[00:00] <sammm> Weirdly enough, I get a better signal with my 5 inch antenna than I do my 9 inch one
[02:11] <sammm> I have enough bandwidth to do some online gaming now :D
[02:11] <sammm> It's still not all that great, but it's bearable :)
[02:11] <sammm> And I can browse the web not too badly too
[02:11] <sammm> And I can stream 480p Youtube :D
[02:51] <shauno> think I'm finally done wrangling ip6tables for the evening
[06:48]  * czajkowski does a little dance! 
[06:50] <danfish> czajkowski: an Irish jig no less ;)
[06:50] <czajkowski> danfish: can you blame me with that score :D
[06:51] <danfish> true.....but it was Russia
[06:52] <czajkowski> we're topping the pool
[06:52] <czajkowski> beat AU
[06:52] <danfish> mind you, if rugby goes the way of football, the Ruskies will have bought up every team in the UK ;)
[06:52] <czajkowski> shrup!
[06:53] <danfish> czajkowski: where does that put you for the knock out stages?
[06:54] <czajkowski> pretty good way
[06:54] <czajkowski> however we got the pasta folks next weekend
[06:54] <czajkowski> Potatoes V Pasta
[06:55] <danfish> hah
[06:55] <danfish> gnocchi - the best of both
[06:56] <czajkowski> Scotland V Argentina now
[06:56] <MartijnVdS> Don't gnoccit 'til you try it!
[06:56]  * danfish groans
[06:59]  * danfish received some infrared sensors from China off ebay - no datasheet included :-(
[06:59] <MartijnVdS> danfish: aren't IR sensors very simple things anyway?
[07:03] <danfish> MartijnVdS: fairly simple, but some info re required voltage, whether they need pull-up resistors etc would be nice
[07:05] <czajkowski> danfish: roll on 2015 eh
[07:05] <czajkowski> might even seen some advertising for the oval shaped ball in the UK!
[07:13] <danfish> I see Ireland's cunning plan of losing all their warmup games is working!
[07:17] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:24] <czajkowski> danfish: indeed!
[07:24] <czajkowski> we'll take a loss to England to thrash and wipe the smugness of Au
[07:24] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aloha
[07:27] <AlanBell> hi
[07:29] <czajkowski> AlanBell: so what are you up to this bright and sunny day eh
[07:29] <czajkowski> seemingly a heat wave next week
[07:41] <ging> how can you have a heatwave now?
[07:41] <czajkowski> I dunno
[07:42] <czajkowski> ask the weather man
[07:46] <ging> i don't trust him
[08:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Laura Czajkowski] Rugby Rantings and Ravings pays off on iphone app - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/25/rugby-rantings-and-ravings-pays-off-on-iphone-app/
[09:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:30] <brobostigon> o/ MartijnVdS
[09:44] <pr0ph3t> hi all, does anyone have issues with the new ubuntuone frontend? It doesn't get past installation at the moment. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 64bit
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> pr0ph3t: past installation?
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> It works fine for me
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't do any installation?
[10:35] <pr0ph3t> MartijnVdS, not it starts the installation, asks me for a pass and then crashes
[10:36] <pr0ph3t> it used to work, but then it stopped showing the account tab so I decided to remove it and reinstall it, something must haave gone wrong in the process
[11:03] <pr0ph3t> I managed to start it now but it says "The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?" on the Account TAB, any ideas why?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> strange.. I didn't need to install extra stuff
[12:10] <wayneandleanne> anbody know how to setup up pidgin for irc chat?
[12:10] <wayneandleanne> *anybody
[12:11] <penguin42> well, I'm here on pidgin on irc
[12:11] <wayneandleanne> penguin42: what settings did/are you using?
[12:12] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Click on the Buddy list window, go to the menu bar Accounts->Manage Accounts and then add
[12:12] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Then just select irc instead of aim or whatever
[12:12] <wayneandleanne> which server should i choose?
[12:13] <penguin42> well, what irc channels do you want to connect to - these?
[12:13] <wayneandleanne> this one
[12:13] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Pick one from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml
[12:14] <penguin42> wayneandleanne: Not the ones in italic
[12:14] <wayneandleanne> done, thanks, but why not the italic ones/
[12:14] <wayneandleanne> ?
[12:15] <penguin42> according to that page those aren't happy at the moment
[12:17] <wayneandleanne> penguin42: thanks for the help
[12:18] <penguin42> no problem
[12:27] <wayneandleanne1> did it work??
[12:28] <wayneandleanne1> anybody know the command to switch nick's?
[12:28] <bigcalm> It is /nick wibble
[12:29] <wayneandleanne> bigcalm: Thanks
[12:29] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[13:11] <zleap> hello
[13:12] <zleap> how do i reinstall grub using a live cd as i installed windows on the first hdd and i think the ubuntu install is still intact on hard disk 2
[13:16] <zleap> hello
[13:18] <penguin42> I think you can run grub-install
[13:19] <zleap> ok thanks
[13:19] <zleap> so to install on hda1 i type grub-install /dev/hda1
[13:21] <zleap> hmm
[13:25] <penguin42> zleap: What's your partitioning like?
[13:25] <zleap> as in
[13:25] <zleap> i have 2 hard disks
[13:25] <penguin42> ok, and what's on each, what partitions?
[13:25] <zleap> first one is now windows,  the 2nd did have 10.04 on it,  its still there I think as i installed windows on first hard disk
[13:26] <penguin42> zleap: OK, and what do your partitions look like - one partition on each or do you have a separate /boot ?
[13:26] <zleap> i was going to just re-install but thought i would have a go to see if i can ge tit to boot before i do that
[13:27] <zleap> i think ther eis a separate /boot on the 2nd hard disk
[13:28] <zleap> i guess the bootloader used to be on the fist hard disk, as that had linux on too (two installs)
[13:28] <penguin42> ok, you need to check, is it /dev/hdb or /dev/sdb ?
[13:28] <penguin42> zleap: Either way can you pastebin the output of   cat /proc/partitions
[13:28] <zleap> sda i think has windows
[13:30] <zleap> http://pastebin.com/XHcDYB62
[13:30] <penguin42> ok, there is no separate /boot
[13:30] <zleap> ok
[13:31] <penguin42> zleap: OK, try this as root,    mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt      then    chroot /mnt      - does that look like your ubuntu install?
[13:31] <zleap> is it easier to just install normally
[13:31] <zleap> they are mounted anyway from the live cd
[13:31] <penguin42> well lets see if that pair of commands works - it'll only take a moment to try
[13:32] <penguin42> ok, great - now chroot into it
[13:32] <zleap> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:33] <penguin42> sudo ....
[13:33] <zleap> i di d
[13:33] <penguin42> ok, what do you see if you ls /media ?
[13:34] <zleap> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:34] <penguin42> ok, what do you see if you ls /media ?
[13:34] <zleap>  
[13:34] <zleap>  failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory
[13:35] <penguin42> no, don't do the chroot for a minute - what do you see inside /media ?
[13:35] <zleap> ia m sure there is a gui tool for this
[13:36] <penguin42> ok, you're best reinstalling
[13:36] <zleap> ok np
[13:36] <zleap> it was worth a try anyway, thanks
[15:12] <pr0ph3t> re all, just wondering if you people use banshee? Because on my side here it keeps hanging, but I thought maybe that's just me?
[16:20] <sammm> FFS my internet can't even stream 360p Youtube :(
[16:56] <gord> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Wiimote-Nunchuk-MotionPlus-silicon/dp/B003QKQF4Q/ - erm.
[16:59] <bigcalm> Haha
[17:00] <bigcalm> That is a special one indeed
[17:06] <gord> its the embassador edition
[17:13] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Jorgenson Album Designer on Ubuntu - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/25/jorgenson-album-designer-on-ubuntu/
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> http://theyfightcrime.org/
[18:59] <exobuzz> oneiric beta2 is testing my patience - ever since the last batch of unity fixes (including xorg fix), compiz is being really unstable http://pastebin.com/L4xCYdEx guess i need to post a backtrace..
[19:02] <gord> rather more useful yeah
[19:46] <exobuzz> <3 weeks till oneiric release date. doesnt seem much time to fix all the issues. I hope (but doubt) ubuntu would release it later but fully polished, rather than something that feels "incomplete"
[19:46] <exobuzz> < 3 not a heart ;-)
[19:52] <exobuzz> just feels like a lot is incomplete/missing and 3 weeks isnt long. lots of popular apps miss integration with unity, making them unusable. broken accessibility with mousetweaks. stability of unity/compiz. missing usability things like having to install ubuntu tweaks to be able to change fonts/font sizes.
[20:01] <ali1234> exobuzz: i'm still waiting for issues in natty to be fixed. if they haven't been fixed in 5 months i doubt they'll be fixed in 3 weeks
[20:01] <exobuzz> ali1234, mousetweaks is broken still in natty :-)
[20:01] <ali1234> of course it is
[20:02] <ali1234> i don't think a single user visible unity bug in natty has been fixed
[20:04] <ali1234> how much does commercial ubuntu support cost?
[20:05] <ali1234> $105
[20:06] <StevenR> popey: ping?
[20:15] <AlanBell> exobuzz: what is the mousetweaks bug?
[20:16] <gord> huh
[20:16] <gord> i just upgraded ubuntu and firefox lost all my search engines apart from ask.com
[20:16] <gord> *puts on conspiracy hat*
[20:17] <pr0ph3t> hi all, banshee keeps crashing in 11.10, is it just me or is that the norm?
[20:19] <gord> ah good, its an old bug that happens with some localised package problems
[20:19] <pr0ph3t> gord is that referred to my question?
[20:19] <gord> nope
[20:20] <pr0ph3t> right
[20:22] <ali1234> AlanBell: it's a touchscreen related bug
[20:23] <ali1234> long left click to right click doesn't work in natty
[20:23] <ali1234> not actually ts related but that is where it has the biggest impact
[20:24] <AlanBell> works in Oneiric
[20:25] <AlanBell> in unity2d at least
[20:35] <AlanBell> and in unity 3d
[20:37] <AlanBell> the filling the mouse cursor up with orange bit doesn't work very well for me, but that could easily be graphics card dependent and I am running it in a VM
[20:44] <exobuzz> AlanBell, simulate right click doesnt work for me on oneiric. it doesnt work on natty, but thats likely another issue.
[20:44] <exobuzz> it didnt work for me in oneiric
[20:44] <AlanBell> worked for me just now
[20:45] <AlanBell> are you on a touchscreen?
[20:45] <exobuzz> and it's still broken on natty .. which was an easy fix that no-one cares to sort out :)
[20:45] <exobuzz> nope.
[20:45] <AlanBell> I was just using a mouse in a VM
[20:45] <exobuzz> ill try it again when i reboot, but i switched it on and it didnt do anything just now
[20:46] <exobuzz> thats one issue of many of course :)
[20:46] <AlanBell> of course
[20:46] <exobuzz> gord, a new firefox was just pushed out with the fix for the search engines
[20:47] <exobuzz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858683
[20:48] <exobuzz> i like unity panel not to hide. i just opened thunderbird, and right now my thunderbird is underneath the panel, and a gap to the right of the window :/
[20:49] <exobuzz> can someone tell me how users with single click touchscreens are supposed to do the middle mouse click on unity btw ;-) emulation for right mouse, but unity decided middle mouse to launch "another" copy
[20:50] <exobuzz> also if i missed something regarding font sizes. is there plans for a font config app, or users have to install ubuntu tweak to play with fonts?
[20:52] <exobuzz> i think ill do xubuntu (xfce) for the next joggler release. should be easier to use i guess on the small screen.
[20:53] <ali1234> unity doesn't support touchscreens
[20:54] <exobuzz> i might try kde with plasma netbook interface also
[20:54] <ali1234> kde has a touchscreen interface now
[20:54] <ali1234> it has sliding panels and stuff
[20:54] <ali1234> like the android thing
[20:54] <ali1234> except you can slide it down twice
[20:55] <ali1234> which pretty much says everything about kde
[20:55] <exobuzz> thats different from the netbook one? what's it called ?
[20:55] <exobuzz> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active ?
[20:56] <ali1234> yeah
[20:56] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAFfjscVyg
[20:56] <exobuzz> thanks. must try that!
[20:57] <exobuzz> looks pretty decent
[20:57] <AlanBell> interesting point about middle click
[20:57] <AlanBell> that isn't an option in the hover click/dwell click stuff either
[20:57] <exobuzz> no. you cant simulate a middle click
[20:58] <ali1234> unity has loads of problems like this
[20:58] <AlanBell> that is a gnome issue to be fair
[20:58] <exobuzz> perhaps ubuntu should integrate easystroke type stuff.
[20:58] <ali1234> not really. gnome doesn't use middle click for an extremely important function
[20:58] <AlanBell> unity's issue that it uses middle clicks
[20:59] <exobuzz> click hold to move, maybe double click to launch another and single click to focus current running
[21:00] <exobuzz> the click and hold to move conflicts a bit with the right mouse emulation stuff too.
[21:00] <ali1234> unity still has no way to go directly to the instance of the app on the current workspace
[21:00] <exobuzz> you have to get the timing just right heh
[21:00] <AlanBell> yeah, double click instead of single click would be more intuitive and would be simulatable
[21:00] <ali1234> expose is useless when it brings up 10 terminal windows and you can't read any of the text in any of them, because it is too small
[21:01] <AlanBell> ali1234: alt-`
[21:01] <ali1234> does nothing?
[21:01] <exobuzz> ali1234, linus didn't like gnome3 with the clicking to bring up previous terminal instead of loading another
[21:01] <exobuzz> (gnome 3 shell)
[21:01] <ali1234> well gnome3 is pretty bad too
[21:02] <ali1234> i dont mind the expose feature
[21:02] <AlanBell> ali1234: if one terminal is focussed then alt+` should do like alt-tab does, but only within that application
[21:02] <ali1234> but pulling in everything from all workspaces is just silly
[21:02] <exobuzz> http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html
[21:02] <exobuzz> im guessing linus wouldn't like unity too
[21:02] <ali1234> AlanBell: it doesn't
[21:02] <ali1234> AlanBell: besides what use is that? it still doesn't tell me which terminal is the one on the current workspace?
[21:03] <ali1234> there is pretty much no reason to use workspaces because if you try, you will just get pulled all over the place when you switch between apps
[21:03] <ali1234> and you never know which workspace anything is on, or which workspace you are currently on
[21:03] <AlanBell> hmm, yeah, it does include them across different workspaces
[21:04] <ali1234> i just work around it by carefully arranging all windows so i can see a bit of all of them
[21:04] <ali1234> and ignore the launcher for app switching
[21:04] <ali1234> this is a trick i learned on windows 3.1
[21:04] <ali1234> i thought we would have moved beyond that nonsense
[21:05] <ali1234> also bamf still fails to match loads of programs
[21:06] <ali1234> so i constantly have a "?" icon for "everything else that we couldn't match"
[21:06] <ali1234> sometimes it misidentifies things to. i've clicked on the folder and got an xterm before
[21:06] <ali1234> and then wonder why it isn't loading a folder, since i didn't have any open
[21:06] <AlanBell> I am finding it a lot less crashy today
[21:07] <AlanBell> several times I have booted to a desktop and nothing crashed
[21:07] <ali1234> i can't use oneiric
[21:08] <ali1234> i need my computer to keep running for at least several days
[21:08] <ali1234> +1 tends to break really bad if you wait a week between updates
[21:08] <Azelphur> anyone know a decent mobo I can buy for a media center/mythtv?
[21:09] <Azelphur> I want lots of PCI and SATA for plugging in DVB and HDDs :)
[21:09] <ali1234> no
[21:09] <ali1234> use usb for dvb
[21:09] <Azelphur> :o
[21:09] <Azelphur> but then you can't get the entire mux, only a single channel
[21:09] <ali1234> wrong
[21:09] <ali1234> dvb mux = 27mbit
[21:09] <Azelphur> ok then USB it is \o/
[21:10] <Azelphur> mobo with lots of SATA? :D
[21:10] <ali1234> well doesn't that asus board have like 6 sata?
[21:11] <Azelphur> the one we use for bitcoin mining?
[21:11] <ali1234> yeah
[21:11] <ali1234> just use one of those
[21:11] <ali1234> or two
[21:11] <ali1234> or all of them
[21:11] <ali1234> make them all run mythbackend
[21:12] <ali1234> that's exactly what i do, except i only have 1
[21:12] <ali1234> plug in a usb tuner to each one
[21:12] <Azelphur> I want frontend too though
[21:12] <Azelphur> and a bit of gaming
[21:12] <ali1234> so use one for that
[21:12] <Azelphur> I want it to be quite beefy, as I say the P4 3ghz with 1GB of ram is just not cutting it
[21:13] <ali1234> you still have 7 left for backends
[21:13] <ali1234> those boards have onboard nvidia graphics right? use that
[21:13] <exobuzz> Azelphur, p67/h67/z68 come with a minimum of 6xsata some with more
[21:13] <exobuzz> you want mini-itx or microatx or ?
[21:13] <Azelphur> ali1234: for a bit of gaming?
[21:13] <Azelphur> nah, full size
[21:13] <ali1234> sure why not, it is nvidia
[21:14] <Azelphur> I want it to run dolphin
[21:14] <Azelphur> and stuff like that
[21:14] <ali1234> if you want it to be quiet you are not going to get better graphics than onboard nvidia
[21:14] <exobuzz> Azelphur, crossfire/sli etc and those things or just one beefy gfx card ?
[21:14] <Azelphur> exobuzz: one budget gfx card :)
[21:15] <exobuzz> i have a ~£100 mb http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Pro3
[21:15] <exobuzz> socket 1155
[21:16] <ali1234> i think those boards were like £28 or something
[21:16] <Azelphur> that looks ok, thinking I should go for AMD though rather than intel
[21:16] <Azelphur> because they tend to be cheaper, lower power, aiming at budget too
[21:16] <exobuzz> ali1234, sandy bridge onboard intel gfx is quicker than intel ion last i checked though
[21:16] <exobuzz> nvidia ion even
[21:17] <ali1234> but it still sucks even compared to nvidia integrated
[21:17] <Azelphur> need decent drivers so gotta be nvidia :P
[21:17] <exobuzz> ali1234, which integrated ?
[21:17] <ali1234> ion is a mobile gpu
[21:17] <exobuzz> intel drivers are decent on linux, just no opengl 3.0 etc which is a shame
[21:18]  * Lcawte still wants nvidia-96 to be updated ^.^
[21:18] <exobuzz> ali1234, which integrated gfx are you referring to. an example
[21:18] <ali1234> dunno. trying to find out what this board has
[21:19] <exobuzz> im running on sandy bridge now (intel hd 3000 or whatever), but of course i can add an nvidia card if i need at some point. not really gaming at the moment
[21:20] <exobuzz> (or at least not on games that require something better)
[21:20] <ali1234> ok this board has a Geforce 7025
[21:21] <ali1234> not sure if i believe that actually
[21:23] <exobuzz> ali1234, the intel graphics hd 3000 will be quicker than that old thing
[21:23] <ali1234> quicker for what though?
[21:23] <exobuzz> everything
[21:24] <exobuzz> http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3332/benchmarks.png
[21:24] <exobuzz> you can see from there roughly where it sits
[21:25] <ali1234> i could do if i knew what nvidia 320M was
[21:25] <exobuzz> http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11
[21:58] <gibletparade> Hi
[21:58] <gibletparade> Anyone know of an IRC client that actually times out connecting to a server and tries another?
[21:59] <gibletparade> Trying to get onto ustream IRC but Xchat just sits there waiting on a dead server
[22:00] <StevenR> irssi ?
[22:01] <AlanBell> I never managed to get onto ustream irc
[22:01] <AlanBell> every so often I watch the jono thing, and spend the entire show trying to get connected because the web interface is horrible
[22:01] <gibletparade> I usually can but I think I must have got lucky with server loads
[22:02] <gibletparade> yes the web interface, with flash ads, flash video and flash ads and chat client and flash ads, is just too much for this webbook
[22:03] <gibletparade> ... so I watch video on my phone and (usually) IRC
[22:04] <gibletparade> Will try irssi, thanks StevenR