[12:19] <gary_poster> whee! 1 weekend = 742 emails...
[12:28] <gary_poster> aloha and welcome to Monday
[12:29] <gary_poster> bac benji danilos gmb, call in 2 (yes, gimme an extra minute)
[12:29] <gmb> ok
[12:29] <danilos> aloha :)
[12:31] <bac> ok
[12:44]  * gmb -> late lunch
[12:51] <gary_poster> kids -> school
[14:00] <gary_poster> gmb, I'm just starting reading your LEP.  I think sometimes there are two useful sorts of feedback (along one axis): feedback when someone is reading something for the very first time, and feedback after they have thought about it.  The first can give you ideas on how to make the information more accessible, and the second actually gives thoughtful feedback on the ideas contained.  So, I'm immediately ready to give
[14:00] <gary_poster> Would you like me to enter it here as I go, or in an email, or at the bottom of the LEP, or some other way?
[14:01] <gmb> gary_poster: Email or at the bottom of the LEP is fine; I'm trying to get my head around the upload stuff at the moment and could do without the interruptions for a wee while.
[14:01] <gary_poster> cool, gmb will do
[15:12] <gary_poster> gmb, thank you for the LEP.  my comments/thoughts got long :-P .  I put them on a separate page. No rush for a reply for me--getting back to other things now. :-) https://dev.launchpad.net/LEP/BugRelationships/GaryComments
[15:13] <gmb> gary_poster: Okay, thanks.
[15:13] <gary_poster> welcome
[17:44]  * gary_poster has now done pretty much everything he can do before working on the bug he has no motivation for :-P
[17:44] <gary_poster> procrastination time is over...
[17:48] <bac> hi gary_poster, want a diversion?
[17:49] <gary_poster> ooh, bac!  yes!
[17:49] <bac> skype?
[17:49] <gary_poster> :-) sure, call when ready
[17:50] <bac> gary_poster: skype crashed
[17:50] <bac> trying again
[17:50] <gary_poster> ok
[17:51] <bac> https://pastebin.canonical.com/53395/
[18:33] <bac> benji, gary_poster: either of you updated your tree lately?  the addition of txlongpoll is breaking mine
[18:34] <gary_poster> bac, I did last week, and I think txlongpoll was in it then.  Can try again now...
[18:34] <benji> bac: I haven't.  And now I'm scared to. ;)
[18:34] <bac> yeah, be scared.  :)
[18:34] <gary_poster> bac, what's your symptom?
[18:34] <bac> i only did to get gary's new storm recorder
[18:35] <bac> gary_poster: make build failes on installing txlongpoll
[18:35] <bac> from bin/buildout
[18:35] <bac> Installing txlongpoll.
[18:36] <bac> While:
[18:36] <bac>   Installing txlongpoll.
[18:36] <bac>   Getting distribution for 'oops-twisted'.
[18:36] <bac> Error: Picked: oops-twisted = 0.0.1
[18:36] <gary_poster> bac, hm.  updating now
[18:36]  * bac flashback to friday, writ large
[18:38] <gary_poster> bac, duplicated.  investigating
[18:38] <bac> oops_twisted-0.0.1.tar.gz is in download-cache/dist
[18:38] <gary_poster> bac, the good news is that it should be easy to fix.  versions.cfg is missing.  The bad news is that this should never have happened
[18:39] <gary_poster> our landing machinery should have caught ths
[18:39]  * gary_poster will try to fix
[18:40] <bac> i recall txlongpoll had a versions.cfg last week.  it was testresources that was ugly
[18:40] <gary_poster> bac, yeah, simple fix
[18:40] <gary_poster> it is still building...
[18:40] <gary_poster> other stuff
[18:40] <gary_poster> will get you diff
[18:40] <bac> thanks
[18:41]  * bac brb
[18:44] <gary_poster> trying to land testfix.  Bah
[18:44] <gary_poster> conflicts in work I was in middle of
[18:58] <gary_poster> bac, fwiw, I'm landing testfix via lp-land...
[18:58] <gary_poster> ...succeeded
[18:58] <bac> gary_poster: cool.  to the txlongpoll package or lp?
[18:58] <gary_poster> bac, so just bzr pull and should work
[18:59] <gary_poster> bzr lp
[18:59] <gary_poster> I mean, bac, lp
[18:59] <bac> thanks!
[18:59] <gary_poster> welcome
[20:09] <bac> gary_poster: your statement recorder suggestion is great.  i've discovered this offensive action:
[20:09] <bac> 'UPDATE BugTask SET status=10 WHERE BugTask.id = 38'
[20:09] <gary_poster> bac, cool!  What is triggering that?
[20:09] <bac> sadly, the traceback only points to the line of the flush() so i'm still searching
[20:09] <gary_poster> oh, suck
[20:09] <bac> yeah
[20:09] <gary_poster> hm
[20:09]  * bac wishes for a 'watch' command in pdb
[20:10] <gary_poster> bac, what flush is this?
[20:10] <bac> the one at the bottom of bugtaskset:createTask
[20:42] <benji> bac: I haven't used it, but http://pypi.python.org/pypi/pdbpp has a watch command ("display" is their spelling)
[20:42] <bac> benji: great, i'll have a look
[20:47] <bac> @break_on_setattr('bar')  <-- Nice!
[20:50] <gary_poster> bye
[21:01] <benji> that is nice