[06:01] good morning [12:52] hello [12:52] can someone tell me how to install wlan on ubuntu [12:53] sprecht ihr deutsch? [12:54] #help [12:55] vifitor [12:56] vifitor: Het is het beste om naar # Ubuntu terecht voor ondersteuning moet doen begrijp je? [12:56] om naar #ubuntu [12:56] ich versteh dich nicht [12:56] i dont understand [12:57] Support in #Ubuntu [12:57] Although for Deustch try maybe a local channel for your language? [12:58] Niederländisch oder Deutsch? [12:58] deutsch [12:58] vifitor: Nederlanse? [12:58] ok one sec [12:59] vifitor: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/ [12:59] good? [12:59] -nl is nederlanse? [12:59] i need german [12:59] ahh [12:59] :) [13:00] !de | vifitor [13:00] vifitor: In that case join #ubuntu-de [13:00] :D [13:00] Just type /join #ubuntu-de [13:00] Ohhh no bot in here [13:02] well thanks === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === XOXO1 is now known as Antwon [18:18] mhall119: dude, reedfeeder [18:19] mhall119: been a while since I've looked at it [18:19] mhall119: the screenshot looks really really really good [18:19] mhall119: looks like you're doing a super awesome job [18:19] keep it up [18:19] <- impressed [18:39] paultag: I'm considering killing it [18:40] mhall119: Any reason why? or is it just taking up too much free time and not enough intrest? [18:40] not enough interest, it doesn't seem that there's really a demand for it [18:40] I haven't gotten much feedback from beta users, but most logged in one or twice and stopped using it [18:41] mhall119: well, sometimes to move forward it becomes necessary to move back [18:41] mhall119: humm. [18:41] I've got some functionality additions I still want to make, and then I think I'm going to open it up to general availability for free, and see where it goes [18:41] I don't see it working as a subscription model though [18:42] mhall119: yeah that might be tough to do. [18:42] oh well, fail fast, right? [18:42] mhall119: yessir! [18:42] no need for it to become a time / money / server load pit [18:42] if it doesn't work, I'll move it back to my personal use only (because *I* like it), and move on to my next idea [18:43] yeah, right now it's $15/month, not a big deal [18:43] I'll be honest, probably my biggest problem is me, not readfeeder [18:43] * paultag shrugs [18:43] I suck at promotion and personal interaction [18:43] mhall119: Yeah, that's why I write software for myself - and if I find it useful, perhaps other people will too [18:43] true [18:44] and readfeeder is still AGPL, so other people can do what they want with it [18:44] mhall119: one of these times I'll hit it right and someone who loves it will do something to help it have a skitch of popularity [18:44] mhall119: Yeah, truth [18:44] mhall119: I finally got around to pushing launchphplib up a bit :) [18:44] anyway, I think I'm going to look at shifting focus away from bloggers and trying for a more facebook-like audience [18:44] mhall119: it works, and it works fairly well - http://pault.ag/launchphplib/ [18:44] cool [18:44] mhall119: yeah, solid idea [18:44] well, as cool as something containing php can be anyway [18:45] mhall119: dude that code is divine [18:45] paultag: I'm still trying to solidify some actual design around the idea of "making news reading a social activity" [18:45] mhall119: if it were an overnight sort of solution, facebook, one of the newspapers, twitter, reddit, slashdot and whoever else would have exploded by now [18:46] true [18:46] perhaps bring it back to the busy-yet-interested folks [18:46] Google Reader already has a sharing feature, but I've not heard anybody say they use it [18:46] email digests if you've not logged in [18:46] mhall119: yeah, I've never used that [18:47] so, I'm trying to figure out what people's activities would be interesting to their friends,if not what articles they're reading [18:47] mhall119: people seem to like moral outrage at things [18:47] lol [18:48] "Your friend paultag is totally reading some liberal socialist hit piece over on Huffington post, you should tell him how immoral he is" [18:48] I can see that working [18:48] mhall119: hahahahaha that would be awesome [18:49] i'd have to adopt Facebooks "You have no privacy" stance though [18:49] * paultag shrugs [18:49] hmmm, I wonder if a comment thread that's only between your friends would be something people use [18:50] mhall119: humm [18:51] I can see that working if I use Facebook connect [18:51] mhall119: one cool thing that people have always done is newspaper clippings - email forwards - facebook wall posts [18:51] mhall119: there's no real good system for sharing and talking about news [18:51] and then organizing that in some neat way [18:54] stuff to think about [18:54] yeah, for sure [18:54] mhall119: but figured I'd tell you that the screenshot made it look usable (which is rare) and fairly neat / complete [18:54] I'd not seen it since you opened up the site, so it looked like a huge jump [18:56] thanks [18:58] * paultag gets back to patch review [21:32] mhall119: prod :) [21:34] I need a review of a logo concept [23:16] paultag: prod-back [23:16] mhall119: feedback? - http://tag.pault.ag/tagliamonte.png [23:18] ~/ [23:18] ~/ [23:18] cjohnston: works better in bash [23:18] paultag: I like it [23:18] uggh [23:18] the mountains are nice, minimal yet very clear what they are [23:19] thanks [23:19] something seems... off [23:19] I can't figure out what it is [23:20] I think it's the motto [23:21] yeah, true [23:21] but without it, it's too short and wide [23:21] yeah and thin on the bottom [23:22] could the motto be incorporated into the mountain? [23:23] mhall119: I'm thinking of making a sort of trapazoid below the mountin with some slogan in it [23:23] mhall119: but I think it might end up being meh as well [23:23] I might just need to sleep on it [23:23] but something's off about it [23:23] yeah, I think adding anything more would be too much [23:23] +1 [23:24] thanks, mhall119 :) [23:24] np [23:25] paultag: any opinion on client-side javascript UI toolkits? [23:25] mhall119: jQuery is awesome [23:25] I really love jQuery a lot [23:25] I'd go out of my way to use it [23:25] ever used ExtJS? [23:25] mhall119: no, is it nice? [23:25] I played with prototype of whatever, and it was fairly meh [23:25] I liked it's API design better than JQuery [23:26] mhall119: humm, yeah? [23:26] it seemed more concise to me [23:26] interesting [23:26] you pass a config object to the constructor, rather than having to fill out a list of parameters [23:26] their objects were nicer, IMO [23:26] humm [23:26] mhall119: see, I don't mind passing params [23:27] but that's cosmetic [23:27] mhall119: ExtJS seems super nice [23:27] it's okay when you have a handful, but if you only want to specify one, and it's the 10th one in the parameter list [23:27] mhall119: you can do named params [23:27] { "foo" : "bar" } [23:27] can you in javascript? I didn't realize [23:27] mhall119: yeah, man [23:28] foo({ "foo" : "bar" }, 200); [23:28] is fairly common [23:28] and very jQueryish [23:28] in ExtJS you do new ObjectClass({'foo': 'bar'}) [23:28] hmmm... [23:28] mhall119: yeah, ExtJS seems nice. I think if I spent time with it, I'd like it [23:29] I do, however, adore jQuery [23:29] my concern with ExtJS is that it's really all-encompassing [23:29] I also like Javascript in general [23:29] I think as a language, it's nice [23:29] which not only makes the library bigger, but it also means I'll have to re-invent some components if I don't like he ExtJS does them [23:29] true [23:30] ExtJS 4 has a full data modeling framework, like Rails or Django [23:30] which would be nice if it integrated with those easily, but it doesn't seem that it does [23:31] I had something that I wrote for Moffitt that would generate a bridge between ExtJS 3 and Django models on the fly [23:31] but it wasn't open sourced :( [23:32] mhall119: write another one :) [23:32] well I'm likely to, whether for ExtJS or JQuery [23:32] I just need to decide which [23:33] * paultag shrugs [23:33] ExtJS tries to make your app feel like a desktop app, with resizable frames and tab panels and stuch [23:33] and I'm definitely going to use it for my next project [23:33] I prefer jQuery, but it might be because I "grew up" with it [23:33] but I don't think I'll be able to integrate many of their widgets into ReadFeeder's look and feel [23:34] which means it'll be mostly unused [23:34] I like jQuery's transition effects [23:35] I'm leaning towards jQuery [23:35] and just spending extra time making custom UI code [23:35] mhall119: you could try to do a few small things in both [23:35] see which comes easier [23:35] yeah [23:35] first thing's first, I need to make a JSON API for RF [23:36] * paultag nods [23:36] I think I'm going to try piston this time, instead of rolling my own [23:36] mhall119: I think it's easy to SOAP it [23:36] but it's not easy to implement client side [23:37] and xml is ugly [23:37] I'll trash RF before I do SOAP [23:38] haha [23:38] ok, well, off to get drunk with nerds [23:38] have fun [23:38] thanks again, mhall119 [23:38] np