[02:42] <micahg> madnick: I'll get blueman up in my PPA later tonight
[08:36] <micahg> madnick: hi, I have the new blueman in my PPA (ppa:micahg/patch-test), can you see if it works as well as the one in oneiric?
[17:32] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[17:32] <Unit193> Good afternoon
[17:32] <charlie-tca> no new images yet, probably have to go remind them to turn them on again
[18:07] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 4 hours. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:55] <GridCube> meeting in 5 minutes?
[21:55] <GridCube> charlie-tca, ?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:56] <madnick> :)
[21:56] <GridCube> :D
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu community meeting in #xubuntu-devel in 4 Minutes. Everyone is invited to attend. Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[21:56]  * charlie-tca waves
[21:59] <mr_pouit> hey
[21:59] <charlie-tca> Hello, mr_pouit 
[22:00] <charlie-tca> Let's go for it now!
[22:00] <charlie-tca> #startmeeting Xubuntu
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[22:00] <Exio> :P
[22:00] <charlie-tca> #meetingname Xubuntu Community Meeting
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[22:02] <GridCube> \o/
[22:02] <GridCube> count me twice :P
[22:02] <charlie-tca> sure
[22:02] <charlie-tca> anyone else here?
[22:02] <madnick> hello
[22:02] <micahg> o/
[22:03] <mr_pouit> o/
[22:03] <charlie-tca> beardygnome: Hello kind sir
[22:03] <beardygnome> hi charlie-tca
[22:03] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:03] <beardygnome> sorry i'm a few mins late
[22:03] <charlie-tca> No problem, the important thing is you are here.
[22:03] <charlie-tca>  * charlie-tca to get FFe filed for xubuntu-meta to add blueman to seeds - Carried Forward
[22:04] <charlie-tca> micahg: status?
[22:04] <micahg> charlie-tca: I uploaded a new test version to my PPA, would like madnick to test if possible
[22:04] <charlie-tca> He wants the information about it
[22:04] <charlie-tca> madnick: did you follow?
[22:04] <madnick> yes, i can do that
[22:05] <madnick> I just couldnt find the stuff in the PPA i found on google
[22:05] <charlie-tca> I believe that. Google probably is referring to out of date releases
[22:05] <micahg> madnick: huh? it's my PPA :)  ppa:micahg/patch-test
[22:06] <madnick> oh
[22:06] <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, that too
[22:06] <charlie-tca> #action madnick to test blueman in ppa:micahg/patch-test
[22:06] <meetingology> ACTION: madnick to test blueman in ppa:micahg/patch-test
[22:07] <charlie-tca> We only got a few days left to get this in, and the release team knows we will want an FFe
[22:07] <GridCube> thats good then
[22:07] <madnick> I will try it directly, if there is anything special to test, please tell me :)
[22:07] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:07] <charlie-tca> #subtopic [22:07] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: I know you been busy this week
[22:08] <micahg> madnick: I have no idea, I think functional testing should be sufficient
[22:08] <GridCube> o/
[22:08] <mr_pouit> hehe ;-)
[22:08] <charlie-tca> GridCube: we will give mr_pouit a chance first, okay?
[22:08] <GridCube> :)
[22:08] <mr_pouit> fine by me :p
[22:09] <mr_pouit> * New upstream bugfix releases uploaded: thunar 1.2.3, xfce4-panel 4.8.6, xfwm4 4.8.2, xfce4-utils 4.8.3, xfce4-settings 4.8.3, garcon 0.1.9
[22:09] <mr_pouit> * micahg has been working on blueman (cf. "old business" topic)
[22:09] <mr_pouit> (and I haven't forgotten about Bug #840094)
[22:09] <mr_pouit> ..
[22:09] <charlie-tca> Thank you very much for that work
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Any questions for packaging and development?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead?
[22:10] <GridCube> if we cannot change the lightdm skin in time, can we at least make it not PINK? like black or something?
[22:11] <mr_pouit> I think it's hardcoded like that on i386
[22:11] <GridCube> :(
[22:11] <charlie-tca> no, it is difficult to get the color changed
[22:11] <mr_pouit> (apparently it's not the same color on amd64?)
[22:11] <charlie-tca> heh, no
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Thankfully, it is a very nice blue
[22:12] <charlie-tca> micahg: did you have anything to add to packaging and development?
[22:12] <micahg> just to point out something
[22:13] <micahg> bug 836208 is quite annoying for anyone w/more than one desktop installed
[22:13] <charlie-tca> Ouch
[22:13] <charlie-tca> yes, that would be. another side-effect of adding Xubuntu to Ubuntu, I guess?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Not sure how we fix it, either, since Nautilus tends to take over pretty good now
[22:15] <charlie-tca> See if I can push it to the Ubuntu devs and get someone working on it.
[22:15] <charlie-tca> #subtopic [22:15] <charlie-tca>  * A big thank you to everyone for helping get Beta2 out the door. We now have about three weeks left before the final release of Xubuntu 11.10.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> We should have new images tomorrow. We will need to test them pretty good, since we haven't had any for a few days again.
[22:16] <charlie-tca> mr_pouit is doing a lot better on bug triage than I am currently.
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Thank you for doing that, mr_pouit 
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Any questions?
[22:17] <GridCube> not from me
[22:17] <charlie-tca> #subtopic [22:17] <charlie-tca> pleia2: any updates?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> knome: any updates?
[22:18] <GridCube> o/ 
[22:18] <charlie-tca> go ahead
[22:18]  * GridCube reiterates his recomendation of Someone reviewing the top10
[22:19] <pleia2> knome is working on moving content over to the testing site we have now
[22:19] <charlie-tca> Yes, we have that moving to Old Business, GridCube 
[22:19] <GridCube> ok
[22:19] <pleia2> so things are chugging along :)
[22:19] <GridCube> :) .. then
[22:19] <charlie-tca> pleia2: will we make it for the 11.10 release?
[22:19] <pleia2> hopefully!
[22:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you, pleia2 
[22:20] <charlie-tca> #subtopic [22:20] <charlie-tca> ochosi: Are you here today?
[22:21] <charlie-tca> madnick: we have not given up on the idea of getting lightdm wallpaper changed yet, at least
[22:21] <madnick> good news :)
[22:22] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:22] <charlie-tca>  * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-10-03 at 19:00 UTC
[22:22] <charlie-tca>  * Important dates coming up:
[22:22] <charlie-tca>   * We are now in UI Freeze and Beta2 Freeze; archives will remain frozen until final release.
[22:22] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Final Freeze: September 29
[22:22] <charlie-tca>   * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
[22:23] <charlie-tca>  * We need to update the Team Reports this week.
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Did I miss any announcements?
[22:23] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:23] <charlie-tca> #subtopic Nominations for Xubuntu Project Lead
[22:23] <knome> huh (hey o/)
[22:24] <charlie-tca>  * Nominations for project lead are now open.
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * Those wishing to nominate themselves or others should do so by email to either mailing list, or myself (charlie-tca@ubuntu.com).
[22:24] <charlie-tca>   * Nominations will close October 20, 2011, and the community election will be held at the meeting on October 23, 2011. If there are issues with this, please let us know between now and October 20.
[22:24] <charlie-tca> Hello, knome 
[22:24] <charlie-tca> How goes the website change?
[22:24] <knome> haven't had time to work on it (or any other FOSS project lately), but it's coming along. we have uploads working now, as well as better-looking permalinks
[22:25] <charlie-tca> We have about three weeks to final release of Xubuntu 11.10. Will we make it?
[22:26] <knome> yes, it should be a breeze to switch it to production, as it's only server-internal change now
[22:26] <charlie-tca> Do you need any help? Is there anything anyone can do to make it happen?
[22:27] <knome> i need to go through some content things with pleia2, but other than that, it's just an email to the IS
[22:27] <knome> (or content with you, but i understand pleia2 is more aware of the transition stage of the new site than you are)
[22:28] <charlie-tca> yup
[22:28] <knome> yup
[22:28] <knome> so no specific need on anything right now
[22:28] <charlie-tca> That's great! 
[22:28] <charlie-tca> Thank you for working on it
[22:28] <knome> just need to upload/insert the content and we're ready to go
[22:28] <knome> actually
[22:29] <GridCube> o/
[22:29] <charlie-tca> go ahead, GridCube 
[22:29] <knome> now that i said that, we need at least a small change on the css too, but i'm sure IS can work that out the same time we switch to production
[22:29] <GridCube> oh, I know im being a bother here, but, knome where do you plan to place the top 10? and is it possible to have multiple translations of it enabled?
[22:29] <knome> (it's not more than one-liner, and we can fix the rest later even if it should be more)
[22:30] <knome> GridCube, either a page or a blog-post; translations will be available later
[22:30] <GridCube> :) ok
[22:30] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, IS doesn't need to much time to do things with this. They seem very responsive at this time.
[22:30] <knome> page because then it would be dynamic
[22:30] <knome> but blog-post maybe because it will become outdated anyway
[22:30] <charlie-tca> agreed
[22:30] <knome> but that's not something we need to decide now
[22:31] <knome> with a page, we'd need to find out where to link it from
[22:31] <knome> maybe the footer, or the help page
[22:31] <charlie-tca> if it is blog-post, it will need re-writing on a regular basis. If it is a page, it can be re-written, but it could also be updated easier.
[22:31] <GridCube> we can work on it every cycle, cant we?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> That would be good
[22:31] <knome> if it's a blog-post, we can just post a new one, and leave the old "top 10" to be attached to the release
[22:31] <knome> eg. this one could be namely the "oneiric top 10"
[22:32] <charlie-tca> update with the most asked stuff each release?
[22:32] <knome> then just write a new one for O+1, and if we want, we can link to the old top 10's as well
[22:32] <charlie-tca> I will add it to the release manager notes
[22:32] <GridCube> if things change i guess
[22:32] <knome> charlie-tca, yeah, and it's not a problem even if there was the same questions
[22:32] <knome> we can always attach release-specific stuff into the blog posts
[22:32] <GridCube> oh, screenshots? do you need any?
[22:32] <knome> like, "don't do this"
[22:32] <charlie-tca> right, but if it is in a blog-post, it usually isn't as visible all the time as a separate page
[22:33] <knome> GridCube, you should ask pleia2 
[22:33] <knome> charlie-tca, we can link to blogposts too on the footer, if we want
[22:33] <knome> charlie-tca, in addition to that, it would be visible in the most recent posts area while it's one of the newest posts
[22:33] <charlie-tca> That would work, too
[22:34] <knome> but as i said, we don't need to decide that now
[22:34] <knome> we can decide once we're about to publish it
[22:34] <charlie-tca> I just have issues with blog posts disappearing. I bookmark them when I think it is something I will refer back to, and many of them disappear within three to four months
[22:34] <GridCube> :) its ok i just wanted to bother about that :P
[22:34] <knome> charlie-tca, these won't. that's why we wanted the permalinks
[22:34] <charlie-tca> Thank you for asking, GridCube 
[22:34] <charlie-tca> knome: Thank you for that!
[22:35] <knome> charlie-tca, the link will be something like http://xubuntu.org/posts/2011/10/top-10-for-oneiric (iirc)
[22:35] <knome> charlie-tca, and it will work almost eternally
[22:35] <charlie-tca> Okay, you got that one then
[22:35] <charlie-tca> If it don't disappear, I won't care which way we do it
[22:36] <charlie-tca> #topic [22:36] <charlie-tca> Any one have anything they would like to discuss?
[22:36] <knome> (yup. pages are http://xubuntu.org/page-name, but i don't want to add too much dynamic/outdating stuff there)
[22:36] <charlie-tca> I agree with that. 
[22:36] <madnick> o/
[22:36] <micahg> o/
[22:36] <GridCube> o/
[22:36] <charlie-tca> Too many items would defeat having those available
[22:37] <charlie-tca> madnick: go ahead
[22:37] <madnick> micahg: i want to talk to you after this, if you have time (about blueman)
[22:37] <madnick> sorry for getting offtopic
[22:37] <madnick> ..
[22:38] <charlie-tca> Can't be offtopic here.
[22:38] <charlie-tca> micahg: your turn
[22:38] <micahg> docs need a version bump (s/11.04/11.10), could you handle this mr_pouit ?
[22:39] <micahg> ..
[22:39] <mr_pouit> okay
[22:39] <micahg> thanks
[22:39] <charlie-tca> GridCube: Your turn now
[22:39] <GridCube> ok
[22:39] <GridCube> ;) 
[22:39] <GridCube> i've been working more on my interface
[22:40] <GridCube> madnick, has given me a place on one of his servers
[22:40] <charlie-tca> :)
[22:40] <GridCube> so i can dump my stuff there when we need it
[22:40] <GridCube> it can be configurated easily by an admin
[22:40] <GridCube> and it can be used now, i only have to work on the search engine
[22:41] <charlie-tca> link?
[22:41] <GridCube> it should be ended by this week
[22:41] <GridCube> yes:
[22:41] <charlie-tca> for updating tests?
[22:41] <GridCube> http://gridcube.netii.net/test/XTCv2.html
[22:41] <GridCube> i could use help on making it pretty :P
[22:42] <charlie-tca> I want to make the testers work harder. Please update both google docs and this new test interface this week.
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Let's give it a good workout, so we know for sure it will do what we need.
[22:42] <GridCube> i mean if we ever add it to something like testings.xubuntu.com  it will look out of place
[22:42] <charlie-tca> Yes, well, let's try anyway
[22:43] <GridCube> :D awesome! 
[22:43] <charlie-tca> google docs is out of place too
[22:43] <GridCube> :) 
[22:43] <GridCube> i tried to make it in the same colors that the current page XD but my css is so bad
[22:43] <charlie-tca> madnick: make sure the server is secure. We just made that public
[22:43] <GridCube> oh
[22:43] <GridCube> no, that link is not madnicks
[22:43] <madnick> charlie-tca: its secure :) but thats not mine
[22:43] <charlie-tca> oh-oh
[22:44] <GridCube> i havent send anything there yet
[22:44] <charlie-tca> That link will work to update the tests?
[22:44] <GridCube> i don't want to mess thins up
[22:44] <GridCube> yes
[22:44] <GridCube> it will 
[22:44] <charlie-tca> okay. Let's give it a workout this week then
[22:44] <GridCube> :) 
[22:44] <GridCube> ok
[22:44] <GridCube> if all is okay i will send it to madnick's
[22:44] <charlie-tca> Okay
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Any questions about how to update testing this week?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Any other comments/discussions/anything?
[22:45] <GridCube> Can I propose you to Project Leader charlie-tca? not because you just are the current one, but because i think you are doing a pretty good job at it, and I think that thats good :D
[22:45] <charlie-tca> I do not currently show any nominations for Project Lead
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Yes, you can
[22:46] <GridCube> :D t
[22:46] <GridCube> then i did
[22:46] <charlie-tca> Email it to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, please
[22:46] <GridCube> :) will do
[22:46] <charlie-tca> I have to keep it official for the records
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Anything else?
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Let's make it good week ahead then!
[22:47] <charlie-tca> Thank you all for participating in this meeting. It sure helps keep the project strong to have you here!
[22:48] <charlie-tca> #endmeeting
[22:48] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Sep 25 22:48:06 2011 UTC.  
[22:48] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-09-25-22.00.moin.txt
[22:48] <charlie-tca> micahg and madnick are going to discuss blueman, right?
[22:49] <madnick> Yes I did a quick test, i will test more but:
[22:49] <madnick> blueman works fine, the on in your PPA, except 2 wierd things: the libnotify or similar popup, I was unable to click "accept" there, but it seems it registered that i clicked, but did not go away, also: it showed my device under a wierd name one time, not sure if its the offical name that i got when i clicked "trust"; but it didnt look like it (cant have been anyone elses, i live in the woods)
[22:50] <madnick> I could connect to the internet via my phone
[22:50] <madnick> And I could transfer files etc
[22:53] <micahg> madnick: the problem is that I don't know what "proper" behavior is.  Which version behaves better?
[22:53] <madnick> micahg: i cannot try the experimental stuff (with headset emulation) because i dont have any headphones and its kida late for speaker
[22:53] <madnick> micahg: this one did not crash when i clicked "disable bluetooth"
[22:54] <madnick> i will try more
[22:54] <madnick> i can setup another oneiric machine 
[22:54] <madnick> when is this due?
[22:55] <micahg> madnick: well, final freeze is thursday at 21:00 UTC, I go offline around 23:00 UTC wed until sat night
[22:55] <madnick> okay
[22:55] <madnick> I will try today and tomorrow
[22:56] <micahg> thanks