[06:01] <YoBoY> good morning
[12:52] <vifitor> hello
[12:52] <vifitor> can someone tell me how to install wlan on ubuntu
[12:53] <vifitor> sprecht ihr deutsch?
[12:54] <vifitor> #help
[12:55] <bkerensa> vifitor
[12:56] <bkerensa> vifitor: Het is het beste om naar # Ubuntu terecht voor ondersteuning moet doen begrijp je?
[12:56] <bkerensa> om naar #ubuntu
[12:56] <vifitor> ich versteh dich nicht
[12:56] <vifitor> i dont understand
[12:57] <bkerensa> Support in #Ubuntu
[12:57] <bkerensa> Although for Deustch try maybe a local channel for your language?
[12:58] <bkerensa> Niederländisch oder Deutsch?
[12:58] <vifitor> deutsch
[12:58] <bkerensa> vifitor: Nederlanse?
[12:58] <bkerensa> ok one sec
[12:59] <bkerensa> vifitor: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/
[12:59] <bkerensa> good?
[12:59] <vifitor> -nl is nederlanse?
[12:59] <vifitor> i need german
[12:59] <bkerensa> ahh
[12:59] <bkerensa> :)
[13:00] <head_victim> !de | vifitor 
[13:00] <bkerensa> vifitor: In that case join #ubuntu-de
[13:00] <bkerensa> :D
[13:00] <bkerensa> Just type /join #ubuntu-de
[13:00] <head_victim> Ohhh no bot in here
[13:02] <vifitor> well thanks
[18:18] <paultag> mhall119: dude, reedfeeder
[18:19] <paultag> mhall119: been a while since I've looked at it
[18:19] <paultag> mhall119: the screenshot looks really really really good
[18:19] <paultag> mhall119: looks like you're doing a super awesome job
[18:19] <paultag> keep it up
[18:19] <paultag> <- impressed
[18:39] <mhall119> paultag: I'm considering killing it
[18:40] <paultag> mhall119: Any reason why? or is it just taking up too much free time and not enough intrest?
[18:40] <mhall119> not enough interest, it doesn't seem that there's really a demand for it
[18:40] <mhall119> I haven't gotten much feedback from beta users, but most logged in one or twice and stopped using it
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: well, sometimes to move forward it becomes necessary to move back
[18:41] <paultag> mhall119: humm.
[18:41] <mhall119> I've got some functionality additions I still want to make, and then I think I'm going to open it up to general availability for free, and see where it goes
[18:41] <mhall119> I don't see it working as a subscription model though
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119: yeah that might be tough to do.
[18:42] <mhall119> oh well, fail fast, right?
[18:42] <paultag> mhall119: yessir!
[18:42] <paultag> no need for it to become a time / money / server load pit
[18:42] <mhall119> if it doesn't work, I'll move it back to my personal use only (because *I* like it), and move on to my next idea
[18:43] <mhall119> yeah, right now it's $15/month, not a big deal
[18:43] <mhall119> I'll be honest, probably my biggest problem is me, not readfeeder
[18:43]  * paultag shrugs
[18:43] <mhall119> I suck at promotion and personal interaction
[18:43] <paultag> mhall119: Yeah, that's why I write software for myself - and if I find it useful, perhaps other people will too
[18:43] <mhall119> true
[18:44] <mhall119> and readfeeder is still AGPL, so other people can do what they want with it
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: one of these times I'll hit it right and someone who loves it will do something to help it have a skitch of popularity
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: Yeah, truth
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: I finally got around to pushing launchphplib up a bit :)
[18:44] <mhall119> anyway, I think I'm going to look at shifting focus away from bloggers and trying for a more facebook-like audience
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: it works, and it works fairly well - http://pault.ag/launchphplib/
[18:44] <mhall119> cool
[18:44] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, solid idea
[18:44] <mhall119> well, as cool as something containing php can be anyway
[18:45] <paultag> mhall119: dude that code is divine
[18:45] <mhall119> paultag: I'm still trying to solidify some actual design around the idea of "making news reading a social activity"
[18:45] <paultag> mhall119: if it were an overnight sort of solution, facebook, one of the newspapers, twitter, reddit, slashdot and whoever else would have exploded by now
[18:46] <mhall119> true
[18:46] <paultag> perhaps bring it back to the busy-yet-interested folks
[18:46] <mhall119> Google Reader already has a sharing feature, but I've not heard anybody say they use it
[18:46] <paultag> email digests if you've not logged in
[18:46] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, I've never used that
[18:47] <mhall119> so, I'm trying to figure out what people's activities would be interesting to their friends,if not what articles they're reading
[18:47] <paultag> mhall119: people seem to like moral outrage at things
[18:47] <mhall119> lol
[18:48] <mhall119> "Your friend paultag is totally reading some liberal socialist hit piece over on Huffington post, you should tell him how immoral he is"
[18:48] <mhall119> I can see that working
[18:48] <paultag> mhall119: hahahahaha that would be awesome
[18:49] <mhall119> i'd have to adopt Facebooks "You have no privacy" stance though
[18:49]  * paultag shrugs
[18:49] <mhall119> hmmm, I wonder if a comment thread that's only between your friends would be something people use
[18:50] <paultag> mhall119: humm
[18:51] <mhall119> I can see that working if I use Facebook connect
[18:51] <paultag> mhall119: one cool thing that people have always done is newspaper clippings - email forwards - facebook wall posts
[18:51] <paultag> mhall119: there's no real good system for sharing and talking about news
[18:51] <paultag> and then organizing that in some neat way
[18:54] <mhall119> stuff to think about
[18:54] <paultag> yeah, for sure
[18:54] <paultag> mhall119: but figured I'd tell you that the screenshot made it look usable (which is rare) and fairly neat / complete
[18:54] <paultag> I'd not seen it since you opened up the site, so it looked like a huge jump
[18:56] <mhall119> thanks
[18:58]  * paultag gets back to patch review
[21:32] <paultag> mhall119: prod :)
[21:34] <paultag> I need a review of a logo concept 
[23:16] <mhall119> paultag: prod-back
[23:16] <paultag> mhall119: feedback? - http://tag.pault.ag/tagliamonte.png
[23:18] <cjohnston> ~/
[23:18] <cjohnston> ~/
[23:18] <mhall119> cjohnston: works better in bash
[23:18] <mhall119> paultag: I like it
[23:18] <cjohnston> uggh
[23:18] <mhall119> the mountains are nice, minimal yet very clear what they are
[23:19] <paultag> thanks
[23:19] <paultag> something seems... off
[23:19] <paultag> I can't figure out what it is
[23:20] <mhall119> I think it's the motto
[23:21] <paultag> yeah, true
[23:21] <mhall119> but without it, it's too short and wide
[23:21] <paultag> yeah and thin on the bottom
[23:22] <mhall119> could the motto be incorporated into the mountain?
[23:23] <paultag> mhall119: I'm thinking of making a sort of trapazoid below the mountin with some slogan in it
[23:23] <paultag> mhall119: but I think it might end up being meh as well
[23:23] <paultag> I might just need to sleep on it
[23:23] <paultag> but something's off about it
[23:23] <mhall119> yeah, I think adding anything more would be too much
[23:23] <paultag> +1
[23:24] <paultag> thanks, mhall119 :)
[23:24] <mhall119> np
[23:25] <mhall119> paultag: any opinion on client-side javascript UI toolkits?
[23:25] <paultag> mhall119: jQuery is awesome
[23:25] <paultag> I really love jQuery a lot
[23:25] <paultag> I'd go out of my way to use it
[23:25] <mhall119> ever used ExtJS?
[23:25] <paultag> mhall119: no, is it nice?
[23:25] <paultag> I played with prototype of whatever, and it was fairly meh
[23:25] <mhall119> I liked it's API design better than JQuery
[23:26] <paultag> mhall119: humm, yeah?
[23:26] <mhall119> it seemed more concise to me
[23:26] <paultag> interesting
[23:26] <mhall119> you pass a config object to the constructor, rather than having to fill out a list of parameters
[23:26] <mhall119> their objects were nicer, IMO
[23:26] <paultag> humm
[23:26] <paultag> mhall119: see, I don't mind passing params
[23:27] <paultag> but that's cosmetic
[23:27] <paultag> mhall119: ExtJS seems super nice
[23:27] <mhall119> it's okay when you have a handful, but if you only want to specify one, and it's the 10th one in the parameter list
[23:27] <paultag> mhall119: you can do named params
[23:27] <paultag> { "foo" : "bar" }
[23:27] <mhall119> can you in javascript? I didn't realize
[23:27] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, man
[23:28] <paultag> foo({ "foo" : "bar" }, 200);
[23:28] <paultag> is fairly common
[23:28] <paultag> and very jQueryish
[23:28] <mhall119> in ExtJS you do new ObjectClass({'foo': 'bar'})
[23:28] <mhall119> hmmm...
[23:28] <paultag> mhall119: yeah, ExtJS seems nice. I think if I spent time with it, I'd like it
[23:29] <paultag> I do, however, adore jQuery
[23:29] <mhall119> my concern with ExtJS is that it's really all-encompassing
[23:29] <paultag> I also like Javascript in general
[23:29] <paultag> I think as a language, it's nice
[23:29] <mhall119> which not only makes the library bigger, but it also means I'll have to re-invent some components if I don't like he ExtJS does them
[23:29] <paultag> true
[23:30] <mhall119> ExtJS 4 has a full data modeling framework, like Rails or Django
[23:30] <mhall119> which would be nice if it integrated with those easily, but it doesn't seem that it does
[23:31] <mhall119> I had something that I wrote for Moffitt that would generate a bridge between ExtJS 3 and Django models on the fly
[23:31] <mhall119> but it wasn't open sourced :(
[23:32] <paultag> mhall119: write another one :)
[23:32] <mhall119> well I'm likely to, whether for ExtJS or JQuery
[23:32] <mhall119> I just need to decide which
[23:33]  * paultag shrugs
[23:33] <mhall119> ExtJS tries to make your app feel like a desktop app, with resizable frames and tab panels and stuch
[23:33] <mhall119> and I'm definitely going to use it for my next project
[23:33] <paultag> I prefer jQuery, but it might be because I "grew up" with it
[23:33] <mhall119> but I don't think I'll be able to integrate many of their widgets into ReadFeeder's look and feel
[23:34] <mhall119> which means it'll be mostly unused
[23:34] <paultag> I like jQuery's transition effects
[23:35] <mhall119> I'm leaning towards jQuery
[23:35] <mhall119> and just spending extra time making custom UI code
[23:35] <paultag> mhall119: you could try to do a few small things in both
[23:35] <paultag> see which comes easier
[23:35] <mhall119> yeah
[23:35] <mhall119> first thing's first, I need to make a JSON API for RF
[23:36]  * paultag nods
[23:36] <mhall119> I think I'm going to try piston this time, instead of rolling my own
[23:36] <paultag> mhall119: I think it's easy to SOAP it
[23:36] <paultag> but it's not easy to implement client side
[23:37] <paultag> and xml is ugly
[23:37] <mhall119> I'll trash RF before I do SOAP
[23:38] <paultag> haha
[23:38] <paultag> ok, well, off to get drunk with nerds
[23:38] <mhall119> have fun
[23:38] <paultag> thanks again, mhall119 
[23:38] <mhall119> np