[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <Rhonda> duh?  bug #850347
[08:02] <geser> went something wrong in this bug?
[08:05] <Rhonda> Yes, the usual issue, non-communication.   %-/
[08:12] <Rhonda> geser: My comment should be in there already.
[08:14] <geser> Rhonda: saw it right now, looks like dtchen forgot to check other open bugs while working on the FTBFS. And unless you follow oneiric-changes there is no way to get notified about uploads
[08:14] <Rhonda> geser: I like to differ, the PTS does/should mail out changes.
[08:14] <Rhonda> I receive one for every irssi upload, and I received the mail for doko's upload. No clue why I didn't receive one for david's …
[08:15] <geser> ah, I didn't know Debian's PTS can do it, LP can't (unless I missed something)
[08:15] <Rhonda> And a "no way to get notified" is worrying to say the least, but I know the background why package maintainers aren't notified by default
[08:16] <Rhonda> that is, Debian package maintainers :)
[08:23] <Rhonda> But at least the multiarch patch could have been put into the BTS.
[08:49] <Rhonda> I wonder why this multiarch path issue only lead to FTBFS in ubuntu but not in Debian? What would happen if I pull the patch into Debian, would Debian the FTBFS?
[08:51] <geser> Rhonda: how far is Debian with multiarch compared to Ubuntu? I know there is also work ongoing in Debian but I didn't follow it closely.
[08:53] <tumbleweed> geser: dpkg doesn't support it yet, and less libraries have been converted. But there are conversions happening
[08:57] <Rhonda> Ah, then I take it Ubuntu aims to have multiarch support complete for oneiric, and thus has more pressure on the thing.
[08:58] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: yeah, oneiric can run flash and skype without ia32-libs, already
[09:16] <Rhonda> tumbleweed: actually, the benefit of that non-free reasoning eludes me :)
[09:18] <tumbleweed> Rhonda: the simple benefit is that ia32libs is a monstrosity and should die :)
[09:18] <Rhonda> that I can accept ;)
[09:41] <cjwatson> Rhonda: there are plenty of free lines of reasoning for multiarch (e.g. has the potential to greatly simplify cross-compiling), but they don't provide the same kind of pressure and landmarks and such
[09:47] <Rhonda> I understand, but having html5 and mumble, using flash and skype as reasoning for getting multiarch done only gives me a reason to yawn. Sorry for being ignorant in that respect. :)
[09:48] <Rhonda> Though, granted, mumble requires a dedicated server. I really would like to have voice calls/conferences based on XMPP to lift off.
[10:12] <cjwatson> the point isn't what we use, it's what our users use ...
[10:12] <cjwatson> and making the support for non-free software be less of an imposition on free software developers' time is a good argument I think
[10:13] <cjwatson> ia32-libs really is a nightmare ...
[10:31] <Rhonda> "it sounded like a good idea at that time"
[10:31] <Rhonda> *runsandhides*
[13:07] <hrw> can someone help me with this dput error? http://paste.ubuntu.com/697245/ ppa upload
[13:08] <hrw> worked earlier today
[13:11] <hrw> nevermind - ppa started builds
[13:11] <Rhonda> ignore it, it's common
[13:41] <Rhonda> Hmm. What would people think if I ask for a FFe for gitolite? Useful? Not so?
[13:42] <Laney> what's new?
[13:43] <Rhonda> "hooklets" allow you to have any number of site-local 'update hook' scripts play nicely with gitolite, the "include" statement can now use globs -- makes some types of setups sooooo easy!, but most of all: self-service key management
[13:51] <Laney> sounds like it would be nice to have, indeed
[13:51] <Laney> backporting is also an option and should be easy as there are no rdeps
[14:01] <micahg> geser: DMB meeting?
[14:13] <Rhonda> Laney: Of course actually I should finally do a backport to lucid.
[14:13] <Rhonda> But, past experience with backports doesn't convince me that I want to go through it for oneiric if I can do it through a FFe beforehand. ;)
[14:15] <Laney> well, I can approve them if not make the upload happen
[15:35] <geser> micahg: today 19 UTC, right? I'm sure I can make it today (some servers at work need to get hooked up on a UPS)
[15:36] <micahg> geser: no, was 14:00
[15:38] <geser> micahg: oh, I can't make the early meeting anyways as I can't predict if (and how much time) I can spare at work
[15:39] <micahg> geser: ah, ok
[16:13] <micahg> mdeslaur: there seems to be an issue with the last flashplugin-nonfree upload, could you take a look, bug 859225
[16:17] <mdeslaur> micahg: argh, stupid mess...
[16:25] <micahg> mdeslaur: yeah, but I'm talking about the packaging :)
[16:25] <mdeslaur> /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so is not a valid NPAPI plugin
[16:25] <mdeslaur> I don't know how that could be
[16:26] <mdeslaur> ooooh, I get it
[16:26] <mdeslaur> ok, I'll upload a fix
[16:27] <micahg> mdeslaur: thanks
[17:23] <jtaylor> hm where should one direct people who open bugs to ask questions?
[17:25] <micahg> jtaylor: askubuntu.com?  convert to question works as well, the greasemonkey script has a canned response which refers to askubuntu.com
[17:32] <jtaylor> greasemonkey?
[17:33] <jtaylor> mh some firefox thing ._.
[17:34] <micahg> jtaylor: yeah, ppa:gm-dev-launchpad
[17:42] <jtaylor> ah there is a button on lp to convert