[01:30] <xannen> Morning!
[06:39] <sagaci> 2 hours later, ultimate usb to try out with ubuntu
[06:41] <head_victim> sagaci: why 2 hours?
[06:41] <sagaci> that was spent in the telstra shop
[06:42] <head_victim> Oh wow. The only time I even go to one is for my parents and usually they're the reason it takes so long.
[06:42] <sagaci> I was a patient kind of a customer, let them help out some other guy purchasing a yagi antenna which they had absolutely no idea
[06:43] <head_victim> Hah yeah they don't really have a clue there, the telstra shops are only retail so all account changes and stuff they have to call up the centres themselves.
[06:43] <sagaci> yeah, no idea with this one, so I played dumb
[06:44] <sagaci> plugging into windows 7 now to check for firmware updates before I try with ubuntu
[06:53] <sagaci> meh, have to wait a while for it to be activated
[06:53] <sagaci> should be awesome in sydney though
[06:54] <head_victim> Ah you not paying for it yet?
[06:54] <head_victim> You can activate online or via phone usually
[06:54] <sagaci> nah I activated it in store
[06:54] <sagaci> just tried to sign into my bigpond but it says it's still in progess :/
[06:55] <sagaci> so much for "take your laptop and be activated" or whatever slogan they're using now
[06:55] <head_victim> Ah that's odd. I'm always just adding stuff to existing accounts though so maybe that makes it different
[06:55] <sagaci> nah, I only wanted standalone for 12 months
[06:56] <sagaci> to test reception, etc... I know it's a bit of an expensive way to do it but I'd rather not be tied to a 24-month contract with a bad service
[06:56] <head_victim> Fair call, I looked around at prepaid and decided a home network gateway for 10 bucks a month that I can up to higher plans when needed suited me better. Now I have backup at home when I need it.
[06:56] <sagaci> yeah, bigpond was the only choice for unmetered
[06:56] <head_victim> The 240 I spend on the 10/month was given back to me in credit for the home network gateway anyway
[06:56] <sagaci> I could have gone with 7GB with a business telstra plan but no unmetered
[06:57] <head_victim> Oh make sure you use the aarnet repos, they're still unmetered on wireless.
[06:57] <sagaci> yeah, that's my motivation for wireless/bigpond :P
[06:57] <head_victim> I've put over 100GB through a 400MB plan just to make sure it was unmetered ;)
[06:57] <sagaci> I was going to go with internode again but the startup costs were just as dear
[06:58] <sagaci> it's just handy having it unmetered when you've borked a system or simply want to reinstall and not have to worry about using up fuel
[06:58] <head_victim> I've found with telstra if you're buying multiple products it's just as cheap as anywhere else anyway. Not sure I'd agree if I only wanted 1 thing thouhg.
[06:58] <head_victim> Do what I do, keep a local mirror from aarnet so you have offline access as well ;)
[06:58] <sagaci> have you got 3G wireless?
[06:58] <head_victim> I do, but my main connection is cable.
[06:59] <sagaci> what dongle do you use
[06:59] <head_victim> Don't, I use a home network gateway. It has a 4 port switch and wlan as well.
[06:59] <head_victim> External antenna if required, basically a standalone router.
[07:00] <head_victim> I have it plugged into my wan2 port on my home router as a failover if needed.
[07:01] <sagaci> so you can only use it around the house, yeah?
[07:01] <head_victim> Anywhere that has external power.
[07:02] <sagaci> ah yep
[07:03] <head_victim> http://go.bigpond.com/wireless/
[07:03] <head_victim> I have the bigpond elite network gateway
[07:03] <head_victim> To be honest, if I wanted one just for me I'd probably just use my mobile was a 3g hotspot.
[07:04] <sagaci> yeah, I love my fixed connection
[07:05] <head_victim> Our use case for wireless is when we go away on holidays for a couple of weeks, it's nice to be able to both plug in laptops and do what we want without waiting for one another of having to buy 2 accounts/dongles.
[07:05] <sagaci> does it get a decent signal
[07:05] <head_victim> Good enough, my dad bought an omni antenna for his around the country trip and had no issues when he needed it.
[07:06] <head_victim> I've only ever really used it a couple of times at home and I usually get better upload than my cable.
[07:13] <xannen> Hey do you guys know anything about 4G?  I know that vividi?? and telstra is rolling it out.
[07:13] <head_victim> It's just the next step in wireless.
[07:14] <xannen> I understand that.  I think Vivid has it in operation, 'cause they have prices etc...  And telstra is still in testing phase.
[07:16] <xannen> http://www.vividwireless.com.au/home
[07:18] <head_victim> Depends on what you call 4g as well, there are a few different things people talk about when referring to "4g"
[07:19] <head_victim> WiMax, LTE, HSPA+, etc.
[07:21] <xannen> I know... lol damn techno stuff
[07:22] <xannen> What would you consider as 4g, head_victim?
[07:22] <head_victim> 4G is a standard, not a technology ;)
[07:24] <head_victim> I'll be waiting 12 months or so after it's available to get it mind you. I'm a slow adapter due to price constraints.
[07:25] <xannen> me too  lol
[07:25] <head_victim> I'm the sort of person that researches the "free" phones they offer on plans and picks the best of them. If it costs me more I'm not interested.
[07:27] <xannen> i like buy phone and go on prepaid :D
[07:27] <head_victim> I don't see the point, prepaid would cost me similar to what I'm on now. But everyone uses different amounts I guess.
[07:28] <xannen> i try to buy cheapest from overseas for phone usually. :D
[10:28] <sagaci> head_victim, ping
[10:35] <head_victim> sagaci: pong
[10:36] <sagaci> is there a way to control what goes on the planet feed by tags or something, since I realise that stuff that I post may not be in the interest of some readers
[10:37] <head_victim> Ah yeah, you have to use the feed to control it
[10:37] <head_victim> But that being said, the planet isn't strictly on topic either
[10:38] <sagaci> hmm ok
[10:52] <gorilla> sagaci: don't worry about that too much. It's the nature of planet feeds. 
[10:55] <sagaci> head_victim, http://www.whereis.com/?id=5C5DFD02C2DB3, the end point being the current location for the syd release party... do you think that the other "ampersand" venue would be better?
[10:58] <sagaci> I'm just thinking in reference to public transport.. however I'm also thinking it's too late to change and besides, it's not that much of a change to encourage people to come along
[11:06] <head_victim> Hmm, I only get a map of Australia with that link
[11:08] <sagaci> nvm
[11:09] <sagaci> I'll stick with the original since I've got potentially 3 registered in attending
[11:09] <head_victim> I'll dent/tweet about them this week as well
[11:11] <sagaci> righteo, I might be on later
[13:03] <head_victim> Hmm topic is too big as it is
[13:03] <head_victim> Well, just soy ou all know, we're official again!.
[13:43] <sagaci> thanks for the email
[13:43] <sagaci> holy sh...
[13:44] <sagaci> good news
[13:46] <head_victim> Long time coming but worth it
[13:52] <jargonfactory> congrats fellas oh and hai
[13:52] <jargonfactory> \o.
[13:53] <sagaci> hi jargonfactory 
[14:02] <xannen> hi sagaci, head_victim, gorilla, and friends :D
[14:02] <sagaci> hi xannen 
[14:02] <head_victim> Evening
[14:02] <head_victim> I really should be asleep by now :/
[14:03] <head_victim> On that note, I shall trundle off to bed. Night all.
[14:03] <xannen> Go knock yourself then.  Or can I do it.  :D
[14:03] <jargonfactory> later
[14:04] <head_victim> I was just about to go to bed when I was told we were approved again so I just had to tweet/dent/email/forum/fb/etc it
[14:04] <jargonfactory> heh
[14:05] <xannen> lol socmed
[14:21] <sagaci> dpkg, dpkg-dev, dselect, apt-all, libapt-pkg, xkeyboard-config, shared-mime-info and e2fsprogs
[14:21] <sagaci> to be done by thursday
[15:10] <xannen> sleeping yet?
[15:12] <sagaci> about to
[19:49] <xannen> Morning