2u, cool now I n eed to find it ") [00:09] gnomie, I will test on this machine,,, so far fedora 15 ,,natty,, mint,, debian etc all run fine [00:09] coz_, I have been trying. :D [00:09] :) [00:09] can't talk much about the UI requirements since I run kubuntu. KDE without effects ran fine on the nvidia GF 4200 that the system had [00:10] 11.04 runs fine though.. it's 11.10 that grinds my gears [00:10] i even had unity2d going .. no problem. not the same story right now [00:11] gnomie, mmm well I will be testing 11.10 soon on this pentium 4 machine,, I will let you know,,,if it is going to slow down I move over to fedora ,,,,mint linux has a few weird issues with compiz that they cant figure out [00:11] gnomie, my focus are my clients,, who mainly have older machines generally pentium 4.. so if it fails on a pentium 4 I move to fedora for them [00:12] why not debian? [00:12] yofel, possible,, although debian uses " stable" libraries which translate in to "old " libraries when compiz is added into the mix [00:12] true [00:13] yofel, since most of my clients love compiz I have to take that into consideration [00:13] heh, understandable [00:13] then again, adding a cheap pci video card would prolly be a major improvement :-/ [00:13] so far it is debian that causes more erros and problems in #compiz than any other distribution [00:14] gnomie, pci video is not going to make it with compiz though [00:14] bus speed is far too slow [00:14] i prefer unity2d though [00:14] ah then that's fine [00:14] right [00:16] i prefer unity2d even on a capable system [00:16] am hooked o.0 [00:16] :) [00:16] personally I dont like unity at all 2d or 3d... I prefer list driven menus not image driven menus [00:17] but apparenlty it is always going to be a "split" camp on this issue [00:17] appliance interfaces are ok on an ipad when considering screen realestate [00:18] well, I can live with image driven menus, as long as it has *colors* - I'm not much of a fan of the current monochrome icon trend :/ [00:18] if you remove colors from the icons you can as well just replace them with text [00:18] well.. to be honest, tablets and things of that sort are fine with whatever they ship in [00:18] imo [00:18] yofel, i dont blame you,, especially when you consider the accessibility problems with monochrome [00:19] yeah, I don't have any problems there, except prefering to orient myself by colors [00:19] I was always under the impression that 'accessibility " features are taken into consideration before anything else,, apparenlty that phylosophy has changed [00:20] touche [00:20] something has shifted indeed === Logan_ is now known as Guest28794 === Guest28794 is now known as Logan_ [00:21] well if anyone finds the link to a mini iso ,, let me know :) [00:22] hm [00:22] !minimal [00:22] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [00:22] lulz.. thought you were referring to 'dell mini' [00:22] ah now why didnt i think of that factoid!? duh [00:22] ah not avialable on that link [00:23] just take one of the iso links on the page and s/natty/oneiric [00:23] gnomie, no :) I prefer using the mini iso even at beta stage if possible [00:23] the isos are there [00:23] ok cool [00:25] Howdie all :) [00:26] g30, hey [00:28] hi [00:28] hi [00:31] i say this again, though.. unity2d for oneiric is a lot nicer than what you get from repos for 11.04 [00:33] that's good news [00:33] i call them as i sees them [00:33] >:) [00:34] <-- full gnomish fiend [00:34] hello, Battery Icon still exist on panel event it is changed. [00:35] How to resolve this problem? [00:36] believe it or not.. the main reason i like gnomunity is the terminal. if i didn't care, i be using kde .. there is something about gnome that compells me to use the terminal 0.o [00:36] I can't find gnome-power-management [00:39] When I Ctrl-V (paste) in nautilus after using Ctrl-C to copy a file, instead of pasting the file(s), the filenames are pasted in a find input box. Is there a way I can revert that behaviour? [00:39] I'm sure Ctrl-V used to paste files, not filenames. [00:40] Onlyodin, mm not sure I dont have it installed yet but try shift+ctrl+v [00:41] yah, some things like that look inverted lately [00:42] the shift.. told ya [00:42] o.0 [00:42] y2k12 [00:44] I wonder if it's related to this: http://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=88b535828ddacd7ec2313d52a21f164aee535fa3 [00:46] Hmm, yes. Upstream. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651574 [00:46] Gnome bug 651574 in Cut Copy Paste Undo "[regression] Interactive search takes control over paste action when using Ctrl-V" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] [00:50] Does compiz support having two monitors placed vertically (for instance when you put your laptop beneath your larger monitor)? [00:50] Drakeson, it should ...yes [00:51] Drakeson, I have not tested it with vertical dual monitors however [00:51] since that arrangement would be taken care of the graphics utility [00:51] but I believe it has already been done [00:51] well, it behaves awkwardly [00:51] oh? [00:51] Drakeson, in what ways? [00:51] for example, you cannot drag a window from top to bottom! [00:52] Drakeson, which video card are you using? [00:52] intel [00:52] Drakeson, oh!! [00:52] Drakeson, I know less about intel graphics than I do about ati,, I generally always use nvidia [00:53] with n vidia settings the arrangement using twinview can be altered to any monitor configuration [00:53] also, it places new windows wrong. the title-bar is placed beneath the panel. [00:53] hi, anyone can resolve this problem?http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1849622 [00:53] Drakeson, let me swtich my monitor config to vertical and start compiz ...hold on [00:54] I have the same case with Drakeson . [00:54] battery icon appears even if the power is charged [00:54] i am an ubuntuhuman [00:54] coz_: I can change the settings fine. I am guess compiz only expects horizontally placed monitors. [00:55] who invented ubuntus? [00:55] "invent"? [00:55] yes [00:55] Drakeson, looks like you are correct [00:55] ubuntu is a project. [00:55] must have been Al Gore, eh? [00:55] no its a swaheli word or something [00:55] Peter_Bilt: ask Mark, he should know [00:55] no ... he invented the internet :-) [00:55] Drakeson, what you might want to do is go to #compiz-dev and speak with smspillaz [00:56] HA @ AlGore [00:56] im just curious [00:56] Drakeson, if anyone can explain and or correct this ,, it will be be sam [00:56] i thought bob ross invented ubuntu [00:56] * Drakeson wonders who invents words ... perhaps speakers of a language? [00:56] coz_: sure. [00:56] maybe i am [00:56] coz_: did you see my problem? battery icon appears even if the power is charged, do you know how to resolve this? [00:58] zhiwei: remove the battery [00:58] Peter_Bilt: How to remove? [00:59] screwdriwers or something, or a clip [00:59] sorry had to restart x after that change,, darn mint [00:59] Ubuntu is African and not particular to any specific African culture it has been around a long time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 [01:00] Peter_Bilt: sorry I still can understand what you said. [01:00] you have to remove your laptop or notebook accumulator [01:00] i think that will solve the problem, but adds another [01:01] zhiwei, no I dont know how to solve it at this time,,, might be a bug,,, I dont have oneiric installed yet,,,sorry [01:01] it is still beta software though [01:02] you mean I should physically remove battery ? [01:02] yes, but don't take it seriously [01:02] Peter_Bilt: stop [01:02] stop apartheid [01:02] join #ubuntu-offtopic for non-support chat [01:03] coz_: had to restart x? Since I switched to oneiric, after one or two times connecting and disconnecting the second monitor, X (or compiz) often crashes or just hangs up. every other time this happens I have to actually reboot the machine (this one is probably intel driver's fault) [01:03] also, read /topic [01:03] read /topic [01:03] drakeson [01:03] i got the same problem with my sandy bridge [01:03] I will try it now, see you when I reboot my laptop. [01:04] Drakeson, sounds definitly like video driver,,, however mint linux there are issues with compiz restart or going to metacity ,, the system freezes ...so that's what happened here [01:04] i recummend to disable any 3d acceleration or something [01:05] coz_: I get the compiz freeze, too. it crashes and after a while (1-2 minutes!) compiz is run again. [01:06] Drakeson, this is not good news,,, I see you are in #compiz-dev.. as I said sam can probably explain and or fix the issue,, however ,, he lives in austrailia so you may have to adjust your questions for when he is likely on and they are a day ahead also :) [01:06] my z68 is goin g crazy with xorg, its like xorg is the apache and the rest of the system the US Army in the late 19th century [01:06] coz_: oh, thanks for the tip. I'll try to contact him later. [01:07] !bug | Drakeson [01:07] Drakeson: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [01:07] gnomie: please! [01:07] maybe aspie who knows [01:08] I am loving the new beta, however I was hoping that the Ubuntu button would be moved back to the top of the bar [01:08] this channel is not a replacement for filing bugs [01:08] it doesnt look right on the dock [01:09] it looks out of place, I like the placement in 11.04 better [01:09] gnomie: I vaguely remember I actually filed a bug for this one. I am just trying to make sure it is well communicated before next months ;) [01:10] also make the icons smaller, they are too big in 11.04 [01:10] Usagiakumu: yeah the icons are way to large [01:10] Hey guys! I got Oneiric beta2 today and it comes with lots of problems... [01:10] it gets really annoying when you have like 50+ applications [01:10] Usagiakumu: they look like a toy computer [01:10] gnomie: I'll try to make sure I actually did. Meanwhile please expect frustrated people to _also_ talk about embarrassing bugs here. [01:11] im not saying these are problems and I love all the changes [01:11] can anyone help me minimizing effects of graphic interface? [01:11] also pleas for the love of all thats holy unanchor the dock from the left [01:11] I want to MOVE it to the bottom or the right out of my way [01:12] being anchored to the left is really fricking annoying [01:12] the most embarassing bug was a non working network manager [01:12] Usagiakumu: file a wishlist bug on launchpad or join us in brainstorm.ubuntu.com [01:12] Usagiakumu: that has been discussed elsewhere. I guess there were bug reports / wishes about the placement of the dock. [01:12] other than that amazing work all [01:12] User_007, which desktop, and be very specific in unity compiz is part of the DE. [01:12] I love the new Unity otherwise [01:12] because someone on a very elevated mental level forgot to add it in the package [01:12] Drakeson: noted.. just adding my two cents [01:13] just move the Ubuntu button back to the global menu bar where it was [01:13] everything turn slower, like from moving a window to open dash [01:13] being where its at just looks wrong [01:14] Usagiakumu: i disagree; unlucky for you, it's not going to change at this stage [01:14] great work on Unity it is a lot more feature complete [01:14] 11.04 Unity is too naked in comparison [01:15] urlin2u, everything from moving a window to type on unity's dash become much slower [01:15] request: adding music to the upgrade process, because sometime a user has to do some manual tasks if configuration files has to be replaced, and that stops the update. like most of us they dont sit behind the screen, they wait and do something productive [01:15] Unity's dash is slow here, too. I blame libnux. [01:15] User_007, what is your cpu and ram, some have complained it all seems slower. [01:16] cpu and ram almost free... i use cpu on ondemand governor [01:16] changing to Performace don't help [01:16] I strongly suspect libnux is very non-optimized. [01:17] Peter_Bilt: Hello, the battery icon still exist on panel... [01:17] zhiwei: strange [01:17] urlin2u, is there anything i can do in order do reduce effects? [01:17] without battery a battery level... sounds spastic to me [01:17] i am paralyzed [01:18] I want to know why power-manager is not same with 11.04 [01:18] User_007, part of the problem is the intertwining of compiz and unity, so messing with it itself is likely to cause problems, you can go to startup apps and turn off stuff not needed, if any there. [01:18] zhiwei: it is apparently from gnome3, now [01:19] the settings have probably changed. [01:19] User_007, there are I'm sure other tweaks i'm just not familiar with what they may be, [01:19] try to looking for its settings manually (dconf, gconf) [01:19] Drakeson: thank you. [01:19] wind it up [01:21] zhiwei: e.g.: look at "gsettings list-recursively org.gnome.settings-daemon.plugins.power" [01:21] urlin2u, how can i edit startup programs? (are they the ones that start every session?) [01:22] i hope the next ubuntu has the same startup manager like fedfnorda 15 [01:23] User_007, yeah startup applications in the dash search, as of now I believe there is little there. I wish I could adjust the speed of the side panel myself but have mot found out how. [01:23] punky parrot or something [01:23] not* [01:24] urlin2u, by speed of the side panel you mean how fast it appears or disapears? [01:24] User_007, yeah way to slow for me. [01:24] you can easily change it using CCSM [01:24] pejorative parrot [01:24] User_007, the speed where. [01:24] on Unity Plugin submenu [01:25] edge reaveal timeout [01:26] User_007, doh so obvious thanks, I have the cube and tons of other plugins running. [01:26] I have two ubuntu one in my ubuntu Dash [01:27] "sure there'll be more than one unpleasant surprise before we're done" daytrip to the jungle - tribal massacre [01:27] rumble in the jungle yeh [01:28] Peter_Bilt: join me in : #ubuntu-offtopic [01:28] Drakeson, you say libnux is not optimized, but it was there on natty? [01:28] ls [01:30] Drakeson, it was on version 0.96 on natty, now on 1.0, maybe the natty version is faster than oineiric [01:39] how can i choose what version of libnux to use? [01:41] User_007, if both are in synaptic you can lock the one you want. [01:43] i installed manually the older version, and i still have the oineric version (different package names) but i want my aplications to use the older version [01:44] so how to do that? [01:45] 14736251jOpBnaZvsN [01:45] in synaptic look in menu [01:46] ok [01:47] i don't know why, but my synaptic started getting a error [01:47] terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range' [01:47] what(): vector::_M_range_check [01:49] urlin2u, i don't know why, but my synaptic started getting a error, terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::out_of_range' what(): vector::_M_range_check [01:49] is gconf-editor not in 11.10? [01:49] I just got a command not found when I ran it [01:49] User_007, not sure there, [01:50] Roasted, deprecated dconf now [01:50] i am already searching [01:50] so how would I go in and change my minmaxclose placement? [01:50] Roasted: you have to install it manually then ;) [01:50] ah okay [01:50] I didnt realize you could [01:50] man ubuntu sure is axing a lot of nice things [01:50] gconf, synaptic [01:50] time for dvd, ubuntu? [01:51] Roasted: gonf-editor is on the liveCD, but I dont know it's removed when installed ;)) [01:51] well [01:51] User_007, you will find lock under package if you get it back (synaptic [01:52] it is, evidently [01:52] I installed 11.10 yesterday via liveusb and its clearly not ehre [01:52] all Id id was install gnome shell once I got into it, so I doubt it just disappeared [01:52] urlin2u, but lock package isn't just in order to don't let it upgrade? [01:52] I also noticed alt f2 functionality was gone in gnome shell as well. I had to go to keyboard bindings and re-add it. [01:52] Roasted, gconf or dconf? [01:52] do I need to reinstall to get the new beta? I did a dist upgrade, and I don't see the shiny new login screen. [01:53] gconf [01:53] Roasted: alt + f2 is integrated in the Dash ;) [01:53] right [01:53] I get that [01:53] but it's not in gnome shell in 11.10 [01:54] Roasted: oh, I dont know that, I work well with unity ;) [01:54] I didnt like unity much in 11.04, but it seems to work nicely here [01:54] a big reason I used GS was because it didnt suck up a ton of ram and resources on my netbook to run. in fact, GS ran lighter than... XFCE... [01:54] but untiy in 11.10 is far far far more usable. but it's still not GS. :P [01:55] User_007, lock I believe means no upgrade to the locked package [01:56] urlin2u, i already locked it on synaptic, it means it won't upgrade, [01:57] but i still have the two versions [01:57] how i make it use only the old one? [01:57] User_007, yeah older link but info. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-lock-package-versions-from-synaptic-package-manager.html [01:57] User_007, only have one installed [01:58] urlin2u, my problem is not locking version, as i said before the packages have different names [01:58] User_007, I can't say what your doing will work as actual package but that is the gist. [01:58] so they survive together on the same installation... is like having firefox4 and firefox 5 [01:58] User_007, would not know. [01:58] I [01:59] okay [02:01] Guys, is there any way to revert unity and stuff from oneiric back to natty? [02:02] all ubuntu or only unity? [02:03] only unity/compiz and stuff [02:03] not possibl [02:03] e [02:03] 11.10 is using GTK3 [02:03] natty not [02:03] and Natty GTK2 [02:03] yup [02:03] so that's why all that stuff is so buggy [02:03] !downgrade [02:03] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported and may break your system. [02:15] no spiffy login screen, and synaptic keeps crashing =( [02:16] jakemp: do you have lightdm or still on gdm? [02:16] jeremy@solid-ocelot:~$ gdm [02:16] The program 'gdm' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: [02:16] I don't have gdm installed [02:16] oh whoops [02:17] jakemp: don't do that! do: dpkg -l | grep gdm , or something like that [02:17] that returns nothing [02:17] also do: dpkg -l | grep lightdm [02:17] now it's oficial, something is very very wrong here... my graphic power is so bad that i can't even run a rmvb without lags [02:17] 4 entries [02:18] including just lightdm [02:18] !lightdm [02:18] the new login screen is indeed lightdm. not sure why you are having problems [02:18] !botsnack [02:18] Yum! Err, I mean, APT! [02:18] something must be very wrong with my graphic driver since upgrade [02:18] jakemp, have you tried service lightdm restart [02:19] that'll log me off? [02:19] my thing here is pretty sluggish too, yes [02:19] User_007: which driver? I am on intel and it went crappy since upgrade. [02:19] Radeon, my card is a X1200 (integrated on laptop) [02:21] nope, restarting lightdm did not work [02:22] Drakeson, do you use opensource drivers too? [02:23] jakemp, is lightdm showing up in ps aux | grep lightdm? [02:24] yes 2 times (+ grep) [02:24] jakemp, two times? on the same VT? what happens if you ctrl-alt-F# to that VT [02:24] Drakeson, maybe something on xorg... [02:25] escott, VTs seem to be working fine, here is the output of that ps: http://pastebin.com/svbfSv1e [02:26] jakemp, so what do you see when you ctrl-alt-f7? [02:27] well, i will try something on old Gnome... [02:27] escott, it takes me to my main graphical window [02:28] jakemp, im confused. what exactly is the problem here [02:29] I read that the new beta had a nice new login screen [02:30] jakemp, but you are already logged into the gui right? [02:30] yes. [02:31] jakemp, well thats why you cant see lightdm, you only see it when you logout [02:32] well yeah, but when I rebooted, it wasn't there, and when I restarted lightdm it wasn't there [02:32] not a huge deal [02:32] the screenshots just looked shiney. [02:59] any one know of some hacks for the nautilus ui to change the layout of the forward and back buttons [03:03] bandit5432, install marlin. [03:03] I don't know any hacks [03:03] but try marlin, elementary file browser [03:03] ok [03:03] that in the official repos? [03:04] nvm i will look [03:05] that looks like just what i want [03:05] !find marlin [03:05] Package/file marlin does not exist in oneiric [03:08] looks like there is no stable marlin [03:08] are you using elementary ? [03:09] bandit5432, no, there is ppa for that [03:10] it is in beta, but is much faster that nautilus, and looks better [03:13] it's not going to be in ubuntu if it's not in debian [03:13] and it's not in debian [03:13] nope i see that looks promising though [03:15] promising in what way? [03:15] more customizable but i dont have it installed so its looks might be decieving [03:17] i just downloaded the git source of nautilus to see if it lists the items that can be customized in nautilus-toolbar-ui.xml [03:18] and i probably wont find what i am looking for [03:22] i wish that nautilus button where customizable like firefox [03:22] buttons' [03:29] hmm does any one use the gnome fallback mode? [03:31] me [03:32] do you use gnome-shell or unity at all? [03:32] yes, I use [03:32] I have shell, unity, kde and fallback installed [03:32] which do you use the most? [03:34] i am trying to edit oneiric so that it will work like gnome2 and so far its working ok with some minor things that i will need to change or learn to live with [03:34] gnome-shell because it is not crashing now, unity is very crashing because of compiz. But now there is dependency problem with gnome-shell and it stopped working [03:34] unity is cool, but buggy and crashy [03:41] sorry i cant get past the mac look to force myself to use it [03:45] bummer. flash updates... [03:46] flash updates out since thursday [03:46] there are some for today [03:46] again [03:47] where no blog post on psirt or isc [03:50] there are extensions to gnome-shell that can bring back the menus and bottom taskbar if you want it to be more like gnome 2 [03:51] i like the fallback mode and i am working on the rest [03:51] although the extensions have be updated for 3.2 because some of the api has changed [03:51] hoping to not have to bail on gnome to xcfe i like gnome [03:51] i've got a workspace switcher, a paces menu, a system monitor, et al. [03:55] i think i would like unity and or gnome-shell on my tablet [04:05] okay, one monitor above the other is really not well done [04:05] When I click on the icon to pull up multiple windows, they pop up in the split, and under the bar [04:06] at the top of the lower screen [04:07] And the bug where I can't move a window to the bottom monitor is still here [04:07] the top of a window can't enter the bottom screen === bandit5432 is now known as bandit-away [04:24] Can anyone on Oneiric get to google.com on chromium or firefox? [04:24] h00k, are you serious? [04:25] urlin2u: I am. [04:25] urlin2u: check this out. hah. [04:25] h00k, your link yes [04:25] http://i.imgur.com/hRPvE.jpg [04:25] urlin2u: ^ [04:25] It [04:25] is like...half loading dropbox.com and half google.com [04:26] h00k, have you changed the theme of your setup? [04:26] urlin2u: no, I keep it quite stock for testing, [04:27] Firefox is now giving me http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/696479/ [04:28] h00k, mine has the panel black I wonder if your gpu is acting up, not sure really, I don't use chrome but I get google. [04:28] on FF [04:29] when in doubt, reboot! [04:29] works now. [04:31] h00k, your top panel still gray? [04:31] urlin2u: yep. Oh, that theme. I did change that, yes. [04:31] to Radiance [04:32]