=== skreech_ is now known as Daskreech [01:08] apachelogger, ping [01:46] apachelogger, do you think we should split plasma-mobile pkg into more pkg? [02:12] apachelogger: No. [05:44] 4.7.1 on 11.04 in use here, all works just fine [07:32] morning [07:51] shadeslayer: around ? do you know who is the rekonq maintainer ? [08:34] ScottK: patches cherry-picked from KDE/4.7 http://paste.kde.org/127333/ (kde-workspace), okay to commit ? [y/n] [08:54] bambee: when you are at kde-workspace, how about adding the fix in bug 855472 [08:54] Launchpad bug 855472 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "[Patch] Fix: inotify_add_watch failed: No such file or directory: " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/855472 [09:02] allee: looks good [09:02] bambee: thx a lot in the name of all command line users ;) [09:03] :) [09:17] Running 11.10 and doing an update wants to uninstall KDM [09:28] mfraz74: tried. does not happen for me [09:30] allee: I must've tried upgrading mid package change as it is working now [10:03] apachelogger: around ? [10:30] bambee and allee: I cherrypicked pretty much everything fr -workspace. [10:30] fr/for [10:30] ScottK: these patches have been committed recently [10:31] Since Friday? [10:32] yes [10:32] http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kde-workspace.git&a=shortlog&h=refs/heads/KDE/4.7 [10:32] 3 commits [10:32] Yep. OK. [11:03] ScottK: also, http://paste.kde.org/127393/ <-- what do you think about this patch ? It fixes a bug with kubuntu-low-fat which exports KDEDIRS from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50lowfat, the problem is starkde overrides KDEDIRS on netbooks, okay to commit it ? [11:03] (I mean, don't you see a problem or something?) [11:04] without this patch kubuntu-low-fat-settings is simply not used on netbooks/smartbooks :) [11:06] Seems OK. I'd check with apachelogger. [11:06] ok [11:06] apachelogger: ping, any suggestions? [11:07] (since you created kubuntu-low-fat-settings...) [11:35] apachelogger: Could you use your famous kde-l10n script to upload all the 4.6.5 translations to natty-proposed closing #859562 in changelog? I'm currently doing the rest of KDE. [11:44] DarkwingDuck: why not? [11:44] rbelem: why not! [11:45] bambee: why not... [11:45] lol [11:46] bambee: so... the problem really is that netbook and mobil set their crap in startkde [11:46] which is really not where it should set it [11:46] and I am not quite sure on the details why it actually does it there [11:46] oh the mobile too, you're right! [11:46] don't know :\ [11:46] try :P [11:47] or/and checkout the changelog of workspace and the settings packages [11:47] oh, for mobile I know the reason [11:47] not that it would make any more sense [11:48] mobile has no dm [11:48] mobile is a param of startkde [11:48] not sure about netbook [11:48] netbook too [11:48] (startkde line 229) [11:48] right on [11:49] I love it [11:49] now this leads to the following question.... [11:49] why arent they simply startplasmanetbook and startplasmamobile [11:49] which setup the env and then fork startkde or something [11:51] you mean startmobilekde ? [11:51] apachelogger, :-D [11:52] bambee: there is no kde [11:52] we start the plasma workspace [11:52] apachelogger: Can you do the kde-l10n for natty-proposed (4.6.5)? [11:52] no need to wrongly name yet another script [11:52] * ScottK is about to upload the rest. [11:52] ScottK: I might [11:52] Please. [11:52] apachelogger: startmobilekde exists... [11:52] depending on hwo people have messed about with the branch [11:52] bambee: wth [11:52] bambee: where? [11:53] bambee, apachelogger, in default settings pkg [11:53] apt-get source kubuntu-mobile-default-settings [11:53] bin/ [11:53] eh [11:53] what does it contain? [11:53] cause plasma-mobile had such a script [11:53] but it was epic crap [11:53] it was not working in the desktop file [11:53] when running startkde mobile [11:54] `startkde mobile` [11:54] what I want is a script that sets up the envrionment for mobile and then forks startkde [11:54] startkubuntu for all I care [11:54] can do mobile, netbook, tablet, whatever [11:54] apachelogger, so we should drop all our changes to startkde? [11:54] pretty much, yeah [11:55] nice :-) [11:55] i like that :-) [11:55] apachelogger: a "low-fat" param would be nice, imho [11:55] "low-fat" or equivalent [11:55] there is no such thing [11:55] low fat is a setting on top of everything else [11:56] it is an implicit option to all our workspaces [11:56] so what startkubuntu would do is.... [11:56] if $1 == mobile [11:56] ... [11:56] elif $1 == tablet [11:56] ... [11:56] elif $1 == netbook [11:56] ... [11:56] fi [11:57] foreach file in /usr/share/kubuntu-session.d/ [11:57] include file [11:57] end [11:57] exec startkde [11:57] apachelogger, how would we set the one that will be loaded? [11:57] rbelem: argument, just like now [11:58] startkubuntu mobile [11:58] startkubuntu tablet [11:58] startkubuntu autodetect? [11:58] apachelogger, but it does not work very well on the desktop file [11:59] apachelogger, i tried that and it does not take parameter there. i dont know why [11:59] dput ubuntu *.changes is so much fun. [11:59] :-D [11:59] yofel: Uploading 4.6.5 for natty-proposed. [11:59] rbelem: maybe you did it wrong :P [11:59] maybe [11:59] rbelem: even so... the solution is to simply have a script per desktop file [12:00] well, so I push changes to kde-workspace without my fix for now -> only the allee's fix and the patches cherry-picked from upstream [12:00] * Riddell hugs apachelogger and ScottK for extending their membership of kubuntu-dev [12:00] they really only need to set one variable (i.e. the mode which is to be started) and then include the genreal logic from another file [12:00] (or simply hold a copy of the foreach for that matter) [12:00] * apachelogger fondles Riddell while hugging back ^^ [12:01] apachelogger, we can make symlinks [12:01] ooh er [12:01] apachelogger, and check the name of the symlink [12:01] rbelem: then you'd still need to identify what type of session to load [12:01] apachelogger, like busybox [12:01] that sounds hackish [12:02] apachelogger, not very much, it is widely used [12:02] in my experience implicit features like that tend ot break easily [12:02] rbelem: that does not mean it is a good idea [12:02] windows is also widely used :P [12:02] hahaha! [12:02] that true [12:02] ScottK: \o/ [12:03] apachelogger, about the active stuff [12:03] apachelogger, can we upload the latest changes? [12:04] ScottK: yofel took away my branch url :( [12:04] apachelogger, but for runtime we need the active-development branch [12:04] huh? [12:04] rbelem: what's the diff between active and 4.7? [12:05] apachelogger, just some active stuff that will enter in 4.7.2 [12:05] why is it not in the 4.7 branch then? [12:05] apachelogger, then we can get the active 1.0 in -updates [12:06] * apachelogger points out that final freeze is around the corner [12:06] apachelogger, they are still working to cleanup i think [12:06] apachelogger, or we should keep that in the ppa? [12:06] bzr push lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-workspace -> "No new revisions to push" o.O [12:07] rbelem: at this point I'd say PPA [12:07] apachelogger, ok [12:07] (yes I've typed "bzr commit") [12:07] rbelem: changing runtime this close to final freeze sounds like a terrible idea to me [12:07] OF COURSE [12:07] apachelogger, then i will ask linaro guys to generate an image with plasma active ppa [12:08] apachelogger, thats true [12:08] it's already pushed... strange :\ [12:08] if you people had listened to me to begin with and not bothered with a dual build but instead just QA'd the soup out of runtime we'd have active in archive now :P [12:08] rbelem: oh, they can make images from PPAs? that sounds awesome \o/ [12:08] apachelogger, but it was really broken [12:08] allee: pushed , thanks for you contribution !!! [12:08] your * [12:08] apachelogger, i think they can [12:08] bambee: don't drink and push [12:08] apachelogger: wtf? [12:09] I am not drunk :P [12:09] yeaaah [12:09] right [12:09] apachelogger, i will ping rsalveti rightt now to confirm that [12:09] awesome [12:09] rbelem++ [12:10] hum... he is not online [12:10] he is! [12:13] apachelogger, the config files that used to be in kubuntu-mobile-default-settings is now provided by upstream [12:14] oh, how did that happen? [12:14] ScottK: 4.6.5 to natty-proposed? [12:14] apachelogger, they put everything in the config dir but they dont install them [12:15] apachelogger, should i create a plasma-mobile-settings? [12:15] I am confused [12:15] rbelem: why? I thought you were going to tweak the settings anyway? [12:15] plus if they are not installed... there is no point to it [12:15] IMHO [12:15] then again I had no coffee yet [12:16] apachelogger, they are ready to use and tweaked [12:16] apachelogger, we just have to install === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:17] apachelogger, they do that in meego pkgs [12:17] \o [12:18] apachelogger, http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=plasma-mobile.git&a=tree&h=33e2aa95f7def06526882a266c27e91d82df6726&hb=d38de2bc55f59cb83ce6127799d20626d4031713&f=config [12:18] * Quintasan goes to eat [12:18] Quintasan, heya [12:18] :-) [12:18] rbelem: those files are rubbish [12:19] [$Version] [12:19] update_info=kded.upd:kde3.0,kwin.upd:kde3.2Xinerama,mouse_cursor_theme.upd:kde3.4.99,kaccel.upd:kde3.3/r1 [12:19] that is so wrong for default settings [12:19] SO WRONG [12:21] apachelogger, so should i copy them to kubuntu-mobile-settings and remove these things? [12:21] apachelogger, or patch them and install to plasma-mobile-settings? [12:21] dpm: could you please drop the templates kipiplugins, kipiplugin_*, desktop_extragear-graphics_kipi-plugins, desktop_extragear-graphics_digikam, desktop_extragear-graphics_digikamimageplugins and digikam from the kde language packs? [12:22] the package has been demoted to universe [12:25] debfx, adding it to my todo list, thanks. Let me get to it this evening. [12:26] rbelem: kubuntu-mobile-settings [12:26] rbelem: IMHO they probably should not be in there [12:27] plus most of them have nothing to do with plasma [12:27] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926122711-prsh1v5xmebbqn3x * debian/ (changelog rules) New stable upstream release [12:27] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926122741-07ru5ve1mi2ush8f * debian/build-l10n.sh change branch path for natty archive [12:28] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926122814-1c9b1spmqlhfzulq * releasing version 4:4.6.5-0ubuntu1 [12:30] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926123016-r5u5vuksk2sr2fx1 * debian/build-l10n.sh actually fix the url proper [12:30] apachelogger: Yes. [12:30] (natty-proposed) [12:31] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926123141-j3jgk7ohfvbaq1h6 * debian/build-l10n.sh ktown->ftpmaster [12:32] * apachelogger blinks [12:32] * apachelogger blinks some more [12:33] ah [12:33] right [12:33] they also changed the path [12:33] epic [12:34] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926123355-9kgrth68lnnckcpb * debian/build-l10n.sh ... [12:35] durrr [12:35] They do not know the dates when one can go to consulate when applying for a visa [12:35] silly people [12:35] told me to call tomorrow or the day after tomorrow [12:46] So ... [12:46] In KDE 4.6 and before (as long as I can remember), I could select text in konsole, click on it and drag it. [12:47] In KDE 4.7 one must ctrl-click to drag. Click just unselects. [12:47] Any idea is there's a setting to fix this usability abomination? [12:47] (alternately - does anyone else have this problem too?) [12:48] Other than that and email being a complete failure, KDE 4.7 seems pretty good. [12:48] * apachelogger ctrl shift c's [12:51] Right, but before one didn't need to do that. [12:51] just double click, click, and drag. [12:51] *shrug* [12:51] maybe #kde knows [12:54] [kde-l10n-common-natty-archive] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926125454-ntpa6oe3slbyipy1 * debian/changelog New stable upstream release (LP: #859562) [12:55] * apachelogger sighs [12:55] Riddell: how can I prevent bzr ci trying to be smarter than me? [13:00] ScottK: Y, same here [13:00] I thought it is just my mouse acting up [13:01] apachelogger: get smarter? what's the problem? [13:04] Riddell: I type bzr ci and when there was a change in debian/changelog it uses whatever changed in changelog as commit message [13:04] apachelogger: sounds like a useful feature to me, it's intended to mirror debcommit. what's the problem with it? [13:04] which for example int he commit from above was rubbish as I only added the bug number, which would be good to mention as such and not restating a message that was already mentioned in a commit with a bug number [13:05] apachelogger: bzr uncommit; bzr commit -m "my commit message" [13:05] PITA alert :( [13:06] apachelogger: long [13:06] *pong [13:06] apachelogger: what's the PITB? using -m ? [13:06] Riddell: I am not on windows and thus have useful editors + I might want to have a long commit message [13:06] with newlines and all that [13:07] NCommander: what is a spice seed and why do we need to talk about it? [13:07] apachelogger: BZR_DISABLE_PLUGINS=builddeb bzr commit [13:07] Riddell: then I cannot use bzr builddeb [13:08] apachelogger: well aye, you've just been complaining about its behaviour [13:09] I want to build a deb from bzr [13:09] what I do not want is it making commit messages for me [13:11] rbelem: do you know whether we can a PPA ISO yet? [13:13] apachelogger: then in bzr-builddeb's __init__.py file remove the block "if bzrlib.version_info[0] >= 2 and bzrlib.version_info[1] >= 4:" [13:13] I guess I'll look into adding a config option for that [13:13] Riddell: that would be great, thanks [13:15] rbelem: arent the settings in config/ mostly relevant to tablet? :O [13:19] [kubuntu-tablet-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926131857-4jj94kmc6beluef9 * share/autostart/plasma-device.desktop upstream decided to rename the binary again \o/ plasma-tablet -> plasma-device [13:20] [kubuntu-tablet-settings] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926132028-s4dc1wq98spvw5g7 * share/config/kcminputrc set blank mouse cursor theme [13:27] brr the debug installer needs some redesign [13:28] Quintasan: We need to find where this came from and kill it. [13:35] [kubuntu-debug-installer] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20110926133514-wfvszxpabx0s2zuh * (debian/changelog debian/control src/DebugInstaller.cpp) (log message trimmed) [13:35] * When called with no arguments terminate right away in the DebugInstaller ctor, [13:35] otherwise event processing would continue through run() and show() causing a [13:36] ScottK: kubuntu-debug-installer should appear in queue soonish [13:36] OK. [13:36] fixes a crash when called without args [13:36] K. [13:36] yofel: Would you please make #859562 affect all the relevant packages (and don't forget meta-kde and oxygen-icons...) [13:41] ScottK: l10n uploaded started [13:44] apachelogger: Thanks. [14:26] rbelem: I think the kactivitymanager stuff has a packaging issue [14:26] I seem to be missing the desktop file :O [14:33] apachelogger, yup [14:34] apachelogger, it was move from kdelibs to kactivities [14:35] *moved [14:35] apachelogger, i have mode some changes that i will upload to ppa soon [14:36] apachelogger, and more new packages [14:38] rbelem: yay [15:04] ScottK: could you approve the ffe in bug 859706 ? [15:04] Launchpad bug 859706 in Ubuntu "Feature Freeze Exception for libmygpo-qt 1.0.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/859706 [15:06] bambee: I don't have time to do the archive admin stuff, so if you can find someone, like maybe Riddell_, then I'll approve it. [15:06] ok [15:06] hi [15:06] hi [15:07] dear kubuntudevs, may I remind you that there still is no announcement for the amarok 2.4.3 packages which are available for both Natty and Oneiric... [15:07] 3rd reminder by now I think [15:07] ryanakca: ^^^ [15:12] bambee: why "Add libmygpo-qt-dbg and change debian/rules accordingly" ? [15:12] anybody else wanting to do that Amarok announcement can get acccess details from me === Riddell_ is now known as Riddell [15:13] Riddell: because there was no debugging package... [15:14] I was wrong ? [15:14] bambee: all ubuntu packages have debugging packages automatically made, there's no need to manually add one. and since we're past beta now isn't the time to be adding new .debs without good reason [15:14] good to know ^^ [15:14] ok [15:15] I will revert my changes [15:15] Mamarok: Aye, lemme find out what happend to the admin interface's SSL certs, Konqueror is going beserk about them, which means I can't access the site. [15:16] bambee: FFe approved, there's not much new features in it [15:17] ok thanks [15:18] fixed [15:19] Mamarok: Do you have an announcement written up? Screenshots? [15:19] rbelem: ping [15:21] ryanakca: you can use the screenshot from amarok.kde.org [15:23] and there is not much text needed, similar to http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-241-resolution-released [15:24] mohahahaha my ac100 works so fine on kubuntu... :D [15:25] OK, so kmail2 ... [15:25] It looks like I got stuff working. [15:26] If I delete a message, it momentarily moves to the next message in the list as I expect, then redraws the message list and jumps to some other message. [15:26] Anyone else see this? [15:40] 4.6.5 is accepted into natty-proposed, so we'll need that tested ... [15:41] yofel: ^^^ Thanks for all the help. [16:27] ScottK: I will test it right now on my eepc :) [16:29] bambee: It'll take a while for them to build. [16:30] oh I thought these was already built, ok I will test later then [16:31] Hello [16:32] http://www.ohloh.net/p/quassel fixed in Oneiric. Great works. [16:35] Sput: my project is still worth 2 quassel :P [16:35] * apachelogger find ohohohoholol fun [16:47] err [16:47] No tab completition for Konsole. [16:50] apachelogger: ugh, long story [16:53] pythonsnake: Tab completion here. [16:53] it has [16:53] unless you install bashcompletion [16:53] in which case it does not [16:54] click/select is still broken with no obvious suspects in the git log about what broke it. [16:56] ScottK: report a bug or mail kde-devel, IIRC konsole upstream is very repsonsive [16:56] OK. [16:56] I was trying to figure out if it was a "feature" or not. [16:57] I got some issues for upgrading caused by flashplugin-installer [16:57] http://pastie.org/private/qx4zgaznikhhnjsmouacaa <- more info there. [16:58] #Skipped the beginning of apt-get upgrade (no errors) [16:58] that is wrong [16:58] apachelogger: :S [16:59] NCommander: is there documentation on spice seeds somewhere? [16:59] I don't notice any errors. It's like everyday. [16:59] mind me, I was too lazy to ask google :P [16:59] apachelogger: thats a poke persia/infinity question [17:00] * apachelogger needs to write a bot to do that [17:00] apachelogger: E: Unable to locate package bashcompletion [17:01] it might have another name [17:04] apachelogger: what is it ? [17:04] a spaceship [17:05] * apachelogger has no idea what we are talking about just now [17:05] lol [17:05] yofel: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active [17:05] bash-completion package doesn't help.. [17:06] can you please make kubuntu-members member? [17:06] and transfer owernship to the mighty council [17:08] What is this channel exactly for ? [17:08] Topic doesn't say much.. [17:09] what the name of the channel suggests [17:09] development ? [17:10] bingo [17:11] I meant for reporting bugs, devs communicate ..etc ? [17:12] bugs go on bugs.launchpad.net, unless they are bugs in upstream KDE software in which case they go to bugs.kde.org [17:12] no rgreening? did he stop hanging out here? [17:12] bambee: no idea, but i might be able to help [17:13] Hmm. Tab completion works if no sudo is before the command.. strange.. [17:15] Found it. [17:15] http://websvn.kde.org/?revision=1211082&view=revision [17:15] pythonsnake: maybe its not in root's path? [17:15] It was on purpose. [17:16] How to put it in root path ? [17:17] Let me reboot. New kernel. [17:19] apachelogger: This was the change: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/apps/konsole/src/TerminalDisplay.cpp?r1=1211082&r2=1211081&pathrev=1211082 [17:19] How hard would it be to make that run time configurable? [17:20] * apachelogger hates websvn diff [17:20] huh, that class is epic [17:20] ScottK: not much [17:20] Not so much hard or not so much possible? [17:21] hard [17:21] Done. [17:21] Policy Kit crashed on shut down [17:22] sending you a report :-) [17:22] I have 2 kcrash [17:23] * apachelogger tickles yofel with a long fluffy stick [17:23] http://pastie.org/private/qqc2yitrcnlud6ekr5gla [17:24] uh [17:24] pythonsnake: that really doesn't tell us anything :P [17:24] apachelogger: OK. Thanks. Ironically the bug report was for "Please make it configurable", but the maintainer decided no one could possibly want it the way it was. [17:24] http://pastie.org/private/xem3nhrfweycfdxbpxcoq [17:24] That one does ScottK [17:24] That one does shadeslayer [17:24] looking [17:24] So I just asked in the bug, please do what the bug asked ... [17:24] pythonsnake: might be related to a bug in buzilla, lemme see [17:25] Uploaded report [17:25] cough [17:25] man [17:25] drinking is dangerous [17:25] phew [17:25] ? [17:26] apachelogger: kubuntu-active re-owned [17:26] How to get bash completion with sudo ? [17:26] pythonsnake: might be related to kde bug 258916 , please check [17:26] pythonsnake: this aint a support channel [17:26] KDE bug 258916 in polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 "PolicyKit1-KDE (polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1) crash on shutdown [g_type_check_instance_is_a, g_object_unref, , PolkitQt1::Agent::Session::Private::~Private]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258916 [17:26] yofel: thank you yofi :* [17:26] heh [17:27] yofel: have you had the time to look at our poll? [17:27] shadeslayer: no [17:27] :( [17:27] yofel: i'll be publishing it tomorrow, so please add anything that needs adding [17:28]