| sammm | Weirdly enough, I get a better signal with my 5 inch antenna than I do my 9 inch one | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| sammm | I have enough bandwidth to do some online gaming now :D | 02:11 |
| sammm | It's still not all that great, but it's bearable :) | 02:11 |
| sammm | And I can browse the web not too badly too | 02:11 |
| sammm | And I can stream 480p Youtube :D | 02:11 |
| shauno | think I'm finally done wrangling ip6tables for the evening | 02:51 |
| * czajkowski does a little dance! | 06:48 | |
| danfish | czajkowski: an Irish jig no less ;) | 06:50 |
| czajkowski | danfish: can you blame me with that score :D | 06:50 |
| danfish | true.....but it was Russia | 06:51 |
| czajkowski | we're topping the pool | 06:52 |
| czajkowski | beat AU | 06:52 |
| danfish | mind you, if rugby goes the way of football, the Ruskies will have bought up every team in the UK ;) | 06:52 |
| czajkowski | shrup! | 06:52 |
| danfish | czajkowski: where does that put you for the knock out stages? | 06:53 |
| czajkowski | pretty good way | 06:54 |
| czajkowski | however we got the pasta folks next weekend | 06:54 |
| czajkowski | Potatoes V Pasta | 06:54 |
| danfish | hah | 06:55 |
| danfish | gnocchi - the best of both | 06:55 |
| czajkowski | Scotland V Argentina now | 06:56 |
| MartijnVdS | Don't gnoccit 'til you try it! | 06:56 |
| * danfish groans | 06:56 | |
| * danfish received some infrared sensors from China off ebay - no datasheet included :-( | 06:59 | |
| MartijnVdS | danfish: aren't IR sensors very simple things anyway? | 06:59 |
| danfish | MartijnVdS: fairly simple, but some info re required voltage, whether they need pull-up resistors etc would be nice | 07:03 |
| czajkowski | danfish: roll on 2015 eh | 07:05 |
| czajkowski | might even seen some advertising for the oval shaped ball in the UK! | 07:05 |
| danfish | I see Ireland's cunning plan of losing all their warmup games is working! | 07:13 |
| AlanBell | morning all | 07:17 |
| czajkowski | danfish: indeed! | 07:24 |
| czajkowski | we'll take a loss to England to thrash and wipe the smugness of Au | 07:24 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: aloha | 07:24 |
| AlanBell | hi | 07:27 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: so what are you up to this bright and sunny day eh | 07:29 |
| czajkowski | seemingly a heat wave next week | 07:29 |
| ging | how can you have a heatwave now? | 07:41 |
| czajkowski | I dunno | 07:41 |
| czajkowski | ask the weather man | 07:42 |
| ging | i don't trust him | 07:46 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Laura Czajkowski] Rugby Rantings and Ravings pays off on iphone app - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/25/rugby-rantings-and-ravings-pays-off-on-iphone-app/ | 08:13 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:29 |
| MartijnVdS | \o brobostigon | 09:29 |
| brobostigon | o/ MartijnVdS | 09:30 |
| pr0ph3t | hi all, does anyone have issues with the new ubuntuone frontend? It doesn't get past installation at the moment. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 64bit | 09:44 |
| MartijnVdS | pr0ph3t: past installation? | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | It works fine for me | 09:48 |
| MartijnVdS | it doesn't do any installation? | 09:48 |
| pr0ph3t | MartijnVdS, not it starts the installation, asks me for a pass and then crashes | 10:35 |
| pr0ph3t | it used to work, but then it stopped showing the account tab so I decided to remove it and reinstall it, something must haave gone wrong in the process | 10:36 |
| pr0ph3t | I managed to start it now but it says "The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?" on the Account TAB, any ideas why? | 11:03 |
| MartijnVdS | strange.. I didn't need to install extra stuff | 11:29 |
| wayneandleanne | anbody know how to setup up pidgin for irc chat? | 12:10 |
| wayneandleanne | *anybody | 12:10 |
| penguin42 | well, I'm here on pidgin on irc | 12:11 |
| wayneandleanne | penguin42: what settings did/are you using? | 12:11 |
| penguin42 | wayneandleanne: Click on the Buddy list window, go to the menu bar Accounts->Manage Accounts and then add | 12:12 |
| penguin42 | wayneandleanne: Then just select irc instead of aim or whatever | 12:12 |
| wayneandleanne | which server should i choose? | 12:12 |
| penguin42 | well, what irc channels do you want to connect to - these? | 12:13 |
| wayneandleanne | this one | 12:13 |
| penguin42 | wayneandleanne: Pick one from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml | 12:13 |
| penguin42 | wayneandleanne: Not the ones in italic | 12:14 |
| wayneandleanne | done, thanks, but why not the italic ones/ | 12:14 |
| wayneandleanne | ? | 12:14 |
| penguin42 | according to that page those aren't happy at the moment | 12:15 |
| wayneandleanne | penguin42: thanks for the help | 12:17 |
| penguin42 | no problem | 12:18 |
| wayneandleanne1 | did it work?? | 12:27 |
| wayneandleanne1 | anybody know the command to switch nick's? | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | It is /nick wibble | 12:28 |
| === wayneandleanne1 is now known as wayneandleanne | ||
| wayneandleanne | bigcalm: Thanks | 12:29 |
| bigcalm | You're welcome | 12:29 |
| zleap | hello | 13:11 |
| zleap | how do i reinstall grub using a live cd as i installed windows on the first hdd and i think the ubuntu install is still intact on hard disk 2 | 13:12 |
| zleap | hello | 13:16 |
| penguin42 | I think you can run grub-install | 13:18 |
| zleap | ok thanks | 13:19 |
| zleap | so to install on hda1 i type grub-install /dev/hda1 | 13:19 |
| zleap | hmm | 13:21 |
| penguin42 | zleap: What's your partitioning like? | 13:25 |
| zleap | as in | 13:25 |
| zleap | i have 2 hard disks | 13:25 |
| penguin42 | ok, and what's on each, what partitions? | 13:25 |
| zleap | first one is now windows, the 2nd did have 10.04 on it, its still there I think as i installed windows on first hard disk | 13:25 |
| penguin42 | zleap: OK, and what do your partitions look like - one partition on each or do you have a separate /boot ? | 13:26 |
| zleap | i was going to just re-install but thought i would have a go to see if i can ge tit to boot before i do that | 13:26 |
| zleap | i think ther eis a separate /boot on the 2nd hard disk | 13:27 |
| zleap | i guess the bootloader used to be on the fist hard disk, as that had linux on too (two installs) | 13:28 |
| penguin42 | ok, you need to check, is it /dev/hdb or /dev/sdb ? | 13:28 |
| penguin42 | zleap: Either way can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/partitions | 13:28 |
| zleap | sda i think has windows | 13:28 |
| zleap | http://pastebin.com/XHcDYB62 | 13:30 |
| penguin42 | ok, there is no separate /boot | 13:30 |
| zleap | ok | 13:30 |
| penguin42 | zleap: OK, try this as root, mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt then chroot /mnt - does that look like your ubuntu install? | 13:31 |
| zleap | is it easier to just install normally | 13:31 |
| zleap | they are mounted anyway from the live cd | 13:31 |
| penguin42 | well lets see if that pair of commands works - it'll only take a moment to try | 13:31 |
| penguin42 | ok, great - now chroot into it | 13:32 |
| zleap | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory | 13:32 |
| penguin42 | sudo .... | 13:33 |
| zleap | i di d | 13:33 |
| penguin42 | ok, what do you see if you ls /media ? | 13:33 |
| zleap | ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory | 13:34 |
| penguin42 | ok, what do you see if you ls /media ? | 13:34 |
| zleap | 13:34 | |
| zleap | failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory | 13:34 |
| penguin42 | no, don't do the chroot for a minute - what do you see inside /media ? | 13:35 |
| zleap | ia m sure there is a gui tool for this | 13:35 |
| penguin42 | ok, you're best reinstalling | 13:36 |
| zleap | ok np | 13:36 |
| zleap | it was worth a try anyway, thanks | 13:36 |
| === mhk__ is now known as mkhan | ||
| pr0ph3t | re all, just wondering if you people use banshee? Because on my side here it keeps hanging, but I thought maybe that's just me? | 15:12 |
| sammm | FFS my internet can't even stream 360p Youtube :( | 16:20 |
| gord | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Wiimote-Nunchuk-MotionPlus-silicon/dp/B003QKQF4Q/ - erm. | 16:56 |
| bigcalm | Haha | 16:59 |
| bigcalm | That is a special one indeed | 17:00 |
| gord | its the embassador edition | 17:06 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Tony] Jorgenson Album Designer on Ubuntu - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/25/jorgenson-album-designer-on-ubuntu/ | 17:13 |
| === frz is now known as Guest5754 | ||
| === Guest5754 is now known as fr-z | ||
| MartijnVdS | http://theyfightcrime.org/ | 18:15 |
| exobuzz | oneiric beta2 is testing my patience - ever since the last batch of unity fixes (including xorg fix), compiz is being really unstable http://pastebin.com/L4xCYdEx guess i need to post a backtrace.. | 18:59 |
| gord | rather more useful yeah | 19:02 |
| exobuzz | <3 weeks till oneiric release date. doesnt seem much time to fix all the issues. I hope (but doubt) ubuntu would release it later but fully polished, rather than something that feels "incomplete" | 19:46 |
| exobuzz | < 3 not a heart ;-) | 19:46 |
| exobuzz | just feels like a lot is incomplete/missing and 3 weeks isnt long. lots of popular apps miss integration with unity, making them unusable. broken accessibility with mousetweaks. stability of unity/compiz. missing usability things like having to install ubuntu tweaks to be able to change fonts/font sizes. | 19:52 |
| ali1234 | exobuzz: i'm still waiting for issues in natty to be fixed. if they haven't been fixed in 5 months i doubt they'll be fixed in 3 weeks | 20:01 |
| exobuzz | ali1234, mousetweaks is broken still in natty :-) | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | of course it is | 20:01 |
| ali1234 | i don't think a single user visible unity bug in natty has been fixed | 20:02 |
| ali1234 | how much does commercial ubuntu support cost? | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | $105 | 20:05 |
| StevenR | popey: ping? | 20:06 |
| AlanBell | exobuzz: what is the mousetweaks bug? | 20:15 |
| gord | huh | 20:16 |
| gord | i just upgraded ubuntu and firefox lost all my search engines apart from ask.com | 20:16 |
| gord | *puts on conspiracy hat* | 20:16 |
| pr0ph3t | hi all, banshee keeps crashing in 11.10, is it just me or is that the norm? | 20:17 |
| gord | ah good, its an old bug that happens with some localised package problems | 20:19 |
| pr0ph3t | gord is that referred to my question? | 20:19 |
| gord | nope | 20:19 |
| pr0ph3t | right | 20:20 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: it's a touchscreen related bug | 20:22 |
| ali1234 | long left click to right click doesn't work in natty | 20:23 |
| ali1234 | not actually ts related but that is where it has the biggest impact | 20:23 |
| AlanBell | works in Oneiric | 20:24 |
| AlanBell | in unity2d at least | 20:25 |
| AlanBell | and in unity 3d | 20:35 |
| AlanBell | the filling the mouse cursor up with orange bit doesn't work very well for me, but that could easily be graphics card dependent and I am running it in a VM | 20:37 |
| exobuzz | AlanBell, simulate right click doesnt work for me on oneiric. it doesnt work on natty, but thats likely another issue. | 20:44 |
| exobuzz | it didnt work for me in oneiric | 20:44 |
| AlanBell | worked for me just now | 20:44 |
| AlanBell | are you on a touchscreen? | 20:45 |
| exobuzz | and it's still broken on natty .. which was an easy fix that no-one cares to sort out :) | 20:45 |
| exobuzz | nope. | 20:45 |
| AlanBell | I was just using a mouse in a VM | 20:45 |
| exobuzz | ill try it again when i reboot, but i switched it on and it didnt do anything just now | 20:45 |
| exobuzz | thats one issue of many of course :) | 20:46 |
| AlanBell | of course | 20:46 |
| exobuzz | gord, a new firefox was just pushed out with the fix for the search engines | 20:46 |
| exobuzz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858683 | 20:47 |
| lubotu3 | Ubuntu bug 858683 in Ubuntu Mozilla PPA Bugs "Lost Search engines on upgrade" [Undecided,New] | 20:47 |
| exobuzz | i like unity panel not to hide. i just opened thunderbird, and right now my thunderbird is underneath the panel, and a gap to the right of the window :/ | 20:48 |
| exobuzz | can someone tell me how users with single click touchscreens are supposed to do the middle mouse click on unity btw ;-) emulation for right mouse, but unity decided middle mouse to launch "another" copy | 20:49 |
| exobuzz | also if i missed something regarding font sizes. is there plans for a font config app, or users have to install ubuntu tweak to play with fonts? | 20:50 |
| exobuzz | i think ill do xubuntu (xfce) for the next joggler release. should be easier to use i guess on the small screen. | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | unity doesn't support touchscreens | 20:53 |
| exobuzz | i might try kde with plasma netbook interface also | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | kde has a touchscreen interface now | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | it has sliding panels and stuff | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | like the android thing | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | except you can slide it down twice | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | which pretty much says everything about kde | 20:55 |
| exobuzz | thats different from the netbook one? what's it called ? | 20:55 |
| exobuzz | http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active ? | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAFfjscVyg | 20:56 |
| exobuzz | thanks. must try that! | 20:56 |
| exobuzz | looks pretty decent | 20:57 |
| AlanBell | interesting point about middle click | 20:57 |
| AlanBell | that isn't an option in the hover click/dwell click stuff either | 20:57 |
| exobuzz | no. you cant simulate a middle click | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | unity has loads of problems like this | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | that is a gnome issue to be fair | 20:58 |
| exobuzz | perhaps ubuntu should integrate easystroke type stuff. | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | not really. gnome doesn't use middle click for an extremely important function | 20:58 |
| AlanBell | unity's issue that it uses middle clicks | 20:58 |
| exobuzz | click hold to move, maybe double click to launch another and single click to focus current running | 20:59 |
| exobuzz | the click and hold to move conflicts a bit with the right mouse emulation stuff too. | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | unity still has no way to go directly to the instance of the app on the current workspace | 21:00 |
| exobuzz | you have to get the timing just right heh | 21:00 |
| AlanBell | yeah, double click instead of single click would be more intuitive and would be simulatable | 21:00 |
| ali1234 | expose is useless when it brings up 10 terminal windows and you can't read any of the text in any of them, because it is too small | 21:00 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: alt-` | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | does nothing? | 21:01 |
| exobuzz | ali1234, linus didn't like gnome3 with the clicking to bring up previous terminal instead of loading another | 21:01 |
| exobuzz | (gnome 3 shell) | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | well gnome3 is pretty bad too | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | i dont mind the expose feature | 21:02 |
| AlanBell | ali1234: if one terminal is focussed then alt+` should do like alt-tab does, but only within that application | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | but pulling in everything from all workspaces is just silly | 21:02 |
| exobuzz | http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html | 21:02 |
| exobuzz | im guessing linus wouldn't like unity too | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: it doesn't | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell: besides what use is that? it still doesn't tell me which terminal is the one on the current workspace? | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | there is pretty much no reason to use workspaces because if you try, you will just get pulled all over the place when you switch between apps | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | and you never know which workspace anything is on, or which workspace you are currently on | 21:03 |
| AlanBell | hmm, yeah, it does include them across different workspaces | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | i just work around it by carefully arranging all windows so i can see a bit of all of them | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | and ignore the launcher for app switching | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | this is a trick i learned on windows 3.1 | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | i thought we would have moved beyond that nonsense | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | also bamf still fails to match loads of programs | 21:05 |
| ali1234 | so i constantly have a "?" icon for "everything else that we couldn't match" | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | sometimes it misidentifies things to. i've clicked on the folder and got an xterm before | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | and then wonder why it isn't loading a folder, since i didn't have any open | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | I am finding it a lot less crashy today | 21:06 |
| AlanBell | several times I have booted to a desktop and nothing crashed | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | i can't use oneiric | 21:07 |
| ali1234 | i need my computer to keep running for at least several days | 21:08 |
| ali1234 | +1 tends to break really bad if you wait a week between updates | 21:08 |
| Azelphur | anyone know a decent mobo I can buy for a media center/mythtv? | 21:08 |
| Azelphur | I want lots of PCI and SATA for plugging in DVB and HDDs :) | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | no | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | use usb for dvb | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | :o | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | but then you can't get the entire mux, only a single channel | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | wrong | 21:09 |
| ali1234 | dvb mux = 27mbit | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | ok then USB it is \o/ | 21:09 |
| Azelphur | mobo with lots of SATA? :D | 21:10 |
| ali1234 | well doesn't that asus board have like 6 sata? | 21:10 |
| Azelphur | the one we use for bitcoin mining? | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | just use one of those | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | or two | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | or all of them | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | make them all run mythbackend | 21:11 |
| ali1234 | that's exactly what i do, except i only have 1 | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | plug in a usb tuner to each one | 21:12 |
| Azelphur | I want frontend too though | 21:12 |
| Azelphur | and a bit of gaming | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | so use one for that | 21:12 |
| Azelphur | I want it to be quite beefy, as I say the P4 3ghz with 1GB of ram is just not cutting it | 21:12 |
| ali1234 | you still have 7 left for backends | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | those boards have onboard nvidia graphics right? use that | 21:13 |
| exobuzz | Azelphur, p67/h67/z68 come with a minimum of 6xsata some with more | 21:13 |
| exobuzz | you want mini-itx or microatx or ? | 21:13 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: for a bit of gaming? | 21:13 |
| Azelphur | nah, full size | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | sure why not, it is nvidia | 21:13 |
| Azelphur | I want it to run dolphin | 21:14 |
| Azelphur | and stuff like that | 21:14 |
| ali1234 | if you want it to be quiet you are not going to get better graphics than onboard nvidia | 21:14 |
| exobuzz | Azelphur, crossfire/sli etc and those things or just one beefy gfx card ? | 21:14 |
| Azelphur | exobuzz: one budget gfx card :) | 21:14 |
| exobuzz | i have a ~£100 mb http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Pro3 | 21:15 |
| exobuzz | socket 1155 | 21:15 |
| ali1234 | i think those boards were like £28 or something | 21:16 |
| Azelphur | that looks ok, thinking I should go for AMD though rather than intel | 21:16 |
| Azelphur | because they tend to be cheaper, lower power, aiming at budget too | 21:16 |
| exobuzz | ali1234, sandy bridge onboard intel gfx is quicker than intel ion last i checked though | 21:16 |
| exobuzz | nvidia ion even | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | but it still sucks even compared to nvidia integrated | 21:17 |
| Azelphur | need decent drivers so gotta be nvidia :P | 21:17 |
| exobuzz | ali1234, which integrated ? | 21:17 |
| ali1234 | ion is a mobile gpu | 21:17 |
| exobuzz | intel drivers are decent on linux, just no opengl 3.0 etc which is a shame | 21:17 |
| * Lcawte still wants nvidia-96 to be updated ^.^ | 21:18 | |
| exobuzz | ali1234, which integrated gfx are you referring to. an example | 21:18 |
| ali1234 | dunno. trying to find out what this board has | 21:18 |
| exobuzz | im running on sandy bridge now (intel hd 3000 or whatever), but of course i can add an nvidia card if i need at some point. not really gaming at the moment | 21:19 |
| exobuzz | (or at least not on games that require something better) | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | ok this board has a Geforce 7025 | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | not sure if i believe that actually | 21:21 |
| exobuzz | ali1234, the intel graphics hd 3000 will be quicker than that old thing | 21:23 |
| ali1234 | quicker for what though? | 21:23 |
| exobuzz | everything | 21:23 |
| exobuzz | http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3332/benchmarks.png | 21:24 |
| exobuzz | you can see from there roughly where it sits | 21:24 |
| ali1234 | i could do if i knew what nvidia 320M was | 21:25 |
| exobuzz | http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11 | 21:25 |
| gibletparade | Hi | 21:58 |
| gibletparade | Anyone know of an IRC client that actually times out connecting to a server and tries another? | 21:58 |
| gibletparade | Trying to get onto ustream IRC but Xchat just sits there waiting on a dead server | 21:59 |
| StevenR | irssi ? | 22:00 |
| AlanBell | I never managed to get onto ustream irc | 22:01 |
| AlanBell | every so often I watch the jono thing, and spend the entire show trying to get connected because the web interface is horrible | 22:01 |
| gibletparade | I usually can but I think I must have got lucky with server loads | 22:01 |
| gibletparade | yes the web interface, with flash ads, flash video and flash ads and chat client and flash ads, is just too much for this webbook | 22:02 |
| gibletparade | ... so I watch video on my phone and (usually) IRC | 22:03 |
| gibletparade | Will try irssi, thanks StevenR | 22:04 |
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