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| i-node | helo | 04:03 |
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| i-node | hello* | 04:03 |
| twb | Does qemu-system-arm work *at all* on lucid? | 06:41 |
| twb | Hm, same behaviour on sid | 06:51 |
| twb | I give up, qemu-system-arm won't work for me on lucid, and the only non-lucid host I have, is a shitty little Atom netbook (where it works, but unbearably slowly) | 07:30 |
| twb | I will just reflash the TF101 again with ubuntu so that I have something to actually do compiles on | 07:30 |
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| MMlosh | Grr.. the Oneiric kernel froze again.. (pandaboard with 2 DVB-T tuners atached) | 17:36 |
| Daviey | janimo: Hey! Can you confirm the bump is correct on linux-ac100? | 19:26 |
| Daviey | New package: linux-ac100 (universe) [2.6.38-1.3 → 2.6.38-1000.1] | 19:26 |
| janimo | Daviey, yes | 19:26 |
| Daviey | janimo: What is the reasoning? | 19:26 |
| janimo | I am about to upload the linux-meta-ac100 so it is in universe by tomorrow | 19:26 |
| janimo | Daviey, I started with a new packaing using git | 19:27 |
| janimo | and followed a tutorial and existing ubuntu/linaro numbering convention | 19:27 |
| janimo | probably not needed in this case but I played it safe | 19:27 |
| Daviey | janimo: I don't follow? Where does it state jump to 1000? | 19:27 |
| janimo | being my first time packaging a kernel by lots of trial and error eve | 19:27 |
| janimo | Daviey, it doe snot, the linaro template I started with uses 1000.0 | 19:28 |
| janimo | and all linaro kernels use such large abi numbers afaik | 19:28 |
| janimo | omap 1200, landing team ones 1400 etc | 19:28 |
| Daviey | seems odd, but ok | 19:29 |
| Daviey | infinity: ^^ | 19:29 |
| janimo | Daviey, tbh it seemed odd to me too, but if I were to question or dig into everything that seems odd to me in kernel packaging it would take me a lot more to get something ready | 19:30 |
| janimo | not one of the tutorials were 100% correct or covered the various cases, jcrigby's one is the closest and best yet | 19:31 |
| janimo | Daviey, at leats this package is now maintained in git and more or less in sync with how the kernel team and linaro manage their kernels | 19:32 |
| infinity | That works for me. | 19:32 |
| Daviey | janimo: heh, it's a black art that i don't understand either... The changelog generation blows me :) | 19:32 |
| janimo | I even plan to upload it to the kernel repos so it is not only on my disk | 19:32 |
| janimo | Daviey, I thought I understood everything about the changelog, when an innocent change in it (well version number addition _before_ the last one) tripped the ABI checker | 19:33 |
| infinity | Would it surprise you to know that most of the kernel team doesn't know how the packages are built either? ;) | 19:33 |
| infinity | A lot of that stuff is from BenC and I fiddling years ago. | 19:33 |
| janimo | at which point I deferred work to next morning being an unexpected error after I thought I had ironed out all issues and built the package a few times already | 19:33 |
| janimo | so I try to touch as little as possible | 19:33 |
| infinity | The fact that it's survived is a testament to opaque code that no one wants to touch. | 19:33 |
| Daviey | heh | 19:33 |
| janimo | and learn more as I upload new revisions | 19:33 |
| janimo | infinity, that would not surprise me in the least actually | 19:34 |
| infinity | janimo: To fully understand it, you have to first understand Ben Collins. After rooming with him at many conferences, I don't recommend it. | 19:34 |
| janimo | and also it does not scale well | 19:35 |
| janimo | would need many many conferences or very large rooms | 19:35 |
| infinity | (That's not to say that I have anything against the guy, we're great friends, just warning that insanity may ensue) | 19:35 |
| Daviey | infinity: I think you might want to room with lag. | 19:36 |
| infinity | I don't need to corrupt any more Canonical employees, past, future, or present. | 19:36 |
| infinity | For the good of the company, I should probably always room alone. :P | 19:37 |
| Daviey | heh | 19:38 |
| janimo | infinity, how selfless, you are. | 19:38 |
| Daviey | infinity: I was more worried he'd corrupt you. :) | 19:38 |
| infinity | Seems unlikely. | 19:38 |
| infinity | But I'm always willing to be surprised. | 19:38 |
| infinity | jcrigby: LINARO: always build debug packages | 19:39 |
| infinity | jcrigby: ^-- From your recent uploads. Don't we have that turned off for distro kernels (to avoid duplication of massive packages between -dbg and .ddeb)? | 19:40 |
| jcrigby | crap | 19:40 |
| jcrigby | that was a change for linaro ppa | 19:41 |
| infinity | I figured. | 19:41 |
| jcrigby | because we wanted the debug stuff | 19:41 |
| jcrigby | infinity, ok educate me | 19:41 |
| infinity | Because PPAs don't do ddebs, yes. Longstanding feature request for that in LP. :P | 19:41 |
| jcrigby | so my fix didn't fix because it still goes to ddeb | 19:41 |
| jcrigby | it just always does it | 19:42 |
| infinity | Oh, in which case, these are fine for the primary archive. ;) | 19:42 |
| jcrigby | right | 19:42 |
| infinity | And you still need a better fix for your PPA, I guess. | 19:42 |
| jcrigby | so two wrongs make a right | 19:42 |
| jcrigby | yes, I need to not do the rename to ddeb | 19:42 |
| jcrigby | in ppa | 19:42 |
| jcrigby | so the debug stuff will just stick around like a normal deb | 19:43 |
| infinity | You can cheat and use archive_purpose to conditionally rename. | 19:43 |
| infinity | I'm a bit shocked the default templates don't do that. | 19:43 |
| jcrigby | you can tell me what the current stuff does | 19:43 |
| jcrigby | it looks in / for some file | 19:44 |
| jcrigby | let me look | 19:44 |
| infinity | /CurrentlyBuilding | 19:44 |
| jcrigby | yes | 19:44 |
| jcrigby | and uses that to decide if it is a local developer build or an archive build | 19:44 |
| jcrigby | if that file exists it sets fullbuild or somesuch | 19:45 |
| infinity | Kay, but if you check the value of it, you can get more in-depth. | 19:45 |
| jcrigby | then later do_debug get set or not based on full_build | 19:45 |
| janimo | infinity, jcrigby a meta package should just need a changelog bump and debian/rules will DTRT on build? | 19:46 |
| infinity | janimo: Depends on the meta source. But that's how most work. | 19:46 |
| janimo | ok, this is ogra's ac100 meta. Should work as it has no magic besides the debian/ dir in it | 19:47 |
| infinity | jcrigby: You can see in build logs that Purpose is actually set to a value in that file. | 19:47 |
| jcrigby | ok so packages are ok except for crappy short changelog | 19:47 |
| infinity | jcrigby: (Check the sbuild call for '--purpose=' | 19:47 |
| infinity | jcrigby: For instance for primary archive, it's --purpose=PRIMARY | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | ahh | 19:48 |
| janimo | infinity, linux-meta-ac100 uploaded, fingers crossed, etc | 19:48 |
| infinity | jcrigby: For PPAs, it should be PPA, but double-check one of your build logs. :P | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | wow, I need to hang out with infinity for a week of intense training | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | ok, I'll do that | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | infinity, is this documented anywhere? | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | or just in package masters heads? | 19:48 |
| infinity | jcrigby: *mumbles something about the launchpad source code* | 19:48 |
| jcrigby | :) | 19:49 |
| infinity | jcrigby: I'd be willing to bet that about 5 people know how this works, and 2 don't work here anymore. | 19:49 |
| infinity | jcrigby / janimo : Kernels all accepted, after some very generous review. May $diety have mercy on your souls if they all break. :P | 19:54 |
| * infinity really goes to find food this time. | 19:55 | |
| janimo | infinity, thanks | 19:56 |
| infinity | jcrigby: Even for subarches like this where we're not building official images, it would be swell if, next cycle, you keep slightly more in sync. Diffs that large a 2 weeks before RC are a bit scary. | 19:57 |
| infinity | s/a 2/2/ | 19:58 |
| jcrigby | I agree | 19:59 |
| jcrigby | I need to make the ubuntu upload part of my normal workflow even though we (linaro) consume kernels from ppa | 20:00 |
| infinity | Certainly until we hit kernel freeze, anyway. | 20:04 |
| infinity | Then you need to get picky and potentially fork. | 20:04 |
| jcrigby | infinity, are you back from lunch | 20:29 |
| jcrigby | ? | 20:29 |
| infinity | jcrigby: I keep forgetting to start lunch. | 20:30 |
| infinity | jcrigby: 'sup? | 20:30 |
| jcrigby | so did I understand that I can look inside /currentlywhatever to figure out if I am ppa or normal or ... | 20:31 |
| infinity | jcrigby: Yup. | 20:31 |
| infinity | jcrigby: "Purpose: PPA" or "Purpose: PRIMARY" for PPA versus primary archive. There are a few other possible values (PARTNER, etc), but those are probably the only two you care about. | 20:32 |
| infinity | jcrigby: And no /CurrentlyBuilding at all can generally be assumed to be "user machine, or non-LP buildd". | 20:32 |
| jcrigby | ok those two are all I need, thanks | 20:32 |
| jcrigby | right | 20:32 |
| jcrigby | thanks, I now need to go fix debug for ppa again | 20:32 |
| jcrigby | but conditionaly so i don't break primary | 20:33 |
| infinity | If and when we get around to merging the archive sbuild and the buildd sbuild, this might become more easily testable. | 20:33 |
| jcrigby | sure | 20:33 |
| infinity | And someone should probably hack up some CurrentlyBuilding support into pbuilder for similar "pretend I'm a buildd" testing reasons. | 20:34 |
| Daviey | infinity: I started doing that for sbuild | 20:34 |
| infinity | The upshot of that is that it would de-facto document it all. | 20:34 |
| infinity | Daviey: You're not the only one. :P | 20:35 |
| Daviey | infinity: CurrentlyBuilding support requires to know the component, which means it is network bound - or you have to delcare it at spawn, i guess? | 20:35 |
| infinity | Daviey: On the buildds, it's declared when you start the job. | 20:35 |
| infinity | Daviey: --component=foo --purpose=bar | 20:36 |
| Daviey | yeah, but launchpad is lucky enough to know the compoent. | 20:36 |
| Daviey | :) | 20:36 |
| * Daviey looks up what a compoent is | 20:36 | |
| infinity | Daviey: That's more than enough to get people to be able to match the archive behaviour for reproducibility. | 20:36 |
| infinity | Daviey: I'd argue that if you don't know what component your source package is in, you probably shouldn't be uploading it. :P | 20:37 |
| Daviey | infinity: Incidently, i came acorss a package which built fine in pbuilder and sbuild, but failed on the buildd's. Grabbing the LP chroot, and throwing it into pbuilder allowed me to debug it | 20:37 |
| Daviey | infinity: Well, my usecase was automated builds.. so thar! :) | 20:38 |
| infinity | Daviey: Yeah, for doing automated rebuilds or something, you could still cheat with the apt Sources.gz and grep-dctrl or some such. | 20:38 |
| infinity | Daviey: It wouldn't be up-to-the-minute accurate, but close enough. | 20:38 |
| infinity | But you'd want that sort of logic in a wrapper, not in pbuilder/sbuild themselves. | 20:39 |
| infinity | pbuilder and sbuild should just trust user input. | 20:39 |
| infinity | Not be clever. | 20:39 |
| Daviey | Oh aye.. that is what i was doing | 20:40 |
| Daviey | infinity: Incidently, i'd like to steal LP's Architecture: $target handling.. Need to see if/how that is exposed via API. | 20:41 |
| infinity | Hrm? | 20:42 |
| infinity | Not sure I know which Arch handling you're referring to. | 20:43 |
| infinity | You mean the part where it selects arch_indep for i386, and passes '-A' to sbuild? | 20:44 |
| infinity | If so, that's exposed via the API. See is_nominated_arch_indep at https://api.launchpad.net/devel/ubuntu/oneiric/i386 | 20:47 |
| infinity | Daviey: Was that what you were driving at? ---^ | 20:47 |
| * infinity lunches for real this time. Honest. | 20:49 | |
| Daviey | infinity: Well that yes, but also processing of linux-any, and the others | 20:59 |
| Daviey | Although, not really an sbuild issue itself. | 20:59 |
| Daviey | for each package | 21:00 |
| infinity | Daviey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/463055/ <-- The patch that was applied to lp-buildd's sbuild to handle linux-any. | 21:03 |
| infinity | Though, I'd assume the distro sbuild does the right thing anyway. | 21:03 |
| Daviey | ah, nice | 21:05 |
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