[00:00] Weirdly enough, I get a better signal with my 5 inch antenna than I do my 9 inch one [02:11] I have enough bandwidth to do some online gaming now :D [02:11] It's still not all that great, but it's bearable :) [02:11] And I can browse the web not too badly too [02:11] And I can stream 480p Youtube :D [02:51] think I'm finally done wrangling ip6tables for the evening [06:48] * czajkowski does a little dance! [06:50] czajkowski: an Irish jig no less ;) [06:50] danfish: can you blame me with that score :D [06:51] true.....but it was Russia [06:52] we're topping the pool [06:52] beat AU [06:52] mind you, if rugby goes the way of football, the Ruskies will have bought up every team in the UK ;) [06:52] shrup! [06:53] czajkowski: where does that put you for the knock out stages? [06:54] pretty good way [06:54] however we got the pasta folks next weekend [06:54] Potatoes V Pasta [06:55] hah [06:55] gnocchi - the best of both [06:56] Scotland V Argentina now [06:56] Don't gnoccit 'til you try it! [06:56] * danfish groans [06:59] * danfish received some infrared sensors from China off ebay - no datasheet included :-( [06:59] danfish: aren't IR sensors very simple things anyway? [07:03] MartijnVdS: fairly simple, but some info re required voltage, whether they need pull-up resistors etc would be nice [07:05] danfish: roll on 2015 eh [07:05] might even seen some advertising for the oval shaped ball in the UK! [07:13] I see Ireland's cunning plan of losing all their warmup games is working! [07:17] morning all [07:24] danfish: indeed! [07:24] we'll take a loss to England to thrash and wipe the smugness of Au [07:24] AlanBell: aloha [07:27] hi [07:29] AlanBell: so what are you up to this bright and sunny day eh [07:29] seemingly a heat wave next week [07:41] how can you have a heatwave now? [07:41] I dunno [07:42] ask the weather man [07:46] i don't trust him [08:13] [Laura Czajkowski] Rugby Rantings and Ravings pays off on iphone app - http://www.lczajkowski.com/2011/09/25/rugby-rantings-and-ravings-pays-off-on-iphone-app/ [09:29] good morning everyone, [09:29] \o brobostigon [09:30] o/ MartijnVdS [09:44] hi all, does anyone have issues with the new ubuntuone frontend? It doesn't get past installation at the moment. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 64bit [09:48] pr0ph3t: past installation? [09:48] It works fine for me [09:48] it doesn't do any installation? [10:35] MartijnVdS, not it starts the installation, asks me for a pass and then crashes [10:36] it used to work, but then it stopped showing the account tab so I decided to remove it and reinstall it, something must haave gone wrong in the process [11:03] I managed to start it now but it says "The information could not be retrieved. Maybe your internet connection is down?" on the Account TAB, any ideas why? [11:29] strange.. I didn't need to install extra stuff [12:10] anbody know how to setup up pidgin for irc chat? [12:10] *anybody [12:11] well, I'm here on pidgin on irc [12:11] penguin42: what settings did/are you using? [12:12] wayneandleanne: Click on the Buddy list window, go to the menu bar Accounts->Manage Accounts and then add [12:12] wayneandleanne: Then just select irc instead of aim or whatever [12:12] which server should i choose? [12:13] well, what irc channels do you want to connect to - these? [12:13] this one [12:13] wayneandleanne: Pick one from http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml [12:14] wayneandleanne: Not the ones in italic [12:14] done, thanks, but why not the italic ones/ [12:14] ? [12:15] according to that page those aren't happy at the moment [12:17] penguin42: thanks for the help [12:18] no problem [12:27] did it work?? [12:28] anybody know the command to switch nick's? [12:28] It is /nick wibble === wayneandleanne1 is now known as wayneandleanne [12:29] bigcalm: Thanks [12:29] You're welcome [13:11] hello [13:12] how do i reinstall grub using a live cd as i installed windows on the first hdd and i think the ubuntu install is still intact on hard disk 2 [13:16] hello [13:18] I think you can run grub-install [13:19] ok thanks [13:19] so to install on hda1 i type grub-install /dev/hda1 [13:21] hmm [13:25] zleap: What's your partitioning like? [13:25] as in [13:25] i have 2 hard disks [13:25] ok, and what's on each, what partitions? [13:25] first one is now windows, the 2nd did have 10.04 on it, its still there I think as i installed windows on first hard disk [13:26] zleap: OK, and what do your partitions look like - one partition on each or do you have a separate /boot ? [13:26] i was going to just re-install but thought i would have a go to see if i can ge tit to boot before i do that [13:27] i think ther eis a separate /boot on the 2nd hard disk [13:28] i guess the bootloader used to be on the fist hard disk, as that had linux on too (two installs) [13:28] ok, you need to check, is it /dev/hdb or /dev/sdb ? [13:28] zleap: Either way can you pastebin the output of cat /proc/partitions [13:28] sda i think has windows [13:30] http://pastebin.com/XHcDYB62 [13:30] ok, there is no separate /boot [13:30] ok [13:31] zleap: OK, try this as root, mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt then chroot /mnt - does that look like your ubuntu install? [13:31] is it easier to just install normally [13:31] they are mounted anyway from the live cd [13:31] well lets see if that pair of commands works - it'll only take a moment to try [13:32] ok, great - now chroot into it [13:32] ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [13:33] sudo .... [13:33] i di d [13:33] ok, what do you see if you ls /media ? [13:34] ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ chroot /media chroot: cannot change root directory to /media: Operation not permitted ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo chroot /media chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [13:34] ok, what do you see if you ls /media ? [13:34] [13:34] failed to run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory [13:35] no, don't do the chroot for a minute - what do you see inside /media ? [13:35] ia m sure there is a gui tool for this [13:36] ok, you're best reinstalling [13:36] ok np [13:36] it was worth a try anyway, thanks === mhk__ is now known as mkhan [15:12] re all, just wondering if you people use banshee? Because on my side here it keeps hanging, but I thought maybe that's just me? [16:20] FFS my internet can't even stream 360p Youtube :( [16:56] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Wiimote-Nunchuk-MotionPlus-silicon/dp/B003QKQF4Q/ - erm. [16:59] Haha [17:00] That is a special one indeed [17:06] its the embassador edition [17:13] [Tony] Jorgenson Album Designer on Ubuntu - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/25/jorgenson-album-designer-on-ubuntu/ === frz is now known as Guest5754 === Guest5754 is now known as fr-z [18:15] http://theyfightcrime.org/ [18:59] oneiric beta2 is testing my patience - ever since the last batch of unity fixes (including xorg fix), compiz is being really unstable http://pastebin.com/L4xCYdEx guess i need to post a backtrace.. [19:02] rather more useful yeah [19:46] <3 weeks till oneiric release date. doesnt seem much time to fix all the issues. I hope (but doubt) ubuntu would release it later but fully polished, rather than something that feels "incomplete" [19:46] < 3 not a heart ;-) [19:52] just feels like a lot is incomplete/missing and 3 weeks isnt long. lots of popular apps miss integration with unity, making them unusable. broken accessibility with mousetweaks. stability of unity/compiz. missing usability things like having to install ubuntu tweaks to be able to change fonts/font sizes. [20:01] exobuzz: i'm still waiting for issues in natty to be fixed. if they haven't been fixed in 5 months i doubt they'll be fixed in 3 weeks [20:01] ali1234, mousetweaks is broken still in natty :-) [20:01] of course it is [20:02] i don't think a single user visible unity bug in natty has been fixed [20:04] how much does commercial ubuntu support cost? [20:05] $105 [20:06] popey: ping? [20:15] exobuzz: what is the mousetweaks bug? [20:16] huh [20:16] i just upgraded ubuntu and firefox lost all my search engines apart from ask.com [20:16] *puts on conspiracy hat* [20:17] hi all, banshee keeps crashing in 11.10, is it just me or is that the norm? [20:19] ah good, its an old bug that happens with some localised package problems [20:19] gord is that referred to my question? [20:19] nope [20:20] right [20:22] AlanBell: it's a touchscreen related bug [20:23] long left click to right click doesn't work in natty [20:23] not actually ts related but that is where it has the biggest impact [20:24] works in Oneiric [20:25] in unity2d at least [20:35] and in unity 3d [20:37] the filling the mouse cursor up with orange bit doesn't work very well for me, but that could easily be graphics card dependent and I am running it in a VM [20:44] AlanBell, simulate right click doesnt work for me on oneiric. it doesnt work on natty, but thats likely another issue. [20:44] it didnt work for me in oneiric [20:44] worked for me just now [20:45] are you on a touchscreen? [20:45] and it's still broken on natty .. which was an easy fix that no-one cares to sort out :) [20:45] nope. [20:45] I was just using a mouse in a VM [20:45] ill try it again when i reboot, but i switched it on and it didnt do anything just now [20:46] thats one issue of many of course :) [20:46] of course [20:46] gord, a new firefox was just pushed out with the fix for the search engines [20:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/858683 [20:47] Ubuntu bug 858683 in Ubuntu Mozilla PPA Bugs "Lost Search engines on upgrade" [Undecided,New] [20:48] i like unity panel not to hide. i just opened thunderbird, and right now my thunderbird is underneath the panel, and a gap to the right of the window :/ [20:49] can someone tell me how users with single click touchscreens are supposed to do the middle mouse click on unity btw ;-) emulation for right mouse, but unity decided middle mouse to launch "another" copy [20:50] also if i missed something regarding font sizes. is there plans for a font config app, or users have to install ubuntu tweak to play with fonts? [20:52] i think ill do xubuntu (xfce) for the next joggler release. should be easier to use i guess on the small screen. [20:53] unity doesn't support touchscreens [20:54] i might try kde with plasma netbook interface also [20:54] kde has a touchscreen interface now [20:54] it has sliding panels and stuff [20:54] like the android thing [20:54] except you can slide it down twice [20:55] which pretty much says everything about kde [20:55] thats different from the netbook one? what's it called ? [20:55] http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Active ? [20:56] yeah [20:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GAFfjscVyg [20:56] thanks. must try that! [20:57] looks pretty decent [20:57] interesting point about middle click [20:57] that isn't an option in the hover click/dwell click stuff either [20:57] no. you cant simulate a middle click [20:58] unity has loads of problems like this [20:58] that is a gnome issue to be fair [20:58] perhaps ubuntu should integrate easystroke type stuff. [20:58] not really. gnome doesn't use middle click for an extremely important function [20:58] unity's issue that it uses middle clicks [20:59] click hold to move, maybe double click to launch another and single click to focus current running [21:00] the click and hold to move conflicts a bit with the right mouse emulation stuff too. [21:00] unity still has no way to go directly to the instance of the app on the current workspace [21:00] you have to get the timing just right heh [21:00] yeah, double click instead of single click would be more intuitive and would be simulatable [21:00] expose is useless when it brings up 10 terminal windows and you can't read any of the text in any of them, because it is too small [21:01] ali1234: alt-` [21:01] does nothing? [21:01] ali1234, linus didn't like gnome3 with the clicking to bring up previous terminal instead of loading another [21:01] (gnome 3 shell) [21:01] well gnome3 is pretty bad too [21:02] i dont mind the expose feature [21:02] ali1234: if one terminal is focussed then alt+` should do like alt-tab does, but only within that application [21:02] but pulling in everything from all workspaces is just silly [21:02] http://www.techdrivein.com/2011/08/linus-switches-to-xfce-calls-gnome-3.html [21:02] im guessing linus wouldn't like unity too [21:02] AlanBell: it doesn't [21:02] AlanBell: besides what use is that? it still doesn't tell me which terminal is the one on the current workspace? [21:03] there is pretty much no reason to use workspaces because if you try, you will just get pulled all over the place when you switch between apps [21:03] and you never know which workspace anything is on, or which workspace you are currently on [21:03] hmm, yeah, it does include them across different workspaces [21:04] i just work around it by carefully arranging all windows so i can see a bit of all of them [21:04] and ignore the launcher for app switching [21:04] this is a trick i learned on windows 3.1 [21:04] i thought we would have moved beyond that nonsense [21:05] also bamf still fails to match loads of programs [21:06] so i constantly have a "?" icon for "everything else that we couldn't match" [21:06] sometimes it misidentifies things to. i've clicked on the folder and got an xterm before [21:06] and then wonder why it isn't loading a folder, since i didn't have any open [21:06] I am finding it a lot less crashy today [21:07] several times I have booted to a desktop and nothing crashed [21:07] i can't use oneiric [21:08] i need my computer to keep running for at least several days [21:08] +1 tends to break really bad if you wait a week between updates [21:08] anyone know a decent mobo I can buy for a media center/mythtv? [21:09] I want lots of PCI and SATA for plugging in DVB and HDDs :) [21:09] no [21:09] use usb for dvb [21:09] :o [21:09] but then you can't get the entire mux, only a single channel [21:09] wrong [21:09] dvb mux = 27mbit [21:09] ok then USB it is \o/ [21:10] mobo with lots of SATA? :D [21:10] well doesn't that asus board have like 6 sata? [21:11] the one we use for bitcoin mining? [21:11] yeah [21:11] just use one of those [21:11] or two [21:11] or all of them [21:11] make them all run mythbackend [21:12] that's exactly what i do, except i only have 1 [21:12] plug in a usb tuner to each one [21:12] I want frontend too though [21:12] and a bit of gaming [21:12] so use one for that [21:12] I want it to be quite beefy, as I say the P4 3ghz with 1GB of ram is just not cutting it [21:13] you still have 7 left for backends [21:13] those boards have onboard nvidia graphics right? use that [21:13] Azelphur, p67/h67/z68 come with a minimum of 6xsata some with more [21:13] you want mini-itx or microatx or ? [21:13] ali1234: for a bit of gaming? [21:13] nah, full size [21:13] sure why not, it is nvidia [21:14] I want it to run dolphin [21:14] and stuff like that [21:14] if you want it to be quiet you are not going to get better graphics than onboard nvidia [21:14] Azelphur, crossfire/sli etc and those things or just one beefy gfx card ? [21:14] exobuzz: one budget gfx card :) [21:15] i have a ~£100 mb http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Pro3 [21:15] socket 1155 [21:16] i think those boards were like £28 or something [21:16] that looks ok, thinking I should go for AMD though rather than intel [21:16] because they tend to be cheaper, lower power, aiming at budget too [21:16] ali1234, sandy bridge onboard intel gfx is quicker than intel ion last i checked though [21:16] nvidia ion even [21:17] but it still sucks even compared to nvidia integrated [21:17] need decent drivers so gotta be nvidia :P [21:17] ali1234, which integrated ? [21:17] ion is a mobile gpu [21:17] intel drivers are decent on linux, just no opengl 3.0 etc which is a shame [21:18] * Lcawte still wants nvidia-96 to be updated ^.^ [21:18] ali1234, which integrated gfx are you referring to. an example [21:18] dunno. trying to find out what this board has [21:19] im running on sandy bridge now (intel hd 3000 or whatever), but of course i can add an nvidia card if i need at some point. not really gaming at the moment [21:20] (or at least not on games that require something better) [21:20] ok this board has a Geforce 7025 [21:21] not sure if i believe that actually [21:23] ali1234, the intel graphics hd 3000 will be quicker than that old thing [21:23] quicker for what though? [21:23] everything [21:24] http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/3332/benchmarks.png [21:24] you can see from there roughly where it sits [21:25] i could do if i knew what nvidia 320M was [21:25] http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/11 [21:58] Hi [21:58] Anyone know of an IRC client that actually times out connecting to a server and tries another? [21:59] Trying to get onto ustream IRC but Xchat just sits there waiting on a dead server [22:00] irssi ? [22:01] I never managed to get onto ustream irc [22:01] every so often I watch the jono thing, and spend the entire show trying to get connected because the web interface is horrible [22:01] I usually can but I think I must have got lucky with server loads [22:02] yes the web interface, with flash ads, flash video and flash ads and chat client and flash ads, is just too much for this webbook [22:03] ... so I watch video on my phone and (usually) IRC [22:04] Will try irssi, thanks StevenR